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What is Putin's end game?
Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:23 PM
THG
Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Of course: make shit up, publish misleading photos, blame Russia!
Saturday, March 19, 2022 1:27 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, March 19, 2022 2:14 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: https://www.sott.net/article/290939-SOTT-Exclusive-Ukrainians-hold-Nazi-torchlight-parade-in-honor-of-Stepan-Bandera https://voiceofdetroit.net/2014/03/02/is-the-u-s-backing-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/ https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/in-ukraine-hundreds-march-with-torches-in-annual-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator-1.9420221 https://wallofcontroversy.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/bbc-now-in-bed-with-kievs-fascist-azov-brigade/ ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:25 PM
Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:26 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: I agree with the gist of what you are saying, especially the "he might be nuts." My belief is that even though Ukraine is a melting pot of sorts, that Putin's violent, unprovoked attack on all of Ukraine, men women and children, will only make all Ukrainians feel closer together, more unified. I have heard some reports of that already. Old rivalries are forgotten or put on hold while the country addresses a significantly larger issue: Survival. Nothing like a common enemy to unite people. The one thing that feels certain is Putin's past behavior is a solid predictor of his current and future behavior. He's a lying, evil POS, and thank god most of the civilized world sees that.
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by THG:
Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:30 PM
Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:40 PM
Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH: OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz! Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?
Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz! Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians? To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Quote:Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz! Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?
Saturday, March 19, 2022 5:49 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Saturday, March 19, 2022 9:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon
Saturday, March 19, 2022 11:18 PM
Quote:The areas that Armstrong, Doctorow and I describe have largely Russian speaking pro-Russian populations. Yesterday some 30,000 people left the besiege Mariupol and several of them were interviewed. They all spoke out against the Azov Nazis who still hold parts of the city. They likely would not mind to become citizens of a newly founded Novorossiya that does not submit to a Russian hating government in Kiev or elsewhere.
Saturday, March 19, 2022 11:43 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:42 AM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:16 AM
Quote: Another letter from people who managed to get out of Mariupol. Emotional, chaotic, saturated with resentment against the Ukrainian authorities and the military. “Now Kolya’s sister from Belgium was talking to their cousin Sasha from Mariupol… she got out, alive, but covered in burns and with a broken psyche. Now in Taganrog. Mariupol is full of horror. This Sasha from Mariupol is cursing the Ukrainian military. They staged this massacre in the city …. Residents were not released, those who tried to leave were shot. Before Sasha’s eyes, two buses with the inscription “Children” were blown up, it was a convoy of cars that the Russians covered so that the inhabitants left the city, and at that time they were fired upon … In the city, corpses are right on the roads, no one cleans them up. According to Sasha, the Ukrainian military simply entered any apartment (if they needed a location for shelling) and killed the residents. She saw how people were thrown from the balcony. When the Russians entered the city, they began to rescue the inhabitants from the rubble (there, too, the Ukrainian Nazis themselves blew up many houses in order to have more victims, Ukrainian snipers began to fire at them, they continued to save the wounded people …. Sasha curses Zelensky. And asks Marina (sisters Kolya) where do you get such news in the west? There is not a single eyewitness journalist in Mariupol … “
Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN: There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon The weapons have already been tested. What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial". It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target). It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first. "Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag"). Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-invasion-ukraine/
Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:47 AM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The weapons have already been tested. What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach,
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: "Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-invasion-ukraine/
Sunday, March 20, 2022 2:34 PM
Quote:JAYNEZTOWN: There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon SIGNY: The weapons have already been tested. What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial". It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target). It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first. "Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag"). Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-invasion-ukraine/ THUGR: You keep lying to yourself Signym, that’s what you’re good at. Zelensky will lie to get Russia out. No agreement signed by the Ukrainian President will be legit since he has a gun held to his head.
Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:07 PM
Quote: SignyM: The weapons have already been tested. What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial". CAPON: On themselves? They can't find the freaking dial. All pain, no dial.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, CAPON: You should call someone because they clearly haven't figured it out.
Quote:SignyM: but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first. CAPON:That's one slow fcking horse race.
Quote: SignyM: "Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag")... Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-invasion-ukraine/ CAPON: You're too modest. You certainly know a lot more about Russian weapons than any other American I know.
Quote: With all that knowledge maybe you can explain why this 48-72 hour blitzkrieg to Kyiv is taking 4 weeks? Are they saving gas? Did they run out of gas?
Quote: CAPON: I'm reading some distressing things about the condition of the Russian military. Total corruption on every level. Russian thieves stealing from the military. If generals/military get too good the Kremlin worries about a coup and cleanses them and installs new people who have no training. Have you heard about those things?
Quote:CAPON: heard there's a general cleansing after every foreign operation just to be safe...? But then, what was their last real operation? Crimea
Quote: Oh yeah, that tank battalion that rolled into Crimea and was suppose to be so amazing just got destroyed about a week ago. Javelins from Uncle Sam I think. Crimea was not a real military operation, so can't blame them for being under trained and over hyped.
Quote: CAPON: I'm hearing some disparaging things about their nukes too. Not taken care of very well. Maintenance fees going into the wrong pockets. Corruption on every level. I'm also reading about how a lot of (smart) Russians have fled the country. Huge numbers. It has this effect of leaving the dummies behind. Imagine an entire nation of Trumptards and you get the idea.
Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:49 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:59 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:55 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:57 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 4:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says only Fox is presenting an ‘alternative point of view’ rather than ‘information terrorism’ Sergei Lavrov praised Fox News for its coverage of war in Ukraine, appearing on the Russian state-controlled RT network to hail the right-leaning US cable channel, whose primetime host Tucker Carlson has played down the invasion. “We know the manners and the tricks that are being used by the western countries to manipulate media, we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media,” said Lavrov, speaking in English in a studio interview on Friday. “If you take the United States, only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view,” he said. He also denounced the social media ban of former president Donald Trump and took exception to the description of January 6 rioters as terrorists. “But when you watch other channels, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked and this censorship continues in a very big way … Whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest, mass demonstrations – which they don’t like – they immediately call it domestic terrorism. “So it’s a war, and it’s a war which involves the methods of information terrorism,” he said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fox-news-coverage-ukraine The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, March 20, 2022 5:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So basically the USA media is conducting a psyop for neocons. I knew that already. I expect nothing less. Russia is probably doing something similar to its own people.
Sunday, March 20, 2022 6:42 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference! This is, after all, war and people do get killed.
Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:10 PM
Quote: Zelensky Says WWIII Assured If Negotiations With Russia Break Down
Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: This is like the liberation of Aleppo, which took well over a month of slow, careful teasing apart of civvies from terrorists. Eventually Aleppo was freed with minimized civilian and infrastructure losses. Ukraine is bigger.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: BTW it's ISKANDER, not Islander. The K and L are right next to each other. You would have caught that mistake and perhaps learned even more if you had bothered to inform yourself.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Unlike us, the Russians don't flatten everything with bombs for three weeks before strolling in."
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: No. The generals today are the same as the ones five, ten years ago.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: What are you smoking? Why would a tank battalion roll into Crimea?? Crimea is already part of Russia. You must be grossly misinformed. I hope you've learned something!
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Everything you posted is a total propaganda piece of bullshit. You haven't researched ANY of this.
Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: As usual, SECOND, you're bullshitting again. You know nothing about what Putin says or how Russia wages war. "Z" has no cards to play. All he can do is surrender before his military gets totally destroyed and more civilians are killed. Let's see whether he's a fantasist who'll get more people killed, or a realist. My guess is he's a fantasist being promoted by equally fantasist USA/EU neocons who've swallowed their own propaganda.
Monday, March 21, 2022 12:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Are you claiming Putin did not Threaten to Nuke the World? Because he did:
Monday, March 21, 2022 1:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Are you claiming Putin did not Threaten to Nuke the World? Because he did: No he didn't. You fucking liar. Putin Threatens to Nuke the World | Opinion I guess you missed that last part.
Monday, March 21, 2022 1:40 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 6:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quit spreading your fear porn, loser.
Monday, March 21, 2022 6:38 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 6:49 AM
Quote: Ukrainian frontline medic claims he’s ordered castration of all Russian POWs Russian soldiers captured by a Ukrainian volunteer medic unit will all be castrated, its founder and commander declared on national television on Sunday. The combat medic, whose volunteer team has been described as “medical angels” by the Western media, said “cockroaches” don’t deserve the right to procreate. The shocking confession came from Gennadiy Druzenko, a constitutional lawyer-turned-volunteer frontline medic in Ukraine. Speaking to Ukrainian media in a live interview, he condemned the US for its reluctance to go to war with Russia on Ukraine’s behalf, before commenting on the Russian military. “Trust me, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s military hardware burns well. The corpses of ‘putinoids’ may stink, but they become unthreatening,” he said. Druzenko said that, during the conflict, he had diverged from the principle that requires an injured enemy combatant to be treated as a regular patient. I gave my doctors … a very strict order to castrate all men, because they are cockroaches and not people. He further implied that, at the hands of his unit, Russian prisoners of war “will die in very large numbers” so that surviving Russians remembered Ukraine with terror “like the Germans remembered Stalingrad.” ... On Monday, YouTube blocked the entire livestream segment, which included the interview, after it drew public attention... Druzenko heads the Pirogov First Volunteer Mobile Hospital, a unit of civilian medics that has been providing services to Ukrainian troops since 2014, when post-coup authorities in Kiev sent the Ukrainian military to quash a rebellion in eastern Ukraine. He is an acclaimed figure at home and has received numerous awards for his work from the Defense Ministry and the National Security Council. A darling of the Western media amid the Russian attack on his country, Druzenko is fluent in English and has been readily speaking to the likes of CNN and the New York Post about the work of what these outlets have dubbed the “medical angels.”
Monday, March 21, 2022 6:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: What is SECOND's end game? He hates Republicans* bc Nixon talked him into a pointless war, and now SECOND is trying to stampede others into an equally pointless war. Is SECOND's end game to... Disintegrate into self-contradiction? Transform everyone into himself, so he doesn't feel like a monster? Become what he hates? Transform everyone into himself, so they can hate themselves as much as he hates himself? Something else?
Monday, March 21, 2022 6:57 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 7:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Ukrainian frontline medic claims he’s ordered castration of all Russian POWs Russian soldiers captured by a Ukrainian volunteer medic unit will all be castrated, its founder and commander declared on national television on Sunday. The combat medic, whose volunteer team has been described as “medical angels” by the Western media, said “cockroaches” don’t deserve the right to procreate. https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/
Monday, March 21, 2022 8:54 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 9:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/
Monday, March 21, 2022 9:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Those poor, disorganized, defeated Russians. So close to collapse!
Monday, March 21, 2022 9:40 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 9:58 AM
Quote: SIGNYM: https://www.rt.com/russia/552367-ukraine-doctor-castrate-prisoners/ CAPON: 1. rt - really? Come on, sweety.
Quote: CAPON: 2. Eastern European (and Russian) men talk nasty to and about each other. Immature bravado, chest pounding. So much you don't understand about life.
Quote: CAPON: 3. Dugin! Dugin!
Monday, March 21, 2022 10:02 AM
Monday, March 21, 2022 10:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, lookit all those words SECOND spewed up today! I musta touched nerve. Well, that's enough of arguing with paid liars and twisted sociopaths for one day. Have a nice day! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Monday, March 21, 2022 10:34 AM
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