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Another Putin Disaster
Thursday, February 17, 2022 3:27 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, February 17, 2022 7:07 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, the day has ended, even in MY time zone, and still, no Russian invasion! This is as bad as THUGR'S endlessly ticking clock that never reaches its destination. Notice how quickly SECOND changes the topic the moment his shit fails to stick?
Thursday, February 17, 2022 11:17 AM
Thursday, February 17, 2022 12:25 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: One thing I know for sure: the media and most politicians will continue to lie .. about Russia, Trump, China, the virus, and pretty much everything else they talk about. And you just keep reposting their lies.
Thursday, February 17, 2022 12:31 PM
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Thursday, February 17, 2022 10:03 PM
Thursday, February 17, 2022 10:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Putin’s Digital War With Ukraine For years, the Russians have used Ukraine as a proving ground for a new type of digital warfare. The Russians have for nearly a decade used Ukraine as a proving ground for a new and highly advanced type of hybrid warfare — a digital-meets-traditional kind of fighting defined by a reliance on software, digital hardware and cognitive control that is highly effective, difficult to counter and can reach far beyond the front lines deep into Ukrainian society. It is a type of high-tech conflict that many military experts predict will define the future of war. It has also turned Ukraine, especially its eastern provinces, but also the capital, into a bewildering zone of instability, disinformation and anxiety. The 24th Brigade first learned about the danger of carrying cell phones on the front lines years ago. On July 11, 2014, in the town of Zelenopillya, roughly five miles from the Ukrainian border with Russia, the brigade had planned to sever the supply line of the Donbas separatists when electronic warfare caught them by surprise. Witnesses described the scene to me: First there came the humming of an unmanned aerial vehicle able to clone cellular networks to locate active cellphones, followed by cyberattacks against Ukrainian command and control systems. Their communication systems disabled, Ukrainian forces were unable to coordinate with one another. Then, short-range rocket systems from inside Russia disabled two battalions, including T-64 tanks and amphibious tracked vehicles. Three trucks carrying troops exploded. Stumbling from the transport, one soldier clutched his entrails, and shouted for his mother. The attack killed 30 Ukrainians and wounded hundreds and lasted roughly two minutes. Andri Rymaruk, 41, who served for 18 months in 2015 and 2016 as a private in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, had a few days earlier told me about how, during his active duty, he had received text messages from the Russian-backed separatists across no-man’s land. “Soldier go home.” “Soldier kill your commanding officer.” “Surrender, we will defeat you anyway, this is our land and you are Ukrainian fascists.” That was the last message Rymaruk received in spring 2016 while standing on the outskirts of Horlivka, a coal-mining, coke-producing city in Donetsk along the front line. By then Rymaruk was anticipating the end of his service. A few days after he received the message an endless fusillade tore through the unit. It was the first time Rymaruk saw his fellow soldiers killed. “I went around collecting their body parts in a blanket, tying them up and putting them in the car trunk and taking them to the morgue,” he recalled in an interview. “The medics couldn’t get there.” Russian-supported forces could deploy such personalized propaganda and location tracking thanks to its use of UAVs but also its control of cellphone towers and the cellular companies that provide coverage to much of Ukraine. While Ukrainian officials and soldiers said they have tightened the security of their internal communications since 2014, like with the incorporation of L3Harris secure handheld radios sent by NATO and the U.S., vulnerabilities remain. Meanwhile, the Russian military has relocated more electronic warfare equipment to the borders with Ukraine, such as the Leer-3 RB-341V, a drone-based system that can monitor cellular and data transmission networks, suppress wireless communications, locate electromagnetic emission sources and even send text messages to front-line soldiers. More at https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/15/10-days-inside-putins-invisible-war-with-ukraine-00008529 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, February 18, 2022 12:00 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, February 18, 2022 7:39 AM
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Friday, February 18, 2022 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Ukraine @Ukraine “The truth is that humor has an enormous power”. https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1486296653111996418 Ukraine @Ukraine Invade us if you are gay 4:20 AM • Feb 17, 2022 BREAKING NEWS Russia retreats to Siberia Russia pulls all forces out of Crimea. “WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT GAY” - Putin The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, February 18, 2022 11:53 AM
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Friday, February 18, 2022 1:01 PM
Quote: The civilians of the LDNR are being evacuated from the towns near the LOC (line of contact). The Ukies are bombing the LDNR with artillery and mortar fire along the full LOC. The city of Gorlovka has lost power. The city is under tank fire. The only road between Donetsk and Gorlovka is under Ukronazi fire. The cities of Dokuchaevsk, Staromikhailovka and Belaia Kamenka are under mortar attack. It appears that the Ukronazis want to cut through the defenses between Lugansk and Donetsk.
Friday, February 18, 2022 1:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: They're trying to ramp up a war to deflect from the discontent with the Leftist ran status-quo. It's not going to work. Joe Biden* and the rest of them are not going to get re-elected if they start a war this time. This ain't the 90's or the early 2000's. -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
Friday, February 18, 2022 1:10 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Who is the evil one, again?
Saturday, February 19, 2022 5:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Kiev shelling civilians just to start war. Huh. Who is the evil one, again?
Saturday, February 19, 2022 6:48 AM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 7:50 AM
Quote: Neuer Aktenfund von 1991 stützt russischen Vorwurf Russland behauptet seit Jahrzehnten, die Nato-Osterweiterung verstoße gegen westliche Zusagen nach dem Mauerfall. Nun ist ein bemerkenswertes Dokument aufgetaucht.
Quote: New file find from 1991 supports Russian accusation Russia has been claiming for decades that NATO's eastward expansion violates Western promises after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now a remarkable document has surfaced.
Quote: West promised not to expand NATO – Der Spiegel NATO deceived Russia about expansion and a British document proves it, top German weekly discovers A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Moscow that NATO would not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday comes as expansion of the US-led bloc has led to a military standoff in Eastern Europe. The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the Western officials made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO would not push into territory east of Germany. “We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz. “NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added. A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.” “We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe [sic],” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.” The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well. The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point. Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.” Honored to work with @derspiegel's Klaus Wiegrefe in drawing attention to British documents (cc: @UkNatArchives) from 1990-1991 showing senior Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge. Link below: https://t.co/hep8aCKRrM — Josh Shifrinson (@shifrinson) February 18, 2022 “Senior policymakers deny a non-expansion pledge was offered. This new document shows otherwise,” Shifrinson said in a follow-up tweet, noting that “beyond” the Elbe or Oder by any standard includes Eastern European countries to which NATO started expanding just eight years later. During a major press conference in December 2021, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West had promised the Soviet Union NATO would not expand “a single inch” to the east, but “brazenly deceived” and “cheated” Moscow to do just that. Responding to these comments, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance “has never promised not to expand.” In an interview with Der Spiegel later, Stoltenberg repeated that “there has never been such a promise, there has never been such a behind-the-scenes deal, it is simply not true.” NATO admitted Poland, Hungary, and Czechia in March 1999, just before launching an air war against Yugoslavia without the permission of the UN Security Council. This put NATO directly on the Russian border – the enclave of Kaliningrad – for the first time ever. The next round of expansion in 2004 included the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, placing NATO’s eastern frontier just 135 kilometers (84 miles) from St. Petersburg. In a series of security proposals made public in December, Russia demanded NATO publicly renounce expansion to the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia and withdraw US forces to the 1997 boundaries of the bloc, among other things. The US and NATO have rejected this, arguing the alliance’s “open door” membership policy is a fundamental principle for them.
Saturday, February 19, 2022 8:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Find me that quote about budgeoneed corpses. Bc every time you quote Simoyan, you keep returning to the same quote where she tells the absolute truth: Thousands of CIVILIANS were killed in easterm Ukraine (3000+, which -last time I checked- qualifies as "thousands") and... Once you've been blown apart by shell or landmine, there really IS little left to bury. So, who's lying here? Simoyan, who's telling the truth? Or SECOND, who's trying to bury it?
Saturday, February 19, 2022 8:16 AM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, I'm on the side of TRUTH, wherever it happens to lead. You OTOH lie - constantly, demonstrably. And when you're shown to be lying, you resort to the oldest dodge in the book - you name-call! Really??? How old are you? Four? Well, YOU eat boogers! How's THAT for a response? It's just like yours.
Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:06 AM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: It's hilarious watching the hypocrisy here. Second is fully on board with Trudeau stomping people in Canada who aren't doing anything wrong. And there's PLENTY of video evidence of it. Second is cheering for tyranny in Canada.
Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not only will USA politics be upended, so will EU politics if the gas is shut off. Given thata war and subsequent sanctions will be a disaster for Ukraine and the EU (JOE* apparently has no problem throwing "allies and partners under the bus).. who is self-destructive enough to set this off?
Saturday, February 19, 2022 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: It's hilarious watching the hypocrisy here. Second is fully on board with Trudeau stomping people in Canada who aren't doing anything wrong. And there's PLENTY of video evidence of it. Second is cheering for tyranny in Canada.I do not care what happens to insane truckers. I'm not buying their tomfoolery about Trudeau being a tyrant. Meanwhile, Putin is selling tomfoolery about Ukraine committing genocide. I'm not buying that, either. Putin is as insane as Canadian bridge blocking truckers, except Putin can believably threaten to destroy bridges. Just realized that insane truckers and insane Putin may have insane definitions of "tyranny" and "genocide". Their loss of touch with reality might explain Putin's and truckers' insanity. Oh, and claiming a loss was a win is Trump's insane redefining the word "win". The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, February 19, 2022 11:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not only will USA politics be upended, so will EU politics if the gas is shut off. Given thata war and subsequent sanctions will be a disaster for Ukraine and the EU (JOE* apparently has no problem throwing "allies and partners under the bus).. who is self-destructive enough to set this off?
Saturday, February 19, 2022 12:22 PM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 3:27 PM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 4:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Has anyone here seen the movie Behind the Curve [2018]? The last few minutes have genuine Flat Earthers doing a "scientific" experiment to prove the Earth is flat. It involved two boats on the water and a light beam with experimenters (who believe the Earth is flat) on both boats talking to each other over the radio. What did they prove? That the Earth is flat. They created fake explanations. True believers believe that light moves in a curve while the Earth is flat. True believers believe Ukraine shot down Flight MH17, not Russia and believe Biden stole the election, not Trump failed to steal and believe Trudeau is a tyrant, not that truckers are insane and believe vaccines kill while nobody dies of Covid-19. True believers create their own little version of reality.
Saturday, February 19, 2022 5:07 PM
Saturday, February 19, 2022 6:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Has anyone here seen the movie Behind the Curve [2018]? The last few minutes have genuine Flat Earthers doing a "scientific" experiment to prove the Earth is flat. It involved two boats on the water and a light beam with experimenters (who believe the Earth is flat) on both boats talking to each other over the radio. What did they prove? That the Earth is flat. They created fake explanations. True believers believe that light moves in a curve while the Earth is flat. True believers believe Ukraine shot down Flight MH17, not Russia and believe Biden stole the election, not Trump failed to steal and believe Trudeau is a tyrant, not that truckers are insane and believe vaccines kill while nobody dies of Covid-19. True believers create their own little version of reality. Behind the Curve 2018 / TV-14 / 1h 36m https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8132700/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Curve https://www.commonsensemedia.org/movie-reviews/behind-the-curve The Flat Earthers know they won the argument. About that there can be no argument because logic, science, facts, and commonsense are on the Flat Earth side as on Russia's side. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, February 20, 2022 9:24 AM
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Sunday, February 20, 2022 11:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Russian State TV Is So Ridiculous Right Now It Looks Like a Farce
Sunday, February 20, 2022 2:00 PM
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