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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

They constantly print misinformation.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.


If not the media. What other reputable sources of news are there?


10 Journalism Brands Where You Find Real Facts Rather Than Alternative Facts

https://www.forbes.com/sites/berlinschoolofcreativeleadership/2017/02/
01/10-journalism-brands-where-you-will-find-real-facts-rather-than-alternative-facts/#1994f207e9b5

1. The New York Times
2. The Wall Street Journal
3. The Washington Post
4. BBC
5. The Economist
6. The New Yorker
7. The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
8. Foreign Affairs
9. The Atlantic
10. Politico



Runners Up:

- National Public Radio

- TIME magazine

-The Christian Science Monitor

- The Los Angeles Times (and many other regional, metropolitan daily newspapers)

- USA Today

- CNN

- NBC News

- CBS News

- ABC News

Business News Sources:

- FORBES magazine

- Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine

- Fortune magazine

- The Financial Times newspaper

Sources of reporting and opinion from the right of the political spectrum:

- National Review

- The Weekly Standard

Sources of reporting and opinion from the left of the political spectrum:

- The New Republic

- The Nation

Paul Glader is an associate professor of journalism at The King's College in New York City, a media scholar at The Berlin School of Creative Leadership

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This is only a partial list of Liberal shill Legacy Media. I know you can do better than this.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Signy -

I realize Hatfill's article wasn't a research paper. And maybe he was the victim of editorial space-saving and they got rid of his references as too long and too pedantic.

But I found many of his statements troubling because they lacked evidence.

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When the COVID-19 pandemic began, a search was made

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for suitable antiviral therapies to use as treatment until a vaccine could be produced. One drug, hydroxychloroquine, was found to be the most effective and safe for use against the virus.

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Isn't that the point in dispute? So how does an unsupported claim resolve it?

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Fauci seemed to be unaware that there actually was a national pandemic plan for respiratory viruses.

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Did it involve HCQ as implied?

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... some knowledgeable practicing U.S. physicians began prescribing hydroxychloroquine to patients still in the early phase of COVID infection. Its effects seemed dramatic.

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names? dates? numbers?

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They reaffirmed that hydroxychloroquine was a safe drug with no serious side effects.

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That's simply not true as HCQ definitely carries risks, even listed in the prescribing information in the US.

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In mid-April a high-level memo was sent to the FDA alerting them to the fact that the best use for hydroxychloroquine was for its early use in still ambulatory COVID patients.

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... some countries had already implemented early, aggressive, outpatient community treatment with hydroxychloroquine ...

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Which ones? When did this happen?

And so on.

You know, I'd be happy if HCQ was a good answer to saving a lot of people. And as you may have noticed, I've spent considerable time and effort trying to track down the reality of the current situation instead of just relying on m$m claims.


But, just like with WMDs, and Russia hacked the DNC, I'd need to see evidence. Hatfill was certainly in a position to provide some, but he provided zip, not even durable, verifiable names and dates in his historical recounting.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let me clarify: Martenson still advocates masking and handwashing, but what he's saying is that if you implement strict lockdown measures, all you're doing is delaying the "first wave". I've been wondering about that myself: all nations, whether they lockdown or "let 'er rip" -or something in-between- seem to have some inherent number of people who're going to die, it's only a question of "when".

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've noticed a lack of clarity among internet sources about dosage. Many of the Fake Trials are intentionally failing the Trial by forcing HIGH DOSES which has already been known, for many decades, to cause problems, like with the heart.


I see that the approved dosage is only for a max or 6.5mg per kg of body weight per day. For 100lbs person, this is about 290mg, or less than 150mg if taking twice per day. For 150lbs, this is about 440mg per day, or max dosage of 220mg twice per day. For 200lbs, this is about 580mg per day maximum, or 290mg twice per day.

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There are in fact a number of very different maximum dosages DEPENDING ON USE.
There's the maximum dosage


Usual Adult Dose for Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
-Doses above 400 mg/day are not recommended.
Usual Adult Dose for Rheumatoid Arthritis
Maximum dose: 600 mg salt (465 mg base)/day or 6.5 mg/kg salt (5 mg/kg base)/day, whichever is lower
https://www.drugs.com/dosage/hydroxychloroquine.html

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Successful treatment practices have indicated starting with 400mg twice on the first day, 12 hours apart, and then 200mg twice per day for 4 days. This all exceeds the approved maximum dosages as specified in the approval for use guidelines. This would certainly seem to fit the description of HIGH DOSES.


However, WHO has been trying to force Doctors to use 800mg x2 6 hours apart on the first day, followed by 400mg x2 per day for 10 days.
That certainly seems to be exceeding the maximum allowed dosage by a factor up to 11.

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That is a completely false statement. https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/informal-consultation-on-the-d
ose-of-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-the-solidarity-clinical-trial---8-april-2020 The WHO trial recommends "The Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine schedule selected for the trial includes two oral loading doses (250 mg per tablet CQ or 200mg per tablet HCQ), then oral twice-daily maintenance doses for ten days." For HCQ that's 400mg/day.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let me clarify: Martenson still advocates masking and handwashing, but what he's saying is that if you implement strict lockdown measures, all you're doing is delaying the "first wave". I've been wondering about that myself: all nations, whether they lockdown or "let 'er rip" -or something in-between- seem to have some inherent number of people who're going to die, it's only a question of "when".

Well, I thought the point of all of this WAS to "flatten the curve" to not overwhelm the medical system. NOT to eradicate the virus. If that was the point then California has done an excellent job of flattening the curve, because it seems to be progressing thru its "first peak" rather slowly.

But he has some interesting data from Sweden, starting at 24:17 which shows Sweden having a "first peak" of deaths and a "second peak" of cases without attendant deaths.

I wonder how much of these shape of the "cases" curve is constricted by early limitations in testing. Since Sweden has had a "let 'er rip" philosophy from the beginning, why wouldn't the "cases" curve just steadily progress upwards instead of itself showing a dip? I think I would like to see an attendant "positivity" line along with the "cases" line to help me understand how much of the cases they were actually detecting along various points of the curve. Also, when facing skyrocketing death rates, the Swedish people may have taken it upon themselves to take precautions. Also, I wonder if the "first wave" (of deaths) was from the first strain of the virus, and the "second wave" (of cases) was from the more infectious mutation. I don't know the answer to that one, but I'd sure like to know!

So his video seems to be more of a caution against further lockdowns, but relying on masking and handwashing.

I think I started recommending masking up instead of lockdowns about three weeks into the USA epidemic. It seems to intrude less on people's liberties than other measures like lockdowns or "immunity passports" or mandated vaccination or microchipping people and have a lot lower impact on the economy.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Sheesh. You're as bad as JACK when it comes to not being able to admit when you're wrong, especially to a woman.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Skip the first part, Chris Martenson is still pursuing his "native immunity/lower threshold for herd immunity" theory.

However, at 19:20 he discusses a triple therapy that has been found by Australian doctor and researcher to be 100% successful in curing mild cases of Covid-19: Ivermectin, zinc, and doxycyline. This therapy is more successful than HCQ+azithromycin, which was used as the base case in comparative studies.

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Also, with the development of a rapid saliva PCR test for Covid-19, it will be possible to test early and TREAT early, when it is likely to be more successful.

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From ZH, fwiw

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Breakthrough Research On Severe COVID-19 Infections Opens Door To New Treatment

So far, scientists have figured out that being male, elderly, and having underlying medical conditions can all raise risk factors for patients. But even patients who check all these boxes don't always experience serious symptoms. Scientists suspect that several factors influence severity, including pre-existing levels of inflammation, natural immunity levels, and the amount and strain of virus that starts the infection - along with variations in patients' genetic makeup.

As has been previously reported, many patients suffer the worst of the symptoms for COVID-19 due to an immune system overreaction called a "cytokine storm". As Dr. Fauci once explained, while "too little immunity is no good"..."too much immunity is really, really bad".

Now, researchers have discovered the role of a critical protein which could open the door to a new potential COVID-19 treatment.

Studies comparing reactions to COVID-19 in siblings have unearthed an interesting detail: the availability of a substance called interferon. Interferons are signaling proteins that help orchestrate the body’s defense against viral pathogens; they're used to treat diseases like Hepatitis C.

A growing body of evidence, including twin landmark studies published Thursday in the journal "Science" showed that "insufficient" interferon levels may be a dangerous precursor to a serious infection. As one researcher explained, the data suggest the virus uses this "one big trick" to slip past the body's initial defense systems.

"It looks like this virus has one big trick," said Shane Crotty, a professor in the Center for Infectious Disease and Vaccine Research at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California. "That big trick is to avoid the initial innate immune response for a significant period of time and, in particular, avoid an early type-1 interferon response."

The research highlights the potential for interferon-based therapies to expand a range of non-vaccine-related treatments, like Gilead's remdesivir and convalescent plasma.

Research shows the timing of medical intervention is also critical.

"We think timing may be essential because it’s only in the very early phase one can really battle the virus particles and defend against infection," said Alexander Hoischen, head of the genomic technologies and immuno-genomics group at Radboud University Medical Center in Nijmegen that analyzed the DNA of the two sets of brothers.

Then again, some people are believed to have trouble fighting infections because they make antibodies that deactivate their own interferon. On Thursday, a global consortium of researchers said such immune reactions to the protein could account for life-threatening pneumonia in at least 2.6% of women and 12.5% of men that causes inflammation in the patient's lungs.

Findings from the research offer the first explanation for the significantly higher mortality rate seen in male and elderly COVID-19 patients.

Interferon-blocking antibodies appeared in 101 of 987 patients with severe disease, but none of the 663 people with an asymptomatic or mild case, according to the research being published in "Science". Patients over 65 were also more likely than younger ones to have the autoimmune abnormality, which was "clinically silent until the patients were infected with SARS-CoV-2," said a group of more than 100 scientists said.

Researchers estimated that Inteferon issues might underlie as many as 14% of fatalities and the most severe cases.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/breakthrough-research-severe-co
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/study-identifies-3-existing-
drugs-that-may-help-treat-covid-19#Three-drugs-identified

Study identifies 3 existing drugs that may help treat COVID-19

Instead, in their study, the scientists used a ligand-based virtual screening (LBVS) (like the 'in silico' method described in a post above -1kiki)

... to study approximately 4,000 drugs[,] then verifying their findings, the scientists identified three that may be effective against COVID-19 and, in their opinion, should be made the subject of clinical trials.

These are the antimalarial drug amodiaquine, the anti-psychotic zuclopenthixol, and the blood pressure medication nebivolol.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That graph shows that with HCQ the CFR settles to 1-3%, but without HCQ the CFR hangs around 10-16%.

So the realistic CFR expected is about 1/5 to 1/10 the Death Rate as the Fauci-Hahn Strategy.

New York and MI had banned use of HCQ, and they drove the Death Count for the whole nation, so our Deaths could be around 12,000 instead of around 120,000 (or whatever it is now).

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Why not try arsenic? How about plutonium?

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AMA doesn't endorse HCQ/ CQ
I want to point out that the AMA doesn't ENDORSE HCQ or CQ. What it does is state that they are prescribable drugs, and physicians should be professional enough, and knowledgeable enough, and in touch with their patient's medical histories enough, that its (the AMA's) previous stance that those drugs should not be prescribed is contrary to the AMA's code of endorsing physician professional judgement.

Unverified and unverifiable information
And unfortunately, your link contains many links to either already-debunked claims or back to its own website (that go back to April), and those links mostly contain no links to original sources. So many of its claims are not only not verified, but unverifiable by tracking down its literature.

Outdated information, misattribution of cause
On top of that, many of its claims are sadly misstated, for example, attributing the low case fatality rates in Qatar, Bahrain, and the UAE to HCQ/ CQ rather than the fact that ~75% of their populations (website's figures) are guest workers who are young and healthy. And that is very similar to Singapore's demographic where virtually all infections were non-fatal because they occurred in guest-worker housing consisting of young healthy people. Another example is its attribution of SK's low case fatality rate to HCQ/ CQ when clearly those numbers are now outdated in SK's recent explosion of COVID-19.

Applicability to the US
And, when it comes to population demographics and low case fatality rate, here in the US (for example) we have many multigenerational households where older people with more comorbidities are getting infected (who are also at increased cardiac risk due to the side effects of HCQ/ CQ), who then go on to die from the disease.

Website advocacy
And very clearly the website is a single-person advocacy for HCQ/ CQ.



Opinion
Hopefully, doctors and other prescribing personnel are using their own judgement about individual patients when prescribing HCQ/ CQ after reviewing the risks and benefits, and not succumbing either way to blanket advocacy.

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Rand Paul pushes Conspiracy Theories

Fauci and NIH confirm that $600,000 of public money went to Wuhan - two weeks after Rand Paul row
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9618623/Fauci-NIH-confirm-600
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Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding. Sen. Rand Paul says: "Fauci Should Be Made To Testify Under Oath"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-dr-fauci-lied-congress-china-v
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Thanks for the post!

I read somewhere that there's some indication that HCQ might also work. My only objection to HCQ is that because it could cause serious/ deadly side effects due to G6PD deficiency (found in 10% of Mediterranean and African populations), that it should be prescribed thoughtfully, and not en masse.

Oh, I was just following up on quinine/ cardiac arrhythmias, quinidine/ cardiac arrhythmias, and HCQ/ cardiac arrhythmias; I looked at the 3 of them because they're all in the same broad category.

Quinine has been used to treat malaria, but also rarely cardiac arrhythmias, as it has a noticeable effect on heart conductivity, but can also induce cardiac arrhythmias at times.

The same is true of quinidine, a stereoisomer of quinine whose primary use has been to treat arrhythmias but which has also been far less used to prevent and treat malaria.

HCQ is also used as a prophylactic and treatment against malaria, but has never been used to treat cardiac arrhythmias to my knowledge, though it's been used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, some types of lupus, and some other autoimmune conditions.

So the question is does HCQ affect heart conductivity like its related drugs?

There are several websites that report rare documented cases of HCQ cardiotoxicity.
https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/2020/04/24/hydroxychloroquine-car
diotoxicity-a-rare-but-potentially-deadly-adverse-effect/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15079764/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29600108/
https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/article/54/suppl_1/i56/1829732
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2048872612471215

but others that didn't
https://www.the-rheumatologist.org/article/hydroxychloroquine-cardioto
xicity-in-ra-patients/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34015030/

and some reported overall benefit
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520300998

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Dr. Fauci Just Issued This "Serious" Warning
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/dr-fauci-just-issued-serious-160133394
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Hydroxychloroquine doctor sues CNN, Anderson Cooper for $100 million
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/07/29/hydroxychloroquine-doctor-sues-
cnn-anderson-cooper-for-100-million/

Trump tweeted all kinds of stuff, there was hype about Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine they are anti-malarial medications also used against some auto-immune diseases. Chloroquine, along with hydroxychloroquine, was an early failed experimental treatment for COVID-19. It is thought they are not effective for preventing infection but...

...the story continues i guess, it might be combined with other drugs,
In 2021, hydroxychloroquine was part of the recommended treatment for mild cases in India

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/TRZvU7r8JhyT/
Gain of Function Gaslighting

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The bioweapon and its sister vials are all part of the plandemic, and the target of these is to create sterility though autoimmune response. In that light, antivirals are a better line of defense because they decrease the virulence of infection without boosting overactive immune response that could lead to errant autoimmune conditions developing.

Of course the Event201 plan involved holding the world hostage to a real sounding but fictional Extronivir supply, rather than an omnipresent Hydroxychloriquine, but HIV own infamous Tony Fraudci was superceded in his proposed treatment plan by a random Satmar who had Trump's ear.

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Anyway, you're right, about this

Jewelstaitefan, you misread Jayneztown's posts. he's mocking the Fraudci and his claims, not supporting them.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe it's not extremes like HIV you have to worry about.

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Maybe it's not extremes like HIV you have to worry about.

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I was just mentioning that there are a lot of non-life-threatening yet chronic and/or irreversable immune responses that people could get.

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Maybe it's not extremes like HIV you have to worry about.

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was not saying you'd get HIV from the vax. Though you could get a similar condition. I was actually referencing Tony Fauci's work plagiarizing Luc Montagnier. For years everyone thought Robert Gallo had done it, and created the fake HIV isolation, to steal the credit, but then around 1999-2000 Tony Fauci admitted he did it himself, and Gallo was exonerated. What amazes me is that 20 years later we're trusting Tony Fauci and saying none of his work is bogus esp on the viral isolation that the kiwi hottie was just talking about.

New Zealand accent is kind of like a Scottish accent.

If you want confirmation on that, you don't have to trust my memory of Fauci's confession, Judy Mikovits references it in the plandemic video also.

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