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full of maybes what ifs and rabbit holes. I hope you do not think your response warrants an explanatory response from me; because I don’t.

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You're blowing all kinds of shit about business failures and price increases, and you didn't even bother to see if that was really happening?

IT'S NOT.

See my post, above, with actual... yanno ... FACTS.
So you'll forgive me for not taking you seriously.

There's nothing wrong with tariffs theoretically, and SO FAR they haven't had any negative effects. Only time will tell.

So let's move on from here bc aside from your point that tariffs are illegal (most probably true), you don't have any other arguments.

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The overall requested average rate increase for 2026 Indiana individual Marketplace plans is 20.5%. This increase is due to the assumptions that Congress will not continue enhanced premium subsidies available to Hoosiers under the American Rescue Plan Act and the Inflation Reduction Act. The IDOI will finalize the review of the 2026 ACA compliant filings by August 15, 2025, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) will issue the ultimate approval on or before September 17, 2025.

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Well, I was right about health care costs going up. And that's just health care.

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When you make stupid statements like "Trump is destroying EVERYTHING he touches" all anyone has to do is prove one thing NOT destroyed to prove you wrong, silly.

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You don't bring any facts, ever.

Everything you ever posts ends up not being true and exposed for the lie it was.

That is the ONLY fact here.
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When you make stupid statements like "Trump is destroying EVERYTHING he touches" all anyone has to do is prove one thing NOT destroyed to prove you wrong, silly.



THUGR:
Made in America’ Crushed—7 Shutdowns Signal Total Industrial Retreat
The U.S. manufacturing sector shrank for the fifth month in a row in July 2025. The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) reported a Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) of 48.0, down from 49.0 in June. A reading below 50 signals contraction, meaning production, orders, and employment are declining.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/made-in-america-crushed-7-shut
downs-signal-total-industrial-retreat/ar-AA1NG2I1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDBBAN&cvid=68ddddacfa15435b99bb79aef62a9079&ei=14


You've said that before. I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong.

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You don't bring any facts, ever.

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Fucking Jack, you can see him doing a NAZI salute in his Avatar.

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When you make stupid statements like "Trump is destroying EVERYTHING he touches" all anyone has to do is prove one thing NOT destroyed to prove you wrong, silly.

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Made in America’ Crushed—7 Shutdowns Signal Total Industrial Retreat
The U.S. manufacturing sector shrank for the fifth month in a row in July 2025. The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) reported a Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) of 48.0, down from 49.0 in June. A reading below 50 signals contraction, meaning production, orders, and employment are declining.
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You've said that before. I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong.

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Has he destroyed... oh, say ... Somalia?
No?
Well, that's ONE thing he hasn't destroyed!
/snark

Has he destroyed the southern border?
Nope! That was Biden*

Has he destroyed equal opportunity?
Nope!
That was Biden* too.

Did he defund the police? Destroy policing in the USA?
Nope!
Also Biden*!


When you think in big bold letters, making Universal Statements and ignoring facts, you make Big Errors.

But don't feel bad, you're not the only one who does that.

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Many times it is how Trump goes about things like immigration that is the problem. He definitely is fucking that up. And most Americans think so. And this list you've posted here is pure shit.

I see you're sourcing zerohedge again. It means your source is shit. Therefore, your post is shit. Lies and bullshit are all it is.

The ACA is always getting slammed by you guys. It added 20 million people to the ranks of the insured. Here’s the point that shows how full of shit you are. The republicans voted more than 50 times to repeal it. Each time they promised to introduce a much better plan. That bullshit started how many years ago? I’ll tell you. It was March of 2010 when the Affordable Care Act was first introduced.

So comrade, where is their beautiful new and better bill? The one they've been promising since 2010? You're so full of shit. And so’s your post. Trump said it again. During his campaign he would first, create a bigger and better plan before he fucked with health care.

Never ever do you call the republicans and Trump out on that. And they've done it more than 50 times.

Oh yeah China. This all happened before when Trump was president. He had to bail out the farmers. And the moron still did it again. And you didn't see it coming? Worse yet, this time the soy market is not coming back; it's gone. Trump made a huge mistake, a huge mistake.

Your bullshit agenda is transparent comrade.

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You don't bring any facts, ever.

Everything you ever posts ends up not being true and exposed for the lie it was.

That is the ONLY fact here.
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When you make stupid statements like "Trump is destroying EVERYTHING he touches" all anyone has to do is prove one thing NOT destroyed to prove you wrong, silly.

THUGR:
Made in America’ Crushed—7 Shutdowns Signal Total Industrial Retreat
The U.S. manufacturing sector shrank for the fifth month in a row in July 2025. The Institute for Supply Management (ISM) reported a Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) of 48.0, down from 49.0 in June. A reading below 50 signals contraction, meaning production, orders, and employment are declining.
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Has he destroyed... oh, say ... Somalia?
No?
Well, that's ONE thing he hasn't destroyed!
/snark
Has he destroyed the southern border?
Nope! That was Biden*
Has he destroyed equal opportunity?
Nope!
That was Biden* too.
Did he defund the police? Destroy policing in the USA?
Nope!
Also Biden*!
When you think in big bold letters, making Universal Statements and ignoring facts, you make Big Errors.
But don't feel bad, you're not the only one who does that.

THUGR:
Many times it is how Trump goes about things like immigration that is the problem. He definitely is fucking that up. And most Americans think so. And this list you've posted here is pure shit.

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I see you're sourcing zerohedge again. It means your source is shit. Therefore, your post is shit. Lies and bullshit are all it is.

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Health care is key for Democrats in shutdown fight. Here’s what to know.

The federal government shut down early Wednesday following an acrimonious deadlock in Congress over spending in which Democrats have sought to put a spotlight on health care subsidies and who is eligible to receive coverage.

... extension of subsidies [set to expire] for those with insurance through the ACA marketplace that have been in place since the pandemic.

... According to HealthCare.gov, U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals and lawfully present immigrants are eligible for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace.

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In United States law, “lawfully present” is a classification used to determine if a non-citizen is eligible for certain federal benefits. The term encompasses a wide range of immigration situations beyond just U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. This designation is primarily functional, created to allow federal agencies to administer benefits according to rules established by Congress.

Who Is Considered Lawfully Present
The category of lawfully present individuals is extensive. It includes U.S. citizens and U.S. nationals, who are persons born in American Samoa or Swain’s Island. Lawful Permanent Residents (LPRs), also known as Green Card holders, are considered lawfully present as they have permission to live and work in the U.S. on a permanent basis.

The definition also includes those with humanitarian protections. This group consists of individuals granted asylum, refugees admitted from abroad, and people granted parole into the United States for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit. Recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) are also included.

Many individuals with temporary, nonimmigrant status also meet the definition of lawfully present. This includes people with valid nonimmigrant visas, such as students on F-1 visas or workers on H-1B visas, who have not violated the terms of their admission. The definition also extends to individuals with pending applications for asylum or for adjustment of status to permanent residency while that application is being processed.

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Donald Trump’s Dangerous Tilt Towards War at Home and Abroad



Donald Trump’s speech yesterday at Quantico to the assembled General Officers of the US militaray was a tour de farce of narcissism (not a tour de force). His attempt to emulate the late George C. Scott in his iconic role in Patton was a bust because, instead of delivering a pithy, punchy message, Trump droned on for more than an hour repeating many of his standard lines — e.g., this war never would have started if I was President — but he did so with little enthusiasm. Definitely a low-energy moment.

Although the generals and admirals assembled sat in stony silence throughout his rambling address, none of them had the courage to stand up, walk out and resign in protest. It was a bad bobble head convention… And a lot of bald heads to boot. They are more interested in securing a lucrative retirement package than they are in refusing to obey an illegal order — i.e., bombing a civilian boat that was allegedly carrying drugs that had not fired on US ships or personnel.

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MORE AT https://sonar21.com/donald-trumps-dangerous-tilt-towards-war/

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I see you're sourcing zerohedge again. It means your source is shit. Therefore, your post is shit. Lies and bullshit are all it is.

The ACA is always getting slammed by you guys. It added 20 million people to the ranks of the insured. Here’s the point that shows how full of shit you are. The republicans voted more than 50 times to repeal it. Each time they promised to introduce a much better plan. That bullshit started how many years ago? I’ll tell you. It was March of 2010 when the Affordable Care Act was first introduced.

So comrade, where is their beautiful new and better bill? The one they've been promising since 2010? You're so full of shit. And so’s your post. Trump said it again. During his campaign he would first, create a bigger and better plan before he fucked with health care.

Never ever do you call the republicans and Trump out on that. And they've done it more than 50 times.

Oh yeah China. This all happened before when Trump was president. He had to bail out the farmers. And the moron did it again. And you didn't see it coming? Worse yet, this time the soy market is not coming back; it's gone. Trump made a huge mistake, a huge mistake.

Your bullshit agenda is transparent comrade.

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I spent way too much time going to MSM and other sources to answer your pretty pointless objection. IN DETAIL. WITH FACTS about the ACA in THIS budget impasse.

Since you didn't bother to respond, I'm not wasting any more time on your endless shell games.



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I see you're sourcing zerohedge again.

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I spent way too much time going to MSM and other sources to answer your pretty pointless objection. IN DETAIL. WITH FACTS about the ACA in THIS budget impasse.

Since you didn't bother to respond, I'm not wasting any more time on your endless shell games.

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You've posted this on the 2nd. After, after, I responded to your posts with 5 or 6 of my own. And if I don't respond with a direct quote, it's because I have no intention of reposting tons of your bullshit with each and every comment. Which is just another form of a rabbit hole. too funny...

Ok, six points about the posts you speak of. Trust me, there are more but I'll keep it simple for you.

Point 1; I respond when I get to it. And because I source most of what I post, I do not understand your MSNBC shit. What I posted about the ACA being under attack, you should know to be factual without being sourced. It’s its history, and what we’ve witnessed since its inception. I reminded you, the republicans voted to repeal it more than 50 times. I reminded you, the republicans vowed to replace it with something better each time, they didn't. I reminded you, Trump vowed to again in his latest campaign; he hasn't. I've asked you why you never mention that? Why you never have held them accountable?

Now, why would you try and source that with MSNBC? Everything else I’ve sourced. If you were honest, you'd admit you can't source anything that disputes what I've posted. And by your own admission in your quoted post here, you sure tried.

Point 2; Much of what you post are subjective rants that are unreadable; boring. And they go on forever. You sabotage the conversation when you do this. Your posts have zero fluidity. Like mine do, and in this case, does.

Point 3; You take a sentence, an incomplete perspective of what someone posts, and address that. You strip away the reasoning for the thought before you respond. This makes your responses deceptive. As a recipient of said posts, I know what you are doing right off. There is no reason for me to do anything but see what can be salvaged from your intended point; if anything, usually not. Hense, your frustration with me.

Point 4, Way too much of your perspective comes directly from Putin's playbook, or in this case the republicans. I already know it. Like the democrats wanting to give health insurance to illegals. Thats all you hear from them, nothing else. Google it and you’ll see it is illegal; simple, case closed. Therefore, it’s stupid, dishonest and a waste of my time reading any of that. So I did not.

Point 5; I’ve posted about the consequences of Trumps tariffs with evidence. You post about the thirties, or some other stupid happenings from long ago. You wasted tons of time trying to teach me about tariffs as if I didn’t know anything about them. Why, because you can’t make a case for them working as intended. So instead, you rant about what could be, not what is. We've been through this. Your deflections didn't work. You've had no success getting me to go down any of your bullshit rabbit holes. Another of your deflections. Again, a waste of my time.

Point 6; No response to my other posts at all; zero. There are five, maybe six back to back that are short, to the point, and unarguable that pertain to your responses. Which explains this post of yours. You saw them and are running away. I don’t blame you. I've told you countless times. I do not post from an ideology. I deal in facts, and no one can argue against facts.

Go home, run, back to your garden thread lass. And take Gilligan with you. He got out again.

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ICE Agents Dragged Naked Children Out of Homes in Chicago Raid: Neighbors

Several South Shore residents reported witnessing federal immigration agents forcibly removing unclothed children from apartments during the pre-dawn raid in Chicago.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-dragged-naked-children-out-homes-c
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Now now, don't respond to signym that way. She's still reeling from the spanking I've been giving her. Hey, I've got something that will cheer you up. A new god for you to worship. Yano, a god to replace Kirk.

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Talking about you, son. You've never once won an argument with anybody here.

I don't worship any gods. Mythic or Man. You wouldn't understand that because you would die without your cult.

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Hey again, can't wait to see you in your ICE uniform. Post pictures now ya hear.

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I already told you that I don't qualify for ICE. There are no height requirements, but it turns out you need a bachelor's degree.

Oh well. When I found out it wasn't a part time gig and you were signing up for 4 years of service as if you were in the military that was enough for me to not want to do it anyway.

Who knows? If you Democrats keep our government from doing it, we might just start doing it ourselves anyhow for free.



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I see you're sourcing zerohedge again.

SIGNY:
I spent way too much time going to MSM and other sources to answer your pretty pointless objection. IN DETAIL. WITH FACTS about the ACA in THIS budget impasse.
Since you didn't bother to respond, I'm not wasting any more time on your endless shell games.


THGR:
You've posted this on the 2nd. After, after, I responded to your posts with 5 or 6 of my own.

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Immigration Judge Rejects Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Asylum Bid


An immigration judge in Maryland on Oct. 1 rejected a motion filed by Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s attorneys to reopen his 2019 petition for asylum in the United States.

Abrego Garcia, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, was deported to his homeland in March by the Trump administration and was later returned to the United States under a Supreme Court order.

He had initially sought asylum in 2019 but was denied. Abrego Garcia’s attorneys petitioned the immigration court in August to reconsider his asylum case, citing concerns that he could be deported to Uganda.

In an Oct. 1 ruling, the immigration judge in Baltimore denied the request but gave Abrego Garcia 30 days to appeal the decision with the Board of Immigration Appeals.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) hailed the ruling in a social media post, saying that it affirms Abrego Garcia’s removal from the country.

“With today’s ruling, Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s final order of removal stands,” DHS stated. “His lawyers tried to fight his removal from the U.S. but one thing is certain, this Salvadoran man is not going to be able to remain in our country.”

The Epoch Times reached out to Abrego Garcia’s attorney for comment but did not receive a response by publication time.

Abrego Garcia, who illegally entered the United States in 2011 and stayed in Maryland, was accused of being a member of the foreign terrorist organization MS-13. He was deported to El Salvador alongside other deportees in March despite a 2019 immigration court order granting withholding of removal to his homeland due to safety concerns.

The Salvadoran national was returned to the United States in June under a Supreme Court order and held in custody on charges of immigrant smuggling, stemming from a 2022 traffic stop, to which he has pleaded not guilty.

The administration has indicated that Abrego Garcia could be deported to a third-party country, naming the African nation of Uganda as the possible destination.

Abrego Garcia’s attorneys argued that Abrego Garcia risked persecution or torture if sent to Uganda. ICE then changed the destination country to Eswatini, another African nation with which Abrego Garcia has no ties, according to an email shared by DHS last month.

“That claim of fear is hard to take seriously, especially given that you have claimed (through your attorneys) that you fear persecution or torture in at least 22 different countries,” ICE stated in its email.

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis ruled in August that Abrego Garcia must remain in the country until she holds a hearing on Oct. 6.

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I see you're sourcing zerohedge again.

SIGNY:
I spent way too much time going to MSM and other sources to answer your pretty pointless objection. IN DETAIL. WITH FACTS about the ACA in THIS budget impasse.
Since you didn't bother to respond, I'm not wasting any more time on your endless shell games.


THGR:
You've posted this on the 2nd. After, after, I responded to your posts with 5 or 6 of my own.

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And all of them evading the topic at hand: ACA and the Dem shutdown.

Are you for, or against, extending the temporary ACA tax credit?
Are you for, or against, illegals claiming asylum to get ACA tax credits?

Example of an illegal claiming asylum

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An immigration judge in Maryland on Oct. 1 rejected a motion filed by Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s attorneys to reopen his 2019 petition for asylum in the United States.

Abrego Garcia, an illegal immigrant from El Salvador, was deported to his homeland in March by the Trump administration and was later returned to the United States under a Supreme Court order.

He had initially sought asylum in 2019 but was denied. Abrego Garcia’s attorneys petitioned the immigration court in August to reconsider his asylum case, citing concerns that he could be deported to Uganda.

In an Oct. 1 ruling, the immigration judge in Baltimore denied the request but gave Abrego Garcia 30 days to appeal the decision with the Board of Immigration Appeals.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) hailed the ruling in a social media post, saying that it affirms Abrego Garcia’s removal from the country.

“With today’s ruling, Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s final order of removal stands,” DHS stated. “His lawyers tried to fight his removal from the U.S. but one thing is certain, this Salvadoran man is not going to be able to remain in our country.”

The Epoch Times reached out to Abrego Garcia’s attorney for comment but did not receive a response by publication time.

Abrego Garcia, who illegally entered the United States in 2011 and stayed in Maryland, was accused of being a member of the foreign terrorist organization MS-13. He was deported to El Salvador alongside other deportees in March despite a 2019 immigration court order granting withholding of removal to his homeland due to safety concerns.

The Salvadoran national was returned to the United States in June under a Supreme Court order and held in custody on charges of immigrant smuggling, stemming from a 2022 traffic stop, to which he has pleaded not guilty.

The administration has indicated that Abrego Garcia could be deported to a third-party country, naming the African nation of Uganda as the possible destination.

Abrego Garcia’s attorneys argued that Abrego Garcia risked persecution or torture if sent to Uganda. ICE then changed the destination country to Eswatini, another African nation with which Abrego Garcia has no ties, according to an email shared by DHS last month.

“That claim of fear is hard to take seriously, especially given that you have claimed (through your attorneys) that you fear persecution or torture in at least 22 different countries,” ICE stated in its email.

U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis ruled in August that Abrego Garcia must remain in the country until she holds a hearing on Oct. 6.

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FROM https://www.zerohedge.com/political/immigration-judge-rejects-kilmar-a
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ORIGINALLY FROM https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/immigration-judge-rejects-kilmar-abre
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full of maybes what ifs and rabbit holes. I hope you do not think your response warrants an explanatory response from me; because I don’t.

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You're blowing all kinds of shit about business failures and price increases, and you didn't even bother to see if that was really happening?

IT'S NOT.

See my post, above, with actual... yanno ... FACTS.
So you'll forgive me for not taking you seriously.

There's nothing wrong with tariffs theoretically, and SO FAR they haven't had any negative effects. Only time will tell.

So let's move on from here bc aside from your point that tariffs are illegal (most probably true), you don't have any other arguments.

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U.S. Cattle Inventory Smallest in 73 years
Feb 2024

USDA’s January and July Cattle Inventory reports, released toward the end of each respective month, provide the total inventory of beef cows, milk cows, bulls, replacement heifers, other steers and heifers, and the calf crop for the current year. With drought and high input costs compelling farmers to market a higher-than-normal percentage of female cattle, the most recent cattle inventory dropped to lows not seen in decades. This Market Intel will provide analysis of the Jan. 1 inventory, which will set the tone for cattle markets in 2024.

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New Surge in European Beef Prices – Rinderpest Hits Market

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Beef costs more than ever, but Canadians won't let that ruin barbecue season
Average cost of ground beef has jumped 25%, far outpacing inflation

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Global cattle prices have all continued their rise through Q2 with Northern Hemisphere countries continuing to stand out at record prices. Led by contractions in Europe (-5% YOY), New Zealand (-17% YOY) and the US (-5% YOY) beef production continued to decline into Q2. Total beef production declined in 1H, down 1% YOY.

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