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Another Democrat Attempt to Control Democracy Fails
Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:38 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, January 20, 2022 12:50 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:04 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:11 PM
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: As shucks. The Vote Hijacking Act didn't go through? Title error. Control should have been Steal, Defraud, or Hijack.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:24 PM
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I think you have some strange ideas ideas about KIKI, SIX. She's not a karen, and she's not your typical liberal. There are bad feelings between the two of you and you're being blinded by your emotions, as usual.
Quote:But, OK, I thought the two issues (the fillibuster and the Vote Steal Act) were tiedd together, and that you were referring to the Vote Steal Act, since Biden* has been making such a Big Deal about it.
Quote:The funny thing is, the DEMS just used the fillibuster to block the Repub's Russia sanctions bill. So, ironically, the DEMS used a procedure that they're against (fillibuster) to block a bill that they say they would be for (sanctions against Russia).
Quote:Senate Democrats Use the Jim Crow Filibuster to Protect the Kremlin
Quote:Want to talk about a political party that has lost the plot?
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:40 PM
Quote: Kiki and I have had arguments over this specific issue in the past. She's against voter ID and will tell you that it's because black people can't get to the DMV.
Quote:That's what we're doing right now, isn't it?
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: As usual, I added to my thread. Quote: Kiki and I have had arguments over this specific issue in the past. She's against voter ID and will tell you that it's because black people can't get to the DMV. I hope this isn't another case of you posting that KIKI posted something that she didn't. Maybe KIKI should weigh in.
Quote:In any case, if the Dems are so concerned about it, they should have an outreach program, where they send a letter to everyone THAT THEY SENT A BALLOT TO telling them of the new requirement and offering to help with rides, and getting official copies of that all-important birth certificate (THAT takes $, which the DNC can pay for. But once you have a copy it is useful for all kinds of things!). At least the DNC can use its money to promote actual democracy and honest voting, instead of scamming the American public.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 1:55 PM
Quote:CNN Scrambles To Explain Away Joe Biden Saying 2022 Midterms Could Be "Illegitimate" CNN hosts scrambled to explain away Joe Biden’s remark during his car crash of a press conference when he said that the 2022 mid-term elections could be “illegitimate.” Former President Donald Trump was vehemently monstered by the media both in 2016 and 2020 for suggesting the election outcome could be compromised. Following the riot on January 6 last year, Trump’s so-called undermining of the election process was blamed for the raid on the Capitol itself. Tens of millions of Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was rigged have also been denounced as everything from dangerous radicals to domestic terrorists. So when Joe Biden questioned the legitimacy of the upcoming election during a live press conference, the media was placed in an invidious position. Biden was asked by a reporter if the election could be considered legitimate if he was unable to pass his voting reforms. “It all depends on whether or not we’re able to make the case to the American people that some of this is being set up to try to alter the outcome of the election,” Biden responded. ’m not saying it’s going to be legit,” Biden added, before noting, “The increase in the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these reforms passed.” Both Maryland Senator Ben Cardin and West Virginia’s Joe Manchin quickly expressed concern at Biden’s rhetoric. CNN hosts also scrambled to explain away Biden’s clumsy response. “Well, particularly the first part, Anderson, what he said was–actually, the entire thing, but particularly the first part was, probably the most jarring to hear a president of the United States who is not Donald Trump even suggest, ahead of time, that an election isn’t legitimate,” said Dana Bash. She continued, “Having said that, the important thing to keep in mind is what he was trying to say, and that is in places like Arizona and places like Georgia, especially, that will determine, votes will determine not only the governor’s race, but this balance of power in the Senate, you have another Senate race there. The laws that were put in place in Georgia were such that the legislature — the Republican-led legislature has the ability to take the power away from the secretary of state to determine an election.” “That is what he was trying to say, but it’s not exactly how he said it, which is why it was so jarring. The people who know what he was trying to say
Quote: get it. But still, with this kind of language, given where we are with the Republican party and how you have a former president trying to continue to sew doubt and claim that the election in 2020 was stolen, which is a total lie. That is an area where I know talking to Democrats they believe the president needs to be a lot more nuanced,” Bash added. This serves as yet another reminder as to why Biden barely ever holds press conferences. After she lost in 2016, Hillary Clinton also repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of the election, blaming Trump’s win on the baseless Russian collusion conspiracy theory. “It’s OK when we do it!”
Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Jeezus, no kidding. Naked power grab by the DNC, and their only hope of not getting wiped out in 2022. I mean, who the fuck could possibly be against voter ID? The only ones who are against it are those who want to cheat.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: At least the DNC can use its money to promote actual democracy and honest voting, instead of scamming the American public.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:44 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:20 PM
Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quotes AND LINKS, Jack! Or it's ...
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixstringjack: If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period. Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixstringjack: If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: The problem is, jack, you haven't demonstrated that there IS a problem requiring voter id as a solution.
Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quotes AND LINKS, Jack! Or it's ... http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60512&mid=1023669 Monday, February 6th, 2017: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixstringjack: If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period. Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy. At least as of February of 2017, Kiki didn't even believe there was a problem that required Voter ID to solve, let alone think it should be done. Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: The problem is, jack, you haven't demonstrated that there IS a problem requiring voter id as a solution. OPPS
Friday, January 21, 2022 8:45 AM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:34 AM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 1:19 PM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:51 PM
Quote:I think to be a rock-solid process, ideally it should be based on either a birth certificate or valid naturalization papers. I don't know what the process is for getting a copy of your birth certificate for all states, but I do know it always involves a state fee.
Quote:many states have made the process extremely onerous - you have to have notarized documents and show up in person
Quote:But as I posted elsewhere, the Dems are not about to go out of their way for their constituency.
Quote:interesting list at these links http://www.voteriders.org/voter-id?gclid=CI7I68nP_NECFQ5Efgod-L0LJA http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx Wisconsin seems to have gone out of its way to disenfranchise voters, as did Texas, Tennessee, Mississippi, (at least) : IDs that are NOT VALID for voting in Wisconsin include: Non-Wisconsin driver’s licenses Student ID from an accredited WI university, college, or technical college that does NOT contain the student’s name, signature, picture, date the card was issued and expiration date (maximum two years) plus SEPARATE proof of enrollment. Groups impacted by the voter ID law are those who may not have a current WI driver’s license: students, older adults, people with disabilities or low income, and voters of color. Women’s right to vote is also at risk because 90% change their names upon marriage. Wisconsin requires that the name on your photo ID “conform to the voter’s name on the poll list,” although “an exact match is not necessary.” Consequently, whether a woman - or any other - voter receives a regular ballot is subject to poll workers’ interpretation. Alaska link doesn't work, Montana and Arkansas don't explicitly state acceptable identification ...
Quote:Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.
Quote:As I've posted more than once, I'm in favor of voter id ...
Quote:I think to be a rock-solid process, ideally it should be based on either a birth certificate or valid naturalization papers.
Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: THANKS! for the Jack-link!
Quote:Because here are the parts I posted you didn't want to quote:
Saturday, January 22, 2022 3:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: At this point voter ID isn't an issue, if people are no longer voting in person.
Saturday, January 22, 2022 4:04 PM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 6:11 PM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 7:04 PM
Saturday, January 22, 2022 9:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Thanks for the extended quotes KIKI that prove that you are for voter ID. And thanks for the links, SIX, that show that you have a serious gritch against KIKI and will "misinterpret" ( and that's a generous characterization) anything she posts. Truth will out, SIX, and it's not on your side.
Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:28 AM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 7:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You have a habit of not reading very carefully and it shows.
Sunday, January 23, 2022 11:18 AM
Quote:SIGNYM: You have a habit of not reading very carefully and it shows. SIX: That's exactly what you're doing right now. Kiki was against voter ID in 2017, even saying that there was no reason for it. I'm glad she's changed her mind now, but it's only because we have widespread unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots being sent out that she's okay with it.
Sunday, January 23, 2022 11:48 AM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:24 PM
Quote:Friends like her get people in trouble.
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Friends like her get people in trouble. Is that a threat, second?
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:38 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:42 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:49 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 3:55 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Oh, also, you don't deny working with SECOND, and the only thing you deny is an intention to personally come over and do physical violence, which - knowing how you think - is informative.
Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:51 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:56 PM
Sunday, January 23, 2022 11:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"? KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem. In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered!
Monday, January 24, 2022 1:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Now, can we get back to the topic at hand? https://theduran.locals.com/post/1585310/locals-exclusive-bidens-complaints-about-election-legitimacy-and-2022-mid-terms-re-open-questions Not sure if you can reach this bc it's by subscription, but let's try. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Monday, January 24, 2022 6:14 AM
Quote:SIGNYM: SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"? KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem. In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered! SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble. She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now. She's a moron.
Quote: SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs. Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way. I don't make threats.
Monday, January 24, 2022 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Now, can we get back to the topic at hand? https://theduran.locals.com/post/1585310/locals-exclusive-bidens-complaints-about-election-legitimacy-and-2022-mid-terms-re-open-questions Not sure if you can reach this bc it's by subscription, but let's try. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Monday, January 24, 2022 11:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIGNYM: SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"? KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem. In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered! SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble. She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now. She's a moron. Followed by... Quote: SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs. Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way. I don't make threats. That's a dishonest answer. Online discussions aren't "associations". And how can an online discussion get anyone "in trouble" unless someone decides to MAKE trouble? Are you planning on making trouble? Do you know someone who is? I'm beginning to wonder about you, too. Whether you meant it or not, your statement was an implied threat. And you didn't exactly take it back, you doubled down on it. Please check your hostility at the door. KIKI AGREED WITH YOU and you would see that if you were thinking and reading clearly. I don't know what your problem is! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Monday, January 24, 2022 3:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIGNYM: SIX, HOW could someone like KIKI get me "in trouble"? KIKI is expressing an opinion, was having a detailed discussion about not only the IDEA of voter ID but also how it was being practiced by various states, some of which seemed obstructive... Something we're all allowed to do online, right? There was nothing inflammatory or even particularly novel about her observations or opinions, it YOU with YOUR obsessions and anger that's causing the problem. In fact, between the two of you, if anyone would cause me "trouble" it would be you. So stop throwing hissy fits over nothing. Because apparently you can't even take agreement when it's offered! SIX: Associating with stupid people can get anyone into trouble. She thinks I'm in cahoots with Second now. She's a moron. Followed by... Quote: SIX: Only if you recognize that you are a threat to Sigs. Don't worry, sweetie. If you ever do anything that makes me come at you, you'll know full well I'm on my way. I don't make threats. That's a dishonest answer. Online discussions aren't "associations". And how can an online discussion get anyone "in trouble" unless someone decides to MAKE trouble? Are you planning on making trouble? Do you know someone who is? I'm beginning to wonder about you, too. Whether you meant it or not, your statement was an implied threat. And you didn't exactly take it back, you doubled down on it. Please check your hostility at the door. KIKI AGREED WITH YOU and you would see that if you were thinking and reading clearly. I don't know what your problem is! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake I'll put it this way... If I had any intention of traveling to California to meet up with Kiki, she will be the first person to know I'm coming. 42 years of my life have gone by, and I've never once sat in a place that is 250 miles away from where I'm sitting. Online dumbassery is not going to be the catalyst that finally gets me to leave a state that doesn't border Lake Michigan. Is that clear enough for you? And if Kiki really believes that I'm in league with Second, she's smoking crack. She'd better check that paranoia. I hear that being locked down in isolation for two years can do that to you. -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
Monday, January 24, 2022 3:31 PM
Monday, January 24, 2022 4:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, I'm relieved to read that it was just an intemperate post on your part! I just wish you would realize that KIKI agrees with you. But I know you will continue to feel... and post... that she's against voter ID.
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