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WOW: Jon Stewart CALLED IT

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I hope I've explained my POV on tariffs, and also expressed your concerns adequately.

Next topic?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You got my answer in the "legitimate concerns" thread.

This thread is not a legitimate discussion thread bc it presupposes a conclusion and is framed too divisively.

If you won't retitle this thread, I'll start a new one, OK?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I hope I've explained my POV on tariffs, and also expressed your concerns adequately.
Next topic?

THGR:

Yes, you explained your point clearly. It was void of the understanding that in the 1700 18 hundreds, it took 6 weeks to 2 months for a ship to come from Europe. Today it takes less than a week. The ships were the size of today's school buses and a cargo ship today carries 28 tons. And you ignore the constitution for your personal opinion.

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Just bc international trade is easier doesn't make it a GOOD thing.

Britain had a world-straddling empire and world-straddling trade that filled their nations coffers and made the British pound THE reserve currency for centuries.

But when war came and trade routes were cut, who came to Britain's rescue?

Us

And what made Anerica strong?

Native production.

We are blessed with two oceans and abundant resources, and if we want to be strong we need to be as economically independent and self sufficient as possible, like we were then.

Right now, the beneficiaries of free trade are the American consumer in the short term and transnational corporations. But when foreign nations stop accepting our dollars (and they will), and trade slows down, we'll experience the full brunt of a hollowed-out economy. IMHO better a little pain now than a lot of pain later.

I think reindustrializing is a laudable goal, don't you?
Why don't we hash that out before tariffs, bc if you don't think the goal is achievable or worthwhile then tariffs are, in your view, entirely counterproductive.

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I thought this was your thread signym when I agreed to come here. Nope, it's Gilligan's. This discussion belongs in my "Trump destroys everything he touches." thread. So, put the next post, topic on the list, you want me to respond to there.


SIGNY:
YOUR thread is pejoratively titled. It assumes a conclusion ("Trump is destroying everything") before there's even a discussion.

While I think Trump is fucking up quite a few things, he's not fucking up EVERYTHING. Border control, for instance. In an act of deliberate anti-American sabotage, Biden* DELIBERATELY opened the gates. It wasn't a case of ineptitude. He* even assigned a fall guy (gal) "border czar", Kamala Harris, to catch the flak for the inevitable angry backlash. IMHO a nation being able to control its borders is a GOOD thing. Isn't it?

Ending DEI is another good thing. DEI and the coddling of grievance groups like BLM and ANTIFA and LGBTQ+, extreme wokeness, "snowflakes" and "safe spaces", the reparations movement ("give me free money bc I'm black") are incredibly divisive and anti -American. (And funded by Soros, BTW.) We should be refocusing instead on equality of education, equality of opportunity, and equality under the law. Something we all should be able to be proud of, altho I know many blacks will continue to carry a grudge for slavery and past prejudice.

Ending "defund the police" that arose from the "mostly peaceful" riots is also a good thing. Isn't it?

I can point to a lot of things that make me tear my hair out, and I intend to. But Trump has done some GOOD things, and if Dems want to start winning elections their candidates should stop fighting Trump on those issues and get behind them.

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I think reindustrializing is a laudable goal, don't you?
Why don't we hash that out before tariffs, bc if you don't think the goal is achievable or worthwhile then tariffs are, in your view, entirely counterproductive.

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I think reindustrializing is a laudable goal, don't you?
Why don't we hash that out before tariffs, bc if you don't think the goal is achievable or worthwhile then tariffs are, in your view, entirely counterproductive.

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THGR:
I am not against having more manufacturing. We need it. Look what happened during COVID. I think the South lost the civil war because for the most part, they couldn’t make a canon.

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Tariffs are for dealing with countries that need tariffs to be placed on them. Trump tariffed the world, and I think it’s sad you can’t differentiate between those two perspectives.

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And again, Congress, according to the constitution is responsible for tariffs except in individual circumstances. You keep ignoring that Trump is breaking the law by what he is doing. Your posts are nonsensical. Tariffs don’t belong in a conversation about bringing manufacturing home.

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It’s not about tariffs. It’s about finding ways to bring more manufacturing home that we can sustain. Remember, we live in a society that barters with each other.

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The best product sold at the cheapest price wins. We could do everything here but if wages make it too expensive to sell then what's the point?

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And let's not get started on how his tariffs are destroying agriculture here. And how it is a tax on everybody?

Another inescapable fact. Trumps’ economy hasn't completely collapsed sooner because he inherited a very strong economy. That collapse has started, and it is going to continue.

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Holiday spending by Gen Z expected to drop 23% this year, according to PwC survey

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/holiday-spending-by-gen-z-expecte
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The headline speaks for itself.

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