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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:02 PM

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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5024347-democratic-left-stampede-
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After suffering a hard defeat, Democrats are now intent on taking a hard left. If history is any indication, expect them to continue. Simply put, Democrats no longer have enough non-extremists to stop their stampede by the lemmings of the left.

The depth of Democrats’ debacle is easily measured but still difficult to fathom. Trump gained popular vote share — for a third straight presidential election. He became the first Republican to beat a Democrat in the presidential popular vote in 20 years.

In contrast, Harris lost ground to Biden’s 2020 percentage-vote performance in all states but one (Utah) and even in the District of Columbia. As a result, Trump trounced Harris in the Electoral College, 312-226.

Yet staring into this canyon, according to a recent Emerson poll, Harris still leads 2028 Democratic presidential contenders. California Gov. Gavin Newsom placed second. It is tempting to chalk this up to a popularity contest — though Harris’ disastrous campaign makes her popularity hard to imagine — until you look at the other numerous examples of Democrats’ leftward lunge.

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The Democratic Party is sacrificing its middle. Its far-left infestation drives out the non-extremists it encounters. The far left doesn’t care because they win regardless. Either they win absolutely and their policies advance, or they win relatively, because it is the less-extreme members of the Democratic Party who disproportionately absorb the losses.

That the Democrats are thus infected cannot be doubted. In 2020, Newsweek reported the results of a Gallup poll showing that 76 percent of Democrats would support a socialist for president if nominated by their party.

The lemmings of the left are intent on stampeding the Democratic Party into the sea. And they are likely to be successful because there is no one — and no ones — left to stop them.




Second isn't going anywhere, but Ted might want to reconsider what side of the line he is on.


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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:11 PM

SIGNYM

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I might vote for a socialist, as long as they had Americans' interests at heart. I have no more dedication to monopolies and financialism than I do to globalism, all of which I consider parasitic on Americans.

Bc in order to reindustrialize America, you need a stash of investment capital geared towards infrastructure, basic production, and manufacturing. Ain't no finacialist gonna sink cash into such a low-return endeavor. Either the government finds a partner as part owner (51% govt ownership) or armtwist some company, on the basis of national security, to invest in a industry.


Or you make finacialism such a low return actvity (by increasing reserve requirements astronomically or redefining long term to be five years and jacking up cap gains taxes on anything short term.) that reindustrialization looks like a decent option.

The only problem with making government investment the linchpin of reindustrialization is that it all works when the program is managed by non-corrupted politicians. But over time, the corrupt inevitably worm their way into any concentration of wealth and power. So there has to be some way of devolving the management to smaller entities who will be competing, or refreshing the leadership regularly. And I'm not sure if thats possible. The Founding Fathers did their best with division of power and the vote, but that hasn't prevented total systemic rot.

Needs thought.

One thing govt can do is break apart monopolies.

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:28 PM

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Yeah.... You bring up a lot of good points.

How do you put money into things like infrastructure and get a ROI without taxing the hell out of it, right?




And then look at the solution to the Homeless.

We've spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS on it and the problem just gets worse.

Not only do I suspect that none of the best intentions they had going into it would actually be helpful to anybody long-term, but those people didn't even get that. The vast majority of the money that has been earmarked for homeless has been siphoned off by crooked politicians and bureaucrats.

And with how many foreign-interests the Democrat Party and the NeoCons have allowed to pervade and influence every aspect of American society in the last 20 years, who knows how much of that money has been removed completely from the American economy and is now being circulated somewhere else.



The biggest problem of being a citizen of the country with the largest printing press is that they're splitting the stock you own every single day and giving the split to somebody else.

That was bad enough when the money remained in our economy, but now who the fuck knows where it ends up after it's been split?



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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Bc in order to reindustrialize America, you need a stash of investment capital geared towards infrastructure, basic production, and manufacturing. Ain't no finacialist gonna sink cash into such a low-return endeavor. Either the government finds a partner as part owner (51% govt ownership) or armtwist some company, on the basis of national security, to invest in a industry.

When tax rates went down, the rich stopped investing in America and gave the money to themselves instead. That's why America is in the situation it is now in today: high government deficits and low investment in industry.

Look at Figure 1: Top Income Tax Rates by Type of Income (1913-2023)
https://www.concordcoalition.org/issue-brief/historical-tax-rates-the-
rhetoric-and-reality-of-taxing-the-rich
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Between 1936 and 1963, the top individual income tax rate generally ranged between 80 and 90 percent.[12] In 1964, the top rate was reduced to 77 percent, and it was reduced to 70 percent in 1965.

In the 1980s, the top tax rate was reduced from 70 percent to 50 percent, and then to 28 percent.

It is obvious to anyone, except a Trumptard, that as the tax rate changes for the wealthy (not the middle class, the rich), the investment behavior of the wealthy changes enormously and so does the National Debt. If Trump wants to Make America Great Again, the tax rates on the rich must be returned to the same old high levels back when America was great.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:58 PM

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Though every irrational part of my brain is screaming at me otherwise, the rational part of my brain is making it very hard for me to not be in agreement with Second on that particular issue.

It's hardly the only problem leading to the outcome that he claims it created singularly, but we have to expect that coming from Second since he has a very simple mind.



Those people didn't re-invest in America. Some of the rain fell here when everything started "Trickling Down", sure....

But a ton of that shit ended up everywhere else but America.

And our government has been run by corporations with no allegiance to America ever since.



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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 8:04 PM

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What 2nd fails to mention with his tax stat history is that low-income people were being fucked hard core by the Federal Government too.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-income-tax-rates
-brackets
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I'm assuming that this is why the tax cuts for the 1% didn't bother anybody at the time since they all got massive pay raises when their obscene Federal tax burden was lowered to something resembling reasonable.




Personally, I think you shouldn't pay any income tax other than SS/Medicare unless you're single and making over $50k per year (Married $80k per year).

And the cap on SS/Mediare should be removed and everyone should pay into that on every dollar they make.


And for the love of god, fix the fucking market.

You can change the tax rates all you want, but when the 1% never draw a paycheck in the first place, you need to figure out how you're going to get them to pay their fair share somewhere else.

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 8:46 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

And the cap on SS/Medicare should be removed and everyone should pay into that on every dollar they make.


And for the love of god, fix the fucking market.

You can change the tax rates all you want, but when the 1% never draw a paycheck in the first place, you need to figure out how you're going to get them to pay their fair share somewhere else.

There is no limit on the amount of earnings subject to Medicare (hospital insurance) tax. The Medicare tax rate applies to all taxable wages and remains at 1.45 percent with the exception of an “additional Medicare tax” assessed against all taxable wages paid in excess of the applicable threshold (see Note).

Note: Employers are required to withhold the additional Medicare tax at a 0.9 percent rate on wages and other compensation paid to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/medicarewages.asp

As for the rich, either Corporations or Individuals, there are income taxes on income that is NOT wages. "Profits" for Corps. "Dividends" and "Capital Gains" for wealthy Individuals. But the IRS will not collect from people like Trump because his lawyers/accountants/bookkeepers will stall the IRS lawyers from here to eternity. Over $1 trillion in taxes is not paid each year because of straightforward cheating with absolutely no subtlety.

Trump's IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig told the Senate Finance Committee that the annual tax gap could be $1 trillion. For years, the outgunned IRS hampered by Republican budget cuts struggled against billionaires and corporations with virtually unlimited resources at their disposal.
https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/whitehouse-offsh
ore-tax-evasion-by-big-corporations-the-wealthy-cheats-american-people


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 9:13 PM

SIGNYM

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I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment?

First of all, you're talking about INCOME tax, but the wealthy (now, anyway) make most of their money thru cap gains.

Second, the whole investment mileu was different back then. Globalism and financialism ... commodities futures, hedge funds, M&As, LBOs, stock buybacks, high frequency trading ... didn't exist back then. Glass Steagall was in force. Reserve requirements were higher.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article9748.html

USA industry dominated the globe. Tariffs were in force until about 1950. What else was there to invest in? Where else would you plunk your $$?

So I think the correlation between high income tax rates and investment was somewhat coincidental, and I'm not sure that drastically raising income tax rates on the wealthy would increase investment in industry, since there are so many other- more profitable- ways to shelter wealth from income taxes.

OTOH, SIX makes a good point that there is no ROI on infrastructural development. And, BTW, no ROI for things like pollution control and living wages healthcare and other things that make the USA a decent place to live and work. There have to be sources of funding for what are called "the public good".

As long as the USA is competing internationally ... and as long as capital flows freely and leaks from the USA to other, more profitable venturees, well, we'll be aiming for the bottom of the barrel. And I thought the whole purpose of reindustrialization was to MAGA, not to make life suck even more and turn the USA into India, or worse.

As an aside, people seem to feel that de-dollarization would be horrible for the USA, and I think in the short run it would be. But looking at Russia (yeah, I have to bring them up again) cutting them from SWIFT was the best thing that happened to them. It created capital controls that Russia would have had a hard time enforcing on its own, and since the ruble has fewer places to go, Russians are forced to invest in Russia.

So ONE answer to the USA conundrum might be to gradually let the value of the dollar fall. Not that it becomes worthless, but WORTH LESS.

Overall I think eventually we have to confront the conflation that people have between themselves and our (so-called) "capitalist economy" and realize that even if our economy is "booming" doesn't mean people's lives will be better. If we want that to happen, the uber wealthy and monopolies will have to be forced to give up a great deal of wealth.

My $0.02

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment? . . .

My $0.02

No surprise that you can't make connections, Signym.

Meanwhile, the richest are accumulating money and the subsequent power that goes with freely spending it to manipulate whoever they want in Congress because they aren't being taxed enough, but it wouldn't be a surprise if Signym can't make that connection, either. I am not at all surprised when people with paltry sums of money have little to no imagination, since it takes a significant amount of dreaming to imagine workable and legal schemes to make money.

The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never
-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax


Our analysis of tax data for the 25 richest Americans quantifies just how unfair the system has become.

By the end of 2018, the 25 were worth $1.1 trillion.

For comparison, it would take 14.3 million ordinary American wage earners put together to equal that same amount of wealth.

The personal federal tax bill for the top 25 in 2018: $1.9 billion.

The bill for the wage earners: $143 billion.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 11:47 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment? . . .

My $0.02

SECOND: No surprise that you can't make connections, Signym.



I'm not saying that taxes on the rich shouldn't be raised. I think they should be. After all, haven't I argued over and over again that tax law ... especially CORPORATE tax law ... should be rewritten?
I guess it's no surprise you never got that point!

All I was saying is that I don't think that increasing INCOME taxes on the wealthy will cause investment in reindustrialization.
You didn't get that point either.

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Meanwhile, the richest are accumulating money and the subsequent power that goes with freely spending it to manipulate whoever they want in Congress because they aren't being taxed enough, but it wouldn't be a surprise if Signym can't make that connection, either. I am not at all surprised when people with paltry sums of money have little to no imagination, since it takes a significant amount of dreaming to imagine workable and legal schemes to make money.

You'll get no argument from me that the wealthy use their wealth to rewrite laws in their favor. Even tax law. Especially tax law.

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The Secret IRS Files: Trove of Never-Before-Seen Records Reveal How the Wealthiest Avoid Income Tax

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never
-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax


Our analysis of tax data for the 25 richest Americans quantifies just how unfair the system has become.

By the end of 2018, the 25 were worth $1.1 trillion.

For comparison, it would take 14.3 million ordinary American wage earners put together to equal that same amount of wealth.

The personal federal tax bill for the top 25 in 2018: $1.9 billion.

The bill for the wage earners: $143 billion.



Yes, they avoid INCOME tax by shifting their incoming wealth into CAPITAL GAINS.
Cap gains are not "ordinary income" and aren't taxed the same way.

Also, I think CORPORATE taxes need to be raised as well. And since the wealthy and corprorations can avoid taxes thru entirely LEGAL means, the challenge is to rewrite tax law ....


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Wednesday, December 11, 2024 11:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment?

First of all, you're talking about INCOME tax, but the wealthy (now, anyway) make most of their money thru cap gains.

Second, the whole investment mileu was different back then. Globalism and financialism ... commodities futures, hedge funds, M&As, LBOs, stock buybacks, high frequency trading ... didn't exist back then. Glass Steagall was in force. Reserve requirements



Right. So how do you break it without BREAKING it?

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USA industry dominated the globe. Tariffs were in force until about 1950. What else was there to invest in? Where else would you plunk your $$?

So I think the correlation between high income tax rates and investment was somewhat coincidental, and I'm not sure that drastically raising income tax rates on the wealthy would increase investment in industry, since there are so many other- more profitable- ways to shelter wealth from income taxes.



Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

Do CEO's even really draw a paycheck anymore even, unless it's some sort of legal consideration? I'm sure if they do it's meaningless compared to all the other benefits and stock options they're getting.


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OTOH, SIX makes a good point that there is no ROI on infrastructural development. And, BTW, no ROI for things like pollution control and living wages healthcare and other things that make the USA a decent place to live and work. There have to be sources of funding for what are called "the public good".


Then take that to the logical conclusion and you get Chicago Mayor Daley's parting gift to the city and the state of Illinois when he sold the profits for ALL PARKING METERS IN CHICAGO FOR 99 YEARS to foreign interests in the Middle East for 2 Billion and then spent that 2 Billion before the Daleys were finally history.

Taxpayers still fund the cops and meter maids to monitor them and give out tickets, but the only revenue the city sees now is from the tickets they give out. While taxpayers are funding the police to give them tickets for not paying to park, all of those profits from the meters that our taxpayer dollars are managing go out of the country for about another 75 years still.

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:05 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All I was saying is that I don't think that increasing INCOME taxes on the wealthy will cause investment in reindustrialization.
You didn't get that point either.

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Signym, all I am saying is that you live in error and always have. For example: Henry Kissinger did NOT say what your signature says. He said the exact opposite. You have had years to discover the true origin of that so-called Kissinger quote and correct your signature, but you have not done it, despite the effort being trivial:

Did Kissinger say "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Kissinger+say+%22It+may+be+dangero
us+to+be+America%27s+enemy%2C+but+to+be+America%27s+friend+is+fatal.%22


Signym, if you can't even understand how you misquote Kissinger, you can't understand anything. It is a waste of time communicating with Trumptards about anything complicated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 8:11 AM

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Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

I sure would love to argue with you and persuade you (I'm kidding because you are an overly articulate blockhead) but why bother?

I love capitalism, when sensibly regulated, and love and admire more than one billionaire myself. The ones I know support fair taxation. This guy is not one of them: How One of the World’s Richest Men Is Avoiding $8 Billion in Taxes.

How Jensen Huang, CEO of Nvidia, Is Avoiding Billions in Taxes

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/business/nvidia-jensen-huang-estate
-taxes.html


The chief executive of Nvidia, Jensen Huang, has taken advantage of popular loopholes in the federal estate and gift taxes, which have quietly been eviscerated.

Jensen Huang, the chief executive of Nvidia, is the 10th-richest person in the United States, worth $127 billion. In theory, when he dies, his estate should pay 40 percent of his net worth to the government in taxes.

But Mr. Huang, 61, is not only an engineering genius and Silicon Valley icon whose company, the world’s second-most valuable, makes the chips that power much artificial intelligence. He is also the beneficiary of a series of tax dodges that will enable him to pass on much of his fortune tax free, according to securities and tax filings reviewed by The New York Times.

The savings for his family are on a pace to be roughly $8 billion. It likely ranks among the largest tax dodges in the United States.

The types of strategies Mr. Huang has deployed to shield his wealth have become ubiquitous among the ultrawealthy. Blackstone Group’s Stephen A. Schwarzman, Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg and top executives at Google, Coinbase, Eli Lilly, Mastercard and Advanced Micro Devices have collectively shifted billions of dollars into financial vehicles in order to avoid the federal estate tax, according to a Times analysis of securities disclosures.

It is just one sign of how the estate tax — imposed solely on a sliver of the country’s multimillionaires — has been eviscerated.

Revenue from the tax has barely changed since 2000, even as the wealth of the richest Americans has roughly quadrupled. If the estate tax had simply kept pace, it would have raised around $120 billion last year. Instead it brought in about a quarter of that.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 10:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

I sure would love to argue with you and persuade you (I'm kidding because you are an overly articulate blockhead) but why bother?



That would have been a first on your part.

Pity... It could have been amusing.

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Thursday, December 12, 2024 12:03 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

I sure would love to argue with you and persuade you (I'm kidding because you are an overly articulate blockhead) but why bother?

I love capitalism, when sensibly regulated, and love and admire more than one billionaire myself. The ones I know support fair taxation. This guy is not one of them: How One of the World’s Richest Men Is Avoiding $8 Billion in Taxes.

How Jensen Huang, CEO of Nvidia, Is Avoiding Billions in Taxes

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/business/nvidia-jensen-huang-estate
-taxes.html


The chief executive of Nvidia, Jensen Huang, has taken advantage of popular loopholes in the federal estate and gift taxes, which have quietly been eviscerated.

Jensen Huang, the chief executive of Nvidia, is the 10th-richest person in the United States, worth $127 billion. In theory, when he dies, his estate should pay 40 percent of his net worth to the government in taxes.

But Mr. Huang, 61, is not only an engineering genius and Silicon Valley icon whose company, the world’s second-most valuable, makes the chips that power much artificial intelligence. He is also the beneficiary of a series of tax dodges that will enable him to pass on much of his fortune tax free, according to securities and tax filings reviewed by The New York Times.

The savings for his family are on a pace to be roughly $8 billion. It likely ranks among the largest tax dodges in the United States.

The types of strategies Mr. Huang has deployed to shield his wealth have become ubiquitous among the ultrawealthy. Blackstone Group’s Stephen A. Schwarzman, Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg and top executives at Google, Coinbase, Eli Lilly, Mastercard and Advanced Micro Devices have collectively shifted billions of dollars into financial vehicles in order to avoid the federal estate tax, according to a Times analysis of securities disclosures.

It is just one sign of how the estate tax — imposed solely on a sliver of the country’s multimillionaires — has been eviscerated.

Revenue from the tax has barely changed since 2000, even as the wealth of the richest Americans has roughly quadrupled. If the estate tax had simply kept pace, it would have raised around $120 billion last year. Instead it brought in about a quarter of that.




The point you seem to keep missing is that these tax dodges are LEGAL. You've been on a bender about Trump, taxes, and enforcement when IN REALITY the problem is our TAX LAW.

So, how would you change our TAX LAW?

Personally, I'd start with corporate taxes.



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Friday, December 13, 2024 8:49 AM

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The point you seem to keep missing is that these tax dodges are LEGAL. You've been on a bender about Trump, taxes, and enforcement when IN REALITY the problem is our TAX LAW.

So, how would you change our TAX LAW?

Personally, I'd start with corporate taxes.

Writing tax legislation is like designing and building an engineering project. Projects inevitably malfunction and maybe even fail when the worst people are allowed more than minor input to the project.

I'm biased by my experience in constructing engineering projects. In my experience, problems enviably come down to somebody sabotaging the project for their benefit, money most often, but sometimes egotistically insisting their opinions are good despite being proven as bad. A supplier who delivers crap, a subcontractor who is crap, an employee or engineer who has crap for brains. How to handle these people who are sabotaging the project for personal reasons? Fire them. How does that apply to politics? You can't fire them. (Well, you can but Lincoln, for example, was awfully slow at realizing the only way to handle Confederates was to kill their stupid asses rather than talk them to death. In turn, Lincoln got killed because he assumed his temporarily defeated enemies were reasonable and could be persuaded to behave better than before the Civil War. They couldn't. I've never seen a bad person come to the light. I have only seen them fake it. I have seen evil people temporarily beaten back from their worst behaviors or get too old, tired, and weak to be as harmful as they once were. )

So, if you want to rewrite the tax code, saboteurs must be excluded from writing it. HOW TO DO THAT WITHOUT KILLING THEM? Get the voters to exclude them from the project and Congress. How to do that?

The Conversation Democrats Need to Have

By Jon Favreau | December 10, 2024

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/12/democrats-need-ch
ange-minds/680950
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In the weeks since the election, I’ve been thinking about the woman who told me she’d heard that Kamala Harris “let in all the illegals who killed all those cops.”

I met her when a few of us from Pod Save America were knocking doors in Las Vegas the Sunday before the election. She was listed in the voter file as a 72-year-old registered Democrat who hadn’t voted yet, so we rang the doorbell and were greeted by a small Asian woman and a very large dog. Her broken English wasn’t easy to understand, and the barking didn’t help, but her concern about the cop-killing immigrants was clear.

We skipped the fact-check and assured the woman that Vice President Harris promised to crack down on illegal immigration and close the border if it got out of control. She seemed mildly encouraged, but not sold. We told her that Harris also wanted to make prescriptions cheaper for her and cut her taxes. Then she pointed to a photo of the vice president on the campaign literature we were holding: “Is that her?” We nodded. The woman gave us a thumbs-up and a promise that she’d vote for Harris.

This wasn’t the type of exchange we’d expected, but only because the outcome was successful. Most interactions with voters aren’t as satisfying as you hope, and some are just bizarre. When I was conducting focus groups for a podcast I host called The Wilderness, a Latino voter in Vegas told me that his two favorite political leaders were Governor Ron DeSantis and Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, because they were both “outsiders” who were willing to “take on the establishment.” An older Milwaukee voter said that he had voted for Barack Obama and then Donald Trump because “they both felt like change.” A young Black man in Atlanta said that because of crime and inflation, he regretted his vote for Joe Biden, and that “at least Trump is an honest liar.”

The show would sometimes get harsh reviews from Democrats, whose reactions to these focus groups I’d charitably describe as frustrated disbelief: “Infuriating.” “Depressing.” “Couldn’t listen.” “Why didn’t you correct them?” “How did you not just walk out?”

I understand why people would feel this way. Well, I understand why people like us would feel this way. If you care enough about politics to read The Atlantic or listen to Pod Save America or scroll through an infinite feed of strangers’ opinions, you mostly encounter broadly cohesive political identities. Even if we don’t agree with the views of leftists or liberals or Never Trumpers or MAGA Republicans, we understand them (or at least we think we do). The people whose views we don’t understand tend to be the people who simply don’t follow politics that closely.

And yet, that’s most Americans.

This majority still votes, but not in every election. They typically vote for the same party, but not always. Their political beliefs can be all over the map: left on some issues, right on others; willing to compromise on some issues, not on others. They tend to be less partisan (which doesn’t mean they’re centrist), less ideological (which doesn’t mean they’re moderate), and less likely to see politics as a black-and-white, life-and-death struggle with clear heroes and villains (which doesn’t mean they don’t care). They’re also less likely to have a four-year college degree, which is now the best predictor of how Americans vote and the central divide in American politics—a divide that continues to grow.

The Democratic Party is currently on the wrong side of an unforgiving math problem. Fewer than four in 10 Americans have graduated college, and that number is even smaller in the battleground states that decide the presidency and control of Congress. In each of the past three elections, Trump has picked up millions of new votes from Americans without a degree who had previously supported Democrats. And every time, Democrats have taken comfort in explanations that, although plausible, absolve us from the hard work of winning back these voters.

In 2016, we told ourselves that the only reason white, working-class Obama voters could possibly choose Trump over Hillary Clinton was misogyny, racism, or misinformation. In 2020, Trump’s gains with working-class Latinos were blamed on Cubans in Florida and COVID-19 lockdowns. In 2024, Trump won even more support from working-class Latino voters and Asian voters and Black voters. He won new votes from working-class Gen Z and Millennial voters. He made huge gains in working-class border communities and the immigrant neighborhoods of big cities.

Democrats can choose again to take comfort in an explanation that requires very little of us: If the party lost in 2024 because people were fed up with high costs and an old incumbent, maybe we can win in 2028 if people are still fed up with high costs and an old incumbent. Or maybe Democrats can just crank up the economic populism. Or sand down the edges of identity politics. Or create better ads, or hire smarter operatives, or run younger candidates, or find a Joe Rogan but without any of the stuff that makes liberals mad and Rogan popular. Surely, someone on Bluesky has the answer.

The truth is, 2024 should be a clarifying moment for those of us who have spent the past decade trying to keep Trump out of power. Half of the country just took another flier on the guy who attempted a coup—a convicted felon who somehow won 16 million more votes than he did in 2016. Democrats are about to have as little power as they’ve had at any time in the past two decades for a simple reason: Most Americans weren’t convinced that they’d be better off under Democratic rule. That’s it. And there’s no shortcut back to power that avoids the difficult task of convincing people to change their minds.

Democrats need to get back into the persuasion business. Interactions with voters, frustrating as they often are, are always a good reminder of how different it feels to talk politics with a person you’re genuinely trying to persuade. You don’t speak in phrases from a candidate’s overly polished speech or carefully worded interview answers. You don’t talk like an ad that supposedly tests well but somehow sounds like every other Democratic ad you’ve ever heard. And the conversations certainly don’t sound at all like people talk and argue about politics online. Imagine if the woman we met in Las Vegas had posted her cop-killing-immigrants question on social media. Does anyone think the resulting discourse would’ve won her vote—or any votes? I can’t say I would’ve responded the same way I did in person.

Persuading voters is primarily the job of politicians and political professionals. But we now live in an era when the typical voter’s occasional glimpse at the spectacle of American politics is less likely to be a candidate’s speech or a campaign ad than an algorithmic assortment of takes and arguments from media figures, activists, and anyone with an opinion and a social-media account. This means that, whether we like it or not, the small minority of us who obsessively follow and talk and post about politics play a role in shaping the views of the majority of Americans who don’t: a multiracial, working-class majority that has come to believe politics is largely irrelevant to their lives.

And can we really blame them?

Trump has been the main character of American politics for nearly a decade, so that certainly hasn’t helped, but neither has the exhausting drama he’s pulled us into, over and over again. He acts, we react, and sometimes overreact. Political obsessives see a debate in which the stakes are total and the right side is obvious. But more often than not, the person who’s just checking in sees a fight that sounds both silly and sanctimonious, trivial and hyperbolic, inaccessible and exhausting—all of which feeds into the autocrat’s empty promise that he can liberate us from the messier parts of a system in which everyone gets a say and nothing seems to get done.

Democrats can no longer just assert that this path is wrong; we have to show that a better way exists—yes, in the policies we propose and in the facts we present, but also in how we approach the essential work of politics in a democracy.

When someone expresses a view we find immoral or offensive, it’s not that they never deserve to be scolded or shamed. It’s that making people feel unwelcome or unwanted is self-defeating and antithetical to the project of democratic governance—a radical belief that everyone has equal worth and deserves an equal voice in organizing a society where dissenting views are tolerated, minority rights are protected, and progress happens only when minds are changed.

The last time Democrats suffered a defeat of this year’s magnitude was in 2004, when George W. Bush won the popular vote to secure a second term and the Republicans controlled Congress. Some people have pointed out that, at the time, the smart money was on Democrats nominating a swing-state moderate in 2008. A Black guy from Chicago named Barack Hussein Obama who had broken with his party on the Iraq War wasn’t really in the cards. The suggestion is that maybe Democrats should worry less about where our next candidates fall on the political spectrum and more about whether they can rally the party faithful.

But that is based on a misconception about why Obama was the last Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to twice win an electoral majority. For all the attention on his charisma and ability to inspire, an underrated aspect of Obama’s appeal was how hard he tried to empathize with the people he was trying to lead. Even if they weren’t for him, he made it clear that he was for them. Part of that capacity came from navigating so many different worlds as he grew up. But part of it was his background as a community organizer.

Organizers understand better than just about anyone else in politics what it takes to change minds, because they spend their days talking with people who aren’t like them, don’t know them, and don’t think like them. I spend way too much of my life arguing about politics online and on mic, but the disagreements I appreciate the most—the conversations that make me think differently—are almost always with people who have a background in organizing for a cause or campaign. Whether the person’s politics are to the left or the right of my own, their experience tends to make them more patient, understanding, and compelling than 95 percent of social-media interactions. That’s because organizers aren’t looking to perform for the people who already agree with them. They’re looking to persuade the people who don’t. They don’t just want to be right. They want to win.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, December 13, 2024 2:56 PM

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The point you seem to keep missing is that these tax dodges are LEGAL. You've been on a bender about Trump, taxes, and enforcement when IN REALITY the problem is our TAX LAW.

So, how would you change our TAX LAW?

Personally, I'd start with corporate taxes.

Writing tax legislation is like designing and building an engineering project. Projects inevitably malfunction and maybe even fail when the worst people are allowed more than minor input to the project.



After that, your entire post is all misdirection.

TAX LAW is written by LOBBYISTS and voted in by politicians who are, for the most part, tied by apron strings to those lobbyists and to their party central committees.

There's one answer to bad legislation:

Get money out of Congress.

So, why do politicos and their parties need so much $$$ ?

Well, what did Harris spend $1.5 BILLION dollars on?

Advertising.

So, one thing that could happen is that the broadcast media ... those licensed by the FCC ... be REQUIRED to donate hours of prime time to each candidate.

And then, of course, there should be no "deplatforming" and censorship on the internet. Every candidate should be able to reach out directly to Americans.

My personal favorite idea? Banning paid political adverts from ALL media for 3 weeks immediately before the vote. A kind of "cooling off" period.

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Friday, December 13, 2024 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment?

First of all, you're talking about INCOME tax, but the wealthy (now, anyway) make most of their money thru cap gains.

Second, the whole investment mileu was different back then. Globalism and financialism ... commodities futures, hedge funds, M&As, LBOs, stock buybacks, high frequency trading ... didn't exist back then. Glass Steagall was in force. Reserve requirements



Right. So how do you break it without BREAKING it?

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USA industry dominated the globe. Tariffs were in force until about 1950. What else was there to invest in? Where else would you plunk your $$?

So I think the correlation between high income tax rates and investment was somewhat coincidental, and I'm not sure that drastically raising income tax rates on the wealthy would increase investment in industry, since there are so many other- more profitable- ways to shelter wealth from income taxes.



Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

Do CEO's even really draw a paycheck anymore even, unless it's some sort of legal consideration? I'm sure if they do it's meaningless compared to all the other benefits and stock options they're getting.


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OTOH, SIX makes a good point that there is no ROI on infrastructural development. And, BTW, no ROI for things like pollution control and living wages healthcare and other things that make the USA a decent place to live and work. There have to be sources of funding for what are called "the public good".


Then take that to the logical conclusion and you get Chicago Mayor Daley's parting gift to the city and the state of Illinois when he sold the profits for ALL PARKING METERS IN CHICAGO FOR 99 YEARS to foreign interests in the Middle East for 2 Billion and then spent that 2 Billion before the Daleys were finally history.

Taxpayers still fund the cops and meter maids to monitor them and give out tickets, but the only revenue the city sees now is from the tickets they give out. While taxpayers are funding the police to give them tickets for not paying to park, all of those profits from the meters that our taxpayer dollars are managing go out of the country for about another 75 years still.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

That is the everlasting problem of corruption.

And by corruption, I don't mean just simple pocket-lining. I mean putting personal wealth, power, and even personal agendas and ideologies (i.e. globalism) ahead of the interests of those you're supposed to be representing.

In my experience in government, I would say that generally "The fish rots from the head" holds true. For the most part, employees just want to do their jobs and while they may take home office supplies or not put in a full day's work, they don't have the authority to do much damage or set the tone of the entire organization. (Accountants and tech people are kind of the exception, since they have a lot of access.)

If you want to stop corruption, start at the top.

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Friday, December 13, 2024 4:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I don't see a direct connection between tax rates on the rich and their investment behavior. What would be the motivation to plunk $ into investment?

First of all, you're talking about INCOME tax, but the wealthy (now, anyway) make most of their money thru cap gains.

Second, the whole investment mileu was different back then. Globalism and financialism ... commodities futures, hedge funds, M&As, LBOs, stock buybacks, high frequency trading ... didn't exist back then. Glass Steagall was in force. Reserve requirements



Right. So how do you break it without BREAKING it?

Quote:

USA industry dominated the globe. Tariffs were in force until about 1950. What else was there to invest in? Where else would you plunk your $$?

So I think the correlation between high income tax rates and investment was somewhat coincidental, and I'm not sure that drastically raising income tax rates on the wealthy would increase investment in industry, since there are so many other- more profitable- ways to shelter wealth from income taxes.



Raising income taxes would have almost no impact on anything, outside of maybe some of those who make stupid amounts of money but aren't in the 1%. I'm thinking your good lawyers and plastic surgeons here. People that are actually paid for a service that has a tangible value. I'm sure they're able to hide a good deal of it, but they've also got to pay a lot as to not raise suspicion too.

Do CEO's even really draw a paycheck anymore even, unless it's some sort of legal consideration? I'm sure if they do it's meaningless compared to all the other benefits and stock options they're getting.


Quote:

OTOH, SIX makes a good point that there is no ROI on infrastructural development. And, BTW, no ROI for things like pollution control and living wages healthcare and other things that make the USA a decent place to live and work. There have to be sources of funding for what are called "the public good".


Then take that to the logical conclusion and you get Chicago Mayor Daley's parting gift to the city and the state of Illinois when he sold the profits for ALL PARKING METERS IN CHICAGO FOR 99 YEARS to foreign interests in the Middle East for 2 Billion and then spent that 2 Billion before the Daleys were finally history.

Taxpayers still fund the cops and meter maids to monitor them and give out tickets, but the only revenue the city sees now is from the tickets they give out. While taxpayers are funding the police to give them tickets for not paying to park, all of those profits from the meters that our taxpayer dollars are managing go out of the country for about another 75 years still.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

That is the everlasting problem of corruption.

And by corruption, I don't mean just simple pocket-lining. I mean putting personal wealth, power, and even personal agendas and ideologies (i.e. globalism) ahead of the interests of those you're supposed to be representing.

In my experience in government, I would say that generally "The fish rots from the head" holds true. For the most part, employees just want to do their jobs and while they may take home office supplies or not put in a full day's work, they don't have the authority to do much damage or set the tone of the entire organization. (Accountants and tech people are kind of the exception, since they have a lot of access.)

If you want to stop corruption, start at the top.

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Yup.

And in the case of United Healthcare, it appears somebody was already on that.

And though I won't celebrate it, I'm not going to go out of my way denouncing either.

I got way too much to lose to be doing anything stupid like that myself.

Mostly because I don't hurt people, but also because that was just cutting the head off a Hydra.

Not only did that not solve anything (aside from possibly a personal vendetta that we're still unaware of), but now the higher ups are scrambling to have their pictures removed from the internet and they want to go into hiding. I'm sure if our laws didn't require them to be known since they are publicly traded entities, we wouldn't even know who is running these companies anymore. I doubt very much anybody trying something similar in the future is going to have such an easy time.

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Saturday, December 14, 2024 6:28 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you want to stop corruption, start at the top.



Yup. I got way too much to lose to be doing anything stupid like that myself.

Nope.
If you start at the top, you are starting with a target that is out of reach.
Start with yourself, 6ix.

Donald Trump Is the Authentic American Berserk
(berserk, adjective, out of control with anger or excitement pretty much describes every Trumptard I have known. One word explains why Trumptards can’t seem to prosper in America.)

Far from being an alien interloper, the incoming president draws from homegrown authoritarianism.

By Jeet Heer | December 13, 2024

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-authentic-american-be
rserk
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Elie Mystal wrote with characteristic eloquence about Trump’s essential Americanness:
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We are not “better” than Trump. If anything, thinking that we are better than Trump, thinking there is some “silent majority” who opposes the unserious grotesqueries of the man, is the core conceit that has led the Democratic Party to such total ruin. America willed Trump into existence. He was created from our greed, our insecurities, and our selfishness. We have summoned him from the depths of our own bile and neediness, and he has answered.
Democrats will never be able to defeat Trumpism unless they realize that Mystal is right. Trump is as American as baseball and apple pie. He’s the dark side of American individualism and lawlessness.

Biden’s failure was not just personal but also political and ideological. Although he defined himself as the anti-Trump, to a significant degree Biden misunderstood what Trump and Trumpism are all about. His error can be seen in the remark: “This guy just isn’t really an American president.”

The great error that Biden and other centrist liberals have made is seeing Trump as an alien import into an otherwise healthy America.

To understand Trump, one must look to the long and hidden history of right-wing anti-system politics in America, which is now being uncovered by historians such as John Ganz, David Austin Walsh, Nancy MacLean, and Nicole Hemmer. What these writers have shown is that, while right-wing anti-system politics only achieved national power with Trump, it’s long been percolating at the corners of public life, often influencing mainstream conservatives.

The tradition that created Trump goes back to the racist reaction to Reconstruction, to the Ku Klux Klan in its many manifestations, to the demagoguery of Huey Long and Joseph McCarthy. Trump himself was inducted into this dark tradition by his mentor Roy Cohn, McCarthy’s acolyte.

As Trump returns to power, we can no longer afford the illusions of Joe Biden. As a lifelong centrist, Biden could never come to terms with the genuine power of right-wing anti-system politics. He thought it was fringe and anti-American, though it has been a deep-running tendency festering throughout modern American history. To fight right-wing anti-system politics, centrist illusions about the essential innocence of American history will have to be abandoned.

Biden staked his political fate on his faulty understanding of Trump. Seeing Trump as alien to America, Biden had no understanding of the homegrown appeal of Trump’s message. Nor could Biden comprehend the fact that in a period of anti-system sentiment it was counterproductive to appeal to traditions of bipartisan comity as bulwarks against this allegedly alien threat. Biden’s frequent evocation of bipartisan blather (which came to fruition with Kamala Harris’s embrace of Liz Cheney) only reinforced Trump’s claim to be an outsider fighting against a corrupt bipartisan elite.

Democrats followed Biden’s preference and cast themselves as a pro-system party. This strategy failed— spectacularly. In the wake of that failure, we now have to turn to the political traditions that never had any illusions about right-wing anti-system politics — or about American innocence.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Jeet+Heer+wiki

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, December 14, 2024 5:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you want to stop corruption, start at the top.



Yup. I got way too much to lose to be doing anything stupid like that myself.

Nope.
If you start at the top, you are starting with a target that is out of reach.
Start with yourself, 6ix.



Yeah. Sure thing buddy. I'll get right on that after you do it first, psycho.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 5:14 PM

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Yeah. Sure thing buddy. I'll get right on that after you do it first, psycho.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

In North Carolina only 15% of households affected by Hurricane Helene have applied for FEMA assistance. That's half the rate of Georgia and South Carolina, even though they sustained less damage. You'll be surprised to learn why:

Local advocates and some inside FEMA say the barrage of conspiracy theories about the agency and a lack of knowledge about FEMA’s role in responding to disasters has discouraged and angered residents.

On Oct. 3, then-presidential-candidate Donald Trump stood onstage in Saginaw, Michigan, and falsely stated that the Biden administration didn’t have any money for hurricane relief and that the officials “stole the FEMA money … so they could give it to their illegal immigrants.” Other influential figures also propelled a range of conspiracy theories across the internet, exacerbating fears and tensions among residents and federal workers on the ground.

Around that time, applications fell and never bounced back as officials had hoped.

Trump's bluster and lies may have won him the White House, but not without cost. Hundreds of thousands of people are suffering needlessly because Trump has made them afraid of applying for loans or even no-strings cash grants:

For local volunteers such as Vicki Randolph, Oct. 4 was when “everything changed.”... Per usual, she said, they asked residents: “Did you apply for your FEMA?”

“And this one day, 100 percent of the people we talked to said ‘We don’t want the government to come around here. We have guns if they come around here,’” she recalled. “I had no idea why this was happening until I found out what had been said on television.”

It's not just Trump, either. The entire Republican noise machine joined in the lies because they figured it might give Trump a 1% better chance of winning an important swing state. What a bunch of depraved pieces of shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/12/15/some-nc-residents-di
strust-fema-so-much-theyre-hesitant-apply-hurricane-aid
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 5:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Yeah. Sure thing buddy. I'll get right on that after you do it first, psycho.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

In North Carolina only 15% of households affected by Hurricane Helene have applied for FEMA assistance. That's half the rate of Georgia and South Carolina, even though they sustained less damage. You'll be surprised to learn why:

Local advocates and some inside FEMA say the barrage of conspiracy theories about the agency and a lack of knowledge about FEMA’s role in responding to disasters has discouraged and angered residents.

On Oct. 3, then-presidential-candidate Donald Trump stood onstage in Saginaw, Michigan, and falsely stated that the Biden administration didn’t have any money for hurricane relief and that the officials “stole the FEMA money … so they could give it to their illegal immigrants.” Other influential figures also propelled a range of conspiracy theories across the internet, exacerbating fears and tensions among residents and federal workers on the ground.

Around that time, applications fell and never bounced back as officials had hoped.

Trump's bluster and lies may have won him the White House, but not without cost. Hundreds of thousands of people are suffering needlessly because Trump has made them afraid of applying for loans or even no-strings cash grants:

For local volunteers such as Vicki Randolph, Oct. 4 was when “everything changed.”... Per usual, she said, they asked residents: “Did you apply for your FEMA?”

“And this one day, 100 percent of the people we talked to said ‘We don’t want the government to come around here. We have guns if they come around here,’” she recalled. “I had no idea why this was happening until I found out what had been said on television.”

It's not just Trump, either. The entire Republican noise machine joined in the lies because they figured it might give Trump a 1% better chance of winning an important swing state. What a bunch of depraved pieces of shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2024/12/15/some-nc-residents-di
strust-fema-so-much-theyre-hesitant-apply-hurricane-aid
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two





The Biden* Administration DID steal money from FEMA to give to illegal alien invaders. A LOT OF MONEY.

Then, of course, you have reports of FEMA workers being told by management to walk right past any home that had a Trump sign in their yard. We know at least one of them have been fired so far, only because she got caught on video, and just like I predicted she said that she was just relaying the instructions to her employees that she got from higher up in the organization.

Why the fuck would anybody trust any of your people after living through these last 8 years?


They're all getting flushed down the fucking drain as we speak.

I told you that the world you thought you were living in was dead.

You'd better suck it up.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 5:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh....

And I hear that Nancy Pelosi fell and shattered her hip and Mitch McConnell fell and cracked his skull just recently. Things are looking up all around.

Maybe the rest of these old Boomer fucks that have been ruining the country from both sides of the aisle for the last 50 years are finally about to die off.

If Death isn't going to finish the job just yet, I'm perfectly fine with the idea of them falling one too many times and living through hell for the next 10 years before they finally wither away and die of natural causes.


Fuck you Nancy. Burn in hell.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 6:01 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

The Biden* Administration DID steal money from FEMA to give to illegal alien invaders. A LOT OF MONEY.

Then, of course, you have reports of FEMA workers being told by management to walk right past any home that had a Trump sign in their yard. We know at least one of them have been fired so far, only because she got caught on video, and just like I predicted she said that she was just relaying the instructions to her employees that she got from higher up in the organization.

Why the fuck would anybody trust any of your people after living through these last 8 years?


They're all getting flushed down the fucking drain as we speak.

I told you that the world you thought you were living in was dead.

You'd better suck it up.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

6ix, how are you certain that you are not a crazy lemming going over a cliff? By the way, the people who are diametrically opposite of Trumptards, psychologically/emotionally/athletically, are doing fine. Nearly all Trumptards I know are NOT doing fine and that is attributable to their "mental instabilities," to express it most delicately.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 6:36 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I noticed every time SECOND finds itself boxed in by reality, it spews insults.

******

SECOND, we know you're crazy by the hate you spew, the lies you tell, the number of times you contradict yourself, and your ENDLESS self-aggrandizement and pathetic virtue signalling. You're crazier than a shithouse rat.

Get help.
Maybe the New Year will be better for you.
One can always hope.


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Sunday, December 15, 2024 7:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

The Biden* Administration DID steal money from FEMA to give to illegal alien invaders. A LOT OF MONEY.

Then, of course, you have reports of FEMA workers being told by management to walk right past any home that had a Trump sign in their yard. We know at least one of them have been fired so far, only because she got caught on video, and just like I predicted she said that she was just relaying the instructions to her employees that she got from higher up in the organization.

Why the fuck would anybody trust any of your people after living through these last 8 years?


They're all getting flushed down the fucking drain as we speak.

I told you that the world you thought you were living in was dead.

You'd better suck it up.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

6ix, how are you certain that you are not a crazy lemming going over a cliff? By the way, the people who are diametrically opposite of Trumptards, psychologically/emotionally/athletically, are doing fine. Nearly all Trumptards I know are NOT doing fine and that is attributable to their "mental instabilities," to express it most delicately.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Oh. Make no mistake. Nothing is EVER certain.

Your side is so fucking bad that literally anything would be an improvement.

Now we get to sit back and watch the new admin undo all the shit your party created.

I just got back from ALDI. 3 items that I regularly buy went down in price anywhere from 15 to 30 cents each. It's the first time those prices have gone down in 4 years, and Trump's not even in office yet.

It's still $1.79 for a can of chili with beans after the $0.30 reduction from a month ago, which is still $0.90 cents more than I was paying for a can before Joe Biden* took office.

Fuck Joe Biden*

You guys are history.

You should find another hobby for your free time because you're going to be feeling nothing but pain for the next 4 years if you continue following politics.



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Sunday, December 15, 2024 7:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Oh. Make no mistake. Nothing is EVER certain.

Your side is so fucking bad that literally anything would be an improvement.

Now we get to sit back and watch the new admin undo all the shit your party created.

I just got back from ALDI. 3 items that I regularly buy went down in price anywhere from 15 to 30 cents each. It's the first time those prices have gone down in 4 years, and Trump's not even in office yet.

It's still $1.79 for a can of chili with beans after the $0.30 reduction from a month ago, which is still $0.90 cents more than I was paying for a can before Joe Biden* took office.

Fuck Joe Biden*

You guys are history.

You should find another hobby for your free time because you're going to be feeling nothing but pain for the next 4 years if you continue following politics.



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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

I never count pennies as Trumptards must do. Why? Things are always great for people in my class - the top 1%. In particular, Trump's election enriches people like me and Musk faster and faster, my consolation prize for Biden losing. I'll take the money:

Elon Musk spent $277 million on the election. His net worth has since increased more than $170 billion

Elon Musk’s net worth has climbed by more than $200 billion in 2024, a massive increase in the same year that the world’s richest person spent at least $277 million backing Donald Trump and other Republican candidates.

The bulk of the increase, more than $170 billion, has come since Election Day.

Trump’s election sent stock in electric automaker Tesla, a company central to Musk’s wealth and where he is CEO, soaring. Shares were trading at prices around 70 percent higher on Friday than on Election Day.

As of Friday, Musk’s fortune was about $442 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. That estimate includes a pay package from Tesla worth more than $50 billion that is held up in court after a Delaware judge ruled to strike it down in January and upheld her decision this month. Tesla has pledged to appeal.

Trump has indicated he will be friendly to businesses and investors of all kinds when he returns to office. Musk’s empire is poised to especially benefit from the president-elect’s promised cuts to regulation — and potentially also overt favors to the tech billionaire, who has become a loyal political lieutenant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/15/elon-musk-trump-ele
ction-wealth
/

6ix, you are the lemming going over the cliff, not Musk, not me. You.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 8:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody believes you're in the 1% goober.

And the 1% should be happy about that because you'd give them a bad name.


On a dead fan site for a show people forgot about a decade ago every free minute of every day shit talking down to middle class and poor people while telling them how fucking great you are.

You don't have better ways to spend your time with all that money?

Sure. You're in the 1%, buddy. You're the only guy in the 1% who's being called a goober by a guy who's doing just fine and hasn't worked a single day in 5 and a half years.

You're pathetic.



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Sunday, December 15, 2024 8:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody believes you're in the 1% goober.

And the 1% should be happy about that because you'd give them a bad name.


On a dead fan site for a show people forgot about a decade ago every free minute of every day shit talking down to middle class and poor people while telling them how fucking great you are.

You don't have better ways to spend your time with all that money?

Sure. You're in the 1%, buddy. You're the only guy in the 1% who's being called a goober by a guy who's doing just fine and hasn't worked a single day in 5 and a half years.

You're pathetic.

Why do you think Trumptards have so many anxieties? Specifically to you, worried about the price of canned chili. Drones for another example: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=66326

You are fearful because you are lemmings, small rodents, easy prey for the rich and powerful. Stay hidden in your burrow, little 6ixStringJack, or some big creature will fly down from the sky like a hawk or a drone and attack you.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 8:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The above post isn't even worth a reply whatsoever.

You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and see if there's even a shred of a decent person left in there.

I don't believe that anybody is completely irredeemable, but you are a near-decade long case study that is proving the opposite of my initial expectations when starting this little experiment.

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Sunday, December 15, 2024 9:56 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed every time SECOND finds itself boxed in by reality, it spews insults.

******

SECOND, we know you're crazy by the hate you spew, the lies you tell, the number of times you contradict yourself, and your ENDLESS self-aggrandizement and pathetic virtue signalling. You're crazier than a shithouse rat.

Get help.
Maybe the New Year will be better for you.
One can always hope.






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Monday, December 16, 2024 10:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The above post isn't even worth a reply whatsoever.

You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and see if there's even a shred of a decent person left in there.

I don't believe that anybody is completely irredeemable, but you are a near-decade long case study that is proving the opposite of my initial expectations when starting this little experiment.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

6ix and Signym talk like post-Civil War Confederates who were convinced the Union was wrong for imposing its values on the South. Why couldn't Lincoln just leave things to work out naturally, gradually, with slavery eventually fading away in a few centuries? It is an easy mindset for Americans who cannot recognize evil until it punches them hard in the face.

Lincoln had more struggle with his own side than with Confederates. Lincoln's general, George B. McClellan, was very diffident about pursuing the evil Confederates. McClellan even ran for President against Lincoln because he believed Lincoln was too aggressive against the Confederates who were merely protecting their state's rights and fighting for the freedom to live happily, which required owning slaves.

When Lincoln's vice-President and former slave-owner took over, he set about undoing what Lincoln had achieved. President Andrew Johnson couldn't see what was evil about the Confederate slave-owners because he had the same defective value system as the Southerners had.

Which brings us to today, where Trumptards can no more see what is evil about Trump than certain Northerners such as Lincoln's vice-President Andrew Johnson and General George B. McClellan could see what was evil in their own century. Democrats such as Biden and Harris let Trump's evil loose on America because evil didn't punch them in the face hard enough to get Biden's and Harris's full attention.


What Happened to the Democratic Party?

The squalid state of our present political institutions points to a failure of not just individuals but the system as a whole.

By Chris Lehmann

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-dealignmen
t-left-adrift-hollow-parties
/

. . . the Trump distemper never existed in isolation. It was a fundamental expression of a host of unresolved pathologies — many within the Democratic Party, too — and not an inexplicable detour from a serenely ordered status quo.

The final count shows that Trump again came up short of a majority of the popular vote. Still, it never should have been this close. Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump and the Republicans told us exactly who they are. They pledged to wreak vengeance on their political enemies, to create a new counter-federalist brigade of brownshirts to initiate mass deportations, to bomb Iran to smithereens, and to establish an interstate menstrual surveillance regime. Trump barked out random non sequiturs about windmills and Hannibal Lecter and bobbed silently to schlock-heavy playlists. He dogmatically asserted his faith in tariffs and their ability to magically eliminate inequality and create mass prosperity, even if they would do the opposite. And yet Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to mount a successful opposition. Harris refused to separate herself from Joe Biden’s unconscionable support for genocide in Gaza, and she put forward an economic platform that often devolved into a standard litany of milquetoast measures to uphold a starkly unequal status quo—from her squishiness on antitrust enforcement to her pandering to the crypto industry.

Where did the national political machine (and its operators and strategists) that was once called the Democratic Party go?

Much more at https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-party-dealignmen
t-left-adrift-hollow-parties
/

Books in review

Left Adrift: What Happened to Liberal Politics by Timothy Shenk

The Hollow Parties: The Many Pasts and Disordered Present of America’s Political Parties by Daniel Schlozman and Sam Rosenfeld

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Monday, December 16, 2024 10:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed every time SECOND finds itself boxed in by reality, it spews insults.

******

SECOND, we know you're crazy by the hate you spew, the lies you tell, the number of times you contradict yourself, and your ENDLESS self-aggrandizement and pathetic virtue signalling. You're crazier than a shithouse rat.

Get help.
Maybe the New Year will be better for you.
One can always hope.






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AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


Signym, you continue to use that fake quote attributed to Kissinger despite the full quote meaning exactly the opposite of your abbreviated version. That is not a minor complaint because your fake quote matches perfectly with Russia's propaganda about the US. Signym, you carry your depravity to the extreme by supporting Russia as it murders Ukrainians, justifying those murders by more fake quotes produced by Russia. Signym, you are very special but not in a good way.

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Monday, December 16, 2024 10:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The above post isn't even worth a reply whatsoever.

You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and see if there's even a shred of a decent person left in there.

I don't believe that anybody is completely irredeemable, but you are a near-decade long case study that is proving the opposite of my initial expectations when starting this little experiment.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

6ix and Signym talk like



You talk like a bible thumping know-it-all who never did anything wrong in his life.

Everybody you have ever known in real life hates you just like everyone you've ever known online.

I suspect that this is the reason that you're spending all your free time reading anti-trump news and posting here when you are supposedly one of the 1%. It makes no difference that you have all of that money with all of this free time because you have absolutely NOBODY who wants to share that time with you despite the fact that you could buy them the moon.

You are living proof that just because you have money doesn't mean that you are happy.

You just keep working for more though until the day you die so you can continue lording that over everyone else.



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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My god...

Could you imagine growing up in Second's household, Sigs?


His wife and his daughters and even his cats pray in secret everyday that he just finally dies and they can have his money without gagging on his metaphorical cock everyday for it.

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You talk like a bible thumping know-it-all who never did anything wrong in his life.

Everybody you have ever known in real life hates you just like everyone you've ever known online.

I suspect that this is the reason that you're spending all your free time reading anti-trump news and posting here when you are supposedly one of the 1%. It makes no difference that you have all of that money with all of this free time because you have absolutely NOBODY who wants to share that time with you despite the fact that you could buy them the moon.

You are living proof that just because you have money doesn't mean that you are happy.

You just keep working for more though until the day you die so you can continue lording that over everyone else.



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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

This is the same argument you make constantly: that 6ixStringJack can't be judged other than by a perfect God. It's Monday and until noon nearly every male Trumptard here at work will obviously be showing signs of their drunken debauchery over the weekend. I don't have to be perfect to see what is wrong with these apes. Or with Trump, the rapist, tax-cheater, and general lunatic.

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

You talk like a bible thumping know-it-all who never did anything wrong in his life.

Everybody you have ever known in real life hates you just like everyone you've ever known online.

I suspect that this is the reason that you're spending all your free time reading anti-trump news and posting here when you are supposedly one of the 1%. It makes no difference that you have all of that money with all of this free time because you have absolutely NOBODY who wants to share that time with you despite the fact that you could buy them the moon.

You are living proof that just because you have money doesn't mean that you are happy.

You just keep working for more though until the day you die so you can continue lording that over everyone else.



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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

This is the same argument you make constantly: that 6ixStringJack can't be judged other than by a perfect God.



That makes us both consistent. Because it's the same argument I make constantly every time you make your dipshit argument that I respond to.

You can go ahead and judge me all day long. You've been doing it for at least 8 years now. Possibly much longer than that, but I can't speak for what when on while I was drinking.

I just don't give a single shit about your judgements. I encourage anyone else to ignore you and not take any of your bile to heart as well.

Quote:

It's Monday and until noon nearly every male Trumptard here at work will obviously be showing signs of their drunken debauchery over the weekend. I don't have to be perfect to see what is wrong with these apes. Or with Trump, the rapist, tax-cheater, and general lunatic.


Dude. We know you're playing Minecraft and your employees are NPCs. Or maybe I got that wrong and you're oldschool and it's actually something like Rollercoaster Tycoon that you've got up on the 2nd screen while you're shit posting here.


Don't think that me humoring your delusions the last few days in here and the Cinema board is me finally admitting that you're in the 1%. I've been doing that because your arguments about pretty much everything crack and fall apart if you are in the 1% and I find that hilarious.

The biggest reason that nobody believes that you are a 1%er is because that would make your behavior here 1,000 times more pathetic than it already is if you were just an average joe like the rest of us average joes and janes just getting by.

If I were the praying type I'd be praying that you weren't in the 1%. Because as much as I don't care for you, even I would cringe knowing what you were doing with all your free time when you could be doing literally anything else.

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

That makes us both consistent. Because it's the same argument I make constantly every time you make your dipshit argument that I respond to.

I won't tell the Trumptards the truth that I smell what they have been doing in their spare time. It would freak them out that my nose detects what they ate, whether they bathed, the alcohol, etc. And if I told them what they had been doing, it would discourage them; it is already hard enough getting them going in the morning without making them depressed that I know their shameful little "secrets" and Trump's "secrets", too. But 6ix, you are different. Business is not affected by your moods. I can kick your ass for fun. If I kicked these dumb critters for what they are, they'd be running around in circles, screeching like the monkeys they are. (There is a noteworthy performance difference between the anti-Trumptards and the Trumptards, just for the record.)

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I noticed every time SECOND finds itself boxed in by reality, it spews insults.

******

SECOND, we know you're crazy by the hate you spew, the lies you tell, the number of times you contradict yourself, and your ENDLESS self-aggrandizement and pathetic virtue signalling. You're crazier than a shithouse rat.

Get help.
Maybe the New Year will be better for you.
One can always hope.






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AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


Signym, you continue to use that fake quote attributed to Kissinger despite the full quote meaning exactly the opposite of your abbreviated version. That is not a minor complaint because your fake quote matches perfectly with Russia's propaganda about the US. Signym, you carry your depravity to the extreme by supporting Russia as it murders Ukrainians, justifying those murders by more fake quotes produced by Russia. Signym, you are very special but not in a good way.

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SECOND'S programming is breaking. Pretty soon it'll be spitting out random letters.

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

That makes us both consistent. Because it's the same argument I make constantly every time you make your dipshit argument that I respond to.

I won't tell the Trumptards the truth that I smell what they have been doing in their spare time. It would freak them out that my nose detects what they ate, whether they bathed, the alcohol, etc. And if I told them what they had been doing, it would discourage them; it is already hard enough getting them going in the morning without making them depressed that I know their shameful little "secrets" and Trump's "secrets", too. But 6ix, you are different. Business is not affected by your moods. I can kick your ass for fun. If I kicked these dumb critters for what they are, they'd be running around in circles, screeching like the monkeys they are. (There is a noteworth performance difference between the anti-Trumptards and the Trumptards, just for the record.)

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No

body

cares.





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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND'S programming is breaking. Pretty soon it'll be spitting out random letters.





It's been entertaining.


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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:37 AM

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6ix, do you realize that Tupac Amaru Shakur, also known by his stage names 2Pac, has been dead since 1996? If somebody other than God had judged 2Pac and forced him to NOT be a fucking idiot, he'd be alive, today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#Murder_and_aftermath

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
6ix, do you realize that Tupac Amaru Shakur, also known by his stage names 2Pac, has been dead since 1996? If somebody other than God had judged 2Pac and forced him to NOT be a fucking idiot, he'd be alive, today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#Murder_and_aftermath

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Oh gee. Now that you put it that way...

THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH FOR TRYING TO SAVE ME!!!!!


lol.

Get fucked dude.



I did wonder why you seem especially triggered by me recently though, and I thought maybe it was my signature.

I think 6 weeks is long enough to get the point across after 4 years of telling you that Trump would be fine and he'd also be your next President.


How do you like my new signature?

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Monday, December 16, 2024 11:46 AM

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How do you like my new signature?

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"My only fear of death is coming back to this bitch reincarnated." ~Tupac Shakur

I assume you don't realize that Trump is a bigger idiot than Tupac, who dropped his gun which was immediately followed by the death of 6 year old. Who would draw and drop a gun, other than a complete idiot?

A conflict broke out and Shakur allegedly drew a legally carried Colt Mustang but dropped it on the ground. Shakur claimed that someone with him then picked it up when it accidentally discharged. About 100 yards (90 meters) away in a schoolyard, Qa'id Walker-Teal, a boy aged 6 on his bicycle, was fatally shot in the forehead. Police matched the bullet to a .38-caliber pistol registered to Shakur. His stepbrother Maurice Harding was arrested in suspicion of having fired the gun, but no charges were filed. Lack of witnesses stymied prosecution. In 1995, Qa'id's mother filed a wrongful death suit against Shakur, which was settled for about $300,000 to $500,000. (Trump has settled many lawsuits without admitting guilt for what he did.)

Donald Trump: Three decades 4,095 lawsuits
https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/

Personal and business legal affairs of Donald Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_D
onald_Trump


I am pleased to say that the people I know who are depraved as Trump voted for Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.
https://www.google.com/search?q=depraved

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Monday, December 16, 2024 1:28 PM

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I am pleased to say that the people I know who are depraved as Trump voted for Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.



Oh good. You can sleep soundly at night by googling the absolute worst that humanity has to offer, focusing specifically and exclusively on people who don't agree with your politics.

I was wondering how evil people got any sleep.

The more you know.



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Monday, December 16, 2024 4:02 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I am pleased to say that the people I know who are depraved as Trump voted for Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.



Oh good. You can sleep soundly at night by googling the absolute worst that humanity has to offer, focusing specifically and exclusively on people who don't agree with your politics.

I was wondering how evil people got any sleep.

I wonder how evil people miss Trump's meaning:

Mr. Trump also said that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will cut $2 trillion out of the $6.8 trillion annual federal budget and “it’ll have no impact on people.” In fact, if you rule out cuts to Social Security, Medicare and defense, as Mr. Trump has, cutting $2 trillion would require shutting down almost the entire federal government.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/16/us/politics/trump-drones-border-aut
ism.html


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Monday, December 16, 2024 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
I am pleased to say that the people I know who are depraved as Trump voted for Trump. Birds of a feather flock together.



Oh good. You can sleep soundly at night by googling the absolute worst that humanity has to offer, focusing specifically and exclusively on people who don't agree with your politics.

I was wondering how evil people got any sleep.

I wonder how evil people miss Trump's meaning



Yeah. Me too.

Do us a favor. Look in a mirror and ask yourself this question.

Film yourself with your phone camera while doing this.

If you are unable to keep the camera steady while doing this, enlist the help of your imaginary wife, one of your imaginary daughters or one of your probably very real cats and have them hold the phone for you while you do this.

Upload to YouTube and provide us with the link.

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Trump is canceling his trip to Jersey because he's afraid of the drones! And a moron!

Q: Can you comment on the drones that are flying around with New Jersey ports? It seems like the American people have a big—

Donald Trump: The government knows what is happening. Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went, and for some reason they don't want to comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our military knows and our president knows, and for some reason they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy because if it was the enemy, they'd blast it out. Even if they were late, they'd blast it. Something strange is going on. For some reason they don't want to tell the people and they should because the people are really… I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster, want to know the truth.... They're very close to Bedminster. I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided to cancel my trip.

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-press-conference-with-sof
tbank-ceo-12-16-24


Who else is afraid, other than Trump?
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Jesus christ... Can we outlaw the fuckin' drones already?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=66326

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Trump is canceling his trip to Jersey because he's afraid of the drones! And a moron!



Have you been shot at twice this year already?

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