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Contrary to what some might suggest, it is not a strategy.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-military-equipment-losses/3
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Russia has reportedly

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Russia has reportedly That's as far as anyone needs to read.

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SignyM:
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That's as far as anyone needs to read.


CAPONCRUNCH: Zignym has posted
That's as far as anyone needs to read.


Zignym can’t be honest enough to admit that that is, has been, and always will be, what reporters do: Report.
Zignym can’t be bothered to read reporting that says bad things about New and Improved Russia. Signym simply can’t do honest.

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I thought that reporters were supposed to do a minimum of fact checking before they blabbed all over the media.

Apparently not.

Thats why we get reporters "reporting" on non-reality like IRAQ!WMD! and RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION! quoting "reliable sources" like "anonymous officials" and
Kiev intelligence sources"

Since THEY can't separate fact from fiction, we're left to do investigating ourselves. And apparently CAPON doesn't believe in separating fact from fiction.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - reportedly NOT William Blake, but Signym.

See Spark Notes for the actual words and meaning, rather than Signym's not-at-all-subtle rewrite of a long poem. https://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/blake/section8/

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I thought that reporters were supposed to do a minimum of fact checking before they blabbed all over the media.

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Thats why we get reporters "reporting" on non-reality like IRAQ!WMD!

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and RUSSIA!TRUMP!COLLUSION!

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I thought that reporters were supposed to do a minimum of fact checking before they blabbed all over the media.
Apparently not.

CAPN: Yes, they're suppose to.

SIGNYM:Thats why we get reporters "reporting" on non-reality like IRAQ!WMD!

CAPON: Dull and boring.

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CAPON: Finally, you understand! You actually see the difference between Biden in office and that Putin ck smoker, Trump.

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Everyone here knows that I've given multiple examples many times. List not inclusive:
Vietnam,
Chile
Noreiga
Grenada
Serbia/Milosevic
Georgia (former SSR)
Ukraine (ongoing since 2013)
Syria/Assad
Libya/Qaddafi
TRUMP
Russia/Putin
N Korea/Kim Jong Un
Inflation
Racism/white supremacy
SARS-CoV-2
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First off, Biden* is not in charge. It's whoever is in charge of the teleprompter that day.

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Second, so now we have an admin engaging in a self- destructive multi-billion hot war/trillion dollar sanctions war either

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On behalf of a corrupt undemocratic regime

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that most people STILL couldn't find on a map if their life depended on it,

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and couldn't give a shit about, OR

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To embark on a feckless project of destroying Russia.

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To get back to the original topic:

I don't believe a single word or jot that comes out of either Kiev's "intelligence" sources or ours, or a media that promulgates their propaganda.

And since you haven't demonstrated that there's any "there" there to the topic, this is a pointless thread.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - reportedly NOT William Blake, but Signym.

See Spark Notes for the actual words and meaning, rather than Signym's not-at-all-subtle rewrite of a long poem. https://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/blake/section8/

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Apparently the REAL point of this thread was to trot out your collective stupidity.

Have fun!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - reportedly NOT William Blake, but Signym.

See Spark Notes for the actual words and meaning, rather than Signym's not-at-all-subtle rewrite of a long poem. https://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/blake/section8/

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Apparently the REAL point of this thread was to trot out your collective stupidity.

Have fun!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - reportedly NOT William Blake, but Signym.

See Spark Notes for the actual words and meaning, rather than Signym's not-at-all-subtle rewrite of a long poem. https://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/blake/section8/

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Signym, fix your signature by changing "William Blake" to "Signym". Even you could get that right.

"The result is an absence of checks and balances in Russia, and the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq," said Bush, before catching himself and shaking his head. "I mean -- of Ukraine."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bush-condemns-unjustified-brutal-invas
ion-iraq-ukraine-speech/story?id=84831140

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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HAHAHA!! Just can't address THE TOPIC, can you? So you argue about poetry instead???

Oh, and since it chaps your ass SO MUCH that I misquoted ONE WORD (which, in your view, makes everything I post unreliable. How about applying that standard to YOURSELF, boy?) I'm fixing the quote. It doesn't change the meaning, tho.

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You interpret the poem however you like, SECOND. Blake crossed off the alternate "If there was nobody poor"

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to emphasize that impoverishing people is something we do on purpose. More here:
https://www.paper-darts.com/pity-would-be-no-more/

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Jeez.

There needs to be a FACTS thread on Russia Invading Ukraine.

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Jeez.

There needs to be a FACTS thread on Russia Invading Ukraine.

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Nobody has demonstrated that Russians are losing "so much" military equipment.

How about finding a reliable figure to start?

Unless you do that, all you're doing is blowing bubbles.

Right, SECOND?

*****

Oh, and along with your bubbles about Russia and Trump, let me pop your bubble about the poem:

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You interpret the poem however you like, SECOND. Blake crossed off the alternate "If there was nobody poor"

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to emphasize that impoverishing people is something we do on purpose. More here:
https://www.paper-darts.com/pity-would-be-no-more/

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In your infinite condescension, SECOND, you assume I don't understand the poem.

Pity, like charity, is not a virtue, it's virtue-signalling expression of superiority. It grows from another vice, selfishness.
Vice begets vice, not virtue. In a truly virtuous world, pity, "peace" and (selfish) love wouldn't exist.
It is deceit (or worse, self-deception) that allows the incestuous relationship of false virtue (what we would now call virtue-signalling) to prop up continuation of vices.
You, of all people, should understand virtue-signalling masking evil. But your self-deception won't allow it.

Why do you keep failing at mind-reading?

But WHAT does this have to do with "Russia losing so much military equipment"?
Well, it doesn't.
It's irrelevant, like you.

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SIGNYM:
In your infinite condescension, SECOND, you assume I don't understand the poem.

Pity, like charity, is not a virtue, it's virtue-signalling expression of superiority. It grows from another vice, selfishness.
Vice begets vice, not virtue. In a truly virtuous world, pity, "peace" and (selfish) love wouldn't exist.
It is deceit (or worse, self-deception) that allows the incestuous relationship of false virtue (what we would now call virtue-signalling) to prop up continuation of vices.
You, of all people, should understand virtue-signalling masking evil. But your self-deception won't allow it.

Why do you keep failing at mind-reading?

But WHAT does this have to do with "Russia losing so much military equipment"?
Well, it doesn't.
It's irrelevant, like you.

SECOND: Russians weren't good enough in WWII, which is why 3 Russians died for every German. Russians weren't good enough after the war was over, and kept killing German-speaking civilians. Russians just aren't good enough, which is why they lose their equipment.

In the Ukraine war, Russia doesn't have Americans and Brits fighting Ukrainians on the Western front, so Russia won't be receiving new equipment from Americans and Brits to replace what the Russians lose. Too bad for Russia.

Maybe this weekend it is once again time for the Russians to compensate for incompetence by threatening to nuke everybody. Yes, that is what Russians are doing this weekend: https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+nuke

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I keep giving you the opportunity to correct what many consider FACTUAL, but you keep running away. It's more of a Signym-free zone than anything else.

The following are what many sources - outside of the combatants directly involved and their biases - consider to be observably true. I've numbered them for your convenience. Please consider the number keeps growing.

Which ones do you consider false and why?

1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.
2. - Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"
3. - Russian military used insecure communications - "Hello, Dimitri? I am sitting here with the Z 48 battalion waiting for you... I am at the following coordinates..." boom.
4. - Putin keeps losing generals.
5. - Putin has united the West and the EU and NATO.
6. - Putin completely misjudged Finland and Sweden. Both are applying to join NATO, Putin's nightmare.
7. - Putin's own "G7" he has only one ally, Belarus, who have yet to join the fight. No ally really.
8. - Putin completely misjudged how many companies would leave Russia. ANY attempt to say that it was a plan makes it look even worse.
9. - Russian army failed to use proper logistics. 40 mile traffic jam/ cluster-fck.
10. - Russia loses their Prized ship to a country without a nvy.
11. - Putin has motivated many of the most educated Russians to leave the country - brain drain just like Stalin.
12. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's economy
13. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's world standing.
14. - Putin miscalculated how many young Russian soldiers would die.
15. - Russia failed to take out Ukraine air defense system.
16. - Putin has motivated some of Russia's largest oil and gas customers to find alternative suppliers, and - maybe most significantly - to accelerate their alternative energy programs (thanks Putin!).
17. - Putin is even losing the spin war. Except of course with his own state run tv brain washed and threatened citizens who face jail time for speaking the Truth.
18. - Putin misjudges just how much Russia is hated around the globe.
19. - Russian army failed to prepare their troops for what their real "operation" was.

If this reality/evidence of Putin's major fck up is wrong as you suggest, then it should be easy for you to show how they're wrong... right?

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How many tanks, personnel carriers, howitzers, and other armored vehicles did the Russians lose? What percent of committed equipment does that represent?

Also, for comparison, how much similar equipment has Ukraine lost? What percent of committed equipment does THAT represent?

How does that compare to similar land wars? (I guess the closest comparison would be WWII).

Can we get reliable numbers? Bc you have not established the FACTS, you have only posted statements.

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... and couldn't give a shit about [Ukraine]...

CAPON: I think this part you are actually, sadly, pretty close on. Some people can't see beyond their front door.

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I know I should let this thread duecthecdearhbit so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:

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CAPON: I think this part you are actually, sadly, pretty close on. Some people can't see beyond their front door.

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What is the #1 job of the American President? Isn't it to promote the well-being of America, the nation, and of Americans, it's ctizens?

Not to

Provide a relief valve for corrupt Central and South American regimes (which we support) or to

Engage in feckless wars of destruction with other nuclear superpowers or to

Knock over smaller governments like bowling pins in endless "regime change" operations or to

Engage in grudge matches with other world leaders.

Where does the war in Ukraine benefit US? Couldn't WE use $40 billion to start repairing our infrastructure and re-industrializing the USA, as a matter of national security?

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I keep giving you the opportunity to correct what many consider FACTUAL, but you keep running away. It's more of a Signym-free zone than anything else.

The following are what many sources - outside of the combatants directly involved and their biases - consider to be observably true. I've numbered them for your convenience. Please consider the number keeps growing.

Which ones do you consider false and why?

1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.
2. - Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"
3. - Russian military used insecure communications - "Hello, Dimitri? I am sitting here with the Z 48 battalion waiting for you... I am at the following coordinates..." boom.
4. - Putin keeps losing generals.
5. - Putin has united the West and the EU and NATO.
6. - Putin completely misjudged Finland and Sweden. Both are applying to join NATO, Putin's nightmare.
7. - Putin's own "G7" he has only one ally, Belarus, who have yet to join the fight. No ally really.
8. - Putin completely misjudged how many companies would leave Russia. ANY attempt to say that it was a plan makes it look even worse.
9. - Russian army failed to use proper logistics. 40 mile traffic jam/ cluster-fck.
10. - Russia loses their Prized ship to a country without a nvy.
11. - Putin has motivated many of the most educated Russians to leave the country - brain drain just like Stalin.
12. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's economy
13. - Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's world standing.
14. - Putin miscalculated how many young Russian soldiers would die.
15. - Russia failed to take out Ukraine air defense system.
16. - Putin has motivated some of Russia's largest oil and gas customers to find alternative suppliers, and - maybe most significantly - to accelerate their alternative energy programs (thanks Putin!).
17. - Putin is even losing the spin war. Except of course with his own state run tv brain washed and threatened citizens who face jail time for speaking the Truth.
18. - Putin misjudges just how much Russia is hated around the globe.
19. - Russian army failed to prepare their troops for what their real "operation" was.

If this reality/evidence of Putin's major fck up is wrong as you suggest, then it should be easy for you to show how they're wrong... right?

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How many tanks, personnel carriers, howitzers, and other armored vehicles did the Russians lose? What percent of committed equipment does that represent?

Also, for comparison, how much similar equipment has Ukraine lost? What percent of committed equipment does THAT represent?

How does that compare to similar land wars? (I guess the closest comparison would be WWII).

Can we get reliable numbers? Bc you have not established the FACTS, you have only posted statements.

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I know I should let this thread duecthecdearhbit so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:

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Why are you guys so worried about Russia invading Ukraine when Biden* is trying to just give up American sovereignty to the WHO?

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SIGNY:I know I should let this thread [die the death it] so richly deserves but I wanted to address this point:

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What is the #1 job of the American President? Isn't it to promote the well-being of America, the nation, and of Americans, it's ctizens?

Not to

Provide a relief valve for corrupt Central and South American regimes (which we support) or to

Engage in feckless wars of destruction with other nuclear superpowers or to

Knock over smaller governments like bowling pins in endless "regime change" operations or to

Engage in grudge matches with other world leaders.

Where does the war in Ukraine benefit US? Couldn't WE use $40 billion to start repairing our infrastructure and re-industrializing the USA, as a matter of national security?

SECOND: Signym, it is NEVER an either/or choice. Congress can do both. Congress decides, not the President. If Congress wants another $40 billion for infrastructure, then it will pass a bill:

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Decoded: ZIGNYM: "I'm embarrassing the sht out of myself, better beat cheeks and get out of this thread!"

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Which ones do you consider false and why?

1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.

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Your topic was (may I remind you) "why is Russia losing SO MUCH military equipment?"

The you spend most of the rest of your post discussing almost anything but.
HOW MUCH is "so much"?
HOW MANY tanks, armored personnel carriers, rocket launchers, artillery, etc has Russian lost?

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The following are what many sources - outside of the combatants directly involved and their biases - consider to be observably true. I've numbered them for your convenience. Please consider the number keeps growing.

Which ones do you consider false and why?

1. - Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and embarras the Russian *army.

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How do you know this? Have you been sitting in on Russia's Seurity Council meetings? How does this describe "HOW MUCH" military equipment has been lost? Where are the numbers?

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2. - Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"

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Same as above

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You can see the secure comms antenna on Russian equiment. Plus, it is the policy of the Russian MoD to take soldiers' cellphones away, which is why you see so few Russian-sourced videos online. If this happens IT IS RARE.
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Ah, one ship. It was not "prized". It was due for decomissioning back in the 1990s.

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HOW MUCH military equipment?


You have not established as FACT that Russia is losing an extraordinary amount of equioment. Your thread is based on an ASSUMPTION.

And because it's based on an assumption, nearly all of your statements are irrelevant to your topic.
They're also mostly flat-out wrong and/or evidence-free. But a discussion of how wrong they are doesn't belong in this thread bc it's off-topic.

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Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Russian Ground Forces
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

High-ranking military commanders HAVE been killed in Ukraine, but they were not at the rank considered to be equivalent to US military general. Some were at the rank equivalent to brigadier, which is kind of a gray area between colonel and general. Others at the rank of colonel.

Russian military puts commanders at the front line.

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As nouns the difference between brigadier and general is that brigadier is (military) an army rank; an officer commanding a brigade while general is commander of an army.

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Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, Deputy Commander of the 41st Combined Arms Army of the Russian Ground Forces
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

High-ranking military commanders HAVE been killed in Ukraine, but they were not at the rank considered to be equivalent to US military general. Some were at the rank equivalent to brigadier, which is kind of a gray area between colonel and general. Others at the rank of colonel.

Russian military puts commanders at the front line.

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Brigadiers command a brigade. In some militaries they aren't considered generals, in other militaries they are. Quoting American military ranks is not helpful.

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As nouns the difference between brigadier and general is that brigadier is (military) an army rank; an officer commanding a brigade while general is commander of an army.

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https://wikidiff.com/brigadier/general

Since Russia only recognizes the death of one general, I assumed they don't consider brigadiers to be in the "general" rank. Or maybe they're just word-smithing to minimize their losses. But I DID look up the difference between brigadier and general to try to understand the discrepancy between western and Russian reporting.

Like I posted, other high-ranking officers HAVE been killed. Brigadiers (or brigadier generals) and colonels for sure.

But thanks for the explanation of the American military ranking system.

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