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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
As shucks. The Vote Hijacking Act didn't go through?

Title error. Control should have been Steal, Defraud, or Hijack.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think you have some strange ideas ideas about KIKI, SIX. She's not a karen, and she's not your typical liberal. There are bad feelings between the two of you and you're being blinded by your emotions, as usual.

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Kiki and I have had arguments over this specific issue in the past. She's against voter ID and will tell you that it's because black people can't get to the DMV.

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But, OK, I thought the two issues (the fillibuster and the Vote Steal Act) were tiedd together, and that you were referring to the Vote Steal Act, since Biden* has been making such a Big Deal about it.

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Yeah... no.

Biden* and the Legacy Media are using their lies about the Vote Steal Act as a way to try to garner support from lemmings through the Legacy Media to kill the Filibuster and try to shame anyone with their lies who didn't go along with it (particularly aimed at Manchin and Senima, while also lying and claiming that the entire Republican party is racist against black people and that Democrats are the only ones who can stop it by destroying the Senate, while also having the additional intention of hiding the fact that most of these Senators have votes on record to protect the Filibuster in the past). My concern over the Vote Steal act was a mere fraction of my concern over the Filibuster being killed because of the damage that could be done afterward.

As an example, the very first thing that Democrats would do is try to pass 50 votes on legislation mandating everyone be vaccinated through the Congressional Process which seeing as how the SC decision went down would almost surely not be shot down by the SC if it went in front of them after that fact.

The only hope against a direct government mandate on vaccination without the Filibuster would be Manchin and Sinema at that point.

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The funny thing is, the DEMS just used the fillibuster to block the Repub's Russia sanctions bill. So, ironically, the DEMS used a procedure that they're against (fillibuster) to block a bill that they say they would be for (sanctions against Russia).

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Yeah. I know. I made a thread about that on Sunday.

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Senate Democrats Use the Jim Crow Filibuster to Protect the Kremlin

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Want to talk about a political party that has lost the plot?

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That's what we're doing right now, isn't it?



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Kiki and I have had arguments over this specific issue in the past. She's against voter ID and will tell you that it's because black people can't get to the DMV.

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That's what we're doing right now, isn't it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As usual, I added to my thread.

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Kiki and I have had arguments over this specific issue in the past. She's against voter ID and will tell you that it's because black people can't get to the DMV.

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I hope this isn't another case of you posting that KIKI posted something that she didn't. Maybe KIKI should weigh in.

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It may be claimed that I'm oversimplifying a 3 or 4 day argument to only one sentence, but that was my takaway from it. In any event, unless she's changed her mind from a few years ago, Kiki is against Voter ID requirements.

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In any case, if the Dems are so concerned about it, they should have an outreach program, where they send a letter to everyone THAT THEY SENT A BALLOT TO telling them of the new requirement and offering to help with rides, and getting official copies of that all-important birth certificate (THAT takes $, which the DNC can pay for. But once you have a copy it is useful for all kinds of things!). At least the DNC can use its money to promote actual democracy and honest voting, instead of scamming the American public.

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I agree fully. I want everyone who wants to vote to be able to vote. I just don't feel that I'm being unreasonable by wanting to have confidence that nobody is cheating.

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That's what we're doing right now, isn't it?

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HAHAHA! True!

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CNN Scrambles To Explain Away Joe Biden Saying 2022 Midterms Could Be "Illegitimate"

CNN hosts scrambled to explain away Joe Biden’s remark during his car crash of a press conference when he said that the 2022 mid-term elections could be “illegitimate.”

Former President Donald Trump was vehemently monstered by the media both in 2016 and 2020 for suggesting the election outcome could be compromised.

Following the riot on January 6 last year, Trump’s so-called undermining of the election process was blamed for the raid on the Capitol itself.

Tens of millions of Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was rigged have also been denounced as everything from dangerous radicals to domestic terrorists.

So when Joe Biden questioned the legitimacy of the upcoming election during a live press conference, the media was placed in an invidious position.

Biden was asked by a reporter if the election could be considered legitimate if he was unable to pass his voting reforms.

“It all depends on whether or not we’re able to make the case to the American people that some of this is being set up to try to alter the outcome of the election,” Biden responded.
’m not saying it’s going to be legit,” Biden added, before noting, “The increase in the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these reforms passed.”

Both Maryland Senator Ben Cardin and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin quickly expressed concern at Biden’s rhetoric.

CNN hosts also scrambled to explain away Biden’s clumsy response.

“Well, particularly the first part, Anderson, what he said was–actually, the entire thing, but particularly the first part was, probably the most jarring to hear a president of the United States who is not Donald Trump even suggest, ahead of time, that an election isn’t legitimate,” said Dana Bash.

She continued, “Having said that, the important thing to keep in mind is what he was trying to say, and that is in places like Arizona and places like Georgia, especially, that will determine, votes will determine not only the governor’s race, but this balance of power in the Senate, you have another Senate race there. The laws that were put in place in Georgia were such that the legislature — the Republican-led legislature has the ability to take the power away from the secretary of state to determine an election.”

“That is what he was trying to say, but it’s not exactly how he said it, which is why it was so jarring. The people who know what he was trying to say

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get it. But still, with this kind of language, given where we are with the Republican party and how you have a former president trying to continue to sew doubt and claim that the election in 2020 was stolen, which is a total lie. That is an area where I know talking to Democrats they believe the president needs to be a lot more nuanced,” Bash added.

This serves as yet another reminder as to why Biden barely ever holds press conferences.

After she lost in 2016, Hillary Clinton also repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election, blaming Trump’s win on the baseless Russian collusion conspiracy theory.

“It’s OK when we do it!”

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, no kidding.

Naked power grab by the DNC, and their only hope of not getting wiped out in 2022.

I mean, who the fuck could possibly be against voter ID?

The only ones who are against it are those who want to cheat.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
At least the DNC can use its money to promote actual democracy and honest voting, instead of scamming the American public.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quotes AND LINKS, Jack!

Or it's ...

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Originally posted by 6ixstringjack:
If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.

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Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quotes AND LINKS, Jack!

Or it's ...

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http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60512&mid=10236
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Monday, February 6th, 2017:

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Originally posted by 6ixstringjack:
If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.

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Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.

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At least as of February of 2017, Kiki didn't even believe there was a problem that required Voter ID to solve, let alone think it should be done.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
The problem is, jack, you haven't demonstrated that there IS a problem requiring voter id as a solution.

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I think to be a rock-solid process, ideally it should be based on either a birth certificate or valid naturalization papers. I don't know what the process is for getting a copy of your birth certificate for all states, but I do know it always involves a state fee.

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many states have made the process extremely onerous - you have to have notarized documents and show up in person

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But as I posted elsewhere, the Dems are not about to go out of their way for their constituency.

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interesting list at these links
http://www.voteriders.org/voter-id?gclid=CI7I68nP_NECFQ5Efgod-L0LJA
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx
Wisconsin seems to have gone out of its way to disenfranchise voters, as did Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, (at least) :
IDs that are NOT VALID for voting in Wisconsin include:
Non-Wisconsin driver’s licenses
Student ID from an accredited WI university, college, or technical college that does NOT contain the student’s name, signature, picture, date the card was issued and expiration date (maximum two years) plus SEPARATE proof of enrollment.
Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage. Wisconsin requires that the name on your photo ID “conform to the voter’s name on the poll list,” although “an exact match is not necessary.” Consequently, whether a woman - or any other - voter receives a regular ballot is subject to poll workers’ interpretation.
Alaska link doesn't work, Montana and Arkansas don't explicitly state acceptable identification ...

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Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.

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As I've posted more than once, I'm in favor of voter id ...

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I think to be a rock-solid process, ideally it should be based on either a birth certificate or valid naturalization papers.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


THANKS! for the Jack-link!

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You're welcome. It's a pleasure to provide you with plenty of bullshit that came out of your mouth that you can try to spin into something else.

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Because here are the parts I posted you didn't want to quote:

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
At this point voter ID isn't an issue, if people are no longer voting in person.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thanks for the extended quotes KIKI that prove that you are for voter ID.

And thanks for the links, SIX, that show that you have a serious gritch against KIKI and will "misinterpret" ( and that's a generous characterization) anything she posts.

Truth will out, SIX, and it's not on your side.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have a habit of not reading very carefully and it shows.

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SIGNYM:
You have a habit of not reading very carefully and it shows.

SIX: That's exactly what you're doing right now.
Kiki was against voter ID in 2017, even saying that there was no reason for it.
I'm glad she's changed her mind now, but it's only because we have widespread unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots being sent out that she's okay with it.

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Friends like her get people in trouble.

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Friends like her get people in trouble.

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Is that a threat, second?

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Oh, also, you don't deny working with SECOND, and the only thing you deny is an intention to personally come over and do physical violence, which - knowing how you think - is informative.

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SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"?

KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem.

In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered!

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Now, can we get back to the topic at hand?


https://theduran.locals.com/post/1585310/locals-exclusive-bidens-compl
aints-about-election-legitimacy-and-2022-mid-terms-re-open-questions

Not sure if you can reach this bc it's by subscription, but let's try.



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SIGNYM:
SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"?

KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem.

In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered!


SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble.
She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now.
She's a moron.

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SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs.
Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way.
I don't make threats.

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Now, can we get back to the topic at hand?


https://theduran.locals.com/post/1585310/locals-exclusive-bidens-compl
aints-about-election-legitimacy-and-2022-mid-terms-re-open-questions

Not sure if you can reach this bc it's by subscription, but let's try.



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It only shows a few second preview, to watch the whole thing you have to be a member.

I know he generally goes into a lot of detail, but if you could easily summarize what it's about (without it chewing up a lot of your time), I'd appreciate it.

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SIGNYM:
SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"?

KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem.

In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered!


SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble.
She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now.
She's a moron.

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SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs.
Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way.
I don't make threats.

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That's a dishonest answer. Online discussions aren't "associations". And how can an online discussion get anyone "in trouble" unless someone decides to MAKE trouble?

Are you planning on making trouble?
Do you know someone who is?

I'm beginning to wonder about you, too.

Whether you meant it or not, your statement was an implied threat. And you didn't exactly take it back, you doubled down on it.

Please check your hostility at the door. KIKI AGREED WITH YOU and you would see that if you were thinking and reading clearly. I don't know what your problem is!

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SIGNYM:
SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"?

KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem.

In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered!


SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble.
She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now.
She's a moron.

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SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs.
Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way.
I don't make threats.

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That's a dishonest answer. Online discussions aren't "associations". And how can an online discussion get anyone "in trouble" unless someone decides to MAKE trouble?

Are you planning on making trouble?
Do you know someone who is?

I'm beginning to wonder about you, too.

Whether you meant it or not, your statement was an implied threat. And you didn't exactly take it back, you doubled down on it.

Please check your hostility at the door. KIKI AGREED WITH YOU and you would see that if you were thinking and reading clearly. I don't know what your problem is!

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I'll put it this way...

If I had any intention of traveling to California to meet up with Kiki, she will be the first person to know I'm coming.

42 years of my life have gone by, and I've never once sat in a place that is 250 miles away from where I'm sitting.

Online dumbassery is not going to be the catalyst that finally gets me to leave a state that doesn't border Lake Michigan.

Is that clear enough for you?


And if Kiki really believes that I'm in league with Second, she's smoking crack.

She'd better check that paranoia. I hear that being locked down in isolation for two years can do that to you.

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Well, I'm relieved to read that it was just an intemperate post on your part!

I just wish you would realize that KIKI agrees with you. But I know you will continue to feel... and post... that she's against voter ID.

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