Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
where IS that list of GOP measures to "restrict the ballot"?

You keep posting about it, but so far I see no none. It's beginning to look like RUSSIA!COLLUSION!! all over again: all hot-air accusations, no substance.

---

www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-voting-bills-tra
cker-2021
As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict

---

Quote:

---

voting access in 43 states

About 134,000,000 stories on bills restrict voting access:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bills+restrict+voting+access

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

As of February 19, 2021, state lawmakers have carried over, prefiled, or introduced 253 bills with provisions that restrict voting access in 43 states

---

So, are these LEGITIMATE restrictions?

After all, we DO restrict voting! You must be a citizen, and over a certain age.

I would add that you must be able to provide proof of both your identity AND your citizenship, and follow whatever procedures are required to validate absentee or mail-in ballots.

Seems pretty brain-dead simple to me!

Now, on IT'S part, the state/county must provide secure and validate-able voting procedures, and follow them diligently in order to ensure that legitimate ballots aren't diluted with illegitimate ones.

Also pretty brain-dead simple!

---

Simple: stop

---

Quote:

---

Democrats was their intention. This will end with years of litigation in hundreds of cases. HR-1 will override all these cases, but HR-1 will itself be litigated for years, going all the way to the Supreme Court, much the same as Obamacare went to the Supreme Court.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, and BACK ON TOPIC ...

Quote:

---

90,000 Ballots in Largest Nevada County Sent to Wrong Addresses, Bounced Back: Report
By Petr Svab
March 10, 2021 Updated: March 10, 2021

More than 90,000 ballots mailed to registered voters in Nevada’s largest county were returned undeliverable, according to an analysis of the election data by a conservative legal group.

---

So, OOC, how were these envelopes "bounced back" as "undeliverable"? Was it because no such address existed?

Or did it depend on the honesty of the recipient, who dutifully noted to the mail carrier that no such person lived there, and were returned?

Because if it depended on the honesty of the recipient, it would be far too easy for someone to say "Oh, hey! A Ballot that I get to use!". And since NOBODY was validating IDs, anyone could use one.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:
Republicans Are Wasting Their Time With Vote Suppression Bills

Kevin Drum, March 9, 2021 – 10:34 am

Republicans have introduced a huge raft of bills in red states that would restrict

---

Quote:

---

They are loathsome.

But they are also pretty conventional. For the most part, they include all the old-school Republican favorites like restrictions on Sunday voting, photo ID laws, and so forth. These are all things Republicans have been promoting for years, and none of them have turned out to be all that effective. In some cases this is because they simply don't affect very many votes, while in others it's because they spur a backlash that prompts Democratic-leaning voters to turn out in higher numbers.

The big new addition to this arsenal is an attack on mail voting. Republicans are apparently convinced that this cost them the 2020 election, but it turns out these bills are just more of the same old ineffectual rubbish. Ian Millhiser describes a natural study of Texas voters:

Texas is one of a handful of states that discriminate on the basis of age when determining who may vote absentee: Voters over the age of 65 are allowed to request an absentee ballot, but most voters under that age are required to vote in person. The researchers at Stanford’s Democracy and Polarization Lab compared turnout rates among 65-year-olds in Texas’s 2020 elections — that is, among voters who were eligible to vote absentee — to the turnout rates among 64-year-olds who mostly could not vote by mail.

They found that “65-year-olds in Texas turned out in 2020 at almost exactly the same rate as 64-year-olds, even though roughly 18% of 65-year-olds voted absentee while only 3% of 64-year-olds voted absentee.”

The end result was that 65-year-olds were more Democratic than 64-year-olds by 0.2 percentage points, a difference too small to even be meaningful.

Other studies have shown the same thing: All of these anti-mail measures have only a very tiny effect. It may make Republicans feel good to demonstrate a whirlwind of activity that Fox News is happy to spin as "protecting against fraudulent votes," but in the end it doesn't really buy them much.

On a moral plane, this does nothing to excuse what they're doing. But on a practical plane, it means they're mostly wasting their time.

https://jabberwocking.com/republicans-are-wasting-their-time-with-vote
-suppression-bills/

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course, it would NEVER occur to this apparently brain-dead partisan that these measures are meant to ensure the integrity of the vote, and to obviate questions of fraud before they come up.

---

The Trumptards didn't give a goddamn about "these measures meant to ensure the integrity of the vote" until Trump lost, then the Trumptards went berserk, with hundreds of bills that they imagine will keep Trump from ever losing again in exactly the same way. Bring it on, moron Trumptards! Please nominate Trump in 2024! If he runs, HR-1 requires him to reveal his income tax returns in Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency. If he won't, the IRS will do it without Trump's permission and make the results public. Too bad, Trumptards, if your man is a tax cheat.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
^ Trumptard.

HR 1 will never pass, Trumptard.

---

Title X—Presidential and Vice Presidential Tax Transparency will pass. There will be no more tax cheaters elected President which means Mike Pence and Ted Cruz are most likely the next Republican President and Vice-President. Learn to love those two, 6ix, because Fatso can't get reelected after stealing $billions in tax money. Trump's lawyers will be in a life and death struggle to keep him from going bankrupt because of unpaid tax obligations. I hope his lawyers lose the contest before he dies so Fatso can watch all his money be taken away.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If there's one Trumptard here who doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the vote - considering how often you refuse to address the Vote Project's recommendations - that would be you.

---

It would be Trump:

Donald Trump (Unironically) Requests a Mail-In Ballot Ahead of Palm Beach Municipal Election
March 10, 2021 9:55 AM

Ever since Nov. 3, and in fact for many months before Election Day, Donald Trump railed on and on about the existential danger to democracy that mail-in voting presented. It was, of course, all self-serving hooey. Trump voted (for himself) in Florida by mail in the March 2020 presidential primary and then again in an August 2020 primary, his family routinely votes by mail, and a quarter of all American ballots cast in the 2016 election — won by Trump — were cast via the post. But Trump’s voting lies got bigger and bolder and now a significant portion of the Republican Party doesn’t trust the 2020 election result and are using this concocted suspicion to make it harder to vote in Republican-controlled states across the country. Their biggest target? Mail-in voting.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/donald-trump-requests-mail
-in-ballot-florida-palm-beach-municipal-election.html

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He's just pointing out all of your lies.

Don't worry, bruh. Nobody but JSF read them the second time either.

---

Quote:

---

HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.

---

Quote:

---

k - I read that bill a month or 2 ago. Unless it's been changed in that time, the one thing it DOESN'T have that would definitely improve the entire election process is a validation requirement and protocol, specifically, statistical study like the one highlighted by the Mitofsky Report, as a basis for closer vote examination.
It sure would be nice to be able to demonstrate there were no signs of mass cheating, and if there were, to be able to go back and conduct a good examination of when, how, and who.

---

Quote:

---

This is the bill introduced in House (01/04/2021). If you didn't see it, you were wrong again:
nothing indicating statistical evaluation of the vote as exemplified by the Mitofsky Report and strongly recommended by the Vote Project

---

Quote:

---

HR-1 mentions reports 454 times.

but nothing like the statistical evaluation exemplified by the Mitofsky report and strongly recommended bu the CalTech/ MIT Vote project.

---

Quote:

---

Not unexpected that Trumptard states have an abundance of high school dropouts.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He's just pointing out all of your lies.

Don't worry, bruh. Nobody but JSF read them the second time either.

---

JewelStaiteFan did diddly-squat. He did NOT point out lies.

---

Quote:

---

why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.

---

Quote:

---

In Texas, the zip codes with the higher percent registered voters get better services.

---

Quote:

---

It has everything to do with why Trumptards would be opposed to HR-1. They do NOT want to be pressured to provide more services to zip codes with more youngsters

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You mean the very few percent of 16 to <18 yr old non-voters who might register is going to make a substantial difference in how resources get apportioned across the country? Remember, we're talking about that very narrow demographic. Not about "under 19", or "youngsters", but that very narrow age range.

So, you got a link for that? Because if not, I'll just file this under 'more ignorable junk' from SECOND.

---

Quote:

---

The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

HR 1: Election Reform Bill

Quote:

---

HR-1 is Congress' latest attempt, strongly motivated by the messiness of the 2020 election.

---

Did they, like, time travel when they addressed elections that hadn't happened yet?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
Sponsor: Rep. Sarbanes, John P. [D-MD-3] (Introduced 01/03/2019)
Committees: House - House Administration; Intelligence (Permanent Select); Judiciary; Oversight and Reform; Science, Space, and Technology; Education and Labor; Ways and Means; Financial Services; Ethics; Homeland Security
Committee Meetings: 02/26/19 1:00PM 02/06/19 10:00AM

---

Quote:

---

The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane.

---

Quote:

---

]I will insult you and your kind some more: Sad watching the fat man blundering through his Presidency. Sad watching 75,000,000 Trumptards stumble through life.

---

Quote:

---

March 07, 2021 • Presidential Actions

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

---

The quantity of old, white Trumptards is shrinking while the quantity of young, non-white Libtards is growing. That is why the Republican Party is opposed to HR-1.

---

This is yet another logical post hoc ergo propter hoc 'fallacy'.

---

Quote:

---

Is there some important reason why Republicans don't want people to vote? There is. The GOP has introduced hundreds of bills in the state legislatures in the last 3 months to reduce the number of voters.

---

Quote:

---

These measures are being passed in reaction to provably false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, despite record numbers of audits, lawsuits, and government findings that the election was one of the most secure in American history.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

---

why stop with requiring a diploma? Go all the way and require a certain amount of wealth before you can vote.

---

This is a strawman argument, which also has nothing to do with HR 1: Election Reform Bill.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

This is an ipse dixit logical 'fallacy'.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

---

The GOP maintains a list of insane people suitable for office if enough advertising money is spent to make them look sane.

---

This is pure comedy!!

---

Quote:

---

H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1
H.R.1 - For the People Act of 2021
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1

---

Quote:

---

Shown Here:
Passed House (03/08/2019)

For the People Act of 2019

This bill addresses voter access, election integrity, election security, political spending, and ethics for the three branches of government.

---

Quote:

---

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (01/04/2021)

For the People Act of 2021

This bill addresses voter access, election integrity and security, campaign finance, and ethics for the three branches of government.

---

Quote:

---

Specifically, the bill expands voter registration and voting access and limits removing voters from voter rolls.

---

Quote:

---

Specifically, the bill expands voter registration (e.g., automatic and same-day registration) and voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting). It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.

---

Quote:

---

The bill provides for states to establish independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions.

---

Quote:

---

The bill requires states to establish independent redistricting commissions to carry out congressional redistricting.

---

Quote:

---

The bill also sets forth provisions related to election security, including sharing intelligence information with state election officials, protecting the security of the voter rolls, supporting states in securing their election systems, developing a national strategy to protect the security and integrity of U.S. democratic institutions, establishing in the legislative branch the National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions, and other provisions to improve the cybersecurity of election systems.

---

Quote:

---

Additionally, the bill sets forth provisions related to election security, including sharing intelligence information with state election officials, supporting states in securing their election systems, developing a national strategy to protect U.S. democratic institutions, establishing in the legislative branch the National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions, and other provisions to improve the cybersecurity of election systems.

---

Quote:

---

This bill addresses campaign spending, including by expanding the ban on foreign nationals contributing to or spending on elections; expanding disclosure rules pertaining to organizations spending money during elections, campaign advertisements, and online platforms; and revising disclaimer requirements for political advertising.
This bill establishes an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices. The system involves federal matching of small contributions for qualified candidates.

---

Quote:

---

Further, the bill addresses campaign finance, including by expanding the prohibition on campaign spending by foreign nationals, requiring additional disclosure of campaign-related fundraising and spending, requiring additional disclaimers regarding certain political advertising, and establishing an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices.

---

Quote:

---

This bill sets forth provisions related to ethics in all three branches of government. Specifically, the bill requires a code of ethics for federal judges and justices, prohibits Members of the House from serving on the board of a for-profit entity, expands enforcement of regulations governing foreign agents, and establishes additional conflict-of-interest and ethics provisions for federal employees and the White House.

---

Quote:

---

The bill addresses ethics in all three branches of government, including by requiring a code of conduct for Supreme Court Justices, prohibiting Members of the House from serving on the board of a for-profit entity, and establishing additional conflict-of-interest and ethics provisions for federal employees and the White House.

---

Quote:

---

The bill also requires candidates for President and Vice President to submit 10 years of tax returns.

---

Quote:

---

The bill requires the President, the Vice President, and certain candidates for those offices to disclose 10 years of tax returns.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, and BACK ON TOPIC ...

Quote:

---

90,000 Ballots in Largest Nevada County Sent to Wrong Addresses, Bounced Back: Report
By Petr Svab
March 10, 2021 Updated: March 10, 2021

More than 90,000 ballots mailed to registered voters in Nevada’s largest county were returned undeliverable, according to an analysis of the election data by a conservative legal group.

---

So, OOC, how were these envelopes "bounced back" as "undeliverable"? Was it because no such address existed?

Or did it depend on the honesty of the recipient, who dutifully noted to the mail carrier that no such person lived there, and were returned?

Because if it depended on the honesty of the recipient, it would be far too easy for someone to say "Oh, hey! A Ballot that I get to use!". And since NOBODY was validating IDs, anyone could use one.

---

Hello Signym! Nevada County, California, says in the video that: "Every vote by mail ballots is carefully checked to ensure a voter did not vote elsewhere and that the signature on the envelope matches the voter's signature in the registration record."

A voter can check into the status of their mail in ballot (mailed, returned, counted or rejected) at https://voterstatus.sos.ca.gov/

If that is not good enough for you, Signym, complain to the government in California about that.
https://mynevadacounty.com/740/Vote-By-Mail

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

For anybody who is not a moron, or is not geographically illiterate, what does Clark County, Nevada (Las Vegas Metro) have to do with Nevada County, California (Truckee, and near Sacramento)?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:
It is fallacy to believe the filibuster prevents HR-1 from passing. If Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) is willing, HR-1 passes. If not, then not.

---

Is that right?

Why isn't $15 minimum wage passed tomorrow then?

Why were progressives pushing so hard to get it into the "American Rescue Plan Act"?

---

Quote:

---

Congress should set the rules for registration and voting and they should be the same for every state. This is so obvious that it barely even needs to be defended.

---

Quote:

---

Every county in Texas has a different voting system. There is some overlap in the systems used in different counties because the clerk in one county might ask how they run elections in the four adjacent counties, but it is very nonuniform in different places and in some counties pretty damn close to chaos. I hope others states have more sensible systems, but the recounts and court cases in 2020 show that there is far too much flexibility in how each county or city can run their little piece of a national election.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.

---

NOT a Constitutional amendment: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting. Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.

Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1970
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1975
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1982
Voting Rights Language Assistance Act of 1992
Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act of 2006

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:

But based on CONSTITUTIONAL provisions.

For example, . . .

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, let' recap what SECONDRATE has posted.

However, all of the changes to the vote were made by amending the Constitution, not by simply passing a bill.

---

NOT a Constitutional amendment: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 is a landmark piece of federal legislation in the United States that prohibits racial discrimination in voting. Congress later amended the Act five times to expand its protections.

Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1970
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1975
Voting Rights Act Amendments of 1982
Voting Rights Language Assistance Act of 1992
Voting Rights Act Reauthorization and Amendments Act of 2006

Furious Republicans have been arguing that the Act is unconstitutional since it passed. Should HR-1 pass, furious Republicans will argue it, too, is unconstitutional unless the constitution is amended, but that has been the Republican argument since 1965. Losing case after case never changes Republican certainty about the complete unconstitutional of the Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965#Constitutional
ity

As expected, Republicans have taken several other voting laws to court in order to get those declared unconstitutional:

Help America Vote Act (HAVA)
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA)
Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA)

Republicans won about as many cases involving voting acts as Trump won cases to get himself declared the winner in 2020, but the Republicans keep trying to overthrow everything as unconstitutional.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Are you trying to set records for the number of lies in a single post?

Too many to recount.

Some:
VRA 1965 was specifically authorized by the Enforcement Clause of the 15th Amendment to The Constitution (meaning Part Of The Constitution).
It expired after 5 years, necessitating 1970 to continue enforcement, which also expired in 5 years. Thus 1975, which expired in 7 years, and 1982, for 25 years.

As with all of the Civil Rights Acts, and Voting Rights Acts (Blacks, former Slaves, Women, etc), Congress could not pass any of them until enough Republicans were elected to Congress to overcome the Democrap chokehold on common sense Rights. Before passage, VRA was informally known as the Dirksenbach Act (Dirksen was R-IL.)
VRA was very specifically purposed to cease Dixiecrat Libtard Democrats practices and policies, continuing since 1957.

Rights are always a Republican and conservative victory, always a Libtard Democrap Socialist Progressive Marxist defeat.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO and I were discussing the harmful effect of political parties on government.

ONE way to reduce the influence of political parties is to have the President and Vice President run separately. That would increase the chances that they might be of different parties.

---

Quote:

---

JO and I were discussing the harmful effect of political parties on government.
ONE way to reduce the influence of political parties is to have the President and Vice President run separately. That would increase the chances that they might be of different parties.

SECONDRATE: Look at the present. Would it be good if Mike Pence was Vice-President right now, rather than Kamala Harris?

---

Quote:

---

Harris was the tie-breaking vote for passing the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021. No Republicans voted for that bill and I think I can safely assume that if Mike Pence was Biden's V.P., Pence would not have voted for the bill. By the way, Republican voters don't hate that bill; only Republican politicians hate it because it is a Democrat's bill.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1319/actions

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The ONLY reason why you don't like the idea is bc, in this term, it might mean a GOP VP to a Dem President.

But next time around, it might mean a Dem VP to a GOP President.

I think that would FORCE Congress to write bills that are acceptable to BOTH parties, rather thn steamrolling bills along partisan lines. It's what the FF envisioned.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
If a nation is so polarized and more or less evenly divided, sometimes standing still is the best thing to do. ** HR-1 is Unconstitutional. And America should stand still, by which I mean do nothing, on coal burning, Covid-19, gun control. **

But even tho there may be extreme divisions on a few ideas, there are still large area of agreement.

With rare exceptions, everyone needs the same things:
Good food to eat. ** Americans are overweight and under exercised **
A safe place to live and sleep. ** If you can't pay the rent, you don't deserve sleep and I certainly don't want cheaper or free housing built in my neighborhood with my taxes **
Agency over their individual and collective futures. ** Tell that to criminals **
Care for the very young, the sick, disabled, and the elderly. ** Your blood relatives are your problem, not my problem **
A clean environment to live in. ** I'm not paying to clean your air **


Nobody likes corruption. ** I'm not corrupt; I just don't want to pay taxes **
We almost all need meaningful jobs at living wages. ** $15/hour destroys jobs and start your own business if you want a meaningful job **
We can end our endless wars THIS YEAR. ** America can't appear to be too weak and frightened to fight any enemy anywhere **

---