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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Whatever.

The economy is trashed. Hope it was worth the old and dying people.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There was a cost in human lives, which shouldn't be overlooked.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


And that's what makes the new data about persistent, even permanent, heart and lung damage, even in young people, even in mild cases, so concerning. This could be the medical depth charge waiting to go off.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

There was a cost in human lives, which shouldn't be overlooked.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I agree Sweden in its arrogance seems to have killed A LOT of its older people
but some are looking at the model again, maybe wondering about allowing it to spread in schools so stronger kids [develop] immunity?

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Sweden sets new ‘absolutely necessary’ Covid-19 restrictions, limits public gatherings to 8 people
16 Nov, 2020 15:29

The Swedish government has announced new coronavirus restrictions will come into force for four weeks to limit socializing in the run-up to Christmas, amid soaring infections and falling compliance with current guidelines.

In a digital press conference on Monday, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said there had been concerning developments in the spread of Covid-19 in Sweden and that new restrictions are needed.

From November 24, gatherings of more than eight people will be banned for a month. The previous limit was 300 people.

Lofven called on Swedes to do their “duty” and take “responsibility” in slowing the spread of the virus. He also told people not to attend parties or dinners and to refrain from visiting the gym or cinema.

“These are very intrusive measures that are unparalleled in our history, but they are absolutely necessary to limit the infection,” the PM said.

This spring we saw a great compliance. Advice and recommendations were enough for most people to keep their distance and cancel plans. Now compliance is lower.

Lofven said the ban on group gatherings was justified because of rising Covid-19 cases, and that the guidance outlined by the health authorities was no longer being taken as seriously by some people. As a result, Sweden needed to move from recommending social distancing to bans.

The PM reiterated his government’s strategy in holding off on the more strident measures put in place elsewhere in Europe, claiming “we don't believe in a total lockdown, we believe the measures being implemented in total will have an effect.”

Last week, the country moved to ban the sale of alcohol after 10pm.

Sweden received a lot of international attention earlier in the year when it chose not to lockdown the country in response to the first wave of the coronavirus, unlike many other nations.

However, subsequent research showed Sweden suffered a very large number of deaths, taking into account its population size. Neighboring countries, such as Finland, had been considerably more successful in preventing fatalities.

Research from John Hopkins University highlights that Finland has recorded 6.69 deaths per 100,000 from Covid-19, whilst Sweden has registered 60.53 fatalities per 100,000.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Looks like Sweden's "herd immunity" not so successful after all...

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Sweden sets new ‘absolutely necessary’ Covid-19 restrictions, limits public gatherings to 8 people
... concerning developments in the spread of Covid-19 in Sweden and that new restrictions are needed

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compliance is lower.

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... subsequent research showed Sweden suffered a very large number of deaths, taking into account its population size. Neighboring countries, such as Finland, had been considerably more successful in preventing fatalities.

Research from John Hopkins University highlights that Finland has recorded 6.69 deaths per 100,000 from Covid-19, whilst Sweden has registered 60.53 fatalities per 100,000.

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And indeed, according to divoc-91, on a per-capita basis Sweden is right up there with the USA.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Thanks for agreeing with Signy and me.

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Looks like Sweden's "herd immunity" not so successful after all...

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
it looks like Sweden's exponential 'cases' rise began roughly 77 days ago ... the exponential rise in 'deaths' started about 35 days ago ...

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Thanks for agreeing with Signy and I.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
OK Karen.

Fuck your Covid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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OK Karen.

Fuck your Covid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX, stop being a dick. If you can't discuss the topic without name-calling, then you obviously can't discuss the topic because you have nothing to say.

Stop being like WISHY, REAVERBOT, SECOND etc. You're better than that. Usually.

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#WEARAMASK

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OK Karen.

Fuck your Covid.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SIX, stop being a dick. If you can't discuss the topic without name-calling, then you obviously can't discuss the topic because you have nothing to say.

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16 January, the Public Health Agency of Sweden issued a press release highlighting the discovery of the novel coronavirus, and the agency monitoring the situation. The risk of spread to Sweden was described as "very low" as there was yet no evidence that the virus could spread between humans, but they recommended that individuals developing cough or fever after visiting Wuhan should seek medical care, and asked for healthcare professionals to be observant.

On 31 January 2020, the first Swedish case was confirmed in a woman in Jönköping who had travelled to Sweden directly from Wuhan, China, on 24 January 2020. The case was fully isolated and there are no reports of further spread. It is believed that the virus could have reached Sweden as early as December 2019, when several individuals sought care at a primary care clinic in Svärdsjö, Falun Municipality, with signs of respiratory disease, as all of them had been in contact with an individual with a recent travel history to Wuhan, and later tested positive for antibodies against the disease. There is however no evidence of further spread in connection with those early cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden#Outbreak_of_
a_novel_coronavirus_disease
The second confirmed case was diagnosed at Sahlgrenska University Hospital, Gothenburg, on 26 February 2020, after a man who had recently returned from northern Italy following the outbreak in the country had developed symptoms. With five additional cases confirmed on 27 February, the Public Health Agency put out a statement that these cases were all related to travel to high-risk zones and that there was no evidence of community transmission. Disease control measures, including extensive contact tracing, turned up over 200 travel-related cases in the following weeks, all with connection to confirmed cases or travel to high risk regions. Many of those who tested positive for the virus during this early stage of the outbreak in Sweden had been infected while on vacation in Italy during the one-week spring break in late February.

During the four-week period from February to March in which the spring break takes place in different areas of Sweden, around one million Swedes (about one tenth of the total population) had travelled abroad. Testing was initially primarily done on individuals who had developed symptoms after travelling from the areas hardest hit by the outbreak, such as China, Iran, northern Italy, Tyrol and South Korea, or those with pneumonia of unknown cause. Subsequent whole genome sequencing studies carried out by the Public Health Agency proved that disease control measures including isolation and contact tracing had been largely successful in preventing the infection to spread from Italy.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And SIX, speaking from some alternate universe of his own creation, will once again insist that "nobody ever died of Covid".

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And SIX, speaking from some alternate universe of his own creation, will once again insist that "nobody ever died of Covid".

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It's this universe. There is no Mandela effect happening.

You'll see.

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Uh huh. This is the universe where Trump won the election.
And there's no such thing as HIV either.


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And SIX, speaking from some alternate universe of his own creation, will once again insist that "nobody ever died of Covid".

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It's this universe. There is no Mandela effect happening.

You'll see.

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Uh huh. This is the universe where Trump won the election.
And there's no such thing as HIV either.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You know people who got sick, certainly. You know people who died, certainly.

You didn't know anybody with AIDS because AIDS is not real.

You didn't know anybody who died of Covid-19 because nobody dies of Covid-19.

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On The Quasispecies Origins Of SARS-CoV-2's Enigmatic Furin-Cleavage Site
Monday, Dec 06, 2021 - 09:00 PM

Via Harvard2TheBigHouse.Substack.com,
A Grin Without a Cat

Bottling-Up the Quasispecies Origins of SARS-CoV-2’s Enigmatic Furin-Cleavage Site.

From the co-author of the first peer-reviewed paper examining a laboratory origin for SARS-CoV-2, as well as its addendum, which formally linked the H1N1 Spanish Flu pandemic strain release of 1977 to gain-of-function research.

Although it started as a point of obscure technical reference back in early 2020 as our ongoing pandemic was still in the early stages of spreading its now-ubiquitous wings, it’s now nearly two years later and debates are still raging about the origins and relevance of SARS-CoV-2’s notorious furin-cleavage site, or FCS.

This four-base amino-acid insert immediately drew the attention of the Sirotkin & Sirotkin father-and-son team as they were working on their paper covering the possible laboratory-engineered origins of the COVID-19 Pandemic, which was submitted back in April 2020, long before anyone else was discussing any of this with meaningful scientific detail:

The genetic signatures in question includes two distinctive features possessed by SARS-CoV-2's spike-protein: the unique sequence in the receptor binding domain (RBD), a region known to be critical for SARS-CoV-2's utilization of human angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE2), which is the cell surface receptor used by both SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 for fusion with target cells and subsequent cell entry. The second feature is the presence of a polybasic furin cleavage site, which is also known as a multibasic cleavage site (MBS)—a four amino acid insertion with limited sequence flexibility—within the coronavirus's novel spike-protein, that is not found in SARS-CoV or other lineage B coronaviruses.

This furin cleavage site, which is poly or multibasic by definition since its composed of multiple basic amino acids, is an important virulence feature observed to have been acquired by fusion proteins of avian influenza viruses and Newcastle Disease Virus either grown under experimental conditions or isolated from commercial animal farms—settings that mimic the conditions of serial laboratory passage.

In fact, no influenza virus with a furin cleavage site has ever been found [to originate] in nature, and it is a feature that has been thoroughly investigated in the literature since it appears to allow the influenza viruses that carry it to establish a systemic multiorgan infection using different cell types including nerve cells, is correlated with high pathogenicity, and also plays a key role in overcoming the species barrier.

More generally, despite the fact that not all serially passed viruses have demonstrated an increase in pathogenicity, the fact remains that every highly pathogenic avian influenza virus, defined by having a furin cleavage site, has either been found on commercial poultry farms that create the pseudo-natural conditions necessary for serial passage, or created in laboratories with gain-of-function serial passage experiments.

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You know people who got sick, certainly. You know people who died, certainly.

You didn't know anybody with AIDS because AIDS is not real.

You didn't know anybody who died of Covid-19 because nobody dies of Covid-19.

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On what do you base this?

Do you accept that people die of "the flu" every year? Even if it's not very common, do you think that happens?

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6IXSTRINGJACK:
You know people who got sick, certainly. You know people who died, certainly.
You didn't know anybody with AIDS because AIDS is not real.
You didn't know anybody who died of Covid-19 because nobody dies of Covid-19.

SIGNY: On what do you base this?
Do you accept that people die of "the flu" every year? Even if it's not very common, do you think that happens?

SIX: Yes. Of course. People die of the flu.

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SIX: Except for 2020. Nobody died of the flu in 2020 if you believe the labcoats. It was all Covid-19 deaths.

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SIGNY: Do you accept that "the flu", which mutates every year or even every month, can at times achieve a particularly deadly form, like the Spanish flu of 1917-1918?

SIX: Yes I do. I can't speak for 1917. That might be just as much of a myth as anything else we read in history books, and easily politicized today just like everything else is.

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SIX: It makes no sense for a virus to mutate into a more deadly form.

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SIX: I'm sure it happens, because they're dumb, simple little things... but those mutations die off quickly after killing their hosts too quickly and make room for the ones that play nicer with the host bodies.

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SIX: Also, in 1920, the average life expectancy in America was only 53.9 years. I doubt very much that the Spanish Flu would have done nearly as well as it supposedly did 100 years ago if it were what we were dealing with now.

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SIGNY: So what puts THIS virus in such a special category? Because it's a "coronavirus"?

SIX: Nope. It's because of the Media lies, the Establishment lies, the medical "professional" lies, the billions upon billions of dollars that have been made (not just by the medical and pharmaceutical communities, politicians, and the media, but also big businesses worldwide that have all but destroyed what's left of small businesses), and the tyranny of varying degrees under every rock.

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SIGNY: Do you accept that this particular virus may have been deliberately modified to make it more lethal? And that therefore it may not act like "just a cold" but like something else?

SIX: I'm more worried that the "cure" has.

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SIGNY: AFAIK there is no such thing as a completely innocuous or completely deadly virus. People have even recovered from HIV and Ebola, and people HAVE died of "the common cold". It's matter of degree, not absolutes.

So if there is a formerly healthy person and they catch Covid and die... how did they die? What's the mechanism? Is it just coincidence?

SIX: Nobody who is completely healthy died WITH Covid.
Nobody of any varying degree of health died OF Covid.

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