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.... the USA response was ineffective. There were just too many innstitutionalied problems, decades in the making, to overcome.

In the best of all circumstances, Trump might have been able to prevent about half of the deaths by cheerleading individual and state response.

But if he had implemented an onerous lockdown (again, assuming he had the power to do so) the TDSers would have been complaining about Trump's rush towards "fascism".

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Americans killed Americans?

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Whataboutism is not a valid argument.

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McNamara, FDR, Jefferson Davis, Woodrow Wilson, LBJ. But they are all Democraps, so bots don't know about them.

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Dood, THE TITLE OF THE THREAD ITSELF IS ASKING FOR A COMPARISON I.E. "WHATABOUTISM".

Is thinking not your native skill??

And BTW at this point you seem to have detected FIVE "Russian trolls" on this board! That's a lot of Russian trolls for one insignificant website!

You and "Russians" are like TWITCHY and "fascists" ... you see them everywhere, especially when they're not there!

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and the one drug that was showing promise as a preventative (HCQ) was the target of a campaign by big pharma and liberaloids to discredit it.

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Given the sorry state of our medical insurance and healthcare system, and the shabby state of our economy (which forces people to work, sick or well)

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the fact that we don't even make masks and hand sanitizers here in the USA anymore leading to a broken supply chain

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the bollixed testing program, plus the HUGE mismanagement of "assisted living" facilities .... sending "recovering" Covid patients to old folks homes, where they could infect thousands of vulnerable people... REALLY, governor Cuomo? ....

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But if he had implemented an onerous lockdown (again, assuming he had the power to do so) the TDSers would have been complaining about Trump's rush towards "fascism".
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The trolls will distract with all manner of shit that falls into a different category like war. Americas are dying today due to incompetence. That's a big fucking difference. And the trolls won't post that more Americans have died so far from the virus, then in many of our most recent wars combined. Since the Revolutionary War ended, 646,596 American troops have died in battle. 500,000 died in the civil war. That means 146,596 have died in combat since.

We're well past that number now. By the end of December we are expected to have 400,000 dead; then what?

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The trolls will distract with all manner of shit that falls into a different category like war. Americas are dying today due to incompetence. That's a big fucking difference. And the trolls won't post that more Americans have died so far from the virus, then in many of our most recent wars combined. Since the Revolutionary War ended, 646,596 American troops have died in battle. 500,000 died in the civil war. That means 146,596 have died in combat since.

We're well past that number now. By the end of December we are expected to have 400,000 dead; then what?

shoo trolls

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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When Trump first told that fake story, he had saved 2 million lives in his estimation. Read the story about the Imperial College of Medicine's worst case scenario, the one where everything imaginable goes wrong in the worst possible way and everyone does literally nothing to avoid danger:

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths
-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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No. Not Trump.

YOU DUMB FUCKS WERE SAYING THAT.

I know you don't remember what they told you to regurgitate yesterday, so you're not going to remember this either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump mishandled the pandemic response, OTOH there wasn't a lot of practical help he could offer. He couldn't make PPEs (masks) and ventilators magically appear

KIKI: There is the defense production act, which Trump invoked for ventilators but not for masks and other ppe, or testing. And he could have used the federal government's clout to purchase supplies nationally to be distributed for states to use, instead of states having to bid against each other.

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although some of the factories were American brands like 3M that produced for the local [Chinese] market. The prolonged outbreak in China reduced the supply, and during the outbreak production expanded by nearly 12-fold (to 115 million per month). The global inventory of masks was also diminished by the wildfires in California and Australia, which used up many of the supplies held by humanitarian organizations. So why can’t the masks be distributed?

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... SIGNY and the one drug that was showing promise as a preventative (HCQ) was the target of a campaign by big pharma and liberaloids to discredit it.

KIKI: It also showed a lot of fatal side effects, which can't be ignored if you're going to use a drug on millions of people. It needed and still needs to be tested thoroughly.

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Low-dose hydroxychloroquine therapy and mortality in hospitalised patients with COVID-19: a nationwide observational study of 8075 participants

ABSTRACT

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has been largely used and investigated as therapy for COVID-19 across various settings at a total dose usually ranging from 2400 mg to 9600 mg. In Belgium, off-label use of low-dose HCQ (total 2400 mg over 5 days) was recommended for hospitalised patients with COVID-19. We conducted a retrospective analysis of in-hospital mortality in the Belgian national COVID-19 hospital surveillance data. Patients treated either with HCQ monotherapy and supportive care (HCQ group) were compared with patients treated with supportive care only (no-HCQ group) using a competing risks proportional hazards regression with discharge alive as competing risk, adjusted for demographic and clinical features with robust standard errors. Of 8075 patients with complete discharge data on 24 May 2020 and diagnosed before 1 May 2020, 4542 received HCQ in monotherapy and 3533 were in the no-HCQ group. Death was reported in 804/4542 (17.7%) and 957/3533 (27.1%), respectively.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423

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SIGNY: That, and mismanagement by many state governors didn't help.

KIKI: Like having to bid against each other for ventilators and ppe?

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SIGNY: So, closing the borders was a good first move. I'm not sure if Trump actually has the authority order a nationwide lockdown, but maybe he could have temporarily stopped interstate travel.

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SIGNY: And it would have been far better to get behind masking early on, but you have to realize that even WHO and CDC were saying "masks don't work", so he was just following the advice of the technical experts.

KIKI: Trump NEVER got behind masking. The CDC was a month late but they changed their tune reasonably quickly. What's Trump's excuse?

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SIGNY: Plus the CDC bollixed the rollout of their testing program, delaying it by a month.

KIKI: The WH should have been bird-dogging this, and asking about alternatives (like the already available WHO test).

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SIGNY: Given the sorry state of our medical insurance and healthcare system, and the shabby state of our economy (which forces people to work, sick or well)

KIKI: Yep. There were a lot of problems. The poor economy with no-benefits jobs making people needing to work sick or not ... the horrible state of our health care so-called system, I'll give you that. I'll even add the horrible chronic underpayment of people who really ARE essential, the burden of at risk people, the fractured, siloed nature of medicine including testing capacity ... and I'm sure I missed a lot.

SIGNY...the fact that we don't even make masks and hand sanitizers here in the USA anymore leading to a broken supply chain

KIKI: Yes, we do.

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SIGNY: the bollixed testing program, plus the HUGE mismanagement of "assisted living" facilities .... sending "recovering" Covid patients to old folks homes, where they could infect thousands of vulnerable people... REALLY, governor Cuomo? ....

KIKI: The vast, VAST majority of infections in care homes came from before, not after. Studies have shown it wasn't what you assume it was.

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SIGNY: the USA response was ineffective. There were just too many institutionalized problems, decades in the making, to overcome.

KIKI: There were a LOT of baked-in problems!

SIGNY: In the best of all circumstances, Trump might have been able to prevent about half of the deaths by cheerleading individual and state response.

KIKI: I don't think anyone thought US deaths were going to be zero

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SIGNY: But if he had implemented an onerous lockdown (again, assuming he had the power to do so) the TDSers would have been complaining about Trump's rush towards "fascism".
And don't tell me that you wouldn't be, because I know you would.

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Ordinary N95 production in the US is estimated at 1.5 billion annually. A 2015 study by government public health researchers estimated that a flu pandemic similar to what is currently playing out would require 1.7 to 3.5 billion respirators, a figure that would increase to between 2.6 to 4.3 billion as more Americans become sick. Under a “maximum demand scenario” during which “all eligible health care and emergency response workers would use respirators from the beginning of the pandemic until its end,” 7.3 billion would be required. https://www.wired.com/story/defense-production-act-n95-masks-shortage-
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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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When Trump first told that fake story, he had saved 2 million lives in his estimation. Read the story about the Imperial College of Medicine's worst case scenario, the one where everything imaginable goes wrong in the worst possible way and everyone does literally nothing to avoid danger:

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths
-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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No. Not Trump.

YOU DUMB FUCKS WERE SAYING THAT.

I know you don't remember what they told you to regurgitate yesterday, so you're not going to remember this either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Poll Finds U.S. Allies Overwhelmingly (and Accurately) View Trump Coronavirus Response As “Bad”

Turns out, it’s not just non-Trumpy Americans that are disappointed in how their country has responded to the coronavirus—the rest of the world is even more appalled. A new, 13-nation survey by the Pew Research Center out this week found that belief in the U.S. and its leadership—which nosedived after the election of Donald Trump—has essentially fallen off a cliff as Trump has overseen America’s cataclysmic response to the pandemic. Pew found that traditional American allies now held a lower opinion of the U.S. than at any point over the past two decades.

Canada, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Italy and Spain? These aren’t exactly modern day hotbeds of anti-American sentiment. Trump and his nihilist politics of selfishness have, of course, played a significant role in that erosion of support, but, even more practically, the rest of the world simply has a more accurate understanding of the disastrous U.S. coronavirus response in absolute and comparative terms.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/pew-poll-american-allies-v
iew-trump-coronavirus-response-bad.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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When Trump first told that fake story, he had saved 2 million lives in his estimation. Read the story about the Imperial College of Medicine's worst case scenario, the one where everything imaginable goes wrong in the worst possible way and everyone does literally nothing to avoid danger:

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths
-covid-19

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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No. Not Trump.

YOU DUMB FUCKS WERE SAYING THAT.

I know you don't remember what they told you to regurgitate yesterday, so you're not going to remember this either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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A month later that 2.2 million estimate was still being used (without revealing the source) by President Trump and Doctors Fauci and Birx to imply that up to two million lives had been saved by state lockdowns and business closings and/or by federal travel bans.
https://www.cato.org/blog/did-mitigation-save-two-million-lives

6ix, I have far too much experience with Republicans in particular and Americans in general lying to me, and all the while they are insisting they are the truth-tellers. I am intolerant of either their dimwitted confusion about what is false or their deliberate misleading statements that always seem to favor themselves and do me harm if I believe them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Here's the methodology. Have fun reading that:

https://www.pewresearch.org/methodology/international-survey-research/
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There is zero mention of how many people were surveyed. Could have been 5 hand picked people from each country.

Bullshit that a site like Slate is more than happy to shovel down the mouths of its braindead audience.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump mishandled the pandemic response, OTOH there wasn't a lot of practical help he could offer. He couldn't make PPEs (masks) and ventilators magically appear

KIKI: There is the defense production act, which Trump invoked for ventilators but not for masks and other ppe, or testing. And he could have used the federal government's clout to purchase supplies nationally to be distributed for states to use, instead of states having to bid against each other.

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You can say "let there be light!" but light doesn't necessarily appear, and neither do masks and ventilators.
AFAIK, there was very little ACTUAL PRODUCTION of these items in the USA, and it takes time to tool up a factory for production. Just look at how long it took the paper mills to switch over to household toilet paper instead of institutional.

3M, for example. Everyone wants their N95s, and they are an American company, but their ACTUAL PRODUCTION is mostly in China. And their production is contracted ... already spoken for. Given that the ACTUAL PRODUCTION is thousands of miles away and under another government, it would be impossible to commandeer the masks.

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although some of the factories were American brands like 3M that produced for the local [Chinese] market. The prolonged outbreak in China reduced the supply, and during the outbreak production expanded by nearly 12-fold (to 115 million per month). The global inventory of masks was also diminished by the wildfires in California and Australia, which used up many of the supplies held by humanitarian organizations. So why can’t the masks be distributed?

Evidence suggests that China is “hoarding” the mask supply, and is not exporting masks. China has claimed mask factory output for itself, and during the outbreak, they also purchased most of the global inventory of masks from other countries.

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https://scm.ncsu.edu/scm-articles/article/where-are-all-the-n95-masks-
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KIKI: It also showed a lot of fatal side effects, which can't be ignored if you're going to use a drug on millions of people. It needed and still needs to be tested thoroughly.

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HCQ has been in routine use FOR DECADES to prevent and treat malaria. Even our Canadian friend took it for the years that he was in Africa. It would probably be safe to say that hundreds of millions of doses have been distributed by now, and NOBODY has noted such terrible, fatal side effects until, SUDDENLY, now. Now, one might say that giving HCQ to late stage Covid patients in high to toxic-levels (like Britain did) is a different story, but NOBODY (except some medical establishment) was suggesting it as a late-stage treatment. It was ALWAYS being promoted as a prophylactic by those who were advocating its use. YOU pulled up a compilation of HCQ tests which showed positive results as a pre- and post-exposure prophylactic. I know we discussed this already but you seem to keep forgetting that point. THIS IS ONLY ONE OF THOSE STUDIES

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Low-dose hydroxychloroquine therapy and mortality in hospitalised patients with COVID-19: a nationwide observational study of 8075 participants

ABSTRACT

Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) has been largely used and investigated as therapy for COVID-19 across various settings at a total dose usually ranging from 2400 mg to 9600 mg. In Belgium, off-label use of low-dose HCQ (total 2400 mg over 5 days) was recommended for hospitalised patients with COVID-19. We conducted a retrospective analysis of in-hospital mortality in the Belgian national COVID-19 hospital surveillance data. Patients treated either with HCQ monotherapy and supportive care (HCQ group) were compared with patients treated with supportive care only (no-HCQ group) using a competing risks proportional hazards regression with discharge alive as competing risk, adjusted for demographic and clinical features with robust standard errors. Of 8075 patients with complete discharge data on 24 May 2020 and diagnosed before 1 May 2020, 4542 received HCQ in monotherapy and 3533 were in the no-HCQ group. Death was reported in 804/4542 (17.7%) and 957/3533 (27.1%), respectively.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423

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SIGNY: That, and mismanagement by many state governors didn't help.

KIKI: Like having to bid against each other for ventilators and ppe?

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No, like state governors not implementing lockdowns quickly enough, or not having a "plan B" besides spreading their legs and crossing their fingers.

AFA ventilators and PPE. there simply weren't enough to go around. Now. I'm not in favor of using "market forces" to distribute scarce items because that only ensures that they go to the entities with the most money. But no matter HOW it was distributed, there was never going to be enough.

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Such as? Wear a mask when even the WHO and CDC were saying "masks don't work"?

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SIGNY: And it would have been far better to get behind masking early on, but you have to realize that even WHO and CDC were saying "masks don't work", so he was just following the advice of the technical experts.

KIKI: Trump NEVER got behind masking. The CDC was a month late but they changed their tune reasonably quickly. What's Trump's excuse?

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Actually, he changed his tune, sort of. He DID say he would wear a mask if he thought it was necessary. But, you're right: He could have been a lot more forceful.

There are studies that show that masking only reduces the infection and death rates by 1-2% (ConsumerLab). I don't know what that figure is so low. Possibly because masking isn't universal, possibly because the masks that people are STILL forced to use are substandard.

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SIGNY: Plus the CDC bollixed the rollout of their testing program, delaying it by a month.

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How do you know they weren't?

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SIGNY: Given the sorry state of our medical insurance and healthcare system, and the shabby state of our economy (which forces people to work, sick or well)

KIKI: Yep. There were a lot of problems. The poor economy with no-benefits jobs making people needing to work sick or not ... the horrible state of our health care so-called system, I'll give you that. I'll even add the horrible chronic underpayment of people who really ARE essential, the burden of at risk people, the fractured, siloed nature of medicine including testing capacity ... and I'm sure I missed a lot.

SIGNY...the fact that we don't even make masks and hand sanitizers here in the USA anymore leading to a broken supply chain

KIKI: Yes, we do.

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No, we don't. I already pointed out the fact that most of the ACTUAL MASK PRODUCTION is in China, and the USA only makes a small fraction of the total world inventory. AFA hand sanitizer ... yes, we make the ethanol. But CHINA is the source of those "gelling" compounds which allow the ethanol to sit on your hand long enough to do some good. Nobody wants to make chemicals anymore; the industry is dirty and smelly and it pollutes a lot and is sometimes hazardous, so they let China do it.

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SIGNY: the bollixed testing program, plus the HUGE mismanagement of "assisted living" facilities .... sending "recovering" Covid patients to old folks homes, where they could infect thousands of vulnerable people... REALLY, governor Cuomo? ....

KIKI: The vast, VAST majority of infections in care homes came from before, not after. Studies have shown it wasn't what you assume it was.

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Ok, I'll give you that because I don;t know for sure. LINK PLEASE

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SIGNY: the USA response was ineffective. There were just too many institutionalized problems, decades in the making, to overcome.

KIKI: There were a LOT of baked-in problems!

SIGNY: In the best of all circumstances, Trump might have been able to prevent about half of the deaths by cheerleading individual and state response.

KIKI: I don't think anyone thought US deaths were going to be zero

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The same people who were predicting 2-3 million dead are now blaming Trump for not making it zero. I see that here and on Nextdoor. Yes, people ARE that unreasonable.

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KIKI no matter what. Not preventing 100,000 deaths - that's a significant failure.

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IF 40% of deaths came from assisted living facilities, those were beyond the Federal government's reach. That lays at the feet of governors, county supervisors*, and mayors. Lockdowns I THINK are similarly at the state, county, and city level. Masks might reduce deaths by 1-2%. Based on the various studies that I've read, you might expect a 50% reduction in mortality due to HCQ. PPEs are STILL in short supply! By puttng his foot down and promoting HCQ, the Federal government might have saved half of the deaths over which it had control, which was about half of what occurred. But the biggest impact would have been HCQ, not masking or ventilators.

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SIGNY: But if he had implemented an onerous lockdown (again, assuming he had the power to do so) the TDSers would have been complaining about Trump's rush towards "fascism".
And don't tell me that you wouldn't be, because I know you would.

KIKI: I'm sure they would have.

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They already are.

* Did anyone ever notice how weird county governance is compared to city, state, and federal government? No Legislature, for example.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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When Trump first told that fake story, he had saved 2 million lives in his estimation. Read the story about the Imperial College of Medicine's worst case scenario, the one where everything imaginable goes wrong in the worst possible way and everyone does literally nothing to avoid danger:

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths
-covid-19

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No. Not Trump.

YOU DUMB FUCKS WERE SAYING THAT.

I know you don't remember what they told you to regurgitate yesterday, so you're not going to remember this either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted:
The trolls will distract with all manner of shit that falls into a different category like war. Americas are dying today due to incompetence. That's a big fucking difference. And the trolls won't post that more Americans have died so far from the virus, then in many of our most recent wars combined. Since the Revolutionary War ended, 646,596 American troops have died in battle. 500,000 died in the civil war. That means 146,596 have died in combat since.

We're well past that number now. By the end of December we are expected to have 400,000 dead; then what?

shoo trolls

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Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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You're lying media was telling everybody there was going to be over 2 Million Covid deaths by the end of the year.

HUGE win for Trump. He saved 1.6 Million lives.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So instead of 22 million dead, we are at 200k. So that means Trump has saved 21.8 million lives so far.

Facts and real Maths keep getting in the way of Libtard Maths.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck your masks.

And when Trump said you should wear them I said the same thing to him too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

Your fucking TDS has been nonstop, 365 for the last 4 years.

Get a fucking life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Here's an idea for all you authoriKarens...

Double up. Wear two fucking masks when you go out. That way you don't have to worry about all the sane people out there that aren't wearing one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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