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Humanity Is in Danger of Becoming Obsolete...
Saturday, January 2, 2021 3:22 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Saturday, January 2, 2021 3:48 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:15 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:30 PM
THG
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:32 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:34 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: There are a lot of things sci-fi discusses that can't happen - like instantaneous travel to other solar systems and humans inhabiting alien worlds.
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:42 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: With all of our best bought-and-paid-for minds working on it, we can't even get an AI-driven car that doesn't kill its passengers.
Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:06 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 5:26 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Humanity Is in Danger of Becoming Obsolete...
Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://carsurance.net/blog/self-driving-car-statistics/ On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles. Maybe you're better off just getting drunk and driving yourself.
Saturday, January 2, 2021 8:21 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:03 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:05 PM
Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:08 PM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:16 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh, and 9 times out of 10 in 2020 when you're being aggressively tailgated it is by a female driver.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I am rapidly approaching the need for a bot clone for myself. Do you think I'll be able to get one soon?
Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Any so-called AI driver needs to be trained to "see" literally **EVERY**thing. . . . AI has a LONG way to go to replace a human driver on a anywhere to anywhere trip on real roads with real stuff happening.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:25 AM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: "What percent of humans can drive a car anywhere?" People do it every day GPS to GPS. If they didn't they'd probably be driving up and down their driveway for their entire lives. Personally, I've driven cross country west to east, and on a second trip north to south and back again. And both were drives I've never taken before. And I'm not that special. Maybe you can't drive new places given a car and a map or a GPS, but most people can manage to drive anywhere they need or want to go.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://carsurance.net/blog/self-driving-car-statistics/ On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://carsurance.net/blog/self-driving-car-statistics/ On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles. Aww, FIFI! Why did you leave out this detail from your quote? "At the moment, self-driving cars have a higher rate of accidents compared to human-driven cars, but the injuries are less serious. On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles." I thought you were a science person? That better science demands full review of all details, that its essential to our full understanding? What happened? I'm disappointed. It's like you fudged the data to meet a predetermined outcome. I think they call that, "Crap Science." I feel like this omission by you is evidence that you just can't be trusted...
Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:44 AM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What you guys are failing to consider here is that any deaths are too many deaths when it comes to rolling out AI. But what about when it wasn't human error? Do you remember Firestone Tires and the Ford Pinto? Chances are that even if you never owned them or knew somebody who owned them, you still know what was wrong with them in 2021.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by THG: I am rapidly approaching the need for a bot clone for myself. Do you think I'll be able to get one soon? Only if you got beaucoup bucks, or you just happen to be related to a Gates, or a Musk, ect.. Good news is, as long as this board is here, you are too. Unfortunately, so are the idiots. Maybe hope there is a cyber hell??
Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh, and 9 times out of 10 in 2020 when you're being aggressively tailgated it is by a female driver. I've covered this a dozen times, you are still Men are more aggressive drivers across the board, it's why insurance rates are higher for males. I have a feeling you are just extra special sensitive to women wanting you to hurry up, but when men tailgate you they must just have somewhere more important to be, right?? Women are aaaafter you 6ix. They're behiiind youuuuuu. They want you out of the way because you are uselessss OOooohhhhhh
Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: There are a lot of things sci-fi discusses that can't happen - like instantaneous travel to other solar systems and humans inhabiting alien worlds. Much of todays space programs are targeted towards colonizing other planets. Yet kiki in her all her wisdom, not, says it'll never happen. Hmmm, who to believe, kiki or our scientists? Boy that's a tough one. T
Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:58 PM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: This has so many sides to it. No more pandemics from animals. Meat grow in space, on other planets we Tara form. No more whole sale slaughter of animals. The benefits go on and on. T
Sunday, January 3, 2021 5:53 PM
Quote:Once upon a time, half of all Americans spent all their working days growing the food for the other half.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Once upon a time, half of all Americans spent all their working days growing the food for the other half. But moving out of that paradigm can only happen when people harness geologic energy - fossil fuels. Once upon a time the only way to augment human power was with live animals (in Europe and the US horses and bulls and sometimes donkeys to pull plows and carts), or wind (windmills, sailing ships), or water (water wheels). The animal power source needed to be fed, watered, protected, and cared for whether they were actively working that hour, day, or month; or not. So a good portion of available energy went to simply maintaining the animals used for muscle. That's compared to a mechanical plow or harvester, for example, which is a big capital investment, but which can sit idle for long periods of time without needing anything at all. Increased agricultural production per person came about through the use of fossil-fuel-powered machines.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:14 PM
Quote:Aww, FIFI! Why did you leave out this detail from your quote? "At the moment, self-driving cars have a higher rate of accidents compared to human-driven cars, but the injuries are less serious. On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles."
Quote:Teens are 10 times more likely to be in a fatal car accident than adults.
Quote:I'm pretty sure that average humans are capable of doing only a little better
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:19 PM
Quote:What is your point about fossil fuels?
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: First, as you know wishie, Jack=ass is just trolling. What he posts is 99% incorrect and not based on researched evidence.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:37 PM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 6:54 PM
Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Once upon a time, half of all Americans spent all their working days growing the food for the other half. Quote:What is your point about fossil fuels? What is your point about farming? Can you show me a self-fueling, self-driving, self-storing, self-repairing plow? Or harvester? PEOPLE are able to be more productive in general because machinery powered by fossil fuels gives them far more 'muscle' than other sources that enhance the energy humans have access to, in order to do work.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: This has so many sides to it. No more pandemics from animals. Meat grow in space, on other planets we Tara form. No more whole sale slaughter of animals. The benefits go on and on. T
Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:12 PM
Quote:It will be engineers' ingenuity that makes drivers obsolete.
Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: This has so many sides to it. No more pandemics from animals. Meat grow in space, on other planets we Tara form. No more whole sale slaughter of animals. The benefits go on and on. T It will make more human chicken ranchers in Danger of Becoming Obsolete... The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, January 4, 2021 7:09 AM
Monday, January 4, 2021 10:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Aww MUSHY, back to name-calling because you got nothing else?
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And you're welcome! for me being so thoughtful to provide a link.
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: So, why did you leave out THIS quote? (same source) Quote:Teens are 10 times more likely to be in a fatal car accident than adults. We could easily cut down the human-driver fatality rate 90% by simply not letting teens drive, because they've got too much going on in their peer-status-focused brains to pay attention to driving.
Monday, January 4, 2021 4:26 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 10:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: My premise? "we can't even get an AI-driven car that doesn't kill its passengers" That AI drivers kill people? STILL TRUE! "On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles." That the average AI driver has more accidents than the average human driver? STILL TRUE!
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: My premise? "we can't even get an AI-driven car that doesn't kill its passengers" That AI drivers kill people? STILL TRUE! "On average, there are 9.1 self-driving car accidents per million miles driven, while the same rate is 4.1 crashes per million miles for regular vehicles." That the average AI driver has more accidents than the average human driver? STILL TRUE! You do this "Who me? I'm just a dumb blonde - oops!" business every time you're caught out making sh*t up. Don't kid yourself - it doesn't work. Your premise was that self driving was more dangerous than human, "9.1 accidents to 4.1 crashes" but the injuries from self driving are less than human. Could be backing into a shopping cart by AI, versus a 5 car pile up with 6 dead from humans. You left that out to bolster your flimsy premise. Kiki Prefers Crap Science.
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:It will be engineers' ingenuity that makes drivers obsolete. Unh hunh. I HAVE AN IDEA! Let's take all the farmers off the farms and watch the food just roll right out of the fields and pastures!
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 1:04 PM
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 3:33 PM
Quote:Your premise was that self driving was more dangerous than human
Tuesday, January 5, 2021 3:39 PM
Quote:With all of our best bought-and-paid-for minds working on it, we can't even get an AI-driven car that doesn't kill its passengers.
Quote:We can't even get traditional software to pilot a plane that doesn't drive it nose down into the ground.
Quote:And AI doesn't even train correctly, so you need a human at the end giving thumbs up or thumbs down - you can't get identical computers with identical OSes and identical software to train the same on identical training sets and come up with the same - or even reasonable - endpoints.
Quote:On top of that, AI in no way resembles human thought.
Quote:And when it comes to clones, nature's been doing that since life started reproducing. And human clones - called identical twins - are obviously not identical.
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