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Originally posted by Niki2:
I dunno, Anthony. I think it depends on your definition of "thinking" voters...


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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

The 'thinking' voter hasn't done much better.

Stupid government enables broken voters.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
And now, don't you occasionally find yourself wishing that the chair had a switch on it?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Unfortunately, Anthony, you're right insofar as your argument goes. But people who pay attention have no chance of making their vote heard as long as there are enough stupid voters out there who buy into the buzz words and propaganda. If there were ENOUGH thinking voters to have power, I believe things WOULD be different.

I vote for the "lesser of two evils" and I will again, because I'm only GIVEN two viable choices; if thinking people did the nominating (or even got active in getting someone sensible NOMINATED), it would be different. JMHO.


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Yep. Time for a return to literacy tests, poll taxes, property ownership requirements, loyalty oaths, etc. so only the right people get to vote.

Sorry, but if you want a democracy, you gotta put up with people voting however they will. If you can't sell your vision, it may be the wrong product, or you may be telling the wrong story.

BTW, Marion Barry being returned to the D.C. Council by the voters in his (mostly African-American) ward, after his crack arrest and more recent troubles with the IRS, might be looked upon as supportive of Herman Cain's contention that Blacks are brainwashed.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
See, no one is arguing which side is right, or that voters are stupid because they don't vote for a particular side.

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The issue is that people vote but take no responsibilty for the flaws of government.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
And now, don't you occasionally find yourself wishing that the chair had a switch on it?

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Occasionally ?

I still like my exploding collars idea.

-F

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Originally posted by Geezer:
I'm not arguing that any particular side is right, either.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
But the argument is being made by the article Niki cited, and apparently by Niki herself, that "Stupid voters enable broken government".

This leads to the question "What are we to do with those stupid voters?"

Unfortunately, "stupid voters" usually ends up being defined as "People who don't vote as I would". And the result of anyone controlling who can vote, by poll tax, literacy test, etc. is that the folks who don't vote the 'right' way - in the opinion of those controlling - don't get to vote.

The only answer I can see is to let folks vote for Barry or Bachmann if they wish, but try to convince them it's not the best idea.

If you have any other suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them.

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Or support the government they elected. This has been pointed out here as one of the problems with Pres. Obama's term so far. Many of his supporters, once he was elected, said "Our job here is done." and left him to try to deal with Healthcare and other issues without grassroots pressure and support.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It still seems like blaming the victims to me. If someone is dumb enough to get conned, they're still a victim, aren't they?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma: I'd say nationalize broadcast but historically that's a bad idea,

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
This makes me think of two things:

1. When Princess Diana died, all of England and much of the world bitched and moaned about the evil paparazzi. I felt I was the only one thinking: stop buying every rag that prints a picture of Di, you morons. Then the photographers would stop chasing her. But the idiots just went out and bought more.

Yes, stupid people. Incapable of connecting cause and effect. Incapable of deciding NOT to be a part of the cause.

2. I was just reading about Perry and his "skepticism" of climate change, which reminded me of old threads on RWED. Otherwise intelligent-seeming posters stated their belief that scientists make all this up so they can get funding.

Ok, wait... Must get this off my chest...

Scientists falsify their research for money, but Big Oil and its politician leeches (Perry) would never do such a thing?

Scientists who have tenured jobs falsify their research for money, but Big Oil, with employment and income that depends solely on profit, would never do such a thing?

Scientists who work for educational institutions falsify their research for money, but Big Oil which exists purely to make a profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who might make 100K or so a year falsify their research for money, but Big Oil controlled by managers/stock holders with million dollar bonuses/incomes funded by company profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who must submit their work to peer-reviewed journals falsify their research for money, but Big Oil that only needs to stand up to the rigorous standards of Faux news would never do such a thing?

BTW, which science classes did Perry take in college? How were his grades?

Talk about stupid.

I really wish Perry would hold a town hall meeting in my town, and give me the mic.

Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over. I only hope the crash and burn, if we don't wise up and avoid it, isn't too ugly. The fall of Rome was followed by 1000 years of darkness...

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Then we have voter fraud. The pro-awl crowd proves that really it wasn't 3 people saying axe, but one person jumping around the room saying axe three times, and two people saying awl, and 7 people who wanted to live, then they have a huge uphill battle to fight to show that we have in fact decided for the left hand, and we each get an awl in our brain, regardless of how each of us individually voted.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, 6ix, it's subjective, but which of the Republican candidates do you figure is the lesser of two evils? I shouldn't ask, because you already expressed a preference for Ron Paul, but in my subjective opinion, they are ALL nutcases...so far.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
This makes me think of two things:

1. When Princess Diana died, all of England and much of the world bitched and moaned about the evil paparazzi. I felt I was the only one thinking: stop buying every rag that prints a picture of Di, you morons. Then the photographers would stop chasing her. But the idiots just went out and bought more.

Yes, stupid people. Incapable of connecting cause and effect. Incapable of deciding NOT to be a part of the cause.

2. I was just reading about Perry and his "skepticism" of climate change, which reminded me of old threads on RWED. Otherwise intelligent-seeming posters stated their belief that scientists make all this up so they can get funding.

Ok, wait... Must get this off my chest...

Scientists falsify their research for money, but Big Oil and its politician leeches (Perry) would never do such a thing?

Scientists who have tenured jobs falsify their research for money, but Big Oil, with employment and income that depends solely on profit, would never do such a thing?

Scientists who work for educational institutions falsify their research for money, but Big Oil which exists purely to make a profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who might make 100K or so a year falsify their research for money, but Big Oil controlled by managers/stock holders with million dollar bonuses/incomes funded by company profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who must submit their work to peer-reviewed journals falsify their research for money, but Big Oil that only needs to stand up to the rigorous standards of Faux news would never do such a thing?

BTW, which science classes did Perry take in college? How were his grades?

Talk about stupid.

I really wish Perry would hold a town hall meeting in my town, and give me the mic.

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It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
This makes me think of two things:

1. When Princess Diana died, all of England and much of the world bitched and moaned about the evil paparazzi. I felt I was the only one thinking: stop buying every rag that prints a picture of Di, you morons. Then the photographers would stop chasing her. But the idiots just went out and bought more.

Yes, stupid people. Incapable of connecting cause and effect. Incapable of deciding NOT to be a part of the cause.

2. I was just reading about Perry and his "skepticism" of climate change, which reminded me of old threads on RWED. Otherwise intelligent-seeming posters stated their belief that scientists make all this up so they can get funding.

Ok, wait... Must get this off my chest...

Scientists falsify their research for money, but Big Oil and its politician leeches (Perry) would never do such a thing?

Scientists who have tenured jobs falsify their research for money, but Big Oil, with employment and income that depends solely on profit, would never do such a thing?

Scientists who work for educational institutions falsify their research for money, but Big Oil which exists purely to make a profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who might make 100K or so a year falsify their research for money, but Big Oil controlled by managers/stock holders with million dollar bonuses/incomes funded by company profit would never do such a thing?

Scientists who must submit their work to peer-reviewed journals falsify their research for money, but Big Oil that only needs to stand up to the rigorous standards of Faux news would never do such a thing?

BTW, which science classes did Perry take in college? How were his grades?

Talk about stupid.

I really wish Perry would hold a town hall meeting in my town, and give me the mic.

Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over. I only hope the crash and burn, if we don't wise up and avoid it, isn't too ugly. The fall of Rome was followed by 1000 years of darkness...

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Seriously..... is this "Change" working for you?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Why can't it just require that airwave media provide a free set amount of advert time to credible candidates.

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So, how do we stop corporate and religious brainwashing?

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Yes, I blame voters for being stupid and getting us into this mess. Reagan I can excuse, but Bush? In 2004 no less? Stupid stupid stupid.

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What I said back around 2005 or so was that I could forgive someone for voting for Bush once, as a youthful indiscretion or a mistake, but to vote for him TWICE? That took not just ignorance, but aggressively stupid malice.

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It gives me an odd and dark sort of comfort, actually. If America crashes and burns, it's because we've earned it. Any society that puts Bachmann or Palin or Perry or Cain in charge is only a danger to the world and should clean the slate and start over.

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Okay, I don't mean to harp on it, but THAT was pretty much the point Gino was trying to make way back when. And honestly, if you think that a "clean slate" is going to happen without several million deaths at a minimum, you're dreaming. His solution was political assassination, if I recall, or targeted bombing. Seems horrific, but it's "cleaner" than utter chaos, I have to say.

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The Dark Enlightenment, also called neo-reactionary movement (sometimes abbreviated to NRx), is an anti-democratic, anti-egalitarian, reactionary philosophy. In 2007 and 2008, Curtis Yarvin, writing under the pen name Mencius Moldbug, articulated what would develop into Dark Enlightenment thinking. Yarvin's theories were elaborated and expanded by Nick Land, who first coined the term Dark Enlightenment in his essay of the same name. The term "Dark Enlightenment" refers to the Age of Enlightenment, in a pejorative sense.

The ideology generally rejects Whig historiography—the concept that history shows an inevitable progression towards greater liberty and enlightenment, culminating in liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy—in favor of a return to traditional societal constructs and forms of government, including absolute monarchism and other archaic forms of leadership such as cameralism.

In July 2010, Arnold Kling, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, coined the term "neo-reactionaries" to describe Yarvin and his followers.

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Democrats are democracy

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It is estimated that Stalin is responsible for the deaths of 43 million people and the Soviet Union as a whole for 63 million

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Researchers have since suggested that the story may have been an attempt to explain the existence of various human languages; others claim the tower is pure myth, a metaphor.
There is evidence, however, which suggests that the tower was was constructed under the watch of the great King Nebuchadnezzar II
In 586 BC, in a bid for world supremacy, he laid siege to Jerusalem, which was 500 miles to the west.
His army sacked the city and captured the most highly-skilled and highly-educated citizens.

These people were then brought to Babylon as prisoners of war, and forced to work for Nebuchadnezzar — the start of what is now known as the Babylonian captivity.
Crucially, however, as the Smithsonian Channel's documentary, 'Secrets Unlocked: Tower of Babel', noted: "While in Babylon, the captives became known as the Jewish people — the very authors of the Bible."
It was from this that another theory about the tower's later destruction was floated: that the captives went on to write of its destruction in a bid to "rewrite their history".
Experts believe that the Jews held captive in Babylon after the siege saw the huge tower being built and were at first mesmerised.

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Among three nations whose democratic transitions had inspired the most hope, Myanmar and Sudan have seen generals roar back, sacking civilian leaders and suppressing street protests, while in Tunisia, the birthplace of the Arab Spring a decade ago, the president seized wide-ranging powers.


Military juntas have also grabbed power in the West African nations of Guinea, Mali and Chad, while in Afghanistan, Taliban insurgents seized power after a US troop withdrawal brought the quick collapse of the Western-backed government.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Our military didn’t lose the war in Afghanistan, our politicians did
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/11/21/our-military-
didnt-lose-the-war-in-afghanistan-our-politicians-did/

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California is a multicultural patchwork with countless examples of existing enclaves such as Chinatowns?, Tehrangeles and Koreatown in Los Angeles?, as well as the many Chicano and Mexican neighborhoods?. Beyond existing designated enclaves, there are broader de-facto pan-enclaves with examples including Asian American areas in the San Gabriel Valley and parts of Northern Orange County, both South and East Asian areas throughout the Silicon Valley, African American areas in Historic South LA and parts of Oakland and Richmond in the Bay Area, and the heavily Jewish parts of LA’s Westside and San Fernando Valley.
You could even make the case that many European American areas in California are beginning to function as enclaves. Examples include the Sacramento Suburbs in Placer County, Clovis in the Fresno metro, parts of Marin County and Central Contra Costa County in the San Francisco Bay Area, San Luis Obispo on the Central Coast, South Eastern Ventura County, South Orange County, and North San Diego County.

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