The economy is so bad... by piratenews

Is the economy really that bad? Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that:
90% of people are employed
93% of people are paying their mortgages on time
Real estate sales are up and increasing
Property values have stabilized and are coming back
GDP is up
Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable

I see mainly the Federal Govt.'s and some States' deficit and debt as the biggest problems. But we've experienced that before, and we've seen the economy come back time and again. Don't sell your comic books just yet.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:02 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

The economy is so bad that when I go to the local mall and I have to fight for a parking spot.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:09 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:

The economy is so bad, Verizon fired 36,000 employees, lost $653 million last quarter.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/26/news/companies/verizon_layoffs/

Verizon is finally pushing the fact that FIOS is now being installed in my neighborhood.
They been advertising special deals on the thing for, like, 2 years. And I remember, almost 2 years ago, they hung miles of new fibre-optic cable on my main street, and had a guy blocking traffic for 3 days in my alley, splicing the stuff. I called them and asked, repeatedly, when I could upgrade my phone and internet to FIOS, and was told,"It's coming soon to your neighborhood." So I went out with my Christmas bonus and signed up for the local CABLE phone, TV and Internet service. Not that a cable company is really a lot better, but they offered the service I want, available, at a beter prce.
Verizon was a day late and a dollar short. If they're going in the tank, it's because they got as dumb, greedy and lazy, not to mention monopolistic, as a lot of other big American companies, and they totally deserve what they get.

Other than that, nice collection of jokes...

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:14 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just to play devil's advocate, JS:

--90% of people are employed -- not necessarily. I believe unemployment figures don't count people who've given up looking for work as well as people who are working part-time, which isn't enough to sustain them. I think that's been well enough known to be almost a joke for a long time.

--93% of people are paying their mortgages on time -- that doesn't show how many are barely doing so, how many are using up their savings to do so, how hard or how many jobs people are having to work to stay above water; those figures might give a more accurate picture.

--Real estate sales are up and increasing -- how much of that is due to stimulus effects, such as the first-time-buyer thing and various subsidies? And given HOW low real estate sales have been, is "up" not a relative thing?

--Property values have stabilized and are coming back -- I'm not sure how much I trust that, but regardless: again, they've been SO low, partly because banks just gave up on foreclosed homes; if people are able to buy those foreclosed homes at a discount because of the economic mess, certainly that would bring "property values" up, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean things are stable.

--GDP is up. That's pretty recent, isn't it?

--Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable -- I'd need some cites on that to agree.

The biggest question really is, how much of all of this is due to the stimulus and other things which either might not be without them or might react negatively once there's no more stimulus.

I can tell you that in this city, in one of the richest counties in California, I have seen more long-existing businesses fold than in the 30+ years we've lived here, and another high number of businesses move into lower-cost locations. It's unprecedented, and it's not just California.

I'm afraid I don't see the rosy picture you seem to, and think we have a long ways to go for things to start looking as good as what you see.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Just to play devil's advocate, JS:

--90% of people are employed -- not necessarily. I believe unemployment figures don't count people who've given up looking for work as well as people who are working part-time, which isn't enough to sustain them. I think that's been well enough known to be almost a joke for a long time.

--93% of people are paying their mortgages on time -- that doesn't show how many are barely doing so, how many are using up their savings to do so, how hard or how many jobs people are having to work to stay above water; those figures might give a more accurate picture.

--Real estate sales are up and increasing -- how much of that is due to stimulus effects, such as the first-time-buyer thing and various subsidies? And given HOW low real estate sales have been, is "up" not a relative thing?

--Property values have stabilized and are coming back -- I'm not sure how much I trust that, but regardless: again, they've been SO low, partly because banks just gave up on foreclosed homes; if people are able to buy those foreclosed homes at a discount because of the economic mess, certainly that would bring "property values" up, wouldn't it? Doesn't mean things are stable.

--GDP is up. That's pretty recent, isn't it?

--Most economic sectors' securities are up or stable -- I'd need some cites on that to agree.

The biggest question really is, how much of all of this is due to the stimulus and other things which either might not be without them or might react negatively once there's no more stimulus.

I can tell you that in this city, in one of the richest counties in California, I have seen more long-existing businesses fold than in the 30+ years we've lived here, and another high number of businesses move into lower-cost locations. It's unprecedented, and it's not just California.

I'm afraid I don't see the rosy picture you seem to, and think we have a long ways to go for things to start looking as good as what you see.

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:56 AM

I agree with the devil's advocate on this one. :) Good points.

Hershey Candy is doing quite well though, but is that because the economy is improving or are depressed unemployed or underemployed people eating more comfort food? I guess it also helps when you raise your prices.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hershey-4Q-profit-climbs-apf-816677910.h
tml?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:17 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:23 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

And you give me shit 'cause I find christians and conservatives to be utterly worthless...

Oh, wait - you're both, aren't you?

Guess that proves my point!

Or is it only wrong if *I* lump people together?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:27 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Nice try Kwick... but Im neither.

But no. I dont give you shit for lumping people together. People here give ME shit for doing that... you know...

I give YOU shit for your, and YOURS ALONE beliefs...

B/c the true test of liberty is when a singular belief can be tested without bearing on the people at large.

I know that idea has flown over the heads of a lot of people here. No offense.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:43 PM

Well, let's see, Wulfie -

You DON'T lump people together? Really? You give ME shit for my beliefs, and my beliefs alone? Really?

So I'm an old hippie (okay, not THAT old). You assume I don't have a job and live in my mom's basement. Or at least that's the group you'd lump me into.

Truth be told, I haven't been without a job since I was 13. And I was working full-time and sneaking into and out of high school to do it when I was 16. And I was working THREE jobs when I was 20 (one 8-5 M-F, one 6-midnight M-F, and then I'd do double shifts on Saturday and Sunday at a restaurant). Now, almost 30 years later, I'm down to only one job, about 50 hours a week.

And sorry to disappoint, but I bathe every day. Sometimes twice a day, since it can be a sweaty job (once in the morning, once when I get home). And I can't tolerate patchouli oil.

And I've been on my own since I was 16, too. No basement living for me, sorry.

I'm sure none of that will shatter your illusions of hippies. Neither will their anti-authority stances, which you sometimes claim to share.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

.... damn I really hate hippies. I mean, I have like 5 other threads where Im making good points, being fair, treating people well... and I just have, HAVE to make a crack at hippies...

*Sigh

Oh well.

Normally I try to treat people fairly and not prejudge them because that is the way I like to be treated. But, I have identified myself as being a hippie on this list, so I am going to take this hatred of yours personally this time.

I would argue that you tend to lump people together into categories without understanding the intricacies involved, but others better than I have tried to make that point and obviously it has not made a bit of difference.

So I just have, HAVE to make a crack and say, "I think you have a little problem with your brain being missing."

You seem to go out of your way to set yourself up for this.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:00 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:38 PM

By the way, the economy's so bad that I got up today and went to work, same as I've been doing for the last 35 years... Heck, I even worked all through the horrible Carter years. And then through the early years of Reagan, which were even worse.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:43 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that: 90% of people are employed

Unemployment is over 30% on average, 80% in some US cities like Detroit.

Funny how They don't count most folk... and let foreign robots "count" their votes.

Funny how 50-million illegal aliens stole 10-million jobs.

Figures lie and liars figure. Ask Al Gore.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:52 PM

CHRISISALL

It's the "even-ing out" that we see happening.
Unemployment going away, but less hours & less pay.
Welcome to the future. Secure and financially restrained.
The "American way of life" is forever changed.
But flat screen HD TV's are affordable.
Good w/the badisall.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:54 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

The economy is so bad that when I go to the local mall and I have to fight for a parking spot.

Funny how malls in TN are ghost towns, owned by mafia mobsters, according to newspaper cover stories, where our sheriff confessed to stealing cars with a convicted copkiller, and girls are stalked and murdered because there's no security cameras. The reporter who wrote that cover story wound up swimmin with the fishes, in winter...

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:01 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Real estate sales are up and increasing. Property values have stabilized and are coming back. GDP is up.

At my father-in-law's murder/funeral last week, his friend told us his 35-acre home on the lake is valued at $1.5-million, but nobody will buy it for $750,000. He has no job because there's no construction business. He can't pay his mortgage because he's spending $2,500 co-pay every visit to the doctor for his wife's chemo, but bank won't foreclose because the property is so far upside down.

My mom's house is paid for, but her doctors and her husband's doctors will try to steal it, as co-payment for murdering him, and for her parkinson's caused by side effect to other meds.

A security system salegirl told me she closed on her mortgage this week. Bank demanded mortgage insurance even with 20% down, because in 12 months they will be upside down, and bank can instantly foreclose despite never missing a payment.

All is Hell.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:05 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

But flat screen HD TV's are affordable.

My mom's HDTV is now on sale for $2,500. Not counting her DishNetwork, VHS, DVD, BluRay.

The economy is so bad, Arnold the Nazi Governator pays Cali employees with IOUs, refuses to pay Unemployment Insurance benefits, and declared that HDTVs are illegal, and only criminals own HDTVs.*

The economy is so bad, Senator Scott Brown is a male stripper, and pimps out his stripper wife.
www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&aq=1&oq=scott+brown+cos
mo&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=scott+brown+cosmo+1982

US Senator Scott Brown, "America's Sexiest Manho"

*He's a homosexual male stripper, just like Senator Scott Brown.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:16 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

The economy is so bad, Ghouliani's NYC Kosher Nostra hijacked AMA Sportbike racin, banned the factory teams, and Harley put Buell out of business, took the money and ran. Pro athletes are now unemployed in USA. It's the end of motorcycle racin as we know it.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100108-92-interview.htm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jan/100129llinterview.htm
http://www.theriderfiles.com/?p=1225

The economy is so bad, last week Tony George got fired from the board of directors by his family at Indy 500 Speedway Corp, with IRL CEO replaced by BULL RIDING (no bull). This week Tony fired his family and closed his own Indy 500 racin team.
http://www.visionracing.com/news/index.cfm?cid=24942
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=39183

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:18 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

It's a war out there. Nuttin personal, jus bizniss.

But it is a fight to the death.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:22 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

The economy is so bad....

Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer.

hehehehe

The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale? She's now living with my crippled mom, tryin to steal her estate (before the doctors steal it).

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:37 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

I think you completely misread what I said. Com-pletely. But, whatever, the most important question for you Littlebird is do you want your voice to be heard?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Depends on whose doing the reporting I suppose, but it's a fact that: 90% of people are employed

Unemployment is over 30% on average, 80% in some US cities like Detroit.

Funny how They don't count most folk... and let foreign robots "count" their votes.

Funny how 50-million illegal aliens stole 10-million jobs.

Figures lie and liars figure. Ask Al Gore.

So with all those figures you just included, you're saying you're lying?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 3:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

'Bird, don't let it get to ya. A goodly chunk of what goes on here is tit-for-tat, and some of it's even good-natured ribbing amongst what passes for "old friends" who've been doing this with (or at) each other for years. A lot of it's like old couples bickering - they seem nasty and testy, but it's done with real care. :)

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:02 PM

Wow, PN, you sure do seem to love the "homosexual male strippers". Something you need to tell us?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

I think you completely misread what I said. Com-pletely. But, whatever, the most important question for you Littlebird is do you want your voice to be heard?

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I'm sorry if I misread what you said. All the conversations and opinions whizzing by at the speed of light boggles my mind some days. I'll take a little break and continue chirping when I get a grip.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming now.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

'Bird, don't let it get to ya. A goodly chunk of what goes on here is tit-for-tat, and some of it's even good-natured ribbing amongst what passes for "old friends" who've been doing this with (or at) each other for years. A lot of it's like old couples bickering - they seem nasty and testy, but it's done with real care. :)

Thank's Kwicko. Noted.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:10 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Ya, it's comparatively polite, in respect to.. erm, what happens to hateful intolerant bigoted types who start advocating wholesale genocide as a good idea...

Be glad you missed it.

-F

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:43 PM

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Please - if you like Firefly, read The Walking Dead. I'm serious, it has many of the same Firefly traits, like quality! Just try it.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:45 PM

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird:
I'm sorry if I misread what you said. All the conversations and opinions whizzing by at the speed of light boggles my mind some days. I'll take a little break and continue chirping when I get a grip.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming now.

Speed of light? DT?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:47 PM

Ah.. some days it just does not pay to even get out of bed. No, not DT.

Are you talking about the Walking Dead books by Robert Kirkman?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:20 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

A bit of Math for everyone

http://www.cli.gs/MathematicsOfRule

The Mathematics of Rule

A mathematical proof of the relationship between productive activity and survival of society is derived. This is the most basic law of economics and civilization, which is suppressed and strategically denied by the economics "profession" worldwide, in a futile attempt to obscure the truth and defraud mankind of any possibility of freedom or survival.

Check it out, it is fun

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 2:34 AM

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Originally posted by Littlebird:
Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Jongs - optimistic? Are you nuts?! You gotta give people something that they can bitch and moan about. This is why The Jongsie Evening News would be last in ratings, while WulfTV would run away with first.

I think I am about done with RWED. I am to frakin' sensitive. not a good match. I was standing up to some pretty virulent hatred and then the implication of bitching and moaning.

Also, optimism is good and it's good to hope. I just don't happen to agree that the economy is getting better. I'm plenty optimistic in other areas.

That is all.

The RWED has evolved much in recent times. It is actually much better now in terms of civility and content. You may not be able to see that, being relatively new here, but it is. For one thing, there are far far less participants here every day, so your words have greater meaning now than in the past. Sometimes folks here will just ignore you, sometimes agree, and sometimes challenge what you write. The degree of nastiness and ideological blindness has lessened. If you want to get something out of this forum you have to be able to give AND take. I came on board a few years ago as a pure 100% ideologue. So did others. Some have dropped out because they could not handle other's opinions or criticism, and some have stuck with it. Why, you may ask? I've asked that myself many times over the years, especially at times when I perhaps was raked over the coals, insulted, mocked, scoffed, and be-bopped. I stay and persevere because it's fun and informative. There are very few avenues of communication out there where Conservatives AND Liberals can engage each other directly. Usually, other sites are geared towards one or the other, and the blogs just reflect the unity of the group's common beliefs. Pretty boring if you ask me. Here, everything is discussed and debated. I like that. People that have endured here and that have my respect are people that are not afraid to occasionally admit that they may have been wrong about something.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Real estate sales are up and increasing. Property values have stabilized and are coming back. GDP is up.

At my father-in-law's murder/funeral last week, his friend told us his 35-acre home on the lake is valued at $1.5-million, but nobody will buy it for $750,000. He has no job because there's no construction business. He can't pay his mortgage because he's spending $2,500 co-pay every visit to the doctor for his wife's chemo, but bank won't foreclose because the property is so far upside down.

My mom's house is paid for, but her doctors and her husband's doctors will try to steal it, as co-payment for murdering him, and for her parkinson's caused by side effect to other meds.

A security system salegirl told me she closed on her mortgage this week. Bank demanded mortgage insurance even with 20% down, because in 12 months they will be upside down, and bank can instantly foreclose despite never missing a payment.

All is Hell.

Lots of sad stories out there, but I suspect there are usually more details to these stories than are ever revealed. No doubt things will get better, they always do. In the meantime, you take positive action to deal with the realities in your life. Ultimately, no one can help you except yourself. The sooner you realize that the better. Hate-mongering, fear-mongering, and blind ideology accomplish nothing. Our country is not perfect, but it's the only one we got.

Hey PN, how 'bout using your talent, ability, and time for positive things? A person like you, with seemingly endless resources and a strong desire to promulgate news, should be helping and educating people. Instead you relish and spread the fear and the hate and the lies. Everything you do adds up to a big nothing. It's not that hard to adapt a new approach. Try it, you may be pleasantly surprised that you can indeed make a difference in peoples' lives for the better.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:52 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

I appreciate your agreement here, and on a few other things recently as well.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:04 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

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Ah.. some days it just does not pay to even get out of bed. No, not DT.

Are you talking about the Walking Dead books by Robert Kirkman?

Yes, those books - though I inadvertently posted that here - too many browser windows open!

I agree with what Jongs and others have said. You have a different voice, it's great to have it added to the mix.
Personally, I'd much prefer to talk to people face to face, that's a medium I'm much more comfortable with. Posting? Text? It's a continuous experiment with the temptation always to stop. But this is such a unique form that I keep getting pulled back, partly to show support for the show and partly to show support for the site/members who post and some of it for simple self expression.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:25 AM

www.slingshottshirts.com/SerenityFirefly-T-Shirts.aspx

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid."
-Ted Turner, founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, Bilderberg Secret Society
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:46 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm a Conservative, no fan of Obama and Dems, but I try to be fair most of the time. I wrote the post with an optimistic point of view, desiring not to bash Obama as so many of my Conservative brethren do every day. Sure numbers can be manipulated, but the numbers I listed are out there. These days I'd think Dems might be looking for optimism in respect to their results.

Well, if Jongs is stupid on this one...

... Then I'm with Stupid!

In other words, I agree 100%.

Sure, things aren't great. I think we've seen the worst, though. Call it "hope". I think I heard that word somewhere around here, 'bout a year or so ago.

I do get the feeling that we're turning a corner. I'd like to see more happen, faster, but what can ya do?

I appreciate your agreement here, and on a few other things recently as well.

Oh, it's not a problem at all, Jongs. We've had our differences, but they've almost always been along party lines. As you say, you came here as a bit of an idealogue, and I did the same, but from the other end of the spectrum.

And it only took two disastrous presidencies to bring us nearer to the middle! :)

You became disenchanted and disillusioned by Bush, and I've become the same over Obama. Maybe history will be kinder to Bush in time, and maybe Obama can pull his head out in time to avoid a complete muck-up of the job. Meanwhile, we soldier on, and we'll bicker here and there, but at the end of the day, we'll still be wearing the same color coat as always. At least, I hope so. My coat is brown; I assume yours is as well. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

GINO: RE EQN- WOW.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:20 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale?

All she's gotta do now is change her name to KingEcholtz.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:

The economy is so bad, my sister the Commie yippie quit her teaching job in Bejing Commie China, quit her lawyer job in USA, sold her car, sold her TV, cancelled her internet, and became a law professor paid $6,000 a year, if she can get full-time work. How's that for a $200,000 degree from Yale?

All she's gotta do now is change her name to KingEcholtz.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:51 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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are depressed unemployed or underemployed people eating more comfort food?

Bingo, Little. Same reason precisely that movies make more money during depressions—people seek comfort, escape, whatever little things they can find to make them feel better. And of course we know chocolate raises our serotonin levil…

Sigh, Wulf, there you go again. Got news for you:

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Hippies are taking a bath and looking for a job... cus their parents can't afford to keep them in the basement any longer

It’s the exigencies of YUPPIES who put us in the state we’re in—-you know, the generations who followed hippies? HIPPIES are in their fifties and sixties, they got out long ago and are now supporting THEIR kids; your hatred is a few decades behind the times. The youngsters today living with their parents are a reflection of a society where “making it” is harder and harder…and by the way, that’s been going on all over the world for ages, long before us, we’re just coming into it late because we were a rich nation for longer. It has been expected that young people would live with their parents longer in England, and other places. At LEAST leave off the hippies unless you can rage against them with a tiny bit of reality.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:52 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Chris, I agree with part of what you said; Currently, yes; unemployment going away, but less hours & less pay. I don’t think it necessarily reflects a future that’s secure and financially restrained. I agree, however, that the "American way of life" is forever changed. I, too, have a bit of hope left still, and am turning that hope to the possibility that we are turning, if we haven’t yet quite turned, the corner. Time only will tell.

Yes, Little, it can get ugly down here, and if it’s not good for you, you need to take care of YOU first. At the same time, by now you must have seen that the majority of people in RWED are bright people who are willing to debate honestly; those who have no argument so just throw stones, or are so defensive of their argument that they can only hurl personal vitriol, are in the minority, and the rest put them in their place fairly regularly. No place is 100% safe, and unless you want to do nothing but “play”, the only place to find honest discussions about our world and to learn and grow are places like this. We do our best to protect you, and believe me, there is FAR worse out there! I came from one of those worse places, and this is like a love fest in comparison. Only you can decide what’s worth it for you. For me, it’s an absolute joy to be here and find so many intelligent, KNOWLEDGEABLE people who see past the fantasies and narrow-minded propaganda out there.

I certainly understand what you mean about zipping by, sometimes it makes my head spin! Mostly it makes it so I have to write these long, rambling posts in order to catch up—the next time I come here, do it again! I hate writing so long, believe it or not, because I know how hard it is for ME to read long posts, but I don’t know how to do otherwise if I want to stay up with the discussions! It’s more than worth it, to me; you have to decide for you. But personally I think you being here improves the place; every voice of sense, compassion and curiosity enhances the rest of us.

I would also add: “Everything JS said about this forum”

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:52 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

On the other hand, JS:

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Hey PN, how 'bout using your talent, ability, and time for positive things?

As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:19 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"As IF! Some people thrive on ugliness and live for their anger; just suggesting someone like that change has GOT to make the ice tea come out of my nose (and it did—now YOU owe ME a keyboard!)"

How very liberal and democratic of you.

No really.

You guys prove how full of go-se so called liberals elitists really are.

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:35 AM