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Taliban winning in Afghanistan

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.
When I think about it, the MIC/ spook agency arm of the Deep State is running the US military, covert ops, and foreign policy. Neither the President nor the Congress is in control of those. But that Deep State arm isn't running the US economy (not directly, even though the collective bloated budget does swing the US economy indirectly).

How much the 'think tank' arm of the Deep State is running the MIC/ spook agency arm I have no guess. But clearly the MIC/ spook agency arm has a self-serving (self-funded) agenda of its own, which it pursues, no matter what the President might order (as, say, commander-in-chief) or the Congress might say (per the budget).

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 7:33 PM

SIGNYM

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SIGNY: That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.

KIKI: When I think about it, the MIC/ spook agency arm of the Deep State is running the US military, covert ops, and foreign policy. Neither the President nor the Congress is in control of those. But that Deep State arm isn't running the US economy (not directly, even though the collective bloated budget does swing the US economy indirectly).

How much the 'think tank' arm of the Deep State is running the MIC/ spook agency arm I have no guess. But clearly the MIC/ spook agency arm has a self-serving (self-funded) agenda of its own, which it pursues, no matter what the President might order (as, say, commander-in-chief) or the Congress might say (per the budget).

So, what is (are) the OTHER part(s) of the deep state?

Just noodling about which parts I've observed working together and which partwork separately or (potentially) at cross-puposes...

The two agencies that I think work together most closely are the CIA and State Department. Embassies in foreign countries are natural covers for gathering foreign intelligence. No need to set up fake companies and fake identities (journalists, import/export, telecom etc) I have been told - and it makes sense- that many embassy staff are dual employees of both State and CIA. So the driver is CIA and the secretary is CIA etc. AFA the ambassadors themselves, most of them are appointed as political favors and have no clue about what's going on around them. But in sensitive embassies ... such as Ukraine, Libya, Iran, Georgia etc ... the ambassadors are fully "read into" CIA ops, whether it's gun running or regime change or what-have-you, and actively participate. The CIA gets some of its harebrained ideas from abroad (PNAC, written largely by Israel; Iraq/WMD and Trump/Russia from MI6) which overlaps with "thinktankistan".

Another cooperative arrangement is between the CIA and FBI/DOJ. We could see that in the flow of "Trump/Russia" from Hillary to the UK operatives back to the CIA, FBI/DOJ which launched a politically-motivated persecution of Trump. So while the CIA does "ops" abroad, the FBI does "ops" here. And the "leaks" (fabricated allegation) came mstly thru State Dept and FBI employees.

A less-comfortable fit is the formal military v the CIA. At the beginning of our regime change effort in Syria, Obama put the military and CIA into something of a horse race: The military was to train "moderate rebels" in Jordan while the CIA (and Saudi Arabia) were to fund jihadists covertly. The training mission was a dbacle (much like Afghanistan but on a smaller scale); the trainees took their training and weaponry over to the jihadist side, leaving a tiny group of USA loyalists. It was widely criticized in the paper: four million dollars to train one soldier! (or words to that effect) and quietly shelved.

But in Afghanistan, the CIA needed the military to protect its blacksites and convert Afghanistan into a narco-state. The only way I can imagine that happening is direct payoffs to the involved ranking military. Also, the CIA eventually shared its secret drone program with the Pentagon, altho the Pentagon was also committed to secrecy. Also, the DIA has its own mission: to collect intelligence for the successful prosecution of a war. So altho the military has been jammed together with the CIA for some operation, I think the fit isn't a comfortable one.

The NSA does sigint. In the RUSSIADIDIT! statement about the "hacking"of the DNC server, the NSA demurred, allowing only "moderate" confidence.

ANOTHER tail that wags the dog are large financial interests. Since the USA does't have much of a production economy, what we have is financialists and financialism. Our financial system is based on the petrodollar, which banks are anxious to protect in direct relation to how many petrodllars/treasuries they old in reserve. The banks of course want their share of the drug money too.

So overall I think the BIGGEST split is actually between the CIA and Pentagon.

I'll give it some more thought.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 8:52 PM

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I heard last week a report that Justin Trudeau was satisfied by talking with Hilliary in regards to strategy in Afghanistan.

Why on earth is Hilliary speaking for America about foreign affairs and war? Sounds like Joe is not answering the phone.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:47 PM

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Maybe Hillary finally got tired of having to wash her arm past the elbow when she pulled it out of Joe*'s ass at the end of every day they bring him out in public.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 6:56 AM

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There are an estimated 150 American citizens left in Afghanistan whom the United States need to get to the airport, according to a source familiar with the situation.

The source said the estimate is the number known to need assistance to reach the airport as of 8 a.m. local time on Thursday morning.

They added that since midnight local time, 200 had been evacuated to the base and flown out. This brings the total US citizens evacuated since August 14 to 4,700, the source added.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/afghanistan-news-taliban-refugees-
08-26-21-intl/h_ff5624d84cb5b1bca8f6e75e2cbc9600


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Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:12 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Since the USA does't have much of a production economy, what we have is financialists and financialism. Our financial system is based on the petrodollar, which banks are anxious to protect in direct relation to how many petrodllars/treasuries they old in reserve. The banks of course want their share of the drug money too.

So overall I think the BIGGEST split is actually between the CIA and Pentagon.

I'll give it some more thought.

Signym, you sound exactly like someone raised on Marxism, always predicting the impending collapse of America. Are you sure you are not a Russian troll? By the way, about the "production" economy:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gma1


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:44 AM

SIGNYM

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SEONDRATE*: Signym, you sound exactly like someone raised on Marxism, always predicting the impending collapse of America. Are you sure you are not a Russian troll?


*If you can stoop AGAIN to libelling me as a Russian troll, I can once again call you SECONDRATE

And if USA manufacturing is so hot, then why is our trade deficit with China (a manufacturing nation) so high?








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Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:48 AM

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Pompeo met with the Taliban in February 2020 at the signing of a withdrawal agreement with the U.S. in Doha. A picture of him from that moment, standing alongside Taliban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar, has circulated widely online in the last week. It’s the type of image that could dot and complicate future election bids, should he choose to make one.

The negotiations Pompeo helped conduct as secretary of State resulted in a four-part withdrawal deal with the Taliban that committed the U.S. to a phased, conditions-based removal of all troops in a 14-month period (ending May 1, 2021). The U.S. called on the Taliban to cut ties with the terrorist organization al-Qaeda and refrain from any threats to the U.S. or allies, but it also made concessions, like the release of 5,000 combat and political Taliban prisoners and a review of sanctions against the organization. The Afghan government was not involved in the negotiations, a move that critics say undermined the country’s leadership and legitimacy.

"Our secretary of State signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," Trump national security adviser H.R. McMaster said of Pompeo on a podcast with Bari Weiss. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn't defeat us. We defeated ourselves."

Those close to Pompeo say he recognized early on that a withdrawal deal could be a political quagmire but that he followed President Donald Trump’s order to get American troops out of Afghanistan immediately.

“He alluded to the fact that he understood he could potentially pay a political price in the future for doing this but in his mind, this is what the president ordered him to do, so he had to get the best deal possible and have the most caveats to keep people there if we need to,” said a former Trump State Department official.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/mike-pompeo-afghanistan-colla
pse-506927


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Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VAPGDPMA

*If you can stoop AGAIN to libelling me as a Russian troll, I can once again call you SECONDRATE

By the way, you never stopped calling me that.

Same graph, but looking at the Trump years. Unless America wants to be covered in junk cars, old tires and household waste, production will have to level off. If production keeps rising, the piles of trash, air and water pollution keep rising.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gmep


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Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:59 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing?


Yeah, neither do I.

/snicker

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now back to the regularly scheduled programming

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:20 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing?


Yeah, neither do I.

Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment, no more than there has ever been a factory built to create water and air pollution. Employment and pollution and fuel and material and all other costs have always and everywhere been things to be minimized or even eliminated. Yes, you and politicians can talk about "employment opportunities" at factories as much as you please, but that is not what a factory is for, because if it was then every factory-owner would be striving to make work more labor intensive rather than less. You will never see (in the real world) that intention to make more man-hours of work by making the factory less efficient.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:32 AM

SIGNYM

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KIKI: Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing? Yeah, neither do I.

SECONDRATE: Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment,

Well, actually not true.

I know, from someone who went to China every few years, that when an American company built a factory in China, the Chinese government would ask the manager "How many people will it take to tun this factory?" and if the answer was "100" the Chinese government would say "Then you will hire 300".

And if you look at how the Chinese repair a road, it isn't with five people, an asphalt truck but a bunch of people with wheelbarrows and a steamroller.

The Chinese government - unlike the USA government - knows that people without meaningful jobs are a security threat to the nation.

ANY nation. Including ours.

OH BTW I DID stop calling you SECONDRATE for a month or so, but since you continued with the Russian troll name-calling, I feel free to return the favor. And, I know that YOU know that I'm not Russian, or a troll, so you're just lying maliciously.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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KIKI: Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing? Yeah, neither do I.

SECONDRATE: Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment,

Well, actually not true.

I know, from someone who went to China every few years, that when an American company built a factory in China, the Chinese government would ask the manager "How many people will it take to tun this factory?" and if the answer was "100" the Chinese government would say "Then you will hire 300". . . .

Your "someone" didn't know that China was trying to move people out of agriculture and into better jobs. But now China doesn't overload factories with superfluous employees because China is short of workers:

China’s factories automate as worker shortage looms
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/chinas-factories-automate-as-worker-sh
ortage-looms.html

China reports a growing shortage of factory workers
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/china-reports-a-growing-shortage-of-fa
ctory-workers.html


Look at America, rather than China, then ask yourself 'How can farm employment be going down when Americans are too fat?'
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=Gmm4


Much the same as manufacturing, farm employment in the Western World has been crashing toward zero for centuries because more farmers doesn't mean more food. More food comes from more land and better weather, two thing we will be running short of if climate change continues.
https://ourworldindata.org/employment-in-agriculture

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 10:38 AM

SIGNYM

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So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points

a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

Anyway, this is far off-topic.

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points

a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

Anyway, this is far off-topic.

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

Except in countries confused by Marxism, the ONLY driver of factory owners is money; cutting costs is about money and labor is just one of many costs to be cut. Government and unions get involved in costs when they make demands about minimum wages and maximum hours and staff levels, but neither are making significant demands on factory owners in America.

Government can get factory owners to jump high and do what government wants in a very straight forward fashion if government pays money directly to the factory owners. How often does that happen? Not often, except during war. Most of the time, government doesn't want to pay directly, so it does indirect and silly things like stop taxing factory owners to get them to build a factory in a particular state or government will impose tariffs on US citizens (all while falsely saying the Chinese are paying the tariffs) in order to persuade factory owners to build a factory. If there was no China, factory employment, following the same path as farm employment, would still be decreasing. China is just another of many ways for American factory owners to make more money by lower costs.

What does this have to do with Afghanistan? Everything to do because it is about how Americans have enormous mental confusion about nearly every subject that involves math, be it money, time, schedules, quantities, prices, you name it, it can be completely misunderstood if there are numbers involved. It is NOT off topic at all because it is about the fact that most Americans can't understand the simplest arithmetic. Oh! For sure they think they can, but their results prove they can't. What's even funnier, they can't improve their understanding of subject matter that they are absolutely certain they already completely understand. And Afghanistan involves a great deal of arithmetic that Americans will never actually sit down and shut up and learn the numbers. For example:
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the NY Times, using numbers from the Association of Wartime Allies, claims that there were more than 300,000 Afghans who assisted us during our 20-year war and deserve our help in being evacuated. Of these, about 250,000 remain and still need to be airlifted out.

Maybe so, but I'd take this with a grain of salt. The AWA has been pushing this number for months, but as near as I can tell they're the only ones. As you can imagine, it's a very difficult number to estimate, which means that it's easy to produce nearly any figure you want. The AWA may be right, but other estimates I've seen seem to hover around 80-100,000, of which we've already evacuated about 60,000 or so. If that estimate is correct, it means we have 20-40,000 Afghans left to evacuate.

Obviously I don't have any independent way to estimate these numbers myself. I just want to point out that the AWA has been alone in its estimate for months, and the fact that the Times has finally decided to write a story about them doesn't make their estimate any more (or less) credible than it's ever been.

https://jabberwocking.com/how-many-afghans-are-left-to-be-evacuated-fr
om-kabul
/

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
That's an interesting thought, that the media is under the control of one part of the deep state but not another part.

I think different parts of the Deep State plug their propaganda through m$m at different times, depending on the topic.
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So, what is (are) the OTHER part(s) of the deep state?

Just noodling about which parts I've observed working together and which parts work separately or (potentially) at cross-purposes...

The two agencies that I think work together most closely are the CIA and State Department. Embassies in foreign countries are natural covers for gathering foreign intelligence. No need to set up fake companies and fake identities (journalists, import/export, telecom etc) I have been told -and it makes sense- that many embassy staff are dual employees of both State and CIA. So the driver is CIA and the secretary is CIA etc. AFA the ambassadors themselves, most of them are appointed as political favors and have no clue about what's going on around them. But in sensitive embassies ... such as Ukraine, Libya, Iran, Georgia etc ... the ambassadors are fully "read into" CIA ops, whether it's gun running or regime change or what-have-you, and actively participate.

I definitely think that the CIA/ State Dept are meshed together as well. They're virtually the same thing with State being installed by willing presidents - like Obama - to carry out foreign policy not in the interests of the US. And that goes back to even before Kennedy.
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The CIA gets some of its harebrained ideas from abroad (PNAC, written largely by Israel; Iraq/WMD and Trump/Russia from MI6) which overlaps with "thinktankistan".
Who knows where the CIA got some of its harebrained ideas from in its long and sordid history of creating and/or aiding coups in countries around the globe:
Syria 1949 Shukri al-Quwatli
Iran 1953 Mohammad Mossadegh
Guatemala 1954 Arbenz (that idea apparently came from Eisenhower)
Indonesia 1958 Sukarno
Cuba (Bay of Pigs) 1961 (not successful)
Dominican Republic 1961 Trujillo
Vietnam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_243, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_South_Vietnamese_coup, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_assassination_of_Ngo_Dinh_Die
m

Chile 1973 Allende (on orders from Nixon)
...
Philippines Marcos 1986
Haiti Aristide 1991
...
Obviously at some point the US started doing the substantial bidding of the British/ Israeli arm of the Deep State, especially when it came to the Middle East and Russia.
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Another cooperative arrangement is between the CIA and FBI/DOJ. We could see that in the flow of "Trump/Russia" from Hillary to the UK operatives back to the CIA, FBI/DOJ which launched a politically-motivated persecution of Trump. So while the CIA does "ops" abroad, the FBI does "ops" here. And the "leaks" (fabricated allegation) came mostly thru State Dept and FBI employees.
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A less-comfortable fit is the formal military v the CIA. At the beginning of our regime change effort in Syria, Obama put the military and CIA into something of a horse race: The military was to train "moderate rebels" in Jordan while the CIA (and Saudi Arabia) were to fund jihadists covertly. The training mission was a debacle (much like Afghanistan but on a smaller scale); the trainees took their training and weaponry over to the jihadist side, leaving a tiny group of USA loyalists. It was widely criticized in the paper: four million dollars to train one soldier! (or words to that effect) and quietly shelved.
And yet, when you look at the US military around the globe, wherever it's found - whether Somalia or Syria or elsewhere - you find the CIA.
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But in Afghanistan, the CIA needed the military to protect its blacksites and convert Afghanistan into a narco-state. The only way I can imagine that happening is direct payoffs to the involved ranking military. Also, the CIA eventually shared its secret drone program with the Pentagon, altho the Pentagon was also committed to secrecy. Also, the DIA has its own mission: to collect intelligence for the successful prosecution of a war. So altho the military has been jammed together with the CIA for some operation, I think the fit isn't a comfortable one.
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The NSA does sigint. In the RUSSIADIDIT! statement about the "hacking"of the DNC server, the NSA demurred, allowing only "moderate" confidence.
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ANOTHER tail that wags the dog are large financial interests. Since the USA doesn't have much of a production economy, what we have is financialists and financialism. Our financial system is based on the petrodollar, which banks are anxious to protect in direct relation to how many petrodollars/ treasuries they old in reserve. The banks of course want their share of the drug money too.
I think a fair bit of both foreign policy and economic policy flow from The City of London. But not everything flows from there. The MIC has its own self-survival agenda, the CIA has its own self-survival agenda, the State Department has its own self-survival agenda, business has the nationalist/ internationalist split; and then individuals try to further their own agendas from their positions (Obama's fancy b-day celebration made possible by being President, the Clintons' 'Foundation'). It's not one big monolith.

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing?


Yeah, neither do I.

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Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment, no more than there has ever been a factory built to create water and air pollution. Employment and pollution and fuel and material and all other costs have always and everywhere been things to be minimized or even eliminated. Yes, you and politicians can talk about "employment opportunities" at factories as much as you please, but that is not what a factory is for, because if it was then every factory-owner would be striving to make work more labor intensive rather than less. You will never see (in the real world) that intention to make more man-hours of work by making the factory less efficient.



Well, then you agree with me ...

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




... If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better ?

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 1:49 PM

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Old News from April 13, 2021:

President Biden will withdraw all American troops from Afghanistan over the coming months, U.S. officials said, completing the military exit by the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that drew the United States into its longest war.

The decision, which Biden is expected to announce Wednesday, will keep thousands of U.S. forces in the country beyond the May 1 exit deadline that the Trump administration negotiated last year with the Taliban, according to a senior administration official who briefed reporters Tuesday under rules of anonymity set by the White House.

While the Taliban has promised to renew attacks on U.S. and NATO personnel if foreign troops are not out by the deadline — and said in a statement it would not continue to participate in “any conference” about Afghanistan’s future until all “foreign forces” have departed — it is not clear whether the militants will follow through with the earlier threats given Biden’s plan for a phased withdrawal between now and September. The Taliban has conducted sputtering talks with the Afghan government, begun under the Trump deal, since last fall. It was also invited to
an additional high-level inter-Afghan discussion in Turkey later this month.

Officially, there are 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, although the number fluctuates and is currently about 1,000 more than that. There are also up to an additional 7,000 foreign forces in the coalition there, the majority of them NATO troops.

Biden’s decision comes after an administration review of U.S. ­options in Afghanistan, where U.S.-midwifed peace talks have failed to advance as hoped and the Taliban remains a potent force despite two decades of effort by the United States to defeat the militants and establish stable, democratic governance. The war has cost trillions of dollars in addition to the lives of more than 2,000 U.S. service members. At least 100,000 Afghan civilians have been injured or killed.

“This is the immediate, practical reality that our policy review discovered,” said one person familiar with the closed-door deliberations who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss policy planning. “If we break the May 1st deadline (which Biden did break) negotiated by the previous administration with no clear plan to exit, we will be back at war with the Taliban, and that was not something President Biden believed was in the national interest.” (The deadline was NOT for a plan by May 1st, but to have already left by May 1st.)

The goal is to move to “zero” troops by September, the senior administration official said. “This is not conditions-based. The president has judged that a conditions-based approach .?.?. is a recipe for staying in Afghanistan forever. He has reached the conclusion that the United States will complete its drawdown and will remove its forces from Afghanistan before September 11th.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdr
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Well, then you agree with me ...

I have NO IDEA what is going on inside your head that you bizarrely think I agree with. What the hell is happening in your ape brain? Are you thinking of bananas? Are you bananas? But I find the same with every person I know who approves of Trump (EXCEPT for rich Trump voters who voted for Trump to reduce their taxes and to hamstring the IRS, preventing it from collecting what taxes are owed. The rich Trump voters make sense. They knew Trump was a tax cheater, which is why they voted for him and is the main reason they are rich. They are not bananas. And they are the same people who build factories either in China or America based on how much money will be made, not on how many Americans or Chinese the factories will employ. )

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For Two Decades, Americans Told One Lie After Another About What They Were Doing in Afghanistan

In the immediate aftermath of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, U.S.-backed Afghan warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum’s forces murdered hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Taliban prisoners by jamming them into metal shipping containers and letting them suffocate. At the time, Dostum was on the CIA’s payroll and had been working with U.S. special forces to oust the Taliban from power.

The Bush administration blocked subsequent efforts to investigate the mass murder, even after the FBI interviewed witnesses among the surviving Afghans who had been moved to the U.S. prison in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and after human rights officials publicly identified the mass grave site where Dostum’s forces had disposed of bodies. Later, President Barack Obama promised to investigate, and then took no action.

Instead, Hollywood stepped in and turned Dostum into a hero. The 2018 movie, “12 Strong,” a jingoistic account of the partnership between U.S. special forces and Dostum in the 2001 invasion, whitewashed Dostum — even as his crimes continued to pile up in the years after the prisoner massacre.

More at https://theintercept.com/2021/08/26/afghanistan-america-failures/

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Thursday, August 26, 2021 10:55 PM

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Why believe anything you hear about it now?

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why believe anything you hear about it now?

My grandmother believed the moon landings were fake and professional wrestling was real. She got pretty mixed-up about what to believe and what to disbelieve, but she was from Nebraska and voted for Republicans who confuse the difference between reality and unreality.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 2:35 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

1KIKI: Well, then you agree with me ...

SECOND: I have NO IDEA what is going on inside your head that you bizarrely think I agree with.



I thought it was pretty obvious ...

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy - just a comment. Do you see where Obama made things better for US manufacturing? Yeah, neither do I.

SECOND: Snicker all you want, but laughing shows you never will understand that there has never been a factory built anywhere in the world to create employment



So. Since "never" includes Obama's reign, you just agreed with KIKI that Obama didn't make things better for US manufacturing.



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Friday, August 27, 2021 2:39 AM

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Quote:

SIGNYM:
So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points
a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

SECOND: Except in countries...



Sounds like you agree with me here, too. First you make a universal statement, and then when you get called on it you start clawing back rather significant exceptions.

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why believe anything you hear about it now?

My grandmother believed the moon landings were fake and professional wrestling was real. She got pretty mixed-up about what to believe and what to disbelieve, but she was from Nebraska and voted for Republicans who confuse the difference between reality and unreality.



I disagree that you can compare anything going on in Sandland to either WWF or the moon landing.

You're an idiot.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIGNYM:
So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points
a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

SECOND: Except in countries...



Sounds like you agree with me here, too. First you make a universal statement, and then when you get called on it you start clawing back rather significant exceptions.

Here is a Universal Statement: Congress has the power and Presidents don’t have the power to bring back factories from China to America. Congress can increase factory employment as much as is humanly possible. Never did Obama or Trump have that kind of power. FDR looked like he had such power, but that was because 74 Senators were Democrats and they permitted FDR to push around the richest American factory owners during WWII. The history of the Ford Motor Company during WWII is very instructive on how the government can bend the arm of a very rich man who absolutely doesn't want to cooperate with winning a war. There was also plenty of money involved to get the sullen cooperation of American factory owners.

What happened to the super-majority in 1936 of 74 Senators? It steadily decreased year after year until 1946, when Republicans had a majority. This decrease certainly did not occur because things were going from bad to worse. Actual, things were getting better and better, but no Republican would believe it. Ex-President Herbert Hoover was flat out calling FDR a Commie during all those years.

You can trace how Americans can be stupid about letting the economically successful Democratic political party rule and replacing it with the economic ignoramuses of the GOP, who say the Democrats are Commies at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_United_States_Senate_elections

The voters believed that baldfaced lie about Democrats being Communists. The dumber voters still do believe it.

Here is another Universal Statement: Riches go to the quick. Troubles with staying in the middle class go to the slow and gullible, especially in America where anything that helps the slow is called Communism and anything that helps the quick is called Capitalism.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 8:37 AM

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You're so delusional it's impossible to even have a conversation with you.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 11:18 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
So, SECOND, it sounds like you're conceding both of your points
a) That USA manufacturing is robust and
b) That the ONLY driver of manufacturing policy is cutting costs by reducing labor

SECOND: Except in countries...

SIGNY: Sounds like you agree with me here, too. First you make a universal statement, and then when you get called on it you start clawing back rather significant exceptions.

SECOND: Ex-President Herbert Hoover was flat out calling FDR a Commie during all those years.

Like you call ME a commie?

Quote:

SECOND: Here is another Universal Statement: Riches go to the quick.
And the greedy. That IS the nature of capitalism, is it not?
Every man for himself, and God against all?
Devil take the hindmost?
The power to disposses others of their labor and their wealth?

Just OOC, SECOND, do you square your Christian ethics with your rentier capitalism by telling yourself "I pay my taxes"?

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I don't believe that Second has any Christian ethics.

He talks a lot about religion while arguing, but I think that's only because he's using it as a tool to try to win an argument.

It breaks his brain that I'm not a Republican. It's particularly evident when he starts "preaching" religion at me as if trying to catch me in some sort of hypocritical behavior because he assumes that I must be religious, as an extension of him assuming since I'm not a Democrat that I'm Republican.

That doesn't work though when I give it 50/50 that it's all fairy tales.



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Friday, August 27, 2021 11:51 AM

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The other thing I find puzzling is his constant refrain about "struggling to remain in the middle class" like some sort of mantra.

Who is that aimed at?
And what is he trying to do?
It doesn't rattle MY cage, and I doubt it rattles yours, or anyone else's here.

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Friday, August 27, 2021 11:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The other thing I find puzzling is his constant refrain about "struggling to remain in the middle class" like some sort of mantra.

Who is that aimed at?
And what is he trying to do?
It doesn't rattle MY cage, and I doubt it rattles yours, or anyone else's here.



I have no clue who it's aimed at, although he seems to use it mostly when he's replying to me.

I think I've made it quite clear that I have no desire to ever live to the standards of any other person's perception of the status quo. And, unlike a majority of the "Middle Class", particularly those of my age and especially 10 years ago in only my very early 30's, I own my house free and clear without a single cent of debt to anybody, and I've only paid less than $125 of interest in my entire life.

I'm never worried about where my next meal is coming from, and the little free time I have these days leaves me with plenty of free entertainment off of my $20 per month internet connection.



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Why our generals were more successful in World War II than in Korea, Vietnam or Iraq/Afghanistan


John Dastoli comment:
My first advice from my company commander as a second lieutenant (1997) was that in order to have a successful career you had to avoid separating yourself from the herd. You have be in step with your commander and be well liked in your peer group. They tell you the opposite in OCS, Basic Officer Course, and Infantry Officers Course. But, when you get to the unit its all about not making waves and not standing out. If an officer has all average fitness reports he/she will make it to lieutenant colonel. But, if you are outstanding and have one bad fitness report you are done. It's not about succeeding, it is about not failing. Creativity, the biggest determiner of successful executives is killed in the junior ranks. Maintenance of predetermined procedures is emphasized. This is how you end up with managers and not leaders. You have a senior leadership that knows all the paperwork but cannot understand a problem and how to solve it.

Robert Shockley comment:
As someone who drove generals and colonels around Kuwait in 2005, I can tell you this guy is on the money. The only topics were on equipment and tactics. No discussion of strategy, or how turn the tide and actually win. Everything was geared towards do your time, get as few people killed as possible and go home. Really winning the war wasn't even mentioned.

You only need to read Lt.Col Hackworth’s “About Face” to see exactly where the problem lies.
Download the book from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.ch/search.php?req=Hackworth+About+Face
https://www.amazon.com/About-Face-Odyssey-American-Warrior/dp/19821440
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Friday, August 27, 2021 6:07 PM

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In other words, the military became just another corrupt bureaucracy.

Quote:

Now, coming back to our topic, in 2021 the US truly inspires nobody. Absolutely nobody. That is a sad, but undeniable fact. And that is the main reason why Kabul fell so fast: the “defenses” of Kabul were like the fists of a man with advanced osteoporosis – they lacked a crucial element: faith. No matter how good, effective or otherwise powerful those “fists” really were, or thought/pretended to be, it made no difference: one crucial element was missing and that decided it all.- The Saker


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In other words, the military became just another corrupt bureaucracy.

Wrong, again, Signym. You always turn everything into a worthless abstraction that explains nothing. What happens inside the U.S. military is not bloodless and abstract. A typical American with one gun and box of ammo might shot to death a paper target or might even do something useful, such as kill a deer. Typical American Generals are acting just the same as typical Americans: thrill-seeking and stupid, but unlike typical Americans, the U.S. Government gave these patriotically thrill-seeking and revengeful Generals control of vast amounts of ammo, weapons, and soldiers. Unsurprisingly, a great deal of carnage follows, and not all of it as useful as killing a deer. For example, from the Afghanistan and yesterday:

Afghanistan drone strike targeted Islamic State ‘planner’ in car, US says

US says there were no known civilian casualties but community elder claims women and children among victims. “Women and children are among the victims,” said Malik Adib, though he did not have information about their identity.

There is no indication that the target of the drone was involved in Thursday’s blast, which killed around 180 people, including 13 US marines.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/28/afghanistan-drone-strike
-targeted-islamic-state-planner-in-car-us-says


Signym, you know Biden is not capable of coming up with such stupid-ass plan as a revenge killing that also murders a bunch of Afghan civilians, but American Generals did this. Those Generals are probably pretty excited and sexually pleased by the carnage. It was stupid for President Biden to allow his Generals to kill civilians for revenge against a suicide bomber who was already dead. But Biden was pleasing typical and stupid Americans who shoot at paper targets and want to kill again the already dead suicide bomber.

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The White House @WhiteHouse tweeted:

Since August 14, the U.S. has evacuated and facilitated the evacuation of approximately 111,900 people. Since the end of July, we have re-located approximately 117,500 people.
9:22 AM · Aug 28, 2021·The White House

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1431623172101754884

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Donald Trump called into conservative talk radio host Hugh Hewitt's show on Thursday. Listen to the show:

https://hughhewitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/08-26hhs-trump.mp3

Hewitt asked Trump to describe his conversation with Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, a Taliban co-founder and deputy leader, during his 2020 negotiations with the group to remove American troops from Afghanistan.

Hewitt: What did you communicate to Baradar, Mullah Baradar, Abdul Baradar who you talked to when you spoke to him? What did you tell him?

Trump: So I set up a conversation with him, and people said oh, you shouldn't be talking. Well, I set up a conversation with Kim Jong Un of North Korea. We didn't have a nuclear war. Had I not, then Obama would have been right. We would have had a nuclear war. President Obama said to me we're going to have a nuclear war with North Korea. I said have you ever spoken to him. He said no. And I said don't you think that might be a good idea. But anyway, I know he wanted to speak to him, but he never got to speak to him, and I think the other side didn't want to talk to Obama. So what happened is I spoke to the head of the, the known head, because it's...

Hewitt: Yeah, Baradar, right? Baradar.

Trump: Yeah, but I spoke to, and sort of the known head, but nobody was sure, but now I'm sure, and I was sure then when I was speaking to him. And I knew as soon as I spoke to him. And even the introduction, I say hello, and he screamed something very tough. And I then started with him. I said, listen, before we start the longtime conversation and conversations that we're going to have, I have to say one thing, and I'll never have to say it again to you. And here's what I say. If you do anything bad to the United States of America, if you do anything bad to any of our civilians, to any American citizen, or if you do anything out of the normal, you know, they've been fighting for a thousand years, but out of the normal, because you've had your wars, and if you do anything out of the normal, but anything bad to America or any American citizens, I will hit you harder than anybody has ever been hit in world history. You will be hit harder than any country and any person has ever been hit in world history. And we will start with the exact location and the exact town, and it's right here. And I believe I repeated the name of his town. That will be the first place that we start. And I won't be able to speak to you anymore after that, and isn't that a very sad thing? But that is the story. And then he asked me one question, and I'd rather not repeat that question, because it's a very scary question. But he asked me one question, and I gave him the answer yes. And then after it was all done, I said OK, now I've said what I'm going to say. Let's have a conversation. And I said we're going to be leaving after 21 years. And when we leave, you're going to leave us alone, and we're going to leave with great dignity and great honor. And we are going to take care of this situation. We're going to take our time. We had a date of May 1, but they missed a couple of conditions. We had some very strong conditions, Hugh. But they missed a couple of conditions. I wanted to be out by May 1. I had spoken to him quite a bit before May 1, but we had a condition of May 1. But they missed conditions, and so therefore, I bombed and we hit them very hard. And then we said we will agree to those conditions. I said no, you've already agreed to them. Don't play games. We had them so good. They weren't in Kabul. You take a look at when they started taking over Afghanistan. It's when I left. When I left, that's when it started, they started going wild, because they were dealing with another president. And I never realized, and of course I realized the importance and power of the presidency, but I never realized how important the office of the president is until this happened, because when I watched what happened over the last week and a half with some horrible, stupid decisions that were made, number one being allowing our military to leave before the civilians and before we get all of our equipment back, $83 billion dollars. And not, nobody can even comprehend that much equipment. Thousands of vehicles, thousands, you saw the list of vehicles.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/28/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt/index
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Once heralded as the Day that Changed Everything in America, 9/11 proved to be Groundhog Day as far as the war was concerned. After some 2,500 American casualties, at least 240,000 Afghan deaths, and 2 trillion taxpayers’ dollars, the Taliban is back in power just in time for our 20th-anniversary observances. This turn of events may be the most damning refutation yet of the short-lived 9/11 meme that “irony is dead.” Or the second-most damning: Many of the loudest voices in the media and in Washington decrying our inept and catastrophic exit — whether liberal or conservative, Democrat, Republican, or Never-Trump Republican — are the same voices that helped grease the skids for disaster in Afghanistan by promoting a second new war in Iraq on manufactured intelligence in the months after 9/11. They have major-media platforms but no shame or accountability. Those of them still in today’s GOP should in particular spare us the crocodile tears they are shedding for Afghan women and girls: There’s not a chance in hell that evacuated Muslim families will be welcome in MAGA’s backyards.

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It's too generous to say we "wasted" $2.26 trillion on the wars in Afghanistan.
The reality is, military contractors got rich off of those wars. We didn't just waste that money — we funneled it to the same people whose political donations will fund more pro-war candidates.
https://mobile.twitter.com/charlesmblow/status/1427796360393265158

War is an industry. Or, as Major General Smedley Butler said back in the 1930s, a racket.
https://fas.org/man/smedley.htm

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How the US created a disaster in Afghanistan

The US government struggled to answer exactly why the military was there.

In the very beginning, the goal was relatively clear: to capture the perpetrator of the attacks, Osama bin Laden. But almost immediately, the goals became murkier and more complicated.



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Seems like the Afghanistan disaster is being taken off the front page.

No more mention of the billions of dollars-worth of weaponry and equipment in Afghanistan... a post that was published by the Sunday Times of London.

https://fee.org/media/40233/graphic.jpeg


Quote:

The Times of London reports that the US simply abandoned a truly astounding arsenal of military equipment and weapons.

This reportedly includes up to

22,174 Humvee vehicles,
nearly 1,000 armored vehicles,
64,363 machine guns, and
42,000 pick-up trucks and SUVs.
358,530 assault rifles,
126,295 pistols,
nearly 200 artillery units
state-of-the-art military helicopters
warplanes,
other aircraft

...

night vision goggles,
body armor



And state-of-the-art Javelin anti-tank missiles

Quote:

“The Taliban now has more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of the countries in the world,” Congressman Jim Banks, a veteran, lamented.

https://headlineusa.com/military-equipment-us-left-taliban/

There are a few reasons to leave this all behind:

1) The military was so intent on making things look like a "success" that they didn't want to take toys away from the Potemkin "Afghan Army"
2) Now the USA MIC gets to make MORE money by making replacements! AND
3) Russia won't be making any money selling arms to the Taliban bc, except for muntions, tha Taliban is armed for the foreseeable future!


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Sunday, September 5, 2021 1:11 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yep, Biden* admin spox, Pentagon, etc are (finally) standing shoulder to shoulder and declaring this a "success" and therefore a "success" this will be.

Another "mission accomplished" moment!

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Thursday, September 9, 2021 3:33 PM

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Quote:

Pepe Escobar posted with permission and first posted at Asia Times

The announcement by Taliban spokesman Zahibullah Mujahid in Kabul of the acting cabinet ministers in the new caretaker government of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan already produced a big bang: it managed to enrage both woke NATOstan and the US Deep State.

This is an all-male, overwhelmingly Pashtun (there’s one Uzbek and one Tajik) cabinet essentially rewarding the Taliban old guard. All 33 appointees are Taliban members.

Acting PM
Mohammad Hasan Akhund – the head of the Taliban Rehbari Shura, or leadership council, for 20 years – will be the Acting Prime Minister. For all practical purposes, Akhund is branded a terrorist by the UN and the EU, and under sanctions by the UN Security Council. It’s no secret Washington brands some Taliban factions as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, and sanctions the whole of the Taliban as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” organization.

SPIRITUAL LEADER
It’s crucial to stress Himatullah Akhundzada, the Taliban Supreme Leader since 2016, is Amir al-Momineen (“Commander of the Faithful”). He can’t be a Prime Minister; his role is that of a supreme spiritual leader, setting the guidelines for the Islamic Emirate and mediating disputes – politics included.

Akhunzada has released a statement, noting that the new government “will work hard towards upholding Islamic rules and sharia law in the country” and will ensure “lasting peace, prosperity and development”. He added, “people should not try to leave the country”.

Spokesman Mujahid took pains to stress this new cabinet is just an “acting” government. This implies one of the next big steps will be to set up a new constitution. The Taliban will “try to take people from other parts of the country” – implying positions for women and Shi’ites may still be open, but not at top level.

DEPUTY PM
Taliban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar, who so far had been very busy diplomatically as the head of the political office in Doha, will be deputy Prime Minister. He was a Taliban co-founder in 1994 and close friend of Mullah Omar, who called him “Baradar” (“brother”) in the first place.

ACTING INTERIOR MINISTER
A predictable torrent of hysteria greeted the appointment of Sirajuddin Haqqani as Acting Minister of Interior. After all the son of Haqqani founder Jalaluddin, one of three deputy emirs and the Taliban military commander, with a fierce reputation, has a $5 million FBI bounty on his head. His FBI “wanted” page is not exactly a prodigy of intel: they don’t know when he was born, and where, and that he speaks Pashto and Arabic.

This may be the new government’s top challenge: to prevent Sirajuddin and his wild boys from acting medieval in non-Pashtun areas of Afghanistan, and most of all to make sure the Haqqanis cut off any connections with jihadi outfits. That’s a sine qua non condition established by the China-Russia strategic partnership for political, diplomatic and economic development support.

ACTING FOREIGN MINISTER
Foreign policy will be much more accommodating. Amir Khan Muttaqi, also a member of the political office in Doha, will be the Acting Foreign Minister, and his deputy will be Abas Stanikzai, who’s in favor of cordial relations with Washington and the rights of Afghan religious minorities.

ACTING DEFENSE MINISTER
Mohammad Yaqoob, the son of Mullah Omar, will be the Acting Defense Minister.

OTHER
So far, the only non-Pashtuns are Abdul Salam Hanafi, an Uzbek, appointed as second deputy to the Prime Minister, and Qari Muhammad Hanif, a Tajik, the acting Minister of Economic Affairs, a very important post.

****

The Tao of staying patient

The Taliban Revolution has already hit the Walls of Kabul – who are fast being painted white with Kufic letter inscriptions. One of these reads, “For an Islamic system and independence, you have to go through tests and stay patient.”

That’s quite a Taoist statement: striving for balance towards a real “Islamic system”. It offers a crucial glimpse of what the Taliban leadership may be after: as Islamic theory allows for evolution, the new Afghanistan system will be necessarily unique, quite different from Qatar’s or Iran’s, for instance.

In the Islamic legal tradition, followed directly or indirectly by rulers of Turko-Persian states for centuries, to rebel against a Muslim ruler is illegitimate because it creates fitna (sedition, conflict). That was already the rationale behind the crushing of the fake “resistance” in the Panjshir – led by former Vice-President and CIA asset Amrullah Saleh. even tried serious negotiations, sending a delegation of 40 Islamic scholars to the Panjshir.

But then Taliban intel established that Ahmad Masoud – son of the legendary Lion of the Panjshir, assassinated two days before 9/11 – was operating under orders of French and Israeli intel. And that sealed his fate: not only he was creating fitna, he was a foreign agent. His partner Saleh, the “resistance” de facto leader, fled by helicopter to Tajikistan.

It’s fascinating to note a parallel between Islamic legal tradition and Hobbes’s Leviathan, which justifies absolute rulers. The Hobbesian Taliban: here’s a hefty research topic for US Think Tankland.

The Taliban also follow the rule that a war victory – and nothing more spectacular than defeating combined NATO power – allows for undisputed political power, although that does not discard strategic alliances. We’ve already seen it in terms of how the moderate, Doha-based political Taliban are accommodating the Haqqanis – an extremely sensitive business.

Abdul Haqqani will be the Acting Minister for Higher Education; Najibullah Haqqani will be Minister of Communications; and Khalil Haqqani, so far ultra-active as interim head of security in Kabul, will be Minister for Refugees.

The next step will be much harder: to convince the urban, educated populations in the big cities – Kabul, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif – not only of their legitimacy, acquired in the frontlines, but that they will crush the corrupt urban elite that plundered the nation for the past 20 years. All that while engaging in a credible, national interest process of improving the lives of average Afghans under a new Islamic system. It will be crucial to watch what kind of practical and financial help the emir of Qatar will offer.

The new cabinet has elements of a Pashtun jirga (tribal assembly). I’ve been to a few, and it’s fascinating to see how it works. Everyone sits on a circle to avoid a hierarchy – even if symbolic. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion. This leads to alliances necessarily being forged.

The negotiations to form a government were being conducted in Kabul by former President Hamid Karzai – crucially, a Pashtun from a minor Durrani clan, the Popalzai – and Abdullah Abdullah, a Tajik, and former head of the Council for National Reconciliation. The Taliban did listen to them, but in the end they de facto chose what their own jirga had decided.

Pashtuns are extremely fierce when it comes to defending their Islamic credentials. They believe their legendary founding ancestor, Qais Abdul Rasheed, converted to Islam in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, and then Pashtuns became the strongest defender of the faith anywhere.

Yet that’s not exactly how it played out in history. From the 7th century onwards, Islam was predominant only from Herat in the west to legendary Balkh in the north all the way to Central Asia, and south between Sistan and Kandahar. The mountains of the Hindu Kush and the corridor from Kabul to Peshawar resisted Islam for centuries. Kabul in fact was a Hindu kingdom as late as the 11th century. It took as many as five centuries for the core Pashtun lands to convert to Islam.

Islam with Afghan characteristics

To cut an immensely complex story short, the Taliban was born in 1994 across the – artificial – border of Afghanistan and Pakistani Balochistan as a movement by Pashtuns who studied in Deobandi madrassas in Pakistan.

All the Afghan Taliban leaders had very close connections with Pakistani religious parties. During the 1980s anti-USSR jihad, many of these Taliban (“students”) in several madrassas worked side by side with the mujahideen to defend Islam in Afghanistan against the infidel. The whole process was channeled through the Peshawar political establishment: -overseen by the Pakistani ISI, with enormous CIA input, and a tsunami of cash and would-be jihadis flowing from Saudi Arabia and the wider Arab world.

When they finally seized power in 1994 in Kandahar and 1996 in Kabul, the Taliban emerged as a motley crew of minor clerics and refugees invested in a sort of wacky Afghan reformation – religious and cultural – as they set up what they saw as a pure Salafist Islamic Emirate.

I saw how it worked on the spot, and as demented as it was, it amounted to a new political force in Afghanistan. The Taliban were very popular in the south because they promised security after the bloody 1992-1995 civil war. The totally radical Islamist ideology came later – with disastrous results, especially in the big cities. But not in the subsistence agriculture countryside, because the Taliban social outlook merely reflected rural Afghan practice.

The Taliban installed a 7th century-style Salafi Islam crisscrossed with the Pashtunwali code. A huge mistake was their aversion to Sufism and the veneration of shrines – something extremely popular in Islamic Afghanistan for centuries.

It’s too early to tell how Taliban 2.0 will play out in the dizzyingly complex, emerging Eurasian integration chessboard. But internally, a wiser, more traveled, social media-savvy Taliban seem aware they cannot allow themselves to repeat the dire 1996-2001 mistakes.

Deng Xiaoping set the framework for socialism with Chinese characteristics . One of the greatest geopolitical challenges ahead will be whether Taliban 2.0 are able to shape a sustainable development Islam with Afghan characteristics.




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Thursday, September 9, 2021 3:33 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Pepe Escobar posted with permission and first posted at Asia Times

The announcement by Taliban spokesman Zahibullah Mujahid in Kabul of the acting cabinet ministers in the new caretaker government of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan already produced a big bang: it managed to enrage both woke NATOstan and the US Deep State.

This is an all-male, overwhelmingly Pashtun (there’s one Uzbek and one Tajik) cabinet essentially rewarding the Taliban old guard. All 33 appointees are Taliban members.

Acting PM
Mohammad Hasan Akhund – the head of the Taliban Rehbari Shura, or leadership council, for 20 years – will be the Acting Prime Minister. For all practical purposes, Akhund is branded a terrorist by the UN and the EU, and under sanctions by the UN Security Council. It’s no secret Washington brands some Taliban factions as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, and sanctions the whole of the Taliban as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” organization.

SPIRITUAL LEADER
It’s crucial to stress Himatullah Akhundzada, the Taliban Supreme Leader since 2016, is Amir al-Momineen (“Commander of the Faithful”). He can’t be a Prime Minister; his role is that of a supreme spiritual leader, setting the guidelines for the Islamic Emirate and mediating disputes – politics included.

Akhunzada has released a statement, noting that the new government “will work hard towards upholding Islamic rules and sharia law in the country” and will ensure “lasting peace, prosperity and development”. He added, “people should not try to leave the country”.

Spokesman Mujahid took pains to stress this new cabinet is just an “acting” government. This implies one of the next big steps will be to set up a new constitution. The Taliban will “try to take people from other parts of the country” – implying positions for women and Shi’ites may still be open, but not at top level.

DEPUTY PM
Taliban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar, who so far had been very busy diplomatically as the head of the political office in Doha, will be deputy Prime Minister. He was a Taliban co-founder in 1994 and close friend of Mullah Omar, who called him “Baradar” (“brother”) in the first place.

ACTING INTERIOR MINISTER
A predictable torrent of hysteria greeted the appointment of Sirajuddin Haqqani as Acting Minister of Interior. After all the son of Haqqani founder Jalaluddin, one of three deputy emirs and the Taliban military commander, with a fierce reputation, has a $5 million FBI bounty on his head. His FBI “wanted” page is not exactly a prodigy of intel: they don’t know when he was born, and where, and that he speaks Pashto and Arabic.

This may be the new government’s top challenge: to prevent Sirajuddin and his wild boys from acting medieval in non-Pashtun areas of Afghanistan, and most of all to make sure the Haqqanis cut off any connections with jihadi outfits. That’s a sine qua non condition established by the China-Russia strategic partnership for political, diplomatic and economic development support.

ACTING FOREIGN MINISTER
Foreign policy will be much more accommodating. Amir Khan Muttaqi, also a member of the political office in Doha, will be the Acting Foreign Minister, and his deputy will be Abas Stanikzai, who’s in favor of cordial relations with Washington and the rights of Afghan religious minorities.

ACTING DEFENSE MINISTER
Mohammad Yaqoob, the son of Mullah Omar, will be the Acting Defense Minister.

OTHER
So far, the only non-Pashtuns are Abdul Salam Hanafi, an Uzbek, appointed as second deputy to the Prime Minister, and Qari Muhammad Hanif, a Tajik, the acting Minister of Economic Affairs, a very important post.

****

The Tao of staying patient

The Taliban Revolution has already hit the Walls of Kabul – who are fast being painted white with Kufic letter inscriptions. One of these reads, “For an Islamic system and independence, you have to go through tests and stay patient.”

That’s quite a Taoist statement: striving for balance towards a real “Islamic system”. It offers a crucial glimpse of what the Taliban leadership may be after: as Islamic theory allows for evolution, the new Afghanistan system will be necessarily unique, quite different from Qatar’s or Iran’s, for instance.

In the Islamic legal tradition, followed directly or indirectly by rulers of Turko-Persian states for centuries, to rebel against a Muslim ruler is illegitimate because it creates fitna (sedition, conflict). That was already the rationale behind the crushing of the fake “resistance” in the Panjshir – led by former Vice-President and CIA asset Amrullah Saleh. even tried serious negotiations, sending a delegation of 40 Islamic scholars to the Panjshir.

But then Taliban intel established that Ahmad Masoud – son of the legendary Lion of the Panjshir, assassinated two days before 9/11 – was operating under orders of French and Israeli intel. And that sealed his fate: not only he was creating fitna, he was a foreign agent. His partner Saleh, the “resistance” de facto leader, fled by helicopter to Tajikistan.

It’s fascinating to note a parallel between Islamic legal tradition and Hobbes’s Leviathan, which justifies absolute rulers. The Hobbesian Taliban: here’s a hefty research topic for US Think Tankland.

The Taliban also follow the rule that a war victory – and nothing more spectacular than defeating combined NATO power – allows for undisputed political power, although that does not discard strategic alliances. We’ve already seen it in terms of how the moderate, Doha-based political Taliban are accommodating the Haqqanis – an extremely sensitive business.

Abdul Haqqani will be the Acting Minister for Higher Education; Najibullah Haqqani will be Minister of Communications; and Khalil Haqqani, so far ultra-active as interim head of security in Kabul, will be Minister for Refugees.

oh dear. Putting the Haqqanis in charge of everything interior is like putting the Ukrainian Nazis in charge of everything interior
Quote:



The next step will be much harder: to convince the urban, educated populations in the big cities – Kabul, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif – not only of their legitimacy, acquired in the frontlines, but that they will crush the corrupt urban elite that plundered the nation for the past 20 years. All that while engaging in a credible, national interest process of improving the lives of average Afghans under a new Islamic system. It will be crucial to watch what kind of practical and financial help the emir of Qatar will offer.

The new cabinet has elements of a Pashtun jirga (tribal assembly). I’ve been to a few, and it’s fascinating to see how it works. Everyone sits on a circle to avoid a hierarchy – even if symbolic. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion. This leads to alliances necessarily being forged.

The negotiations to form a government were being conducted in Kabul by former President Hamid Karzai – crucially, a Pashtun from a minor Durrani clan, the Popalzai – and Abdullah Abdullah, a Tajik, and former head of the Council for National Reconciliation. The Taliban did listen to them, but in the end they de facto chose what their own jirga had decided.

Pashtuns are extremely fierce when it comes to defending their Islamic credentials. They believe their legendary founding ancestor, Qais Abdul Rasheed, converted to Islam in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad, and then Pashtuns became the strongest defender of the faith anywhere.

Yet that’s not exactly how it played out in history. From the 7th century onwards, Islam was predominant only from Herat in the west to legendary Balkh in the north all the way to Central Asia, and south between Sistan and Kandahar. The mountains of the Hindu Kush and the corridor from Kabul to Peshawar resisted Islam for centuries. Kabul in fact was a Hindu kingdom as late as the 11th century. It took as many as five centuries for the core Pashtun lands to convert to Islam.

Islam with Afghan characteristics

To cut an immensely complex story short, the Taliban was born in 1994 across the – artificial – border of Afghanistan and Pakistani Balochistan as a movement by Pashtuns who studied in Deobandi madrassas in Pakistan.

All the Afghan Taliban leaders had very close connections with Pakistani religious parties. During the 1980s anti-USSR jihad, many of these Taliban (“students”) in several madrassas worked side by side with the mujahideen to defend Islam in Afghanistan against the infidel. The whole process was channeled through the Peshawar political establishment: -overseen by the Pakistani ISI, with enormous CIA input, and a tsunami of cash and would-be jihadis flowing from Saudi Arabia and the wider Arab world.

When they finally seized power in 1994 in Kandahar and 1996 in Kabul, the Taliban emerged as a motley crew of minor clerics and refugees invested in a sort of wacky Afghan reformation – religious and cultural – as they set up what they saw as a pure Salafist Islamic Emirate.

I saw how it worked on the spot, and as demented as it was, it amounted to a new political force in Afghanistan. The Taliban were very popular in the south because they promised security after the bloody 1992-1995 civil war. The totally radical Islamist ideology came later – with disastrous results, especially in the big cities. But not in the subsistence agriculture countryside, because the Taliban social outlook merely reflected rural Afghan practice.

The Taliban installed a 7th century-style Salafi Islam crisscrossed with the Pashtunwali code. A huge mistake was their aversion to Sufism and the veneration of shrines – something extremely popular in Islamic Afghanistan for centuries.

It’s too early to tell how Taliban 2.0 will play out in the dizzyingly complex, emerging Eurasian integration chessboard. But internally, a wiser, more traveled, social media-savvy Taliban seem aware they cannot allow themselves to repeat the dire 1996-2001 mistakes.

Deng Xiaoping set the framework for socialism with Chinese characteristics . One of the greatest geopolitical challenges ahead will be whether Taliban 2.0 are able to shape a sustainable development Islam with Afghan characteristics.




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Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:59 AM

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Anyone predict 1/10 maybe one Tenth of this islamist shithole dying off as they go into a Civil War?

maybe put that one into the prediction thread??

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Tuesday, December 21, 2021 8:14 AM

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Trump is still banned from most of the mainstream interwebs?

Facebook allowed photos of beheadings and violent hate speech from ISIS and the Taliban to be tagged as 'insightful'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10328801/Facebook-fail
ed-crack-extremist-content-report-reveals.html


Al-Qaeda has grown ‘slightly’ inside Afghanistan since Taliban takeover: U.S. commander
https://globalnews.ca/news/8439683/afghanistan-al-qaeda-growth/

While the West focused on Afghanistan, ISIS gained ground in Iraq and beyond
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/while-the-west-focused-on-afghanistan
-isis-gained-ground-in-iraq-and-beyond
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Wednesday, March 23, 2022 9:12 AM

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How Afghanistan's Militant Groups Are Evolving Under Taliban Rule

https://www.voanews.com/a/how-afghanistan-s-militant-groups-are-evolvi
ng-under-taliban-rule/6492194.html


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

oh dear. Putting the Haqqanis in charge of everything interior is like putting the Ukrainian Nazis in charge of everything interior




Ukraine is run by a tv character perhaps a failure of a leader, however Putin is the killer who is invading.

I don't think Ukraine could ever go full islamo retard like the Taliban

but then again Russians seem to be importing islamist Chechen mercs into the region

Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

We also made the mistake of trying to prop up yet another puppet, Kharazi




its a demon pedophile terrorist Moongod religion

These people are of shitlamic culture, these who are dumb islamic assholes who chopped each others heads off over a fucking cartoon
...and every time rather than call out islamism...assholes like Faggot Firma when given the chance they defended the demonic religion of islam

Maybe I say demon religion for lack of a better description
Perhaps there is more to this world and it is a demonic enity that crosses time
America could have propped up whatever the fuck corrupted puppet it wanted and still won that shit war

Not all muslims will be bad, terrible people, some as individual might have good human qualities but their religion is terrible, one of the worst that has ever existed.

One day a realization came to me
I think it came not from Chanting or Yoga or Buddhist history or the Bible ...it just arrived to me...but maybe from Bumping the Funny Cartoon sparks Jihad thread, maybe from looking at their shit ugly chicken scratch writing systems compared to their richer history that existed before islam, maybe it came to me after a look at their dumb art where everything looks like am ugly carpet or doormat, maybe it was the sound of islamic, hearing their out-of-tune wails from a mosque or some of their miserable dialects that sound like spittying, coughing, moaning and htorat hacking sounds and maybe it came from anotehr source maybe Eastern fictional writing or West fiction stories, then reading both Western and Asian Fantasy Novels, art books and Scifi books.

I have nothing against the pre-islamic history of Arabia and Afghanistan, before islam these seemed to be great people that had many achivements but then shit called islam comes along.

I'm not really religious
but I believe America propped up not a shit person but a SHIT-LAMIC 1400 yr old demon ghost, the United States of America kicked the Taliban's ass, it had 98% of the country in cotnrol and then suddenly it decided NOT TO WIN
in 2004 shitlamic people got inside the brains of Little Bush, inside the brains fo globalists Leftwing Neo-Liberals typesa and Neo-Cons and made an islamist Anti-American Constitution of Afghanistan
the shitlamic Constitution of Asscrackistan then in 2004 suddenly described this pedophile terroristic shit called Islam as its Most Sacred Law
In 2004 it was decided that all other faith, and political social ideas and religion rituls perform their religious 'rites' within the limits of the Sharia islamist jihadi law.

Ever since America has been sending people into Assckracistan to waste their sweat and treasure and bodies and times to bleed and die for a 1400 yr old pedophile Death Cult

Such wisdom from our leaders in the West ' sarcasm off symbol '
but then again it was Bush and Blair who declared it a 'religion of peace' straight after the 911 attacks

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Originally posted by second:

U.S. has evacuated and facilitated the evacuation of approximately 111,900 people. Since the end of July, we have re-located approximately 117,500 people.



I must say that evac was very impressive even if optics looked bad like 'Nam
with people falling off planes. It was very impressive how many the USA got out.

There might be still some hundred behind enemy lines in Afghanistan.

I also hear some fo the same rescue people are involved running trucks and vans and cars into Ukraine as a rescue mission, a similar but totally different operation to save people than Afghansiatn where they don't have access to the Shipping Ports or the Air.


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Tuesday, March 29, 2022 6:56 AM

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Thursday, May 5, 2022 5:54 AM

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Taliban Stops Issuing Driving Licence To Afghan Women: Reports

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/taliban-to-stop-issuing-driving-licenc
e-to-women-in-kabul-reports-2947030



1980s


"In Afghanistan, Soviets find replacing Islam with communism isn't easy"

https://www.csmonitor.com/1985/0806/olam.html

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Sunday, May 8, 2022 4:22 PM

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'ISIS trying to regroup in Afghanistan'
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/272541277/isis-trying-to-regroup-i
n-afghanistan

Chair of US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley

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