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0 December 202118:10
Foreign Ministry statement on dialogue with the United States and other Western countries regarding security guarantees

2570-10-12-2021

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We note US President Joseph Biden’s readiness expressed at the December 7, 2021 talks with President Vladimir Putin to establish a serious dialogue on issues related to ensuring the security of the Russian Federation. Such a dialogue is urgently needed today when the relations between Russia and the collective West continue to decay and have approached a critical line. At the same time, numerous loose interpretations of our position have emerged in recent days. In this connection we feel it is necessary to once again clarify the following.

Escalating a confrontation with our country is absolutely unacceptable. As a pretext, the West is using the situation in Ukraine, where it embarked on encouraging Russophobia and justifying the actions of the Kiev regime to undermine the Minsk agreements and prepare for a military scenario in Donbass.

Instead of reigning in their Ukrainian protégés, NATO countries are pushing Kiev towards aggressive steps. There can be no alternative interpretation of the increasing number of unplanned exercises by the United States and its allies in the Black Sea. NATO members’ aircraft, including strategic bombers, regularly make provocative flights and dangerous manoeuvres in close proximity to Russia’s borders. The militarisation of Ukraine’s territory and pumping it with weapons are ongoing.

The course has been chosen of drawing Ukraine into NATO, which is fraught with the deployment of strike missile systems there with a minimal flight time to Central Russia, and other destabilising weapons. Such irresponsible behaviour creates grave military risks for all parties involved, up to and including a large-scale conflict in Europe.

At the same time, statements are made that the issue of Ukraine’s hypothetical NATO membership concerns exclusively Kiev and the Alliance, and that nobody should interfere in this process. Let us recall, however, that NATO countries, apart from the Washington Treaty, have obligations regarding the indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic and the entire OSCE space. This principle was initially proclaimed in the Helsinki Final Act and was later reaffirmed in the Charter of Paris for a New Europe of 1990, which states: “Security is indivisible and the security of every participating State is inseparably linked to that of all the others”, whereas in 1999, The Charter for European Security was adopted at the OSCE Istanbul summit, which stressed that the participating States “will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States.”

All these documents were signed by the leaders of the OSCE member-states, including all NATO countries. However, in violation of the principle of indivisible security – as well as in violation of the promises given to the Soviet leaders – NATO has been persistently moving eastwards all these years while neglecting Moscow’s concerns. Furthermore, each new member added to NATO’s frenzied anti-Russia charge.

We have been saying for a long time that such developments are inadmissible. Over the past decades we have offered a number of times to render the principle of comprehensive and indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic a legally binding status since the West is obviously inclined to disregard its political obligations. However, we were invariably refused.

In this connection, as President Vladimir Putin stressed, we insist that serious long-term legal guarantees are provided, which would exclude NATO’s further advancement to the east and deployment of weapons on Russia’s western borders which are a threat to Russia. This must be done within a specific timeframe and on the basis of the principle of comprehensive and indivisible security.

To ensure the vital interests of European security, it is necessary to officially disavow the decision taken at the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest about “Ukraine and Georgia becoming NATO members” as contrary to the commitment undertaken by all the OSCE participating States “not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States.”

We insist on the adoption of a legally binding agreement regarding the US and other NATO member countries’ non-deployment of strike weapons systems which threaten the territory of the Russian Federation on the territories of adjacent countries, both members and non-members of NATO.

We also insist on receiving a concrete response from NATO to our previous proposals on decreasing tension in Europe, including the following points:

- withdrawal of regions for operative military exercises to an agreed distance from Russia-NATO contact line;

- coordination of the closest approach point of combat ships and aircraft to prevent dangerous military activities, primarily in the Baltic and Black Sea regions;

- renewal of regular dialogue between the defence ministries in the Russia-US and Russia-NATO formats.

We call on Washington to join Russia’s unilateral moratorium on the deployment of surface short- and intermediate-range missiles in Europe, to agree on and introduce measures for the verification of reciprocal obligations.

Russia will shortly present draft international legal documents in the indicated areas to launch talks in respective formats.

In particular, we will submit a comprehensive proposal on legal security guarantees as part of preparations for the next round of the Russia-US dialogue on strategic stability. We will advocate holding an in-depth discussion of the military aspects of ensuring security via defence ministries with the engagement of the foreign ministries of Russia and NATO countries.

We believe that the OSCE, which includes all countries of the Euro-Atlantic region, should not to stay on the sidelines of discussions on addressing the issues of Europe’s security.

We urge our partners to carefully examine Russia’s proposals and start serious talks on agreements that will provide a fair and sustainable balance of interests in our common space.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Putin never wanted Ukraine. It's a garbage dump full of westerners and oligarch rats gnawing whatever flesh is left.

Oh, btw - Chernobyl? That's Ukraine, not Russia, fyi. Another oozing festering Ukrainian rot.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Oh. You mean the US isn't free to create 'fuck the EU' coups wherever they want anymore?

Oh. Dear.

Now we know where you stand on 'democracy'.

Oh, btw, we already know you hate the US.

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1KIKI:

Putin never wanted Ukraine. It's a garbage dump full of westerners and oligarch rats gnawing whatever flesh is left.

Oh, btw - Chernobyl? That's Ukraine, not Russia, fyi. Another oozing festering Ukrainian rot.

SECONDRATE: FYI, Putin has stuck his nose into crappy little Belarus for the same reason as he did Ukraine -- to save himself from overthrow.

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The Human Development Index (HDI) ranks nations based on an aggregation of quality of life statistics, including life expectancy, per capita income and education. Based on the quality of these indicators, a country is awarded a score from 0-1. Belarus’ HDI score stands at 0.80, which places the country in 53rd place worldwide. Despite their lack of political freedom, Belarussians have a standard of living well above the world average.

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My #1 priority is avoiding nuclear war with Russia. At this point either country can single-handedly destroy the entire planet at least a few times over. That's a good reason to not get into nuclear conflict, because nobody wins.
It's #1 because if we can't avoid nuclear war in the immediate future, then nothing else matters.

There are 4 kinds of pro-nuclear-war agendas I've noticed.
· One is to provoke Russia with every non-nuclear scenario that can be implemented, including setting up large NATO forces directly on the Russian border, sending nuclear-capable bombers to Europe, pre-deploying nuclear weapons in Europe, threatening or attacking Russia's allies (Syria, Venezuela, Iran), and instituting sanctions for extremely specious reasons - with the (apparent) assumption Russia won't retaliate either with nuclear weapons, or escalate into nuclear war. Most democrats and most republicans are behind this because they've both bought into the deep state regime.
· The second is by dropping out of nuclear treaties.
· The third is through the democratic-supported policy of US 'limited' nuclear first-strikes or 'limited' use of nuclear weapons in proxy wars. That might escalate directly into nuclear war. The other scenario that those brilliant minds haven't seemed to consider is that the US could be subjected to a 'limited' nuclear counterattack that we will have to endure in order to avoid all-out nuclear war.
· The fourth is by trying to have 'the best, fantastic, you would not imagine how unbelievable' nuclear arsenal; which as a side effect has already started another cold war, including the militarization of space.

When it comes to Venezuela, Russia (an ally) has already sent troops. In addition China (also an ally) has also just sent troops. Hopefully the US will think twice before militarily engaging two powerful countries.

As agents of the deep state, the msm has already started jonesing for confrontation, in the person of Fareed Zakaria, in a double-barreled CNN/ WaPo propaganda push. They're both summarized here with appropriate links to originals: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-02/cnn-wapo-demand-trump-furthe
r-escalate-tensions-russia

Given how gullible Americans are (WMDs, anyone?) and how steadfastly people refuse to learn the fact that the government lies all the time, I'll be interested to hear the candidates' takes on this.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Putin never wanted Ukraine. It's a garbage dump full of westerners and oligarch rats gnawing whatever flesh is left.

Oh, btw - Chernobyl? That's Ukraine, not Russia, fyi. Another oozing festering Ukrainian rot.

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Originally posted by THG:
Russia slaps 'foreign agent' label on rights monitor OVD-Info, blocks website

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Originally posted by THG:
WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Poland’s president on Monday said he has decided to veto a media bill that would have forced U.S. company Discovery to give up its controlling share in TVN, a Polish TV network.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/polish-president-vetoes-media-bil
l-that-targeted-us-company/ar-AASaVFA?ocid=msedgntp

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Originally posted by THG:
Moscow sees threat of new missile crisis as serious

Moscow considers the threat of a new missile crisis as serious, the RIA news agency cited Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying on Monday amid a standoff between Russia and Western powers over Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/moscow-sees-threat-of-new-missile
-crisis-as-serious/ar-AASaOGW?ocid=msedgntp

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Because the US has a KEY INTEREST in defending US borders!!! ... with Ukraine (check out any map!!! Ukraine is right there, bordering the US!) ... and isn't just provoking Russia ...

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1KIKI: Because the US has a KEY INTEREST in defending US borders!!! ... with Ukraine (check out any map!!! Ukraine is right there, bordering the US!) ... and isn't just provoking Russia ...


THUGR: Nope, we have a key interest in defending democracies against dictatorships.

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1KIKI: Because the US has a KEY INTEREST in defending US borders!!! ... with Ukraine (check out any map!!! Ukraine is right there, bordering the US!) ... and isn't just provoking Russia ...


THUGR: Nope, we have a key interest in defending democracies against dictatorships.

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Why?

That is, assuming that Ukraine even qualifies as a "democracy", that is; and that Russia qualifies as a "dictatorship".

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

THUGGER thinks the US qualifies as the supreme dictator of the world, able to remake any country into any image it finds more lucrativ...; convenien...; malleabl... ... there's a good word somewhere that means all of that.

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1KIKI: Because the US has a KEY INTEREST in defending US borders!!! ... with Ukraine (check out any map!!! Ukraine is right there, bordering the US!) ... and isn't just provoking Russia ...

THUGR: Nope, we have a key interest in defending democracies against dictatorships.

SIGNY: Why?
That is, assuming that Ukraine even qualifies as a "democracy", that is; and that Russia qualifies as a "dictatorship".

THUGR: It's obvious isn't it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Earth to THUGR: In what world does Biden* getting his head blown off by Putin, who appears to be holding all the cards, qualify as a "Putin disaster"?

Looks more like a Biden* disaster, to me. Unless you count Biden* braggadoccio/suicide as some sort of success, that is?

Again, like your video, the cartoon doesn't say what you think it does. Maybe you should understand your cartoons and videos before you post them?

Not BTW that I agree with the cartoon, just pointing out your general lack of understanding.

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Pity would be no more,
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you WANT a war with Russia? Because it is a war we would lose, no matter what the arena and whether conventional or nuclear. (Of course, in a nuclear war, we ALL lose, so... no winners there!)


Maybe Putin isn't as warlike as YOU are, THUGR, bc you seem pretty itchy to pull triggers. He's probably a better person than you are. You're just a hyperagressive asshole who seems to think that mindlessly picking fights "proves something".

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Pity would be no more,
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
These are not "protesters", and this is not a "protest".
It is an armed insurrection.
Those killed were armed groups attacking police stations.

Having watched videos of the insurrection, I can tell you what I did NOT see:

I did NOT see masses of people in the tens or hundreds of thousands pouring through the streets.

What I saw were small groups of well-armed young men attacking government buildings and looting stores. What MAY have started out as a protest against LPG price hikes has apparently been hijacked by a much smaller, armed group dedicated to overthrowing the government. So far, I see no evidence of broad, popular support.

Calling these "protests" is a much a perversion of reality as calling Jan 6 a "coup attempt".

Once again, you should be ashamed of being taken in by spin, but I know you're too dunderheaded to be embarrassed by your own gullibilty.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Putin never wanted Ukraine. It's a garbage dump full of westerners and oligarch rats gnawing whatever flesh is left.

Oh, btw - Chernobyl? That's Ukraine, not Russia, fyi. Another oozing festering Ukrainian rot.

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