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Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:01 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:17 PM
REAVERFAN
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 5:50 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close.
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:46 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close. 4 more years should do it. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts. " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 9:04 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: They want the 4th reich, and they're getting close. 4 more years should do it. Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts. " AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall Is that one reich every 2 years, or do we start counting reichs when Trump's 2nd term starts? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, April 24, 2019 9:11 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/trump-lies-kavanaugh-khashoggi.html Why Trump’s Supporters Will Believe Any Lie He Tells President Donald Trump has been bending and breaking laws all of his life. Michael Cohen, his longtime personal lawyer, stated under oath that Trump directed him to violate federal campaign finance law; the state of New York has evidence that Trump and his family have been cheating on their taxes for years; the Trump family’s “persistently illegal conduct” and “repeated and willful self-dealing transactions” have led the New York attorney general to file a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation. The list goes on. Trump is open about his disdain for law. In April, he told an audience in Michigan that “our laws are so corrupt and stupid.” Trump is also clear about why he is breaking these laws. The entire point of Trump’s campaign to “Make America Great Again” is to lead us back to a time before the civil rights movement, before laws against insider trading, before the New Deal and federal agencies that regulate the commerce of plutocrats. This was an era of white male supremacy. The rich paid no income taxes and there was no minimum wage, so the wealthy lived like royalty. His thinking is akin to the way past activists viewed sit-down strikes. Like these past civil dissenters, Trump views himself as breaking the laws that he doesn’t believe should exist, which includes most of the laws and regulations put in place since the 1930s. Indeed, instead of preparing a traditional legal defense, Trump is confounding legal observers by doing things that, by all objective standards, should make matters worse. He obstructs justice openly. In fact, in vowing to “fight back” against the Mueller investigation, he announced his intention to continue obstructing the probe. He also continually changes his story. First, he denies everything (“I have nothing to do with Russia”), then he says there would be nothing wrong if he had accepted help from Russia. Obviously, a person who keeps changing his story is not a credible witness. Moreover, you can’t devise a legal defense while you are committing crimes, and Trump’s continuing efforts to obstruct justice suggest ongoing criminal behavior. It’s easy to conclude that Trump has lost his mind and his lawyers are asleep at the switch. In fact, there’s a method to what appears to be Trump’s madness: The president intends to beat Mueller and his would-be interlocutors in Congress by torpedoing factuality and the rule of law itself. Trump is open about his disdain for law. Robert O. Paxton, in his classic work The Anatomy of Fascism, defines a cult of leadership as one in which the followers believe the leader’s instincts are better than the logic used by elites. The followers are willing to give up their individuality and freedom in exchange for the leader’s “protection.” And what is Trump protecting his followers from? Scholars Karen Stenner and Jonathan Haidt offer an explanation. In their essay “Authoritarianism Is Not a Momentary Madness but an Eternal Dynamic Within Liberal Democracies,” Stenner and Haidt describe the psychology behind the fervor of the embrace of authoritarians. A certain percentage of the population has “bias against different others” including racial and other minority out-groups. The authoritarian leader stokes their fears, creating a normative threat. These people then turn to the leader as something of a savior. The leader embraces the mythic destiny of the nation. He doesn’t follow laws. He is the law. When Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump’s lies by arguing that his false statements actually point to something true, she offered an explanation for why Trump supporters embrace transparent lies. “President Obama was born in Africa,” for example, is a provable lie, but it points toward what to Trump’s supporters see as a deeper truth: President Obama is black, and therefore, isn’t really a real American. Sanders’ argument is psychologically sound. Scholars Oliver Hahl, Minjae Kim, and Ezra W. Zickerman Sivan, in “The Authentic Appeal of the Lying Demagogue,” explain that those who want to destroy the “political establishment” willingly embrace a liar because they understand that the lies themselves serve a destructive purpose. The people who want to destroy the political establishment today are those who are threatened by growing diversity. Trump’s lies work toward that end. In a totalitarian regime, state-controlled media normalizes the leader’s constantly changing stories, which serves to further obliterate any notion of a shared truth. Trump’s favorite news outlets similarly normalize his changing stories, thereby undermining factuality. When people can no longer sort out what is factual and what was invented, they conclude that the truth is unknowable. It’s the ultimate in relativism and skepticism. Without facts and a shared reality, jury verdicts have no meaning, and the results of law enforcement investigations are easily manipulated or even dismissed. Look at what happened when Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination for the Supreme Court was nearly derailed by credible accusations of sexual assault. While the confirmation was in doubt, Trump protested that Kavanaugh was “innocent until proven guilty.” He then ordered an extremely limited investigation of the charges that interviewed a small number of witnesses and didn’t even speak with the accuser or the alleged culprit. Ultimately, he falsely declared that Kavanaugh had been “proven innocent” by the whole charade. This false fact—Kavanaugh was exonerated—now becomes reality to all of his followers. The same exact dynamic is playing out with the apparent murder by Saudi Arabia of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump has applied the “innocent until proven guilty” notion to the Saudi state, even directly comparing the case to Kavanaugh’s. Despite the reported audio evidence of Khashoggi’s brutal dismemberment at the hands of Saudi officials, physical evidence of an attempted cover-up, and the plain fact that Khashoggi entered a Saudi Consulate never to be seen again, Trump is treating the case as a stone-cold whodunit. Don’t be surprised when, in spite of all this evidence, whatever cover story is eventually manufactured for Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, or any other probable culprits, is ultimately accepted as fact by Trump and then by his followers. Once again, the lie will then become the fact. Steve Bannon explained a broader administration strategy for dispensing with facts. “The real opposition is the media,” he has said. “And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.” Yale professor Timothy Snyder, in his groundbreaking book The Road to Unfreedom, explains in detail how leaders like Vladimir Putin and Trump undermine factuality by flooding the zone in this way. Putin dominates Russia by propagating grand lies that take the entire society off balance. For example, when Ukrainians protested against Putin’s puppet ruler, Viktor Yanukovych, Putin’s press reported that the protesters were organized by an LGBTQ group attempting a “homodictatorship.” Enough people believe the lie—or pretend to believe the lie—that a shared reality becomes impossible. Part of Trump’s defense against his various investigatory pursuers is to persuade his followers that all politicians are corrupt liars, which is one reason the “Lock her up” chant has been so devastating. If people believe all politicians are corrupt, going after Trump becomes political persecution, or a “witch hunt.” Trump’s final aim isn’t simply to escape accountability for his crimes. The final aim is to replace democracy itself with a form of autocracy, under which he and his cronies are forever unaccountable for criminal actions. Normalizing lies and flooding the zone shatters the public sphere upon which democracy depends. Without that shared reality, Mueller poses no threat to Trump. Similarly, without a shared public sphere, Trump doesn’t have to worry about resistance. As Yale professor Jason Stanley says, without truth it is impossible to speak truth to power, so there is only power. The United States is on a steep learning curve. Because truth, factuality, and our very public sphere are under attack, our democracy (and republic) is in danger. The attack is devastatingly effective, partly because we have never experienced anything like this and thus are largely unprepared. Our task now is to save our public sphere. The way to do this was demonstrated by how the Chileans got out of the far more extreme Pinochet regime and reinstated democracy: All sides opposed to authoritarianism and committed to democracy worked together. That means they started actually talking, and listening, to one another. In the United States, this would mean that all groups that claim to be committed to continuing our democratic republic, from supporters of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Never Trump Republicans, would need to join forces. We will likely soon find out if the nation is up to the task.
Thursday, April 25, 2019 12:39 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Plus, America and Truth and Facts have been under attack for decades - from Democraps and other Liberals.
Friday, April 26, 2019 4:52 PM
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Friday, April 26, 2019 11:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The US economy is growing much stronger than expected The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday.
Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:28 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:53 AM
Saturday, April 27, 2019 8:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: *reads thread topic* *ignores every post * * leaves this * The US economy is growing much stronger than expected The numbers: Reports of the demise of the U.S. economy proved unfounded as first quarter activity showed surprising strength. The U.S. economy expanded at a 3.2% annual pace in the first three months of 2019, the government said Friday. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/economy-grows-32percent-in-first-quarter-gdp-shows-much-stronger-than-anticipated/ar-BBWjOzA?OCID=ansmsnnews11 * Is done here. Off to enjoy weekend *
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:02 AM
THG
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The 2nd Quarter of the FY has been the low point of the year cycles, and this one was surprisingly high, closer to 2018 than to 2017. All 3 of these Trump Q2s are higher than all but 2 of Obamanomics' 8 Q2s. Still high enough to post a $1 T growth through 4 Quarters, which Obama NEVER did. Yes, the Legacy of Obamanomics will haunt Libtards for a long time to come.
Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:52 AM
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Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:27 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, January 9, 2021 11:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stupid title...hits it right on my empty head, so I have to pretend to protest months later
Saturday, January 9, 2021 11:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stupid title ASSUMES that Trump supporters believe even half of what he says, let alone "any lie". Unless it is thrust upon me by the globalibs here, I don't pay attention to anything Trump tweets, Just as I learned to stop paying attention to Obama's pious treacle (which he violated at every possible oppty) and GWB's "smoke 'em out" "dead or alive' "Iraq WMD", (bullshit warmongering lies) and Clinton's "I feel your pain" (as he screwed us in the ass) Or Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes" Or even Reagan's "morning in America again" Since when does ANYONE expect a politician to tell the truth? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #WEARAMASK
Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000. We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:19 AM
Quote:SIX: Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000. We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it. WISHY: You could fucking *GOOGLE IT MORON*, but we all know you are waaay to special to do basic adult things without getting a participation trophy.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stupid title ASSUMES that Trump supporters believe even half of what he says, let alone "any lie". Unless it is thrust upon me by the globalibs here, I don't pay attention to anything Trump tweets, Just as I learned to stop paying attention to Obama's pious treacle (which he violated at every possible oppty) and GWB's "smoke 'em out" "dead or alive' "Iraq WMD", (bullshit warmongering lies) and Clinton's "I feel your pain" (as he screwed us in the ass) Or Bush's "Read my lips, no new taxes" Or even Reagan's "morning in America again" Since when does ANYONE expect a politician to tell the truth? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #WEARAMASK Maybe somebody in the media could ask Pelosi why she's worth $200,000,000. We know that she'll lie for an answer, but somebody should at least put her in the position of lying about it.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:44 AM
Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news".
Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news". Google can't edit what web sites say - duh - following a link in a search return can easily verify info. And there are plenty of sites that provide this info. I don't think you know how the Internet works.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:08 PM
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Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: ... on display in here is staggering.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: ... on display in here is staggering. He LOVES to use the words "ON DISPLAY HERE" because he imagines there are actual people waiting with baited breath for whatever he types. Dude, there are prolly less than 10 ppl that comes here regularly. You could speak loudly at Starbucks and get more interested parties than here Only the Manipulation Twins even bother to read what you say, and only because you are a "Useful Idiot". And he's so damn dumb he doesn't even KNOW he's the useful idiot
Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:26 PM
Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Dude, there are prolly less than 10 ppl that comes here regularly.
Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How darling. WISHY thinks Google isn't involved in censorship. She prolly thinks Wikipedia is an objective source of info, along with the M$M providing unbiased "news". LOL. I used a Faux news business article to post my info about extra wealthy POS Republican. Knew you idiots would say something about the source if I posted about Pelosi. Now you can get that info from your own Traitor Network https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/how-much-money-is-nancy-pelosi-worth
Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why on earth would you think I'd want to be friends with you? Despite my arguments with Marcos the last 4 years, I'm much more aligned with him on issues than I'd ever be with a NeoCon like yourself, Ted. The first draft of anything is shit. :)
Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:06 PM
Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why on earth would you think I'd want to be friends with you? Despite my arguments with Marcos the last 4 years, I'm much more aligned with him on issues than I'd ever be with a NeoCon like yourself, Ted. The first draft of anything is shit. :) Holy shit you're stupid. I mean, holy shit you're stupid. Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, and Michael Flynn are your want to be friends. Holy shit you're stupid. T
Quote:Jack=ass want to be friends
Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:50 PM
Monday, January 11, 2021 1:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Nicolle Wallace Says 'Joe Biden Went There' In His Response To D.C. Rioters
Quote:Insurrection A rising or rebellion of citizens against their government, usually manifested by acts of violence.
Quote: Sedition A revolt or an incitement to revolt against established authority, usually in the form of Treason or Defamation against government. Sedition is the crime of revolting or inciting revolt against government. However, because of the broad protection of free speech under the First Amendment, prosecutions for sedition are rare. Nevertheless, sedition remains a crime in the United States under 18 U.S.C.A. § 2384 (2000), a federal statute that punishes seditious conspiracy, and 18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 (2000), which outlaws advocating the overthrow of the federal government by force. Generally, a person may be punished for sedition only when he or she makes statements that create a Clear and Present Danger to rights that the government may lawfully protect (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
Monday, January 11, 2021 1:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And besides... "On display here" is a perfect phrase for what you're doing even if nobody were watching. For example, The tens of millions of dollars in the recent COVID package going toward a Smithsonian museum for women is going to have a ton of stuff on display there, even though nobody is ever going to go there to see it.
Monday, January 11, 2021 1:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you?
Monday, January 11, 2021 2:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you? They weren't invading a kindergarten, dummy What a hard reach to make "Capitol Building" into "NOT GOVERNMENT"
Monday, January 11, 2021 2:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A GOVERNMENT is not a building, dummy. It is the system by which we regulate ourselves, rules that we live by, and interests that bind ALL of us. Not sure if you happen to notice, but unlike Antifa and BLM they were wavin AMERICAN flags.
Monday, January 11, 2021 4:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I didn't see a rebellion against "government", did you? What I saw was a disorganized mob, GENERALLY UNPREPARED WITH WEAPONS, who trepassed on Federal property and stole a few doorkobs and other knick-knacks. If this had been a REAL insurrection, everyone there would have had guns, would have organized into fire groups, been under command, probably under a different flag, and been shooting. THUGR, son, you supposedly had some minimal military training. Does THIS look like a paramilitary event???
Monday, January 11, 2021 4:26 AM
Quote:SIGNYM: A GOVERNMENT is not a building, dummy. It is the system by which we regulate ourselves, rules that we live by, and interests that bind ALL of us. Not sure if you happen to notice, but unlike Antifa and BLM they were wavin AMERICAN flags. WISHY: We aren't running the government out of TENTS. They picked that building for a PURPOSE. It made their statement.
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