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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I think Trump was told that there was an imminent attack planned, and that it would be like another Benghazi or another Iranian hostage crisis and that he'd get the blame. And then he was told he could prevent it by killing this guy.

Who told him that?

That was the deep state once again faking "intelligence" to stampede Trump. Like the (false) pictures of dead ducks and sick children in Salisbury (Skripal event) which never happened, which caused Trump to expel a bunch of Russian diplomats, or the "gas attack" in Douma (revealed as staged by internal OPCW documents leaked by whistleblowers) which caused Trump to launch missiles on Syria.

Don't pretend that the deep state and neocon Repubs AND Dems haven't been jonesing for war ever since Trump was elected. They have been hounding Trump as "Putin's puppet" ever since then.

The thing that pisses me off is that this is the THIRD time that Trump would have been fooled. Doesn't he know by now that the deep state and the warhawks are looking for any excuse to plant their knives in his back, above and beyond concocting the Russiagate and Ukrainegate hoaxes?

C'mon Mr Trump, you can't afford to be THAT brain-dead about foreign affairs, if only for your own political survival!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
PNAC: Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative think tank which advocated total world dominance by the USA military. GWB appointed quite a number of PNAC signatories.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

"Javanka": The combined influence of Jared and Ivanka Kushner. Jared is an avid pro-Zionist. It seems to me that, for him, Israel's interests come to mind first, before the USA's.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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“Bottom line for journalists: Always monitor the pizzas.”

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Trump wanted to nuke Iran in his first term.

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Trump Knew of Israel’s Planned Attack on Iran All Along
Edith Olmsted
Fri, June 13, 2025 at 6:45 AM PDT


Israeli officials say that their country’s deadly military strike on Iran was rubber-stamped by Donald Trump, despite his claims to have had nothing to do with it.

Just hours before Israel’s massive operation Thursday targeting Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, military officials, and nuclear scientists, Trump claimed he was against an attack because it would “blow” ongoing diplomatic talks, which were set to continue this weekend.

Two Israeli officials told Axios, however, that Trump was lying and the president had only pretended to publicly oppose Israel’s military operation to “eliminate” ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, which was reportedly eight months in the making.

“We had a clear U.S. green light,” one Israeli official told Axios.

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In a phone call with Netanyahu Monday, Trump reportedly urged the Israeli prime minister to stop chatter about a potential strike on Iran. But Israeli officials told Axios that the call had really been about coordination ahead of the attack, and Netanyahu’s aides had lied to reporters.

The New York Times reported in April that Israel, which is not a participant in the ongoing nuclear talks, had made plans to attack Iranian nuclear sites that were waved off by Trump, who wanted to continue negotiating with Tehran. The White House made it clear, at least publicly, that if Israel wanted to strike it would do so alone.

On Wednesday, some U.S. personnel were evacuated from the region, including from Baghdad and Bahrain, citing security concerns. When asked what Israeli officials had told him that prompted the evacuations, Trump said, “They didn’t tell me anything, but I said look, there’s a chance of massive conflict.”

For a guy who says he had nothing to do with the attack, Trump has been quick to use the strike as leverage.

“Iran should have listened to me when I said—you know I gave them, I don’t know if you know but I gave them a 60-day warning and today is day 61. They should now come to the table to make a deal before it’s too late. It will be too late for them,” the president told CNN.

He also said that the strike had killed some of the people who’d been part of nuclear talks. “You know the people I was dealing with are dead, the hard-liners,” Trump added. Iran’s top negotiator in the nuclear talks, Ali Shamkhani, has been confirmed dead.

When asked by The Wall Street Journal Friday what kind of heads-up Israel had given the U.S. about the impending strike, Trump replied, “Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.”

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA

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The Zionists are Crying, “Uncle Sam”

14 June 2025 by Larry C. Johnson 414 Comments

Israel’s initial euphoria over its Friday morning strikes on Iranian targets is fading as Israeli inhabitants get a taste of their own medicine. Israel’s much touted Iron Dome is a total bust. I have posted a couple of videos below that show the Iranian missiles arriving unimpeded.

In his latest video, BORZZIKMAN reports that the Iranian strike yesterday on the IDF version of the Pentagon destroyed a THAAD air defense system that was deployed to “protect” the building.



Pepe Escobar was interviewed earlier today by Nima and provided some important news from his impeccable Russian sources. Israel, with help from the West, hit Iran with a cyberattack early Friday morning (Tehran time) that disabled Iran’s air-defense system. Israel and the West anticipated this would disable Iran’s ability to track and attack inbound missiles for several days. According to Pepe, Iranian technicians got the system up and running in 10 hours.

The Potemkin Village propaganda generated by Israel and spread by Western media is coming apart at the seams. While many in the West still believe that Israel has struck a fatal blow on Iran and that Iran is just days away from a collapse, the Iranian missile force is alive and well and bombing the shit out of Israel. I suspect that Iran is employing Houthi tactics with their ballistic missiles that are fired from mobile launchers — i.e., instead of relying on fixed sites, Iran is deploying its missiles around the country on mobile launchers, which are virtually impossible to detect and destroy in a timely manner. As I write this, Iran reportedly has launched an eighth-wave of missiles. Iran is going to engage Israel in a tit-for-tat battle until Israel ceases its attacks on Iran.

The following report from AXIOS is indicative of Israeli panic:



The following videos highlight the problem confronting Israel… it can’t stop Iranian missiles.

[The videos aren't available in YouTube. You'll have to go here to see them:
https://sonar21.com/the-zionists-are-crying-uncle-sam/ ]

Another reality confronting Israel is that the United States does not have unlimited supplies of air defense missiles, and other weapons, to send to Israel. For example, consider the limitations of the THAAD and SM-3 antiballistic missile systems… the US can only manufacture 50-75 THAAD and 60-84 SM-3 interceptors per year! I read another report today — can’t find it now — that the US is sending weapons intended for Ukraine to Israel. I’m sure Zelensky will be thrilled with that news. If this report is true, Ukraine’s days are numbered. Without sustained US military and intelligence support, Ukraine cannot sustain its military operations through the summer.

I want to remind you of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that Russia and Iran signed on January 17. Here are the critical sections pertaining to the current war with Israel:

Article 3

3. In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.

So, what does this mean? The right to self-defense is recognized in Article 51 of the UN Charter, which allows countries to defend themselves if an armed attack occurs. This self-defense must be:

In response to an actual armed attack
Immediate and necessary
Proportional to the threat

Israel’s attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, under the terms of this agreement, means that Iran, with Russian support, will be fully entitled to respond militarily. Russia sent Israel and the United States a clear warning… Russia has Iran’s back.

Article 4 is particularly revealing because it admits that Russia and Iran have separate agreements governing cooperation between their respective intelligence and security agencies:

Article 4

2. The intelligence and security agencies of the Contracting Parties shall cooperate within the framework of separate agreements.

Article 5 reveals that Russia and Iran have agreed to a comprehensive level of military cooperation that covers everything from training to military exercises to responding to attacks:

Article 5

1. In order to develop military cooperation between their relevant agencies, the Contracting Parties shall conduct the preparation and implementation of respective agreements within the Working Group on Military Cooperation.

2. The military cooperation between the Contracting Parties shall cover a wide range of issues, including the exchange of military and expert delegations, port calls by military ships and vessels of the Contracting Parties, training of military personnel, exchange of cadets and instructors, participation – upon the agreement between the Contracting Parties – in international defence exhibitions hosted by the Contracting Parties, conduct of joint sports competitions, cultural and other events, joint maritime relief and rescue operations as well as combating piracy and armed robbery at sea.

3. The Contracting Parties shall interact closely in holding joint military exercises in the territory of both Contracting Parties and beyond by mutual consent and taking into account the applicable generally recognized rules of international law.

4. The Contracting Parties shall consult and cooperate in countering common military and security threats of a bilateral and regional nature.

Donald Trump came into office with the backing of millions of voters who believed his promise not to embroil the US in needless foreign wars. Looks like he is breaking that promise. He apparently learned nothing from George HW Bush, who promised, “no new taxes,” and then broke that promise. Voters did not forgive him. If Trump intervenes on behalf of Israel, he will likely suffer a similar political fate; only instead of not being re-elected, he will see his political support among a key segment of his base crumble

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

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