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REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
As Palestinians pushes for statehood, Israel finds itself more isolated
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:46 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:There are links between nations, cordial relations, firm bonds, alliances and strategic partnerships. But what Turkey and Israel had in mind just four years ago was something akin to being joined at the hip. The plan was to snake an extraordinary "infrastructure corridor" from Ceyhan in Turkey's south to Haifa in Israel's north, a thick bundle of pipes carrying crude oil in one, electricity in another, natural gas in yet another and in the fourth, a steady flow of fresh, sweet water, all thrumming along the floor of the Mediterranean Sea. Not only would these pipes serve as ties that bind two nations, but they would also show the world that a Muslim country could tether itself to the Jewish state, to their mutual benefit. Which makes the events of the past few weeks all the more worrisome for Israel. With dizzying speed, Turkey has gone from offering oil and gas to Israel to threatening to send gunboats to the Gaza Strip to protect activists seeking to break Israel's naval blockade of the Palestinian territory. Enraged by Israel's refusal to apologize for its killing of eight Turks (and one Turkish American) on board a blockade-busting ferry last year, Ankara has ejected Israel's ambassador, downgraded diplomatic relations and imposed military sanctions on its former ally. And that "infrastructure corridor"? It's now a mere pipe dream. This conspicuous unfriending could hardly come at a worse time for Israel. As representatives of 193 nations gather in New York City for their annual U.N. conclave, Palestinian leaders are polishing a statehood proposal that would change the fundamental terms of the Middle East's core conflict, possibly putting them on the same legal footing as Israel. With most of the world sympathetic to the Palestinians, waylaying their application for statehood will require Israel to deploy diplomatic skills of the highest order. But its preparations have not been going well. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warmed up for the big event by alienating the U.S. President, at once misquoting and lecturing Obama during Netanyahu's visit to Washington in May. Then there's the Arab Spring, which knocked over the Arab neighbor Israel relied on most, Egypt's Hosni Mubarak; last week, the Israeli embassy was attacked by protesters in Cairo while the riot police stood by. The spectacular collapse of the Turkey alliance makes three strikes. The game's not over. Obama still plans to use the U.S. veto in the Security Council to deny Palestinians full membership. But they could take the matter to the General Assembly, where a vote would likely be lopsided, leaving Israel looking conspicuously isolated. Israelis approach the threats one at a time. The Netanyahu government is avoiding a diplomatic contre temps with Egypt, since the 1979 peace treaty between the two countries is crucial to Israel's defense. The U.N. is easier to criticize, and most Israelis feel it is generally biased toward the Palestinians. "We don't like the U.N.," says Daniel Reisner, a longtime peace negotiator and international-law specialist. "We don't trust it." And Turkey? In a country where new homes are built with bomb shelters, diplomatic conflict is easily dismissed. "Turkey, Burkey," said Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual leader of the Shas party, a key member of Netanyahu's ruling coalition. "God Almighty couldn't care less about them. Who are they anyway?" Although Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was once hailed as a vital ally, many Israelis now regard him as a neo-Ottoman, out to revive Turkish leadership of the Muslim world by beating up on the Jewish state. That's certainly how they perceived Erdogan's performance in Cairo, where he said in a Sept. 13 speech to the Arab League that Israel must "pay a price for its aggression and crimes" and that supporting Palestinian statehood was "not a choice but an obligation." Israel, he said, is "the West's spoiled child." Across town, Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas was meeting with the European Union's Foreign Minister, working on a strategy to avoid the U.S. veto in the Security Council. The Europeans were urging Abbas to settle for the status of a "nonmember observer state," akin to that of the Vatican, which he could get from a vote in the General Assembly — thus avoiding the U.S. veto in the Security Council. That would be no consolation to Israel, however, because it would very likely give Palestine access to the International Criminal Court. There, it could bring charges against Israel for building settlements on occupied territory and allegedly driving out Palestinians — it would argue that this amounts to a war crime. That changes things. Even if Abbas promises (as a condition of E.U. support) not to rush to the Hague, the mere fact that he could do so hands Palestinians new leverage in peace talks. Not that the Palestinians are anywhere near ready for talks. For negotiations with Israel to have real meaning, Abbas' Fatah party must first reconcile with Hamas, uniting the West Bank and Gaza into one entity after new elections promised in May. But intra-Palestinian parleys have stalled: the two parties can't even agree on the time of day. Literally. In Gaza City, a university associated with Fatah keeps daylight time, while the Hamas school next door sets its clock with Egypt, an hour behind. "We are one people," wails Rewaa Fanouna, 21. "We ought to be united at least on the time!" In any event, what Palestinians want most, after 44 years of Israeli occupation, is something the U.N. bid cannot deliver: immediate change on the ground. Israel, meanwhile, seems unperturbed by the loss of so many friends. Netanyahu seemed willing to sour relations with the White House because he was confident it would play well back home: his selective quotation of Obama's call for a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders (leaving out the crucial qualifier "land swaps") was a hit with the Israeli public. ..... But it's not clear if Obama can head the Palestinians off at the pass in New York City. Averting a U.N. vote would depend on a credible promise of progress in peace talks, but Netanyahu has continued to sanction the steady expansion of the settlements on the West Bank. The White House has repeatedly asked him to freeze the construction of settlements on occupied land, and the Palestinians say they won't sit down to talks while the building continues. "From what we see, the construction is speeding even in settlements deeper in the West Bank," says Hagit Ofran of Peace Now, an Israeli group that monitors settlement construction. "So it doesn't seem, at least on the ground, the government is doing anything in favor of peace." More at http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2093351,00.html the back of my head, echoes of "Where do we go...from here?" There NEEDS to be a Palestinian state, but it sounds like Israel has become so big-headed there's no hope for one. Awfully sad.
Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:50 AM
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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:32 PM
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Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:51 PM
ANTHONYT
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Friday, April 7, 2023 4:10 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Saturday, October 7, 2023 2:42 PM
Saturday, October 7, 2023 3:41 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, October 7, 2023 5:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Israeli Jews, for the most part, are NOT democracy -loving liberal westerners.
Saturday, October 7, 2023 7:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: People still get me wrong Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Israeli Jews, for the most part, are NOT democracy -loving liberal westerners. LMFAO
Quote:I typically say F--K Them Both!
Sunday, October 8, 2023 11:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Shall I pull up thread after thread after thread of YOURS where you constantly demonize and denigrate ALL Muslims, not just the Saudi-influenced Wahhabists?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Could you find an equivalent number of your posts demonizing Zionists?
Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:40 PM
Quote:;Within three years, (of 1907) about 10,000 dunums, an old land measurement equivalent to acres, had been acquired in the Marj Bin Amer region of northern Palestine, forcing out 60,000 local farmers to accommodate Jewish arrivals from Europe and Yemen. ... In January 1915, Liberal Party politician Herbert Samuel drafted his secret memo The Future of Palestine, which was circulated among the Cabinet and in which he backed annexation and the country gradually becoming an autonomous Jewish state under the protectorship of the British Empire. ... The British government’s Balfour Declaration followed on 9 November 1917, formally declaring support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine in a letter between David Lloyd George’s foreign secretary Arthur Balfour and Jewish community leader Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, effectively assuming ownership over a land that many would argue it had no legal right to give away.
Quote: As the decade progressed, mass protests began to erupt opposing Jewish immigration as the Palestinian movement tried in vain to counter and resist what its members considered a usurpation backed by the military and diplomatic muscle of imperial Britain.
Quote: Gaza is in essence a refugee camp (about 70 percent of those living in Gaza come from families displaced from the 1948 war) and an open-air prison, according to human rights groups. The United Nations describes the occupied territory as a “chronic humanitarian crisis.” Israel has blockaded Gaza since Hamas assumed control of the territory in 2007, and neighboring Egypt to the south has also imposed severe restrictions on movement.
Sunday, October 8, 2023 9:15 PM
Quote:What's happening in Israel is not decolonization. It's the rage of an empire that once colonized the entire Middle East, North Africa, the Levant and parts of Europe, lashing out against a people who reestablished their indigenous homeland against all odds.
Quote:Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the U.S. dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: That's Imperial Britain for you!
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And fuck the people who were already living there.
Monday, October 9, 2023 3:49 AM
Monday, October 9, 2023 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: It also does very little good to have a large army if that army is not as well trained and motivated as the army of your enemy. I think anyone who wants to march into Israel will have to pave the road with their own blood. Israel does not have the largest army in their region, but I believe they do have one of the most effective.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: before Jews from Europe took it over
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: French and the rest of Europe should just... yanno.,.. welcome their new inhabitants?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There WERE people living there ... Muslims AND JEWS... before Jews from Europe took it over,
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Also, JAYNZE, I don't appreciate by extensively MISQUOTED (Among other things, that whole riff about Palestine being a "proud nation"), which you did frequently and with gusto,
Monday, October 9, 2023 12:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Not every muslim is a terrorist, sometimes individual muslims can have a quality. Sometimes both are one and the same but sometimes the Jewish can be a slight improvement I'm no fan of the Jewish State its disproportionate response overwhelming fire power against some nasty kids throwing rocks. However look at the other team, the culture of SHITLAMICS are constant losers, it is a bad idea to support the culture.
Quote: Right now there are clips of islamics going home to home and shooting motehrs and fathers, they are killing older mouthy sisters that disrespected al-Lah in front of their little Jewish brothers and sisters, hijacking family and live streaming, inflicting trauma upon children in social media videos you can see islamics going around door to door to Jewish homes and killing and hijacking and abducting and taking people hostage
Quote: Maybe there will be worse to come, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS style beheadings of captured people as Israel gets ready to counter and it will hit back with huge force
Quote: JAYNZE A number of people allege they say US made guns in social media feeds
Quote: JAYNZE Some also say all that equipment left behind in Afghanistan, some of it is going through Iran and making it all the way into Palestine
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: before Jews from Europe took it over JAYNZE: Jews are from North Africa, the Horn of Africa, they are even in Hindu India regions today,
Quote: they were still in Arabia and yes also in Europe and do you know what many of them had in common, after WW2 there was lots of sympathy for them and many of them wanted a State almost they all wanted a Jewish State, Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi Jewish populations of the Jew diaspora which even today show significant amounts of shared Genetic DNA and Middle Eastern ancestry.
Quote: JAYNZE blah blah blah SIGNYM: French and the rest of Europe should just... yanno.,.. welcome their new inhabitants? JAYNZE: France is a disaster now, the French probably will do some kind of surrender before some other culture like the USA comes in once again to save their ass and bail them out, they have become a pathetic people and have not truly won a war in many years, they could not stop Rwanda genociding itself, they sometimes win against a random village in Africa with some wannabe Dictator-General they did win against Libya but needed backing from the USA, NATO, the British and the aftermath caused a flooding of millions of islamic immigrants to Europe and gun running to ISIS Mali they don't know what to do and France has collapsed so many times and it will soon be in its Sixth Republic now? Poland has fight left in it Sweden, not sure sometimes in history if you do not fight for your land you do not keep it,
Quote: JAYNZE: And like I said there were people and cultures there BEFORE the arrival of jihad Muslims and go back again before the arrival of Jews there were people before them.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Also, JAYNZE, I don't appreciate by extensively MISQUOTED (Among other things, that whole riff about Palestine being a "proud nation"), which you did frequently and with gusto, JAYNZE: I'm not quoting you but I'm quoting an article and referring to many of the Left during the Bush and Obama and Trump years here.
Quote: JAYNZE: There are places I could quote you. You claim to know the faiths in the region but still will not tell me what kind of person this 'Mahomet' or Moohammad was who founded islam?
Monday, October 9, 2023 2:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The only way to do that is by ship or air. Gaza doesn't have an airport and its small port facility is controlled by Israel. The only thing I can figure is that weapons are being sent to Egypt and smuggled via tunnel into Gaza.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stop trying to distract from the actual history that it was primarily Jews FROM EUROPE who colonized Gaza.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: From what I gather, Mohammed was originally something of an outcast, and he preached a tolerant version of Islam.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno what they say, JAYNZE: If you say something and then say "BUT" or "HOWEVER" (or equivalent) you've negated everything you just said and are about the say the opposite.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can you tell me who "Jesus" was, or even if he existed? Who founded Judaism? Who founded Hindusim?
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you look at Xtian history, it's one of barbarism (Crusades, endless war between religious sects, colonization, exploitation, genocide, torture... Xtianity can't exactly claim to be a religion of peace and love either, no matter WHAT the New Testament says.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: IMHO the reason why Israel uses disproportionate and overwhelming force is because they KNOW they did wrong.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The Saudis ... our friends... are particularly warlike and some of the Royal Family fund this kind of nonsense.
Monday, October 9, 2023 8:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: Why are jihadi islamic young hooligan Palestinians so troublesome when compared to other Arabs or Druze living in the Heights.
Quote: Arabian polytheism, the dominant form of religion in pre-Islamic Arabia, was based on veneration of deities and spirits. Worship was directed to various gods and goddesses, including Hubal and the goddesses al-Lat, al-‘Uzza, and Manat, at local shrines and temples such as the Kaaba in Mecca. Deities were venerated and invoked through a variety of rituals, including pilgrimages and divination, as well as ritual sacrifice. Different theories have been proposed regarding the role of Allah in Meccan religion. Many of the physical descriptions of the pre-Islamic gods are traced to idols, especially near the Kaaba, which is said to have contained up to 360 of them.
Tuesday, October 10, 2023 11:57 AM
Quote: Let me make something clear up front. The Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians on Saturday, especially the massacre of the kids dancing in the desert, is a war crime and should be punished in the same way that those responsible for executing Ukrainian Jews at Babi Yar were punished. Those responsible include the shooters, the military planners and the commanders responsible for that operation. Ditto for those who have abused captives. A captured civilian must be treated as a non-combatant and not harmed. While I understand the grief and outrage of Israelis and their supporters around the world, anyone calling for the mass slaughter of the people who live in Gaza also are supporting a potential war crime. Here is the appropriate military response– You punish those who planned, organized, funded or carried out attacks against civilian targets. You do not wantonly kill civilians. The Hamas attack on Israeli military positions, by contrast, is not a war crime. Just good old fashioned, ugly war.
Tuesday, October 10, 2023 12:42 PM
Quote: Outrage After Israel Told Gazans To Flee To Egypt, Then Bombed Lone Border Crossing Tuesday, Oct 10, 2023 - 08:20 AM On Tuesday morning Israel bombed the Rafah crossing in the Gaza Strip, which is the only border crossing that Palestinians are able to use to flee to Egypt. Hamas has claimed that the crossing has now been rendered impassable. "The Israel Defense Forces said Tuesday afternoon that it hit an underground tunnel for smuggling weapons and equipment in the Rafah area, on the Egypt-Gaza border, but did not confirm or deny hitting the crossing itself," the Times of Israel is reporting. . . . In the Gaza Strip, the death toll continues to soar as mostly civilians are experiencing the brunt of the retaliation after the Hamas terror campaign of the last days, with the the Palestinian health ministry saying the number of people killed has risen to 830, with 4,250 wounded, as cited in Al Jazeera. Total blackout in Gaza as Israel has declared full siege... Hospitals in Gaza are also reportedly overwhelmed, as gruesome scenes of wounded and dead men, women, and children continue to come out of the war-ravaged strip. Rhetoric out of Israeli officials has continued to dehumanize all Palestinians in the strip, in an attempt to provide cover for the mass bombing campaign of militants and civilians alike...
Quote: Gaza under 'complete siege' as Israel cuts food, water, electricity
Quote: Zelensky Bizarrely Blames The Israel-Gaza Conflict On Putin "Russia is interested in triggering a war in the Middle East." pic.twitter.com/uww0EeF3i2
Tuesday, October 10, 2023 12:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Because I could ask: If JESUS was so tolerant, why was he crucified??
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stop lumping everyone into one basket. That's ignorance and prejudice.
Tuesday, October 10, 2023 1:29 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, October 11, 2023 1:16 PM
Quote: U.S. Plans To Ethnically Cleanse Gaza This is, presumably, the U.S.-Israeli plan for the Palestinian people in Gaza: Harry Sisson @harryjsisson - 1:44 UTC · Oct 11, 2023 Amazing: President Biden is working on a plan with other countries that would allow civilians to safely leave Gaza and cross the border into Egypt. This is great news. President Biden is making sure that innocent people don’t die due to the actions of Hamas. That’s leadership. No, it is not leadership. It is ethnic cleansing, a war crime disguised as humanitarian gesture. It is ethnic cleansing of people who's land has been stolen by Zionist settlers. These people would have no right of return to the homes and land they once owned. People who have been put into an open air prison, who have no access to electricity, water and food and are currently under intense attacks.
Wednesday, October 11, 2023 1:22 PM
Quote: NATO Condemns Hamas 'Terrorist Attacks' Against Israel By AFP - Agence France Presse October 7, 2023 The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation condemned Saturday "terrorist attacks by Hamas against NATO partner Israel" , a spokesman for the defence alliance said.
Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:09 PM
Quote: Israel Bombs Damascus & Aleppo Airports Before Iran's Foreign Minister Due To Arrive
Quote: Shortly thereafter, an elite group of U.S. foreign-policy wonks concocted a manifesto for the new administration in Tel Aviv ... It was called “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” The membership of the “Clean Breaker” ‘club’ is notable. It included certain neoconservative luminaries who would later take up important positions within the George W Bush administration. After the events of 9/11, they went on to play forceful roles in the development and roll-out of its Greater Middle East policy, one whose disastrous legacy is still very much a work in progress. According to Anti-War’s Dan Sanchez, the ‘Clean Breakers’ — including leader Richard Perle, David Wurmser, along with Douglas Feith and John Bolton and others — nominated Iraq first as a candidate for regime change. After Iraq, Libya and Yemen would then become ‘stepping-stones’ to overthrowing Bashar al-Assad in Syria, with Iran next on the list. As Sanchez says, the essence of the Clean Break manifesto went like this: “The weight of its strategic allies would tip the balance of power in favor of Israel, which could then use that leverage to topple the regimes of its strategic adversaries by using covertly managed ‘proxy forces’ and ‘the principle of preemption.’ Through such a ‘redrawing of the map of the Middle East,’ Israel would ‘shape the regional environment,’ and thus, ‘[Israel] will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them.'”
Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:30 PM
Quote: IDF Spokesperson Jonathan Conricus said at the time, "Attacks, rockets were fired from Syria into Israel.
Thursday, October 12, 2023 4:15 PM
Quote:How Israel helped create Hamas https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
Thursday, October 12, 2023 4:30 PM
Thursday, October 12, 2023 6:09 PM
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, October 13, 2023 12:59 AM
Quote: Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank...”
Friday, October 13, 2023 1:13 AM
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Friday, October 13, 2023 1:47 PM
Friday, October 13, 2023 5:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Sure. Don't blame the actual murderers for murder. I'll bet Democrats and NeoCons in America are eating this right up. Yanno... after a few decades of calling anybody who questioned if our own Government did the same thing on 9/11 conspiracy theorists. What can you believe? Pretty much nothing. The 99.9% of people on this planet will never actually know what's really happening on any given day.
Friday, October 13, 2023 11:14 PM
Quote: Early Intelligence Shows Hamas Attack Surprised Iranian Leaders, U.S. Says The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas attack in Israel, information that has fueled U.S. doubts that Iran played a direct role in planning the assault, according to several American officials. The United States, Israel and key regional allies have not found evidence that Iran directly helped plan the attack, according to the U.S. officials, an Israeli official and another official in the Middle East.
Friday, October 13, 2023 11:27 PM
Quote: Palestinians rallied to the call to safeguard the Holy Mosque. It was not just Hamas; it was West Bank Palestinians and (for the first time, too, 1948 Palestinians who have Israeli passports) who all rose up to protect Al-Aqsa. Just to be clear, the rallying cry was not for Hamas; it was not for Palestinian nationalism. It was for Al-Aqsa -- an icon that goes to the heart of what it is to be Muslim (Sunni or Shi’a). It was a cry that resonated across the entire Islamic sphere. Did the West not get it? Apparently not. It was right under their nose, but super high-tech Intel doesn’t do symbolic meaning. That was true for the 2006 Lebanon war too, by the way; "Israel" could not grasp the symbolism of Hezballah’s ‘Karbala’ stand. In the intervening period, "Israel" has shattered into two equally weighted factions holding to two irreconcilable visions of "Israel’s" future; two mutually opposing readings of history and of what it means to be Jewish. The fissure could not be more complete. Except it is. One faction, which holds a majority in parliament, is broadly Mizrahi -- a former underclass in Israeli society; and the other, largely well-to-do liberal Ashkenazi. So, what has this to do with Al-Aqsa Flood? Well, the Right in Netanyahu’s government has two long-standing commitments. One is to rebuild the (Jewish) Temple on ‘Temple Mount’ (Haram al-Shariff). Just to be clear, that would entail demolishing Al-Aqsa. The second overriding commitment is to the founding of "Israel", on the "Land of Israel". And again, to be clear, this (in their view) would entail clearing Palestinians from the West Bank. Indeed, the settlers have been cleansing Palestinians from swaths of the West Bank over the past year (notably between Ramallah and Jehrico). On Thursday morning (two days preceding Al-Aqsa Flood), more than 800 settlers stormed the Mosque Compound, under the full protection of Israeli forces. The drumbeat of such provocations is rising.
Saturday, October 14, 2023 1:52 AM
Saturday, October 14, 2023 6:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Sounds like we could learn a few lessons about clearing out illegal invaders out of our country from Israel. America needs to sit down and STFU and let this play out. At least it seems that the Democrat run shitholes had high police presence today. I haven't heard of anything bad happening as of yet. Also, Hungary, France and Germany of all places put down a ban on any Pro-Palestinian demonstrations. It ain't much, but it's a start. I never thought I'd see the day. It's time for every European nation to drive any sub-human Muslim mongrel out of their countries once and for all.
Saturday, October 14, 2023 12:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Sounds like we could learn a few lessons about clearing out illegal invaders out of our country from Israel. America needs to sit down and STFU and let this play out. At least it seems that the Democrat run shitholes had high police presence today. I haven't heard of anything bad happening as of yet. Also, Hungary, France and Germany of all places put down a ban on any Pro-Palestinian demonstrations. It ain't much, but it's a start. I never thought I'd see the day. It's time for every European nation to drive any sub-human Muslim mongrel out of their countries once and for all.6ix, you are [not] a brilliant tactician to suggest handling illegal aliens in the US the same way Israel handles its illegal alien problem: The Israeli air force on Thursday said it had dropped 6,000 bombs against Hamas targets so far — a staggering number over the course of six days, according to warfare experts.
Saturday, October 14, 2023 1:06 PM
Quote: A matter of life and death: water runs out for 2 million people in Gaza No humanitarian supplies have been allowed into Gaza for a week “It is a must; fuel needs to be delivered now into #Gaza to make water available for 2 million people”- UN RWA
Saturday, October 14, 2023 2:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Israel controls Gaza's access to water, food, electricity and fuel, making Gaza the biggest open-air prison in the world SIX, since you buck being controlled by "the man" surely you can understand how Gazans feel about being completely under Israel's boot. And since Israel shut off all of them, Gaza is RUNNING OUT OF WATER, according to the UN:
Saturday, October 14, 2023 2:18 PM
Saturday, October 14, 2023 2:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Israel controls Gaza's access to water, food, electricity and fuel, making Gaza the biggest open-air prison in the world SIX, since you buck being controlled by "the man" surely you can understand how Gazans feel about being completely under Israel's boot. And since Israel shut off all of them, Gaza is RUNNING OUT OF WATER, according to the UN... SIX: They are animals who had their brains hollowed out by a backwards and extremely violent religion. They're a bunch of murderers, rapists and pedophiles who are not only forgiven by their "god" for such behavior, but their "god" encourages it. Fuck Muslims.
Quote: I'm no fan of Israel either, and I've never been comfortable with our relationship with them. Cut them all off. No money. No arms. No munitions for anyone. Let them fuck each other up, with sticks and stones if it is still going on after the ordinance runs out, and we'll deal with whoever is left if they decide then that they want to bring their shit here.
Quote: SIX: Meanwhile, round them all up here along with the rest of the illegal invaders currently camping out in America on the Taxpayer's dime and make them Mexico's problem. If Mexico doesn't like it, tough shit. They better build a wall and make sure everybody in the world knows that they're not coming up to America through their country.
Saturday, October 14, 2023 3:21 PM
Quote:The current lethal iteration of Israeli/Palestinian Kabuki started, as far as the media and public opinion is concerned, with the Hamas attack last Saturday on young Israelis celebrating Sukkot in the arid fields adjacent to the Gaza Strip and the invasion of settlements and Israeli military outposts along that border. Hamas rightly earned the condemnation of most countries for the mass killing of civilians. If Hamas had only attacked Israeli military targets it would have been in a stronger political position as far as international opinion is concerned. But, Hamas has a long history of shooting itself in the proverbial foot. The second act in this play was a flood of propaganda and emotional reactions. Israel was quick out of the starting gate with the now debunked claim that Hamas beheaded forty Jewish babies. That upped the outrage quotient, especially in American and Europe, to levels not seen since the Black September attack on Israeli olympians in Munich in 1972. Ukrainian flags disappeared throughout the West and the standard of Israel was unfurled in symbolic shows of support. Now comes the third act. Israel sabotages itself by carrying out “retaliatory strikes” that, instead of blowing up military targets, kills journalists, children and mothers. Those images (such as the ones below) spread around the Islamic world, adding fuel to outrage and building sympathy for Palestinian claims that they are victims of genocide. Israel’s demand that the Palestinians in the northern refugee camps in the Gaza Strip abandon their homes and flee to the south simply adds to the narrative that Israel is the bad guy in this conflict. Barring a new Hamas attack on Israeli civilians, the political momentum is swinging back in Hamas’s favor. The three images/videos that follow illustrate what I am talking about: Today, for example, Israel bombed a civilian column heading south as requested by Israel. Most people in the West will not see this video but muslims around the world will.
Quote: An Al Jazeeras cameraman, along with two of his colleagues, also was shredded by an Israeli bomb on their vehicle:
Quote:Israel Defense Forces launched preemptive air strikes that crippled the air forces of Egypt and its allies. Israel then staged a successful ground offensive and seized the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.
Quote: Living in the “West,” consuming what passes for mainstream media in the West, it would be almost as hard to understand the motives and methods of the Jewish Fighting Organization in 1943 by reading Nazi propaganda as it would be to understand Hamas today through the western media’s distorted lens. We can start with where they start the narrative. Very predictably, because their narratives always start the same way. It always begins with “Hamas launched an attack.”
Saturday, October 14, 2023 6:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Israel controls Gaza's access to water, food, electricity and fuel, making Gaza the biggest open-air prison in the world SIX, since you buck being controlled by "the man" surely you can understand how Gazans feel about being completely under Israel's boot. And since Israel shut off all of them, Gaza is RUNNING OUT OF WATER, according to the UN... SIX: They are animals who had their brains hollowed out by a backwards and extremely violent religion. They're a bunch of murderers, rapists and pedophiles who are not only forgiven by their "god" for such behavior, but their "god" encourages it. Fuck Muslims. No, they're not. Not all Muslims are head-chopping backbirths. Just like not all Republicans are rabid pro-corporatist warmongers with blood on their teeth. Unfortunately Saudis funded a lot of extremist madrases with their enormous wealth, but many places outside of Saudi influence are quite reasonable. Hamas, BTW, and Saudi Arabia don't get along.
Quote:Quote: I'm no fan of Israel either, and I've never been comfortable with our relationship with them. Cut them all off. No money. No arms. No munitions for anyone. Let them fuck each other up, with sticks and stones if it is still going on after the ordinance runs out, and we'll deal with whoever is left if they decide then that they want to bring their shit here. Agreed. Unfortunately the Zionist lobby has a stranglehold on both Dems and Repubs.
Quote:Quote: SIX: Meanwhile, round them all up here along with the rest of the illegal invaders currently camping out in America on the Taxpayer's dime and make them Mexico's problem. If Mexico doesn't like it, tough shit. They better build a wall and make sure everybody in the world knows that they're not coming up to America through their country. Legal immigrants can stay, unless they break a law.
Sunday, October 15, 2023 7:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Agreed. But no more immigrants, legal or otherwise, no matter where they come from. I'm not saying never again, but at least until we finally start making this country work for the legal citizens again. We're broke and we're broken. We don't need anybody else in here taking the dwindling resources.
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