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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:01 PM

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khash
oggi.html


Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells

President Donald Trump has been bending and breaking laws all of his life. Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer, stated under oath that Trump directed him to violate federal campaign finance law; the state of New York has evidence that Trump and his family have been cheating on their taxes for years; the Trump family’s “persistently illegal conduct” and “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions” have led the New York attorney general to file a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. The list goes on.

Trump is open about his disdain for law. In April, he told an audience in Michigan that “our laws are so corrupt and stupid.”

Trump is also clear about why he is breaking these laws. The entire point of Trump’s campaign to “Make America Great Again” is to lead us back to a time before the civil rights movement, before laws against insider trading, before the New Deal and federal agencies that regulate the commerce of plutocrats. This was an era of white male supremacy. The rich paid no income taxes and there was no minimum wage, so the wealthy lived like royalty. His thinking is akin to the way past activists viewed sit-down strikes. Like these past civil dissenters, Trump views himself as breaking the laws that he doesn’t believe should exist, which includes most of the laws and regulations put in place since the 1930s.

Indeed, instead of preparing a traditional legal defense, Trump is confounding legal observers by doing things that, by all objective standards, should make matters worse. He obstructs justice openly. In fact, in vowing to “fight back” against the Mueller investigation, he announced his intention to continue obstructing the probe. He also continually changes his story. First, he denies everything (“I have nothing to do with Russia”), then he says there would be nothing wrong if he had accepted help from Russia.

Obviously, a person who keeps changing his story is not a credible witness. Moreover, you can’t devise a legal defense while you are committing crimes, and Trump’s continuing efforts to obstruct justice suggest ongoing criminal behavior.

It’s easy to conclude that Trump has lost his mind and his lawyers are asleep at the switch. In fact, there’s a method to what appears to be Trump’s madness: The president intends to beat Mueller and his would-be interlocutors in Congress by torpedoing factuality and the rule of law itself.


Trump is open about his disdain for law.
Robert O. Paxton, in his classic work The Anatomy of Fascism, defines a cult of leadership as one in which the followers believe the leader’s instincts are better than the logic used by elites. The followers are willing to give up their individuality and freedom in exchange for the leader’s “protection.” And what is Trump protecting his followers from? Scholars Karen Stenner and Jonathan Haidt offer an explanation. In their essay “Authoritarianism Is Not a Momentary Madness but an Eternal Dynamic Within Liberal Democracies,” Stenner and Haidt describe the psychology behind the fervor of the embrace of authoritarians. A certain percentage of the population has “bias against different others” including racial and other minority out-groups. The authoritarian leader stokes their fears, creating a normative threat. These people then turn to the leader as something of a savior. The leader embraces the mythic destiny of the nation. He doesn’t follow laws. He is the law.

When Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump’s lies by arguing that his false statements actually point to something true, she offered an explanation for why Trump supporters embrace transparent lies. “President Obama was born in Africa,” for example, is a provable lie, but it points toward what to Trump’s supporters see as a deeper truth: President Obama is black, and therefore, isn’t really a real American.

Sanders’ argument is psychologically sound. Scholars Oliver Hahl, Minjae Kim, and Ezra W. Zickerman Sivan, in “The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue,” explain that those who want to destroy the “political establishment” willingly embrace a liar because they understand that the lies themselves serve a destructive purpose. The people who want to destroy the political establishment today are those who are threatened by growing diversity. Trump’s lies work toward that end.

In a totalitarian regime, state-controlled media normalizes the leader’s constantly changing stories, which serves to further obliterate any notion of a shared truth. Trump’s favorite news outlets similarly normalize his changing stories, thereby undermining factuality. When people can no longer sort out what is factual and what was invented, they conclude that the truth is unknowable. It’s the ultimate in relativism and skepticism. Without facts and a shared reality, jury verdicts have no meaning, and the results of law enforcement investigations are easily manipulated or even dismissed.

Look at what happened when Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court was nearly derailed by credible accusations of sexual assault. While the confirmation was in doubt, Trump protested that Kavanaugh was “innocent until proven guilty.” He then ordered an extremely limited investigation of the charges that interviewed a small number of witnesses and didn’t even speak with the accuser or the alleged culprit. Ultimately, he falsely declared that Kavanaugh had been “proven innocent” by the whole charade. This false fact—Kavanaugh was exonerated—now becomes reality to all of his followers.

The same exact dynamic is playing out with the apparent murder by Saudi Arabia of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump has applied the “innocent until proven guilty” notion to the Saudi state, even directly comparing the case to Kavanaugh’s. Despite the reported audio evidence of Khashoggi’s brutal dismemberment at the hands of Saudi officials, physical evidence of an attempted cover-up, and the plain fact that Khashoggi entered a Saudi Consulate never to be seen again, Trump is treating the case as a stone-cold whodunit. Don’t be surprised when, in spite of all this evidence, whatever cover story is eventually manufactured for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, or any other probable culprits, is ultimately accepted as fact by Trump and then by his followers. Once again, the lie will then become the fact.

Steve Bannon explained a broader administration strategy for dispensing with facts. “The real opposition is the media,” he has said. “And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Yale professor Timothy Snyder, in his groundbreaking book The Road to Unfreedom, explains in detail how leaders like Vladimir Putin and Trump undermine factuality by flooding the zone in this way. Putin dominates Russia by propagating grand lies that take the entire society off balance. For example, when Ukrainians protested against Putin’s puppet ruler, Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s press reported that the protesters were organized by an LGBTQ group attempting a “homodictatorship.” Enough people believe the lie—or pretend to believe the lie—that a shared reality becomes impossible.

Part of Trump’s defense against his various investigatory pursuers is to persuade his followers that all politicians are corrupt liars, which is one reason the “Lock her up” chant has been so devastating. If people believe all politicians are corrupt, going after Trump becomes political persecution, or a “witch hunt.”

Trump’s final aim isn’t simply to escape accountability for his crimes. The final aim is to replace democracy itself with a form of autocracy, under which he and his cronies are forever unaccountable for criminal actions. Normalizing lies and flooding the zone shatters the public sphere upon which democracy depends. Without that shared reality, Mueller poses no threat to Trump. Similarly, without a shared public sphere, Trump doesn’t have to worry about resistance. As Yale professor Jason Stanley says, without truth it is impossible to speak truth to power, so there is only power.

The United States is on a steep learning curve. Because truth, factuality, and our very public sphere are under attack, our democracy (and republic) is in danger. The attack is devastatingly effective, partly because we have never experienced anything like this and thus are largely unprepared. Our task now is to save our public sphere. The way to do this was demonstrated by how the Chileans got out of the far more extreme Pinochet regime and reinstated democracy: All sides opposed to authoritarianism and committed to democracy worked together. That means they started actually talking, and listening, to one another. In the United States, this would mean that all groups that claim to be committed to continuing our democratic republic, from supporters of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Never Trump Republicans, would need to join forces. We will likely soon find out if the nation is up to the task.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:17 PM

REAVERFAN


They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close.



4 more years should do it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close.



4 more years should do it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



Is that one reich every 2 years, or do we start counting reichs when Trump's 2nd term starts?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 9:04 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close.



4 more years should do it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall



Is that one reich every 2 years, or do we start counting reichs when Trump's 2nd term starts?

Do Right, Be Right. :)


A reich a day keeps herr doktor away.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2019 9:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khash
oggi.html


Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells

President Donald Trump has been bending and breaking laws all of his life. Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer, stated under oath that Trump directed him to violate federal campaign finance law; the state of New York has evidence that Trump and his family have been cheating on their taxes for years; the Trump family’s “persistently illegal conduct” and “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions” have led the New York attorney general to file a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. The list goes on.

Trump is open about his disdain for law. In April, he told an audience in Michigan that “our laws are so corrupt and stupid.”

Trump is also clear about why he is breaking these laws. The entire point of Trump’s campaign to “Make America Great Again” is to lead us back to a time before the civil rights movement, before laws against insider trading, before the New Deal and federal agencies that regulate the commerce of plutocrats. This was an era of white male supremacy. The rich paid no income taxes and there was no minimum wage, so the wealthy lived like royalty. His thinking is akin to the way past activists viewed sit-down strikes. Like these past civil dissenters, Trump views himself as breaking the laws that he doesn’t believe should exist, which includes most of the laws and regulations put in place since the 1930s.

Indeed, instead of preparing a traditional legal defense, Trump is confounding legal observers by doing things that, by all objective standards, should make matters worse. He obstructs justice openly. In fact, in vowing to “fight back” against the Mueller investigation, he announced his intention to continue obstructing the probe. He also continually changes his story. First, he denies everything (“I have nothing to do with Russia”), then he says there would be nothing wrong if he had accepted help from Russia.

Obviously, a person who keeps changing his story is not a credible witness. Moreover, you can’t devise a legal defense while you are committing crimes, and Trump’s continuing efforts to obstruct justice suggest ongoing criminal behavior.

It’s easy to conclude that Trump has lost his mind and his lawyers are asleep at the switch. In fact, there’s a method to what appears to be Trump’s madness: The president intends to beat Mueller and his would-be interlocutors in Congress by torpedoing factuality and the rule of law itself.


Trump is open about his disdain for law.
Robert O. Paxton, in his classic work The Anatomy of Fascism, defines a cult of leadership as one in which the followers believe the leader’s instincts are better than the logic used by elites. The followers are willing to give up their individuality and freedom in exchange for the leader’s “protection.” And what is Trump protecting his followers from? Scholars Karen Stenner and Jonathan Haidt offer an explanation. In their essay “Authoritarianism Is Not a Momentary Madness but an Eternal Dynamic Within Liberal Democracies,” Stenner and Haidt describe the psychology behind the fervor of the embrace of authoritarians. A certain percentage of the population has “bias against different others” including racial and other minority out-groups. The authoritarian leader stokes their fears, creating a normative threat. These people then turn to the leader as something of a savior. The leader embraces the mythic destiny of the nation. He doesn’t follow laws. He is the law.

When Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump’s lies by arguing that his false statements actually point to something true, she offered an explanation for why Trump supporters embrace transparent lies. “President Obama was born in Africa,” for example, is a provable lie, but it points toward what to Trump’s supporters see as a deeper truth: President Obama is black, and therefore, isn’t really a real American.

Sanders’ argument is psychologically sound. Scholars Oliver Hahl, Minjae Kim, and Ezra W. Zickerman Sivan, in “The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue,” explain that those who want to destroy the “political establishment” willingly embrace a liar because they understand that the lies themselves serve a destructive purpose. The people who want to destroy the political establishment today are those who are threatened by growing diversity. Trump’s lies work toward that end.

In a totalitarian regime, state-controlled media normalizes the leader’s constantly changing stories, which serves to further obliterate any notion of a shared truth. Trump’s favorite news outlets similarly normalize his changing stories, thereby undermining factuality. When people can no longer sort out what is factual and what was invented, they conclude that the truth is unknowable. It’s the ultimate in relativism and skepticism. Without facts and a shared reality, jury verdicts have no meaning, and the results of law enforcement investigations are easily manipulated or even dismissed.

Look at what happened when Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court was nearly derailed by credible accusations of sexual assault. While the confirmation was in doubt, Trump protested that Kavanaugh was “innocent until proven guilty.” He then ordered an extremely limited investigation of the charges that interviewed a small number of witnesses and didn’t even speak with the accuser or the alleged culprit. Ultimately, he falsely declared that Kavanaugh had been “proven innocent” by the whole charade. This false fact—Kavanaugh was exonerated—now becomes reality to all of his followers.

The same exact dynamic is playing out with the apparent murder by Saudi Arabia of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump has applied the “innocent until proven guilty” notion to the Saudi state, even directly comparing the case to Kavanaugh’s. Despite the reported audio evidence of Khashoggi’s brutal dismemberment at the hands of Saudi officials, physical evidence of an attempted cover-up, and the plain fact that Khashoggi entered a Saudi Consulate never to be seen again, Trump is treating the case as a stone-cold whodunit. Don’t be surprised when, in spite of all this evidence, whatever cover story is eventually manufactured for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, or any other probable culprits, is ultimately accepted as fact by Trump and then by his followers. Once again, the lie will then become the fact.

Steve Bannon explained a broader administration strategy for dispensing with facts. “The real opposition is the media,” he has said. “And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Yale professor Timothy Snyder, in his groundbreaking book The Road to Unfreedom, explains in detail how leaders like Vladimir Putin and Trump undermine factuality by flooding the zone in this way. Putin dominates Russia by propagating grand lies that take the entire society off balance. For example, when Ukrainians protested against Putin’s puppet ruler, Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s press reported that the protesters were organized by an LGBTQ group attempting a “homodictatorship.” Enough people believe the lie—or pretend to believe the lie—that a shared reality becomes impossible.

Part of Trump’s defense against his various investigatory pursuers is to persuade his followers that all politicians are corrupt liars, which is one reason the “Lock her up” chant has been so devastating. If people believe all politicians are corrupt, going after Trump becomes political persecution, or a “witch hunt.”

Trump’s final aim isn’t simply to escape accountability for his crimes. The final aim is to replace democracy itself with a form of autocracy, under which he and his cronies are forever unaccountable for criminal actions. Normalizing lies and flooding the zone shatters the public sphere upon which democracy depends. Without that shared reality, Mueller poses no threat to Trump. Similarly, without a shared public sphere, Trump doesn’t have to worry about resistance. As Yale professor Jason Stanley says, without truth it is impossible to speak truth to power, so there is only power.

The United States is on a steep learning curve. Because truth, factuality, and our very public sphere are under attack, our democracy (and republic) is in danger. The attack is devastatingly effective, partly because we have never experienced anything like this and thus are largely unprepared. Our task now is to save our public sphere. The way to do this was demonstrated by how the Chileans got out of the far more extreme Pinochet regime and reinstated democracy: All sides opposed to authoritarianism and committed to democracy worked together. That means they started actually talking, and listening, to one another. In the United States, this would mean that all groups that claim to be committed to continuing our democratic republic, from supporters of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Never Trump Republicans, would need to join forces. We will likely soon find out if the nation is up to the task.

Your post doesn't support your premise.
Why would they believe any lie?

Plus, America and Truth and Facts have been under attack for decades - from Democraps and other Liberals.

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Thursday, April 25, 2019 12:39 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


Plus, America and Truth and Facts have been under attack for decades - from Democraps and other Liberals.



Wow, that was a zinger...That took a full day for him to come up with and type.


I'd actually LOVE to hear this one...
Which truth and facts, knuckle-dragger??

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Friday, April 26, 2019 4:52 PM

WISHIMAY


Still waiting...

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Friday, April 26, 2019 5:59 PM

WISHIMAY


Really good article on this topic. Highlights.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201609/the
-psychology-behind-donald-trumps-unwavering-support



Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning wrote in an op-ed for Politico, “The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment.” Essentially, they’re not smart enough to realize they’re dumb.

4. High Attentional Engagement

According to a recent study that monitored brain activity while participants watched 40 minutes of political ads and debate clips from the presidential candidates, Donald Trump is unique in his ability to keep the brain engaged. While Hillary Clinton could only hold attention for so long, Trump kept both attention and emotional arousal high throughout the viewing session. This pattern of activity was seen even when Trump made remarks that individuals didn’t necessarily agree with. His showmanship and simple messages clearly resonate at a visceral level.

Essentially, the loyalty of Trump supporters may in part be explained by America’s addiction with entertainment and reality TV. To some, it doesn’t matter what Trump actually says because he’s so amusing to watch. With Donald, you are always left wondering what outrageous thing he is going to say or do next. He keeps us on the edge of our seat, and for that reason, some Trump supporters will forgive anything he says. They are happy as long as they are kept entertained.

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Friday, April 26, 2019 6:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


*reads thread topic*

*ignores every post *

* leaves this *

The US economy is growing much stronger than expected

The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/economy-grows-32percent-in-fir
st-quarter-gdp-shows-much-stronger-than-anticipated/ar-BBWjOzA?OCID=ansmsnnews11



* Is done here. Off to enjoy weekend *


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Friday, April 26, 2019 11:03 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


The US economy is growing much stronger than expected

The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.




That's all you got, huh? Economy is doing slightly better than expected????? Even a broken clock...
You hold onto that one thing for dear life now. Hope it keeps you warm when he crashes and burns out like we ALL know he's gonna.

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Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:28 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

The US economy is growing much stronger than expected

The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.

Trump cannot take credit for 3.2%:

Growth in consumer spending, which accounts for more than two-thirds of US economic activity, was weak, growing by just 1.2% from the previous 2.5%. Business investment slowed sharply, rising at only at a 0.2% rate, the slowest since the third quarter of 2016.

Figures from the Department of Commerce showed that a jump in hoarding raw materials and finished goods and an increase in government investment overcame weak consumer spending, a drop in housebuilding and low business investment to send GDP growth well ahead of the 2.2% in the last quarter of 2018.

Exports, which have proved volatile in recent quarters in response to threats of a trade war between the US and China, surged and imports declined to add 1.03 percentage points to GDP after being neutral in the fourth quarter.

The Federal Reserve has put interest rate hikes on hold.

In January, the US central bank suspended its three-year push to tighten monetary policy, saying it would “pause” further rate hikes this year. The Fed increased borrowing costs four times to a range of 2.25 to 2.5% in 2018, well above the level of base rates for most other major economies.

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/26/us-economic-growth-stronger-t
han-expected-despite-weak-demand


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm not buying any good news on the economy.

It might be somewhat better than it was during the Obama administration, but that's not saying ANYTHING at all.

We've seen 20 years straight now of a steady decline in the standard of living for working class Americans.

A slight and meaningless uptick here or there, catalyzed by only the shadow government knows what, doesn't mean a damn thing for those that remember how good the late 90's were.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 27, 2019 8:59 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
*reads thread topic*

*ignores every post *

* leaves this *

The US economy is growing much stronger than expected

The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/economy-grows-32percent-in-fir
st-quarter-gdp-shows-much-stronger-than-anticipated/ar-BBWjOzA?OCID=ansmsnnews11



* Is done here. Off to enjoy weekend *

The 2nd Quarter of the FY has been the low point of the year cycles, and this one was surprisingly high, closer to 2018 than to 2017. All 3 of these Trump Q2s are higher than all but 2 of Obamanomics' 8 Q2s.
Still high enough to post a $1 T growth through 4 Quarters, which Obama NEVER did.
Yes, the Legacy of Obamanomics will haunt Libtards for a long time to come.

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Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:02 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khash
oggi.html


Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells

President Donald Trump has been bending and breaking laws all of his life. Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer, stated under oath that Trump directed him to violate federal campaign finance law; the state of New York has evidence that Trump and his family have been cheating on their taxes for years; the Trump family’s “persistently illegal conduct” and “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions” have led the New York attorney general to file a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. The list goes on.

Trump is open about his disdain for law. In April, he told an audience in Michigan that “our laws are so corrupt and stupid.”

Trump is also clear about why he is breaking these laws. The entire point of Trump’s campaign to “Make America Great Again” is to lead us back to a time before the civil rights movement, before laws against insider trading, before the New Deal and federal agencies that regulate the commerce of plutocrats. This was an era of white male supremacy. The rich paid no income taxes and there was no minimum wage, so the wealthy lived like royalty. His thinking is akin to the way past activists viewed sit-down strikes. Like these past civil dissenters, Trump views himself as breaking the laws that he doesn’t believe should exist, which includes most of the laws and regulations put in place since the 1930s.

Indeed, instead of preparing a traditional legal defense, Trump is confounding legal observers by doing things that, by all objective standards, should make matters worse. He obstructs justice openly. In fact, in vowing to “fight back” against the Mueller investigation, he announced his intention to continue obstructing the probe. He also continually changes his story. First, he denies everything (“I have nothing to do with Russia”), then he says there would be nothing wrong if he had accepted help from Russia.

Obviously, a person who keeps changing his story is not a credible witness. Moreover, you can’t devise a legal defense while you are committing crimes, and Trump’s continuing efforts to obstruct justice suggest ongoing criminal behavior.

It’s easy to conclude that Trump has lost his mind and his lawyers are asleep at the switch. In fact, there’s a method to what appears to be Trump’s madness: The president intends to beat Mueller and his would-be interlocutors in Congress by torpedoing factuality and the rule of law itself.


Trump is open about his disdain for law.
Robert O. Paxton, in his classic work The Anatomy of Fascism, defines a cult of leadership as one in which the followers believe the leader’s instincts are better than the logic used by elites. The followers are willing to give up their individuality and freedom in exchange for the leader’s “protection.” And what is Trump protecting his followers from? Scholars Karen Stenner and Jonathan Haidt offer an explanation. In their essay “Authoritarianism Is Not a Momentary Madness but an Eternal Dynamic Within Liberal Democracies,” Stenner and Haidt describe the psychology behind the fervor of the embrace of authoritarians. A certain percentage of the population has “bias against different others” including racial and other minority out-groups. The authoritarian leader stokes their fears, creating a normative threat. These people then turn to the leader as something of a savior. The leader embraces the mythic destiny of the nation. He doesn’t follow laws. He is the law.

When Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump’s lies by arguing that his false statements actually point to something true, she offered an explanation for why Trump supporters embrace transparent lies. “President Obama was born in Africa,” for example, is a provable lie, but it points toward what to Trump’s supporters see as a deeper truth: President Obama is black, and therefore, isn’t really a real American.

Sanders’ argument is psychologically sound. Scholars Oliver Hahl, Minjae Kim, and Ezra W. Zickerman Sivan, in “The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue,” explain that those who want to destroy the “political establishment” willingly embrace a liar because they understand that the lies themselves serve a destructive purpose. The people who want to destroy the political establishment today are those who are threatened by growing diversity. Trump’s lies work toward that end.

In a totalitarian regime, state-controlled media normalizes the leader’s constantly changing stories, which serves to further obliterate any notion of a shared truth. Trump’s favorite news outlets similarly normalize his changing stories, thereby undermining factuality. When people can no longer sort out what is factual and what was invented, they conclude that the truth is unknowable. It’s the ultimate in relativism and skepticism. Without facts and a shared reality, jury verdicts have no meaning, and the results of law enforcement investigations are easily manipulated or even dismissed.

Look at what happened when Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court was nearly derailed by credible accusations of sexual assault. While the confirmation was in doubt, Trump protested that Kavanaugh was “innocent until proven guilty.” He then ordered an extremely limited investigation of the charges that interviewed a small number of witnesses and didn’t even speak with the accuser or the alleged culprit. Ultimately, he falsely declared that Kavanaugh had been “proven innocent” by the whole charade. This false fact—Kavanaugh was exonerated—now becomes reality to all of his followers.

The same exact dynamic is playing out with the apparent murder by Saudi Arabia of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump has applied the “innocent until proven guilty” notion to the Saudi state, even directly comparing the case to Kavanaugh’s. Despite the reported audio evidence of Khashoggi’s brutal dismemberment at the hands of Saudi officials, physical evidence of an attempted cover-up, and the plain fact that Khashoggi entered a Saudi Consulate never to be seen again, Trump is treating the case as a stone-cold whodunit. Don’t be surprised when, in spite of all this evidence, whatever cover story is eventually manufactured for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, or any other probable culprits, is ultimately accepted as fact by Trump and then by his followers. Once again, the lie will then become the fact.

Steve Bannon explained a broader administration strategy for dispensing with facts. “The real opposition is the media,” he has said. “And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Yale professor Timothy Snyder, in his groundbreaking book The Road to Unfreedom, explains in detail how leaders like Vladimir Putin and Trump undermine factuality by flooding the zone in this way. Putin dominates Russia by propagating grand lies that take the entire society off balance. For example, when Ukrainians protested against Putin’s puppet ruler, Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s press reported that the protesters were organized by an LGBTQ group attempting a “homodictatorship.” Enough people believe the lie—or pretend to believe the lie—that a shared reality becomes impossible.

Part of Trump’s defense against his various investigatory pursuers is to persuade his followers that all politicians are corrupt liars, which is one reason the “Lock her up” chant has been so devastating. If people believe all politicians are corrupt, going after Trump becomes political persecution, or a “witch hunt.”

Trump’s final aim isn’t simply to escape accountability for his crimes. The final aim is to replace democracy itself with a form of autocracy, under which he and his cronies are forever unaccountable for criminal actions. Normalizing lies and flooding the zone shatters the public sphere upon which democracy depends. Without that shared reality, Mueller poses no threat to Trump. Similarly, without a shared public sphere, Trump doesn’t have to worry about resistance. As Yale professor Jason Stanley says, without truth it is impossible to speak truth to power, so there is only power.

The United States is on a steep learning curve. Because truth, factuality, and our very public sphere are under attack, our democracy (and republic) is in danger. The attack is devastatingly effective, partly because we have never experienced anything like this and thus are largely unprepared. Our task now is to save our public sphere. The way to do this was demonstrated by how the Chileans got out of the far more extreme Pinochet regime and reinstated democracy: All sides opposed to authoritarianism and committed to democracy worked together. That means they started actually talking, and listening, to one another. In the United States, this would mean that all groups that claim to be committed to continuing our democratic republic, from supporters of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Never Trump Republicans, would need to join forces. We will likely soon find out if the nation is up to the task.



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Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:49 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

The 2nd Quarter of the FY has been the low point of the year cycles, and this one was surprisingly high, closer to 2018 than to 2017. All 3 of these Trump Q2s are higher than all but 2 of Obamanomics' 8 Q2s.
Still high enough to post a $1 T growth through 4 Quarters, which Obama NEVER did.
Yes, the Legacy of Obamanomics will haunt Libtards for a long time to come.

The second quarter of 2019 was 2.1%, Updated: Jul 26, 2019, which is nothing special, no matter how loudly Trump voters crow about it and give all credit exclusively to Trump.

As you can see from the graph, below, Obama had better and worse quarters, yet he couldn't truthfully take all the credit or blame, which is completely unlike either Trump's normal boasting or blame-shifting to the Federal Reserve Bank, depending on what the most recent percent is.

Real Gross Domestic Product - Percent Change from Preceding Period, Seasonally Adjusted Annual Rate, Frequency: Quarterly
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=mTc9


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:52 AM

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I believed Trump about the economy when he was calling out the Obama Administration, the Democrats and the MSM for lying about how good it was before he was president.

I stopped believing Trump about the economy when he started lying about how good it was when he was president.



I have a long post history here regarding that, debunking the OP.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khash
oggi.html


Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells

President Donald Trump has been bending and breaking laws all of his life. Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer, stated under oath that Trump directed him to violate federal campaign finance law; the state of New York has evidence that Trump and his family have been cheating on their taxes for years; the Trump family’s “persistently illegal conduct” and “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions” have led the New York attorney general to file a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. The list goes on.

Trump is open about his disdain for law. In April, he told an audience in Michigan that “our laws are so corrupt and stupid.”

Trump is also clear about why he is breaking these laws. The entire point of Trump’s campaign to “Make America Great Again” is to lead us back to a time before the civil rights movement, before laws against insider trading, before the New Deal and federal agencies that regulate the commerce of plutocrats. This was an era of white male supremacy. The rich paid no income taxes and there was no minimum wage, so the wealthy lived like royalty. His thinking is akin to the way past activists viewed sit-down strikes. Like these past civil dissenters, Trump views himself as breaking the laws that he doesn’t believe should exist, which includes most of the laws and regulations put in place since the 1930s.

Indeed, instead of preparing a traditional legal defense, Trump is confounding legal observers by doing things that, by all objective standards, should make matters worse. He obstructs justice openly. In fact, in vowing to “fight back” against the Mueller investigation, he announced his intention to continue obstructing the probe. He also continually changes his story. First, he denies everything (“I have nothing to do with Russia”), then he says there would be nothing wrong if he had accepted help from Russia.

Obviously, a person who keeps changing his story is not a credible witness. Moreover, you can’t devise a legal defense while you are committing crimes, and Trump’s continuing efforts to obstruct justice suggest ongoing criminal behavior.

It’s easy to conclude that Trump has lost his mind and his lawyers are asleep at the switch. In fact, there’s a method to what appears to be Trump’s madness: The president intends to beat Mueller and his would-be interlocutors in Congress by torpedoing factuality and the rule of law itself.


Trump is open about his disdain for law.
Robert O. Paxton, in his classic work The Anatomy of Fascism, defines a cult of leadership as one in which the followers believe the leader’s instincts are better than the logic used by elites. The followers are willing to give up their individuality and freedom in exchange for the leader’s “protection.” And what is Trump protecting his followers from? Scholars Karen Stenner and Jonathan Haidt offer an explanation. In their essay “Authoritarianism Is Not a Momentary Madness but an Eternal Dynamic Within Liberal Democracies,” Stenner and Haidt describe the psychology behind the fervor of the embrace of authoritarians. A certain percentage of the population has “bias against different others” including racial and other minority out-groups. The authoritarian leader stokes their fears, creating a normative threat. These people then turn to the leader as something of a savior. The leader embraces the mythic destiny of the nation. He doesn’t follow laws. He is the law.

When Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump’s lies by arguing that his false statements actually point to something true, she offered an explanation for why Trump supporters embrace transparent lies. “President Obama was born in Africa,” for example, is a provable lie, but it points toward what to Trump’s supporters see as a deeper truth: President Obama is black, and therefore, isn’t really a real American.

Sanders’ argument is psychologically sound. Scholars Oliver Hahl, Minjae Kim, and Ezra W. Zickerman Sivan, in “The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue,” explain that those who want to destroy the “political establishment” willingly embrace a liar because they understand that the lies themselves serve a destructive purpose. The people who want to destroy the political establishment today are those who are threatened by growing diversity. Trump’s lies work toward that end.

In a totalitarian regime, state-controlled media normalizes the leader’s constantly changing stories, which serves to further obliterate any notion of a shared truth. Trump’s favorite news outlets similarly normalize his changing stories, thereby undermining factuality. When people can no longer sort out what is factual and what was invented, they conclude that the truth is unknowable. It’s the ultimate in relativism and skepticism. Without facts and a shared reality, jury verdicts have no meaning, and the results of law enforcement investigations are easily manipulated or even dismissed.

Look at what happened when Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court was nearly derailed by credible accusations of sexual assault. While the confirmation was in doubt, Trump protested that Kavanaugh was “innocent until proven guilty.” He then ordered an extremely limited investigation of the charges that interviewed a small number of witnesses and didn’t even speak with the accuser or the alleged culprit. Ultimately, he falsely declared that Kavanaugh had been “proven innocent” by the whole charade. This false fact—Kavanaugh was exonerated—now becomes reality to all of his followers.

The same exact dynamic is playing out with the apparent murder by Saudi Arabia of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump has applied the “innocent until proven guilty” notion to the Saudi state, even directly comparing the case to Kavanaugh’s. Despite the reported audio evidence of Khashoggi’s brutal dismemberment at the hands of Saudi officials, physical evidence of an attempted cover-up, and the plain fact that Khashoggi entered a Saudi Consulate never to be seen again, Trump is treating the case as a stone-cold whodunit. Don’t be surprised when, in spite of all this evidence, whatever cover story is eventually manufactured for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, or any other probable culprits, is ultimately accepted as fact by Trump and then by his followers. Once again, the lie will then become the fact.

Steve Bannon explained a broader administration strategy for dispensing with facts. “The real opposition is the media,” he has said. “And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Yale professor Timothy Snyder, in his groundbreaking book The Road to Unfreedom, explains in detail how leaders like Vladimir Putin and Trump undermine factuality by flooding the zone in this way. Putin dominates Russia by propagating grand lies that take the entire society off balance. For example, when Ukrainians protested against Putin’s puppet ruler, Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s press reported that the protesters were organized by an LGBTQ group attempting a “homodictatorship.” Enough people believe the lie—or pretend to believe the lie—that a shared reality becomes impossible.

Part of Trump’s defense against his various investigatory pursuers is to persuade his followers that all politicians are corrupt liars, which is one reason the “Lock her up” chant has been so devastating. If people believe all politicians are corrupt, going after Trump becomes political persecution, or a “witch hunt.”

Trump’s final aim isn’t simply to escape accountability for his crimes. The final aim is to replace democracy itself with a form of autocracy, under which he and his cronies are forever unaccountable for criminal actions. Normalizing lies and flooding the zone shatters the public sphere upon which democracy depends. Without that shared reality, Mueller poses no threat to Trump. Similarly, without a shared public sphere, Trump doesn’t have to worry about resistance. As Yale professor Jason Stanley says, without truth it is impossible to speak truth to power, so there is only power.

The United States is on a steep learning curve. Because truth, factuality, and our very public sphere are under attack, our democracy (and republic) is in danger. The attack is devastatingly effective, partly because we have never experienced anything like this and thus are largely unprepared. Our task now is to save our public sphere. The way to do this was demonstrated by how the Chileans got out of the far more extreme Pinochet regime and reinstated democracy: All sides opposed to authoritarianism and committed to democracy worked together. That means they started actually talking, and listening, to one another. In the United States, this would mean that all groups that claim to be committed to continuing our democratic republic, from supporters of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Never Trump Republicans, would need to join forces. We will likely soon find out if the nation is up to the task.




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Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM

THG


Everybody Trump pardons can no longer count on being pardon again. And, if they go before a grand jury and are asked about what they lied about before, and lie again, that is a brand new federal offence they can be charged with.

The alternative now to cover their asses is to rat.

tick tock

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Saturday, January 9, 2021 2:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
*reads thread topic*

*ignores every post *

* leaves this *

The US economy is growing much stronger than expected

The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/economy-grows-32percent-in-fir
st-quarter-gdp-shows-much-stronger-than-anticipated/ar-BBWjOzA?OCID=ansmsnnews11



* Is done here. Off to enjoy weekend *




And now? How's the economy now? How's the state of our union now? Lost anyone to covid? Are you lost because of covid?

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Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Stupid title ASSUMES that Trump supporters believe even half of what he says, let alone "any lie".

Unless it is thrust upon me by the globalibs here, I don't pay attention to anything Trump tweets,

Just as I learned to stop paying attention to Obama's pious treacle (which he violated at every possible oppty) and

GWB's "smoke 'em out" "dead or alive' "Iraq WMD", (bullshit warmongering lies) and

Clinton's "I feel your pain" (as he screwed us in the ass)

Or Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Or even Reagan's "morning in America again"

Since when does ANYONE expect a politician to tell the truth?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

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Saturday, January 9, 2021 11:21 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stupid title...hits it right on my empty head, so I have to pretend to protest months later



FIFY





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Saturday, January 9, 2021 11:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stupid title ASSUMES that Trump supporters believe even half of what he says, let alone "any lie".

Unless it is thrust upon me by the globalibs here, I don't pay attention to anything Trump tweets,

Just as I learned to stop paying attention to Obama's pious treacle (which he violated at every possible oppty) and

GWB's "smoke 'em out" "dead or alive' "Iraq WMD", (bullshit warmongering lies) and

Clinton's "I feel your pain" (as he screwed us in the ass)

Or Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Or even Reagan's "morning in America again"

Since when does ANYONE expect a politician to tell the truth?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK





Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000.

We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:29 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000.

We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.




You could fucking *GOOGLE IT MORON*, but we all know you are waaay to special to do basic adult things without getting a participation trophy.


Maybe you should be asking questions about the wealthiest Rethuglican??

The wealthiest member of Congress is Sen. Rick Scott, a Florida Republican who's worth an estimated $259 million. A former health care executive, Scott built his massive fortune by creating one of the country's largest hospital networks, the Columbia Hospital Corporation, according to the Tampa Bay Times. (He resigned in 1997 amid a federal fraud investigation; the company eventually settled with the Department of Justice for $1.74 billion).







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Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIX: Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000.

We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.

WISHY: You could fucking *GOOGLE IT MORON*, but we all know you are waaay to special to do basic adult things without getting a participation trophy.



How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:31 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stupid title ASSUMES that Trump supporters believe even half of what he says, let alone "any lie".

Unless it is thrust upon me by the globalibs here, I don't pay attention to anything Trump tweets,

Just as I learned to stop paying attention to Obama's pious treacle (which he violated at every possible oppty) and

GWB's "smoke 'em out" "dead or alive' "Iraq WMD", (bullshit warmongering lies) and

Clinton's "I feel your pain" (as he screwed us in the ass)

Or Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes"

Or even Reagan's "morning in America again"

Since when does ANYONE expect a politician to tell the truth?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK





Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000.

We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.




Nancy Pelosi became the 52nd Speaker of the United States House of Representatives On January 3, 2019. Prior to that, she’d served as the House Minority Leader since 2011. She has been married for more than 50 years. Her husband, Paul Pelosi, is a wealthy businessman from San Francisco. He and Nancy have five children and eight grandchildren together.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/nancy-pelosi-husband-paul/

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:44 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000.

We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.

Why lie about old news? Paul Francis Pelosi founded and runs Financial Leasing Services, a San Francisco-based real estate and venture capital investment and consulting firm, through which he and his wife Nancy Pelosi have amassed a personal fortune of about $114 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pelosi

Paul and Nancy are small potatoes and should be embarrassed that after 80 years of investing they have accumulated so little. They could have had so much more wealth by investing in Texas, with no state income tax and special treatment for oil and gas from the IRS, than in California real estate.
https://dqydj.com/how-many-millionaires-decamillionaires-america/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:35 AM

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... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".




Google can't edit what web sites say - duh - following a link in a search return can easily verify info. And there are plenty of sites that provide this info. I don't think you know how the Internet works.

More interesting: why does 6 care about how much Pelosi makes? Jealous? "I could be Speaker!" Should we post the top GOP salaries? Does it matter? She's the one saying, "$2,000 for everyone - bring it on!" while the gop don't even want to send out $600.

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:11 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".




Google can't edit what web sites say - duh - following a link in a search return can easily verify info. And there are plenty of sites that provide this info. I don't think you know how the Internet works.

Trumptards found a new way to share their messages:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/apple-amazon-move-to-margina
lize-parler/ar-BB1cCmne


Interest in Parler has risen since November as larger social-network operators such as Facebook Inc. and Twitter Inc. have become more aggressive in policing content. On Friday, Twitter banned President Trump’s personal account, sparking criticism from conservatives online who felt the effort was biased against them.

Parler has positioned itself as an alternative to larger platforms. Its rules don’t prohibit hate speech and false information while banning spam, threats of violence and other illegal activity.

Parler executives told The Wall Street Journal it has been working to bolster its content-moderation efforts and sharing such information with large tech companies concerned about its practices.

In the past few days, Parler doubled its team of volunteer moderators—called “jurors”—to more than a thousand and instructed them to search “hot” hashtags for incitement, a more proactive approach than what was used previously, said Jeffrey Wernick, Parler’s operating chief. The company had also instructed its jurors to hunt down any content suggesting violence within the comment sections of its more highly trafficked sections, and planned to hire employees to bolster these efforts, according to Amy Peikoff, chief policy officer of Parler.

However, Parler executives said, the tech companies said those efforts haven’t gone far enough. Apple told the company it found its response insufficient, according to the latest app notice, saying that Parler had to demonstrate the “ability to effectively moderate and filter the dangerous and harmful content” on the service.

“This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place,” Chief Executive John Matze said in a Saturday post on Parler. “We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out.”

While curbs on Parler implemented by Google and Apple would affect app usage, Amazon’s announcement has far greater import, effectively taking Parler’s website offline and no longer storing Parler’s data. In Apple’s case, the App Store is the only means to download mobile apps on Apple devices and Parler’s removal means the app can’t be downloaded on devices where it isn’t already present or updated on devices where it is.

Amazon, the world’s largest cloud-computing company, notified Parler on Saturday that it would suspend the company’s account, citing a violation of its terms of service. Amazon said in a letter to Parler it had seen a steady increase in violent content on the site and said Parler’s efforts to remove them were inadequate. The notice to Parler was earlier reported by BuzzFeed.

Amazon said it planned to suspend Parler’s account on Sunday at 11:59 p.m. Pacific time, though it would preserve the company’s data and aid in the migration of data to different servers.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's cool.

It's easy to side load apps on phones and tablets, and people who just use laptops and desktops won't have a problem at all.



The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


And the hypocrisy on display in here is staggering, even for you nitwits.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:17 PM

THG


Not to worry, Polar is being shaken by Apple and others to clean up their act.

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nah.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:57 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".




LOL. I used a Faux news business article to post my info about extra wealthy POS Republican. Knew you idiots would say something about the source if I posted about Pelosi. Now you can get that info from your own Traitor Network

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/how-much-money-is-nancy-pelosi-worth








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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:03 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
... on display in here is staggering.




He LOVES to use the words "ON DISPLAY HERE" because he imagines there are actual people waiting with baited breath for whatever he types.

Dude, there are prolly less than 10 ppl that comes here regularly. You could speak loudly at Starbucks and get more interested parties than here

Only the Manipulation Twins even bother to read what you say, and only because you are a "Useful Idiot".

And he's so damn dumb he doesn't even KNOW he's the useful idiot





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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:14 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

... on display in here is staggering.




He LOVES to use the words "ON DISPLAY HERE" because he imagines there are actual people waiting with baited breath for whatever he types.

Dude, there are prolly less than 10 ppl that comes here regularly. You could speak loudly at Starbucks and get more interested parties than here

Only the Manipulation Twins even bother to read what you say, and only because you are a "Useful Idiot".

And he's so damn dumb he doesn't even KNOW he's the useful idiot





Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, and Michael Flynn were among the people whose accounts were banned following the attack on the Capitol.

These accounts, social media platforms said, violate their rules of engagement and pose a risk to the public.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/here-are-the-most-prominent-pe
ople-who-got-banned-from-social-media-platforms-after-the-capitol-riots/ss-BB1cDfli?ocid=msedgntp


T


Jack=ass want to be friends

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why on earth would you think I'd want to be friends with you?

Despite my arguments with Marcos the last 4 years, I'm much more aligned with him on issues than I'd ever be with a NeoCon like yourself, Ted.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Dude, there are prolly less than 10 ppl that comes here regularly.




Apparently, you don't ever bother looking at the amount of views that the threads here get. There's a lot of prying eyes, even if they don't post in these threads.




And besides... "On display here" is a perfect phrase for what you're doing even if nobody were watching.

For example, The tens of millions of dollars in the recent COVID package going toward a Smithsonian museum for women is going to have a ton of stuff
on display there, even though nobody is ever going to go there to see it.

Yanno... Like the WNBA has been a thing for decades despite the fact nobody has ever tuned in to watch a game.



The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".




LOL. I used a Faux news business article to post my info about extra wealthy POS Republican. Knew you idiots would say something about the source if I posted about Pelosi. Now you can get that info from your own Traitor Network

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/how-much-money-is-nancy-pelosi-worth











FOX news is just as gross as CNN or MSNBC.

None of them deal in facts.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:07 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why on earth would you think I'd want to be friends with you?

Despite my arguments with Marcos the last 4 years, I'm much more aligned with him on issues than I'd ever be with a NeoCon like yourself, Ted.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)



Holy shit you're stupid. I mean, holy shit you're stupid. Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, and Michael Flynn are your want to be friends. Holy shit you're stupid.

T



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Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:06 PM

THG


T


Nicolle Wallace Says 'Joe Biden Went There' In His Response To D.C. Rioters


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Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why on earth would you think I'd want to be friends with you?

Despite my arguments with Marcos the last 4 years, I'm much more aligned with him on issues than I'd ever be with a NeoCon like yourself, Ted.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)



Holy shit you're stupid. I mean, holy shit you're stupid. Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, and Michael Flynn are your want to be friends. Holy shit you're stupid.

T





Learn how to use punctuation, dumbfuck.

Then people won't misunderstand your posts so much.


Cause this shit ain't cutting it....

Quote:

Jack=ass want to be friends


And nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about.





"wannabe"? Do you suppose that's what retard Ted meant here?

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:50 PM

THG


T


"Cowards Never Lead From The Front"


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Monday, January 11, 2021 1:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Nicolle Wallace Says 'Joe Biden Went There' In His Response To D.C. Rioters



*****
SIGNYM: Why Biden supporters will believe any lie he tells

Quote:

Insurrection
A rising or rebellion of citizens against their government, usually manifested by acts of violence.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/insurrection
I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you? What I saw was a disorganized mob, GENERALLY UNPREPARED WITH WEAPONS, who trepassed on Federal property and stole a few doorkobs and other knick-knacks. If this had been a REAL insurrection, everyone there would have had guns, would have organized into fire groups, been under command, probably under a different flag, and been shooting.
THUGR, son, you supposedly had some minimal military training. Does THIS look like a paramilitary event???



Why do you believe the horseshit that Biden is spewing?


Quote:


Sedition

A revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority, usually in the form of Treason or Defamation against government.

Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (2000), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a Clear and Present Danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).


https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sedition

Meanwhile, ACTUAL VIOLENCE is excused by the M$M



You're being mind-fucked.
Please, maintain a sense of proportion!



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Monday, January 11, 2021 1:53 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



And besides... "On display here" is a perfect phrase for what you're doing even if nobody were watching.

For example, The tens of millions of dollars in the recent COVID package going toward a Smithsonian museum for women is going to have a ton of stuff
on display there, even though nobody is ever going to go there to see it.





1. Weakest word association rationalization I think I've ever seen. Really stretching it.

2. "One display here" is another sign of a narcissist, because they like to believe they are the center of the universe, on display for all their adoring fans

3. The whole "EVERY NEWS OUTLET IS EVIL" thing is just a really pathetic excuse for you to know nothing about ANYTHING.

Do you even remotely grasp how pathetic that is? It's just blatantly admitting you are too stupid to recognize biased or manipulative terminology. Basically "I'm not capable of filtering."












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Monday, January 11, 2021 1:58 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you?



They weren't invading a kindergarten, dummy

What a hard reach to make "Capitol Building" into "NOT GOVERNMENT"





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Monday, January 11, 2021 2:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you?



They weren't invading a kindergarten, dummy

What a hard reach to make "Capitol Building" into "NOT GOVERNMENT"





A GOVERNMENT is not a building, dummy.

It is the system by which we regulate ourselves, rules that we live by, and interests that bind ALL of us. Not sure if you happen to notice, but unlike Antifa and BLM they were waving AMERICAN flags, sweetie. UNLIKE YOU AND REAVERBOT, they prolly think of themsleves as American instead of "woman", "black" or what-have-you.

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Monday, January 11, 2021 2:34 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A GOVERNMENT is not a building, dummy.

It is the system by which we regulate ourselves, rules that we live by, and interests that bind ALL of us. Not sure if you happen to notice, but unlike Antifa and BLM they were wavin AMERICAN flags.





We aren't running the government out of TENTS. They picked that building for a PURPOSE. It made their statement.

Oh, and most of them had CHUMP FLAGS, not American flags...they wouldn't know the first damn thing about being AMERICANS.





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Monday, January 11, 2021 4:25 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you? What I saw was a disorganized mob, GENERALLY UNPREPARED WITH WEAPONS, who trepassed on Federal property and stole a few doorkobs and other knick-knacks. If this had been a REAL insurrection, everyone there would have had guns, would have organized into fire groups, been under command, probably under a different flag, and been shooting.
THUGR, son, you supposedly had some minimal military training. Does THIS look like a paramilitary event???

The nation dodged a bullet because the people who broke into the Capitol, most of them at least, never seemed to get past the “and then what” dilemma. They threatened lawmakers, killed a police officer, and delayed the count but didn’t make a serious effort to hold their ground. If they’d pressed their advantage and made it an occupation, it could have grown into something much larger. As it played out, I texted one of the more ardent militiamen I know to see if he was participating. He was at home in Virginia, debating whether to make the drive to Washington, D.C. “I might be heading that way shortly,” he replied. “Without someone to take charge of those people and lead them to follow through with taking the Capitol building, they’ll most likely lose the initiative.”

If the nation had NOT dodged a bullet: I was talking with a longtime member of the militant movement who says he’s a veteran of the elite special operations community. This is an older but still formidable man has always been genial with me. We were talking about the upcoming election and his conviction that there would be massive fraud when he changed his tone and veered off into a very dark place. “What ultimately happens is some people stand with Trump and some people stand against the country. Some people stand with the coup, some people stand against the coup, and nobody stands with the law or morality at that point, and that’s where the war begins,” he said. “When we actually get involved, we’re going to kill Democrats, liberals, and communists at a rate that will defy anything that’s occurred in history, and when that happens, we’re going to make sure that it’s done so thoroughly that we don’t ever have to have this argument again. … It’s going to be so ugly and ruthless. … We’re going to go to the homes of the tank operators [who would be called in to put down an insurrection] and kill their wives and their children and nail them to the walls.”

More at https://theintercept.com/2021/01/10/capitol-riot-far-right/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, January 11, 2021 4:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
A GOVERNMENT is not a building, dummy.

It is the system by which we regulate ourselves, rules that we live by, and interests that bind ALL of us. Not sure if you happen to notice, but unlike Antifa and BLM they were wavin AMERICAN flags.


WISHY: We aren't running the government out of TENTS. They picked that building for a PURPOSE. It made their statement.



So EVEN YOU recognize they were making a statement, NOT a rebellion.

See?

You just said so yourself.

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