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Just to remind you, THUGR:

Dood, you're so biased you don't even recognize WAR CRIMES when "your side" is doing them. You cheer them on.

I'm embarassed for you.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

There is a strong and violent Nazi element in Ukraine (local militia, "national guard", internal security, Azov Battalion) that has an effective stranglehold on government officials.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just to remind you, THUGR:

Dood, you're so biased you don't even recognize WAR CRIMES when "your side" is doing them. You cheer them on.

I'm embarassed for you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
J
ust to remind you, THUGR:

Dood, you're so biased you don't even recognize WAR CRIMES when "your side" is doing them. You cheer them on.

I'm embarassed for you.

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This is classic whataboutism, Signym. Are you trying to deflect? By the way, Russia is arresting reporters who write about this war. War Crimes won't get into the average Russian's consciousness because the reporters can't report War Crimes. Reporters can't even call this a War without Putin arresting them.

Under Putin's media crackdown, Russian journalists flee to Turkey

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SIGNYM:
Just to remind you, THUGR:

Dood, you're so biased you don't even recognize WAR CRIMES when "your side" is doing them. You cheer them on.

I'm embarassed for you.

SECOND: This is classic whataboutism, Signym. Are you trying to deflect?

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By the way, Russia is arresting reporters

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SignyM:

There is a strong and violent Nazi element in Ukraine (local militia, "national guard", internal security, Azov Battalion) that has an effective stranglehold on government officials.

THUGR: While Signym searches for Putin’s next angle,

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SIGNYM:
Just to remind you, THUGR:

Dood, you're so biased you don't even recognize WAR CRIMES when "your side" is doing them. You cheer them on.

I'm embarassed for you.

SECOND: This is classic whataboutism, Signym. Are you trying to deflect?

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Accusing me of whataboutism and following it with a whataboutism?

Classic!

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By the way, Russia is arresting reporters

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Arresting them?
OH NOS!
Maybe they should shoot them in the leg and then beat them to a pulp?
That would be an equivalent crime.
Next time, come up with a better whataboutism, m'kay?

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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Russia is NOT committing "war crimes"?

War is hell, and people get killed, but that is not a "war crime".

Just like it didn't occur to you that maybe Trump did NOT "collude" with Russia, or that Jan 6 was NOT an "insurrection"?

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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Russia is NOT committing "war crimes"?

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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Russia is NOT committing "war crimes"?

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Nope

Wikipedia: “A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians (check) or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages (1 maybe, 2 definitely) unnecessarily destroying civilian property (check) deception by perfidy (check) wartime sexual violence (check), pillaging (check) the conscription of children in the military (I hope not, but maybe just have to give them time) committing genocide or ethnic cleansing (check) the granting of no quarter despite surrender (no check - Ukraine will never surrender) and flouting the legal distinctions of proportionality and military necessity.” (check) (check)

Add in invading a sovereign country - check

No question = War Crimes

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Any evidence for that?

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SignyM:

Any evidence for that?

SECOND: Here is the evidence war crimes russia:
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence+war+crimes+russia
About 294,000,000 results is enough to imprison Putin.

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SignyM:

Any evidence for that?

SECOND: Here is the evidence war crimes russia:
https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence+war+crimes+russia
About 294,000,000 results is enough to imprison Putin.

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The twisted human pretzel thinks # of search results is evidence?

How many results if you google "trump collusion"?

Hint to SECOND; Stop drunk-posting.

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Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Russia is NOT committing "war crimes"?

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Nope

Wikipedia: “A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by the combatants, such as intentionally killing civilians (check) or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages (1 maybe, 2 definitely) unnecessarily destroying civilian property (check) deception by perfidy (check) wartime sexual violence (check), pillaging (check) the conscription of children in the military (I hope not, but maybe just have to give them time) committing genocide or ethnic cleansing (check) the granting of no quarter despite surrender (no check - Ukraine will never surrender) and flouting the legal distinctions of proportionality and military necessity.” (check) (check)

Add in invading a sovereign country - check

No question = War Crimes

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Any evidence for that?

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Seems like the pseudo-intellectual retards are going to tell us what a war crime is.

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Ah. So that's where American Democrats got that one for their go-to move in their playbook.

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Seems like the pseudo-intellectual retards are going to tell us what a war crime is.

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What’s that noise? Oh, Jack desperate for attention as usual. Just another day in rwed.

So, boy genius, tell us what a war crime is.

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I see Jack answered your question with a question. Someone, not me though, should explain to Jack you answer a question by answering it, not asking another question.

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Better still, ignoring someone as desperate for attention as Jack is a hoot. I recommend it.

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Ah. So that's where American Democrats got that one for their go-to move in their playbook.

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Have you ever noticed that racists claim they are not racists? That Nazis claim they are not Nazis? That liars claim they are not liars?

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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Jack wets himself as usual.

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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jack wets himself as usual.

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Wet myself.

If I want your opinion, I'll read a mainstream news article.

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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Jack wets himself as usual.

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Wet myself.

If I want your opinion, I'll read a mainstream news article.

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You fuckin' dummies don't have any thoughts or opinions of your own.

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“Russia isn't reducing Russian troop presence around Kyiv and Chernihiv.
Ukraine is reducing Russian troop presence.”
-- Zelenskyy, March 29th

Russia to 'Drastically' Wind Down Military Presence Near Kyiv, Chernihiv
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/29/russia-to-drastically-wind-d
own-military-presence-near-kyiv-chernihiv-a77127

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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Jack wets himself as usual.

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Wet myself.

If I want your opinion, I'll read a mainstream news article.

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Jack fills his diaper.

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You fuckin' dummies don't have any thoughts or opinions of your own.

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So help us! Since you’re always right, this should be easy: what’s a war crime?

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In the second scenario, Ukraine agrees to recognize Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk as Russian territories, enabling the Kremlin’s propaganda machine to churn out stories of “liberated” Ukrainians.

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Are you still believing everything you see on CNN and MSNBC?

You should know better by now.

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Jack wets himself as usual.

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Wet myself.

If I want your opinion, I'll read a mainstream news article.

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Jack fills his diaper.

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Come over here baby, and I'll shit in your face.

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Google it, dumb shit.

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Originally posted by second:
“Russia isn't reducing Russian troop presence around Kyiv and Chernihiv.
Ukraine is reducing Russian troop presence.”
-- Zelenskyy, March 29th

Russia to 'Drastically' Wind Down Military Presence Near Kyiv, Chernihiv
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/29/russia-to-drastically-wind-d
own-military-presence-near-kyiv-chernihiv-a77127

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497306746330697738.html

Kamil Galeev
@kamilkazani
Galina Starovoitova Fellow
@TheWilsonCenter
. MLitt in History, St Andrews. MA in China Studies, Peking University

"Let's discuss Putin speech. He declared Ukrainians to be "Neonazis" and promised to "denazify" them. Indeed the "Nazi" character of Ukrainian statehood and identity has long been a central thesis of Russian propaganda. Let's discuss why and how it reflects ideology of Putinism"

"Why Russia uses it ("nazi")? First, because it's compatible with Russian foundation myth that rulers in Kremlin are saint because once they defeated the Nazi Germany. Ofc they won't tell that it was Kremlin that built up Nazi military might and allied with them on the early stages of WWII"

WWII - Russian Front

Stalin expected that Hitler might attack. But he believed that Soviet army was strong enough to repel them quickly. On paper he had much more tanks, guns, planes. So when Hitler did attack on June 22, 1941, Stalin was calm. He ordered his troops to beat them off and counterattack

For a few days he believed the plan is working. And you know why? Nobody dared to tell him it's not. So he was calm and content, everything working perfectly.

< Gee, that sounds familiar! That's probably why Putin's butt cheeks are still clenched. He recalled how Stalin had beem lied to just as he has been in Ukraine >

Only on June 29, a week after the war started he learnt that Minsk has fallen. That meant the road on Moscow is open

How was it possible? Minsk was covered by the strongest army USSR had, the Western Front, administered by the Belarus Military District. Stalin called the People's Commissariat (=Ministry) of Defence and asked what is the situation on the Western Front. They couldn't say anything

Stalin was alarmed. He ordered Molotov, Malenkov, Beriya and Mikoyan to get into car and they all drove to the Comissariat. Stalin told to connect him with the Belarus Military District. Zhukov told there's no connection. And Stalin realised the Western Army doesn't exist anymore

He yelled at Zhukov so hard, that Zhukov ran out to another room and wept. When Politburo members left the Comissariat, Stalin told:

- Lenin left us the great state and we wasted it

Stalin left to his dacha alone

Politburo members divided. Voznesensky said that if Stalin doesn't care , then Molotov should lead the state. Molotov refused. They all went to Stalin's dacha. Stalin looked very badly and asked why did they come. Mikoyan thought - Stalin feared that they came to arrest him

Molotov said they must form a Defence Committee to run the country. And Stalin should lead it:

- Ok - said Stalin. He looked surprised

On July 6 chief of Soviet military intelligence general-lieutenant Golikov departed to London to discuss coordination of efforts in this war

Thus the USSR allied with the US and the UK. USA organised lend lease: enormous military help in food, in fuel, in vehicles, in armament. They supplied Soviet Army for the entire war. Otherwise USSR would lose, its supply chains being disrupted by the German advance

In the course of the war the narrative changed again. Now nobody would admit that the USSR wanted the war, that it built up the German military machine as an ice-breaker against the West. No, the USSR was peaceful, consistently anti-Nazi, the force of light against the darkness

It was a lie but a convenient lie. The alliance would be diffucult if Western powers admitted the truth: that the Soviets were purposefully building up the German military machine and de facto allied with Hitler in 1939-1931 dividing Eastern Europe together. So the West bought it

That's how a myth of the anti-Nazi USSR was borne. It was recognised by the West which didn't want to question the role of its allies in building up the Nazi military machine. After belief in Communism died, it became a legitimising myth of the Soviet state, inherited by Russia

It didn't only legitimise every single regime in Kremlin which was saint and holy because Soviets defeated the Nazis (whose military they built up). It also became a universal tool of Russian imperialism, a weapon against any Eastern Europeans resisting the encroachment of Moscow

In the most extreme case it takes the form of the narrative about "traitorous ethnicities" ??????-?????????. Many ethnicities were accused of collaborating with Nazis and deported en masse from their homeland to wastelands of Siberia and Kazakhstan. Mortality was enormous

Let's examine this narrative by checking the timeline. The ethnic-based deportations and massacres started long before the war. In 1936 Ukrainian Poles were deported to Kazakstan en masse. In 1937 - Far Eastern Koreans. In 1938 - Chinese

Consider the Great Purge of 1937-1938. 111 071 "spies" were executed within the Polish operation, 41 898 during the Germans one , 5439 during Romanian. Huge number of Finns, Latvians, Ingermanlands and others were included into shooting lists simply for being minorities

The USSR was already conducting huge ethnic cleansings before the war, before any collaboration with the Nazis could even start. The war didn't really change anything - it allowed Soviets to carry on but now with a perfect excuse. We're cleansing minorities because they're Nazi

Does it mean there was no collaboration? There was, and it was massive. Stalin's regime was widely hated, and many saw the war as a chance to overthrow it. Btw ethnic Russians joined Nazis the most massively. Pro-German Russian Liberation Army had more than a million soldiers

Russian Liberation army used tradition symbolics of Russian Empire, like the red-blue-white tricolour which Russia uses now. In 1945 these flags were thrown to the Red Square together with swastikas. That's why old Soviet veterans viewed new Russian flag as "Nazi", Vlasov's flag

The "anti-Nazi" narrative of Russian authorities is simply a weapon against those Eastern Europeans who wouldn't submit to their will. Russia points to "pro-Nazi" symbolics in Eastern Europe. Meanwhile, according to the same logic Russia uses the Nazi flag and symbols

Grim truth is that Nazis found *some* support pretty much everywhere they came. In all Europe there were people who would join Naxis. Reasons varied: survival, career, revenge. Many minority nationalists, e.g. Slovak ones, felt discriminated and hoped to achieve independence

Consistent "anti-Nazi" struggle as understood by Moscow, when entire ethnicities are forever tainted and accursed because some of their members joined Nazis many decades ago, would require ethnic cleansing, well, of entire Europe. Including Russia itself

< sounds too familar >

Of course Russia wouldn't do it consistently. It would rather use it as a weapon to silence any foreign opposition to its domination. If you don't submit and surrender to Putin, that proves you are Nazi. That's some real reductio ad Hitlerum scaled up

Why Russia uses it? First, because it's compatible with Russian foundation myth that rulers in Kremlin are saint because once they defeated the Nazi Germany. Ofc they won't tell that it was Kremlin that built up Nazi military might and allied with them on the early stages of WWII

Some Russians know what BS it is. There's a joke:

- Every true patriot knows that Russian history started in 1941. And only traitors lie that it started in 1939

It reflects that WWII is a foundation myth of Russian regime and that Kremlin lies about its true role in the war

Second reason is that the West first bought this convenient lie, in order not to question the origins of Nazi military might, and continues buying it. Persisting in feel-good-lies is emotionally easy. But it will cost a heavy price that the West is only starting to pay. End

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