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HR 1: Election Reform Bill
Friday, March 12, 2021 2:40 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, March 12, 2021 3:10 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President. But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President. I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned. What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President. But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President. I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.
Friday, March 12, 2021 3:12 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So, SECONDRATE, you choose to be disagreeable?
Friday, March 12, 2021 3:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President. But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President. I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned. What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise. That may be the stupidest example possible. Lincoln's Vice President Andrew Johnson WAS a Democrat. Part of the reason he was Impeached.
Friday, March 12, 2021 8:02 PM
Friday, March 12, 2021 8:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President. But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President. I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned. What you are so certain will lead to compromise would actually lead to even worse gridlock. If Jefferson Davis had been Abraham Lincoln's V.P. the Federal government could not have functioned because Davis's goals were incompatible with Lincoln's, just as today the GOP's goals are literally, not figuratively, at war with the Democratic Party's goals. Look at the Democrats' platform. Compare it to the GOP's. You will see that the two cannot come to a compromise. That may be the stupidest example possible. Lincoln's Vice President Andrew Johnson WAS a Democrat. Part of the reason he was Impeached.At least while Lincoln was alive, V.P. Johnson was cooperative. Johnson was impeached because he was a slave-owner who won't punish the slave-owners of the Confederacy.
Saturday, March 13, 2021 10:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Without resorting to more lies, please find and quote the Articles of Impeachment which state, include, or paraphrase those words and pretexts.
Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:14 PM
Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I listened to Biden's speech.In a 30-minute video, 7 1/2 mins were of any empty podium. Okie dokie! He reads a telepromper good now! But what does it have to do with anything? He mourns the death of everyone, not just victims of Covid-19? Oh, big deal. All of the negative effects ... the parties that never happened, the jobs and homes lost, the isolation from loved ones, the vacations never taken ... were a result of GOVERNMENT MANDATE, NOT A RESULT OF COVID-19. If you want to blame deaths on anyone, blame them on the government - the President and governors who did not take effective action soon enough. And if you want to blame anyone for the jobs lost, blame state governments (mostly Dems) who were the first to institute lockdowns, which "flattened the curve" but ultimately did not prevent infection. THE TRUTH? IT'S A SHIT SANDWICH, NO MATTER WHICH SIDE YOU BITE. And don't forget, the vaccines were developed UNDER TRUMP. Biden's message? TRUST GOVERNMENT! The same government that ordered nursing homes to take in people who had been diagnosed with Covid-19, causing about 10,000 extra deaths! (Cuomo) TRUST GOVERNMENT SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS! The same scientists and doctors that refused to even consider preventive medicine, like HCQ or vitamin D or ivermectin, which showed success as a preventative (not a treatment) in foreign studies. There were a couple of things Trump COULD have done early on, but he didn't: Close the border to all incoming foreign travellers, and require ALL returning Americans to quarantien and Commandeer all N95 masks and use war powers to build factories at home to make crap-ton more. Those "procedure" masks are only minimally-effective. Vatious studies have shown they prevented approx 1-2% infections and deaths, which is better than nothing but not really effective. But nobody has ever claimed that N95s don't work. GOVERNORS could have clamped down on nursing homes, which is where 40% of deaths occurred. And the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT could have given Sputnik5, the conventional Russian vaccine (not mRNA-based) an EUA, cross-licensed it to mfrs who didn' have a viable vaccine in the pipeline, since it is very effective and available earlier than the others. what can Biden* do in addition to improving N95 capacity? KEEP THE FUCKING BORDERS CLOSED, JOE. ESPECIALLY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO MAY BE COMING IN WITH VARIANTS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. END THE ENDLESS WARS SO THE COVID RELIEF PACKAGE (90% TO B BUSINESS) WON'T BLOW A COVID-SIZED HOLE ON OUR BUDGET. The rest is all just emotional bullshit and phony sympathy.
Saturday, March 13, 2021 4:00 PM
Saturday, March 13, 2021 4:15 PM
Saturday, March 13, 2021 5:43 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not. Is that right? Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then? Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) did not want $15/hr, so it didn't pass. Manchin said on TV that he is uncomfortable about spoiling other Democrats' plans but too bad because that how they do things in West Virginia. Probably next on Manchin's kill list is any spending bills on infrastructure. Manchin on his veto power over Biden agenda: 'It's not a good place to be'. When he said that, he was laughing and smiling. It is a GREAT place to be, is what he meant. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not. Is that right? Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then? Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?
Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not. Is that right? Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then? Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"? Why was Bernie Sanders so desperate to keep it in ARPA that he argued increasing the minimum wage couldn't be struck down by the Byrd Rule since, by his own admission, it would have a direct impact on the budget by making goods and services cost more money for the Government? Maybe we can break the rules whenever we'd like to now... We just don't want to break them to raise the minimum wage.
Saturday, March 13, 2021 5:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So, I gather that the Big Reason for HR1 is ... Trump???? Dood, get a grip! That's what I've been saying all along: it's a purely partisan exercise in power! Has bugger all to do with reform! Was that short enough for you?
Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:16 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: So, I gather that the Big Reason for HR1 is ... Trump????
Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not. Is that right? Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then? Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) did not want $15/hr, so it didn't pass. Manchin said on TV that he is uncomfortable about spoiling other Democrats' plans but too bad because that how they do things in West Virginia. Probably next on Manchin's kill list is any spending bills on infrastructure. Manchin on his veto power over Biden agenda: 'It's not a good place to be'. When he said that, he was laughing and smiling. It is a GREAT place to be, is what he meant. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/10/politics/joe-manchin-biden-agenda/index.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly Don't take part of my post and then not answer the question. Here's my whole post. Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not. Is that right? Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then? Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"? Why was Bernie Sanders so desperate to keep it in ARPA that he argued increasing the minimum wage couldn't be struck down by the Byrd Rule since, by his own admission, it would have a direct impact on the budget by making goods and services cost more money for the Government? Maybe we can break the rules whenever we'd like to now... We just don't want to break them to raise the minimum wage. Point being, the filibuster isn't going to be broken. Whether or not 50 Democrats were going to pass the minimum wage is besides the point. They knew that the only way it had a prayer to pass was to sneak it inside of legislation that only required a 51/50 vote by pretending that it related to the budget. HR1 has nothing to do with the budget, so it will need 60 votes to pass. I don't know why I come back and this thread is still even being discussed. HR1 will NEVER pass. -------------------------------------------------- " 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6] -------------------------------------------------- " 'You're like the Nazis' is the new 'I don't like you'. That disqualifies her from marching around planet Who-Gives-a-Shit in a helmet? ~Bill Maher Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6
Saturday, March 13, 2021 7:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Why are you ignoring this fact, Second. This entire thread is an exercise in futility.
Sunday, March 14, 2021 12:58 AM
Sunday, March 14, 2021 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND is in favor of bribery in the Senate. He's just chock-full of moral upstandingness, isn't he? WHY does he hate Trump so much, again? Corruption? ***** You see, SECONDRATE, how your blind hatred just leads your mind and moral on such twisted paths? Yanno, if you purge yourself of hatred, you might become a good man.
Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Why are you ignoring this fact, Second. This entire thread is an exercise in futility.Joe Manchin is more conservative than Democrats. https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+manchin+is+more+conservative+than+democrats But if Joe Biden sits down and talks to Joe Manchin, Joe to Joe, about everything depending on Joe's vote, maybe Joe can change Joe's mind about the filibuster. It wouldn't hurt to also include a special provision in every bill that helps Manchin's voters back in West Virginia. With frequent large bribes, wonderful things become possible in the Senate. Without bribes, nothing but evil and sadness will happen for the next two years, followed by the Democrats losing their majority in Congress. They might lose it before two years if any Democrat in the Senate gets ill. If Joe Biden wants new laws, Joe better move fast or he won't get anything. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, March 18, 2021 8:59 AM
Thursday, March 18, 2021 10:04 AM
Friday, March 26, 2021 1:44 AM
Friday, March 26, 2021 9:18 AM
Friday, March 26, 2021 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: ^ True news, reported falsely. P.S. The filibuster won't be broken, since Democrats would need the filibuster already broken in order to bust the filibuster so they can rig elections in this country forever. That's the real end game here for Democrats. They're trying to make a final play, believing that if the were to make it so any law gets passed with a 51% majority it won't harm them in the future because they will have rigged every election to go to them in perpetuity.
Friday, March 26, 2021 3:03 PM
Friday, March 26, 2021 3:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Although HR1 is the utopia of the DeConstitutionalists, I keep hearing HR6 is about as bad.
Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:15 PM
Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Ted Cruz told activists that there would be no room for compromise on H.R. 1 and the democratic reform push. “H.R. 1’s only objective is to ensure that Democrats can never again lose another election,” he said. “That they will win and maintain control of the House of Representatives and the Senate and of the state legislatures for the next century.” In an appearance on Fox, he went on to dub it the Corrupt Politicians Act, calling it “the single most dangerous piece of legislation before Congress,” and insisted its passage “would result in millions of illegal immigrants, and criminals, and felons being able to vote.”
Tuesday, March 30, 2021 8:12 PM
Thursday, April 1, 2021 2:50 PM
Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Conservative Movement Is Rejecting America
Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:52 PM
REAVERFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Conservative Movement Is Rejecting America Bullshit. I hate America. Hate Freedom. Hate free speech.
Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:53 PM
Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:55 PM
Friday, April 2, 2021 3:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system, It's a good first step.
Saturday, April 3, 2021 10:55 AM
Saturday, April 3, 2021 7:22 PM
Monday, April 5, 2021 9:04 AM
Monday, April 5, 2021 9:41 AM
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: ^ Lies. Imagine the hypocrisy of a government who will allow businesses to card people to get a job or buy groceries, but won't card people to vote in elections and gives millions of non-citizens free money from taxpayers.
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:12 AM
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: ^ Lies.
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:29 AM
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: lol Good luck buddy. Come and get me.
Monday, April 5, 2021 10:47 AM
Monday, April 5, 2021 11:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: lol. You're the one who is in serious need of a good ass kicking dude.
Monday, April 5, 2021 2:21 PM
Monday, April 5, 2021 6:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system, It's a good first step. I didn't know you had a democracy system in Russia, Troll. Here in America, we have a Federation of Republic, a Representative system. All of these words are in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - neither of which contain the word "democracy" because the Founding Fathers observed the mobocracy disaster from ancient Mediterranian democracies.
Monday, April 5, 2021 8:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: HR 1 would be an absolute godsend for restoring democracy to our system, It's a good first step. I didn't know you had a democracy system in Russia, Troll. Here in America, we have a Federation of Republic, a Representative system. All of these words are in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution - neither of which contain the word "democracy" because the Founding Fathers observed the mobocracy disaster from ancient Mediterranian democracies. Oh, look. The Russian troll tries to project. Sorry, cunt. You're an enemy of the United States and you prove it every day. Kill yourself.
Monday, April 5, 2021 8:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: lol. You're the one who is in serious need of a good ass kicking dude. You have beaten the fact into me, 6ix, about the psychology of Trumptards repeatedly making the same old mistakes that sink them to the bottom and keeps them struggling for their entire lives. You are somewhere between the 1,500th and 1,750th Trumptard to show me the depressing truth about themselves. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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