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A remarkable and nightmarish scene playing out in Portland should terrify anyone who cares about the US constitution

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:30 PM

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:31 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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REAVERBOT: A White armed vigilante identified as Kyle Rittenhouse, aka, Kyle Lewis, 17, from Antioch. Illinois was video recorded just before 2:00 a.m. fatally shooting a protester in the head.


Bullshitters have made false claims before, like "Haner was trying to run people down" and "Covington students assault Native elder".


FROM YOUR LINK

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Kyle Rittenhouse surrendered to the Antioch Police Department on Wednesday morning after a warrant for his arrest was issued in Kenosha County, Wisconsin for 1st-degree intentional homicide for the murder of Anthony Huber, 26, of Silver Lake, Joseph "Jojo" Rosenbaum, 36, of Kenosha, WI, and also wounding Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, of West Allis, WI
These are the three people that I could see on the video where Kyle Lewis was shooting at people who jumped him

Where is the person listed that he (supposedly) shot in the head?

Contraditory information, not probative. Still waiting more evidence of a murder

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Video in the link I so thoughtfully provided.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Where is that other victim?

Yes, I heard gunshots and screaming. I didn't SEE anything. Need to review the video again to see if there is more info in there.

There will be witness statements, videos, his cell audio, etc. UNLIKE YOU I wait for enough evidence to accumulate before deciding.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I haven't watched this closely, but it APPEARS to show what happened before your video.

If you go thru the website you can watch the video. Hopefully there's no malware.
https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/08/27/every-angle-timeline-of-kyle-
rittenhouse-kenosha-riot-shooting-innocent
/

If you go thru youtube you have to log in.
https://www. youtube .com/watch?v=rdMTghlrFiw&feature=youtu.be

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Hmmmmm...

From those pics it looks like Kyle is less white than Kamala Harris is black.

I'm sure that is going to screw with the Legacy Media narrative on this one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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CC: ... should get instant jail time, "until we decide to let you go."
"WE" decide?
What means this "we", kimo sabe?
YOU?

Indefinite detention without trial?

I'm sure you imagine that "everyone" can agree to this, but it violates at least three different Amendments of the first ten of the Contitution (First, Second and Fifth)! Maybe even more, if I think about it.

For all of the whinging that [some] people do about TRUMP!CONSTITUTION! they sure do seem mighty willing to trample on it when it suits their needs!



It's in quotes, Karen - that means it's an expression. We've been through this before, like first day of class. Didn't they learn you no good English?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just OOC, what was your reaction to the NFAC?

Did you send up a silent cheer because FINALLY a group with balls - and guns - showed up to contest a (supposedly) armed white group? Or did your butt pucker a little, and did you think Oh dear. People bringing guns to a protest? Just wondering how consistent you are on the idea of guns and protests.

Anyway, as you know, I don't believe in violence except for defense of self and others. But when you're being attacked, you SHOULD be able to defend yourself with deadly force.



Please, Karen, you're getting hysterical. We've been through this before as well: I hate guns. They make stupid & weak people even more dangerous. Just more proof that Trump's America is almost broken and he can't fix it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
OTOH I do have sympathy for SIX's approach. It might quell the violence. Needs some thought.



Like it did in this case??? Have you read any of the posts? More guns equal more guns equal more death and violence - just what you want, I guess.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree with SIX: these rioters are treating this like some sort of video game or TV show. They have no REAL WORLD experience.



That's right - Jack thinks it's a game. These young men feel just as detached as 6, but more invincible - that's a big reason why armies draft them.

Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:47 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hmmmmm...

From those pics it looks like Kyle is less white than Kamala Harris is black.

I'm sure that is going to screw with the Legacy Media narrative on this one.

Kyle is 100% Trump lover.

Tucker Carlson described a 17-year-old Trump supporter who opened fire on protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin on Tuesday, killing two, as a well-meaning kid who decided he “had to maintain order” in the Democrat-run state because “no one else would.” The Fox News host was just repeating an idea that had already spread widely on the far-right.

“The chaos that began with the first George Floyd protests on Memorial Day has reached its inevitable and bloody conclusion,” Carlson told viewers tuning in for his buildup to the Republican National Convention. “Last night, three people were shot on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin. Two of them have died. Police say they’ve charged a 17-year-old with murder,” Carlson reported, without revealing that the suspect, Kyle Rittenhouse, was not the anti-fascist radical his viewers might have been led to expect, but a conservative vigilante who had attended a Trump rally in January and written “BLUE LIVES MATTER” and “Trump 2020” on his TikTok bio.

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/27/tucker-carlson-defends-kenosha-sho
oter
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Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

CC: ... should get instant jail time, "until we decide to let you go."

SIGNYM: "WE" decide?
What means this "we", kimo sabe?
YOU?
Indefinite detention without trial?
I'm sure you imagine that "everyone" can agree to this, but it violates at least three different Amendments of the first ten of the Contitution (First, Second and Fifth)! Maybe even more, if I think about it.
For all of the whinging that [some] people do about TRUMP!CONSTITUTION! they sure do seem mighty willing to trample on it when it suits their needs!

CC: It's in quotes, Karen - that means it's an expression. We've been through this before, like first day of class. Didn't they learn you no good English?

So, you REJECT the thought of locking people up indefinitely. Why did you even bring it up, then?

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SIGNYM: Just OOC, what was your reaction to the NFAC?
Did you send up a silent cheer because FINALLY a group with balls - and guns - showed up to contest a (supposedly) armed white group? Or did your butt pucker a little, and did you think Oh dear. People bringing guns to a protest? Just wondering how consistent you are on the idea of guns and protests.

Anyway, as you know, I don't believe in violence except for defense of self and others. But when you're being attacked, you SHOULD be able to defend yourself with deadly force.

CC: Please, Karen, you're getting hysterical. We've been through this before as well: I hate guns. They make stupid & weak people even more dangerous. Just more proof that Trump's America is almost broken and he can't fix it.


So you REJECT NFAC?

Quote:

SIGNYM:
OTOH I do have sympathy for SIX's approach. It might quell the violence. Needs some thought.

CC: Like it did in this case??? Have you read any of the posts? More guns equal more guns equal more death and violence - just what you want, I guess.

One way to end chaos is with overwhelming force. But it has to be overwhelming: you can't have anywhere near- equivalent forces, otherwise you'll just have a firefight.

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SIGNYM:
I agree with SIX: these rioters are treating this like some sort of video game or TV show. They have no REAL WORLD experience

CC: That's right - Jack thinks it's a game. These young men feel just as detached as 6, but more invincible - that's a big reason why armies draft them.

Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.

So there you are, doubling down on Constitution- stomping.

Your "quotes" won't save you from your statements.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I noticed BTW that two of the three shooting victims are from OUTSIDE of Kenosha, and all three have serious criminal records

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I know I've been harping on this for a while, but I think the police should round everybody up - and people who can PROVE they're from the hood get let go (unless they were doing something violent or destructive), while everyone else gets held for 72 hours.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:14 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I know I've been harping on this for a while, but I think the police should round everybody up - and people who can PROVE they're from the hood get let go (unless they were doing something violent or destructive), while everyone else gets held for 72 hours.

That would have prevented all this murder. It's always reichwingers from out of town doing the killing.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Rounding everyone up and letting the locals go (except for those who were destructive or violent), while holding all potential outsiders for 72 hours would be a great test imo to figure out the source of the violence.


The potential results are of course completely unknown because no one has tried it yet.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:17 PM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by SignyM:
I noticed BTW that two of the three shooting victims are from OUTSIDE of Kenosha, and all three have serious criminal records

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More victim blaming. Also, your reichwing heroes lie so much when one of theirs murders, you can't trust what they say. They end up being proven wrong.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Here is another angle on the events

Quote:

Rittenhouse traveled to Kenosha with his AR-15 in order to protect small business owners and citizens who were being victimized after being abandoned by their state government and police.

Footage obtained by anti-extremism watchdog AntifaWatch shows the first shooting. In the video, a masked man named Joseph D. Rosenbaum is shown chasing Rittenhouse and throwing what some have claimed may have been an improvised explosive, but this has not yet been confirmed. Rittenhouse then shot Rosenbaum in the head as he charged and tried to take his rifle, an injury the attacker later died of.

Earlier in the night, Rosenbaum, who is Jewish, was shown violently antagonizing the armed men, shouting “Shoot me, Nigga!”

After Rosenbaum was shot, a mob of anarchists pursued Rittenhouse as he attempted to flee. The young man then fell to the ground as the “antifa” members began attacking him. Rittenhouse opened fire against two of the attackers, one who was armed with a handgun.

One member of the gang, Anthony W. Huber, died after being shot in the chest. The armed assailant, Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, suffered a gruesome gunshot wound to the arm but survived.

The media has jumped into action to paint Rittenhouse as a white supremacist domestic terrorist and the anarchists who were shot as innocent “peaceful protesters.” But the facts bring this narrative into question.

Joseph Don Rosenbaum

According to public records, Joseph “Jojo” Rosenbaum has a long history of violence.

Rosenbaum was convicted in Arizona in 2002 for committing an act of sexual misconduct with a child. According to his entry in the sex offender registry, he was a level 3 offender, meaning he was at a high risk of reoffending and a general danger to his surroundings. Arizona Department of Corrections records reveal that Rosenbaum spent 12 1/2 years in prison after being convicted of two counts of 3rd degree sexual misconduct against a minor and one count of interfering with a monitoring device. For sexual misconduct with a minor to reach the level of class 3 felony, the victim must be under the age of 15.

More telling is Rosenbaum’s 42 separate disciplinary infractions while incarcerated including numerous assaults, committing sex acts and stalking, manufacturing a weapon, and arson. He was then released in 2016. According to records from the Wisconsin Circuit Court, Rosenbaum had pending charges for battery as domestic abuse filed just last month.

Anthony W. Huber

Anthony M. Huber, the second anarchist who died at the scene, is promoted as a hero by for-profit “charity” business Go Fund Me. His girlfriend has raised almost $70,000 in his name. Public records show that Huber was in fact a violent criminal with a history of abusing his loved ones.

In 2012, Huber pled guilty to false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon and strangulation as domestic abuse. He appears to have violated the terms of his probation in 2016 and was sentenced to two years in state prison, most of it with time served. Huber was arrested again in 2018 for battery.

The woman fundraising in his name, Hannah J Gittings, currently has a warrant out for her arrest for refusing a breathalyzer while driving drunk and driving with a revoked license.

Gaige Paul Grosskreutz

Gaige P. Grosskreutz, a pistol wielding anarchist in his 40s who was shot in the arm while attacking the teenaged Rittenhouse, was charged with felony burglary and theft in 2013. He violated his probation just 4 months later. He has another arrest from 2017. It is unclear from public records if Grosskreutz was ever convicted of a felony. If so, his possession of a firearm is a serious offense that could net him 10 years in prison.

According to a media puff piece, Grosskreutz was a professional activist with Milwaukee based “People’s Revolution,” a more extreme breakaway from the Black Lives Matter NGO. Virtually no mainstream media reporting on this incident has mentioned any of this information when reporting on GrossKreutz, Rosenbaum or Huber.

The strong anti-social and violent streak exemplified by these individuals — who were active participants in a violent riot and clear instigators in the shootings –is common among the rank-and-file of “antifa.”

Journalists hired by elite media may side with them against a 17-year-old boy engaging in self-defense, but it remains to be seen if America will.


All of this is a matter of record. Close examination of the various videos, as well as eyewitness accounts, audio recordings etc will determine who is at fault.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:09 PM

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:10 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Here is another angle on the events

Quote:

Rittenhouse traveled to Kenosha with his AR-15 in order to protect small business owners and citizens who were being victimized after being abandoned by their state government and police.

Footage obtained by anti-extremism watchdog AntifaWatch shows the first shooting. In the video, a masked man named Joseph D. Rosenbaum is shown chasing Rittenhouse and throwing what some have claimed may have been an improvised explosive, but this has not yet been confirmed. Rittenhouse then shot Rosenbaum in the head as he charged and tried to take his rifle, an injury the attacker later died of.

Earlier in the night, Rosenbaum, who is Jewish, was shown violently antagonizing the armed men, shouting “Shoot me, Nigga!”

After Rosenbaum was shot, a mob of anarchists pursued Rittenhouse as he attempted to flee. The young man then fell to the ground as the “antifa” members began attacking him. Rittenhouse opened fire against two of the attackers, one who was armed with a handgun.

One member of the gang, Anthony W. Huber, died after being shot in the chest. The armed assailant, Gaige Paul Grosskreutz, suffered a gruesome gunshot wound to the arm but survived.

The media has jumped into action to paint Rittenhouse as a white supremacist domestic terrorist and the anarchists who were shot as innocent “peaceful protesters.” But the facts bring this narrative into question.

Joseph Don Rosenbaum

According to public records, Joseph “Jojo” Rosenbaum has a long history of violence.

Rosenbaum was convicted in Arizona in 2002 for committing an act of sexual misconduct with a child. According to his entry in the sex offender registry, he was a level 3 offender, meaning he was at a high risk of reoffending and a general danger to his surroundings. Arizona Department of Corrections records reveal that Rosenbaum spent 12 1/2 years in prison after being convicted of two counts of 3rd degree sexual misconduct against a minor and one count of interfering with a monitoring device. For sexual misconduct with a minor to reach the level of class 3 felony, the victim must be under the age of 15.

More telling is Rosenbaum’s 42 separate disciplinary infractions while incarcerated including numerous assaults, committing sex acts and stalking, manufacturing a weapon, and arson. He was then released in 2016. According to records from the Wisconsin Circuit Court, Rosenbaum had pending charges for battery as domestic abuse filed just last month.

Anthony W. Huber

Anthony M. Huber, the second anarchist who died at the scene, is promoted as a hero by for-profit “charity” business Go Fund Me. His girlfriend has raised almost $70,000 in his name. Public records show that Huber was in fact a violent criminal with a history of abusing his loved ones.

In 2012, Huber pled guilty to false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon and strangulation as domestic abuse. He appears to have violated the terms of his probation in 2016 and was sentenced to two years in state prison, most of it with time served. Huber was arrested again in 2018 for battery.

The woman fundraising in his name, Hannah J Gittings, currently has a warrant out for her arrest for refusing a breathalyzer while driving drunk and driving with a revoked license.

Gaige Paul Grosskreutz

Gaige P. Grosskreutz, a pistol wielding anarchist in his 40s who was shot in the arm while attacking the teenaged Rittenhouse, was charged with felony burglary and theft in 2013. He violated his probation just 4 months later. He has another arrest from 2017. It is unclear from public records if Grosskreutz was ever convicted of a felony. If so, his possession of a firearm is a serious offense that could net him 10 years in prison.

According to a media puff piece, Grosskreutz was a professional activist with Milwaukee based “People’s Revolution,” a more extreme breakaway from the Black Lives Matter NGO. Virtually no mainstream media reporting on this incident has mentioned any of this information when reporting on GrossKreutz, Rosenbaum or Huber.

The strong anti-social and violent streak exemplified by these individuals — who were active participants in a violent riot and clear instigators in the shootings –is common among the rank-and-file of “antifa.”

Journalists hired by elite media may side with them against a 17-year-old boy engaging in self-defense, but it remains to be seen if America will.


All of this is a matter of record. Close examination of the various videos, as well as eyewitness accounts, audio recordings etc will determine who is at fault.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Why do you always post the shittiest bullshit you possibly can? Not even sourced. Stupid.

There was no "improvised explosive," either. They're just making shit up and pretending it might be true.

You again blame the victims and not the little Nazi shit you Russians help create.


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Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.



That ain't how the world works, son.

And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.

You don't get to have it both ways. And you get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:09 PM

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:10 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.



That ain't how the world works, son.

And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.

You don't get to have it both ways. And you get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Another completely nonsensical non-response.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:19 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.



That ain't how the world works, son.

And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.

You don't get to have it both ways. And you get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Kenosha police did NOT shoot a white guy who had just murdered two people and was still carrying the rifle, but the police did shoot a black guy who had no gun and had his 3 children with him. Maybe the police are not thinking clearly about who to shoot in the back?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:31 PM

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:35 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Fox News host Tucker Carlson, right-wing commentator Ann Coulter, and former San Francisco Giants player Aubrey Huff all defended the 17-year-old suspect arrested Wednesday for allegedly killing two protestors and wounding a third. The violent scuffle with demonstrators protesting the police shooting of Jacob Blake earlier this week was caught on cellphone video Tuesday night and quickly went viral.

The young man, a police admirer from Illinois who was taken into custody on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide in the Wisconsin shooting, was identified as Kyle Rittenhouse.

And Carlson, Coulter and Huff’s responses shocked many on social media for appearing to justify the killing of fellow Americans.

Huff called Rittenhouse “a national treasure” in a now-deleted tweet.

Coulter tweeted, “I want him as my president.”

And Carlson devoted air time on his Wednesday evening program to ask, “How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?” He argued that the Kenosha authorities were responsible for abandoning the city, and “refused to enforce the law.”

www.marketwatch.com/story/ann-coulter-tucker-carlson-and-aubrey-huff-s
lammed-for-defending-the-teen-suspected-of-killing-two-kenosha-protestors-2020-08-27


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:57 PM

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That was no "explosive device." It was a bag of trash. The little fascist got chased because he murdered a man in cold blood, just as he intended to do when he crossed the state line.



But, keep lying, anyway. I debunk fascists' lies all the time.

Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state - unless you are in your home, you have a duty to retreat. Additionally, self defense cannot be used as a defense against murder charges if you were committing a crime at the time you used lethal force.

Antioch Nazi boy was illegally carrying an illegally-possessed rifle. He did literally everything wrong from a defensive gun use perspective.

He'll never know the touch of a woman, but probably a lot of men.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:58 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Fox News host Tucker Carlson, right-wing commentator Ann Coulter, and former San Francisco Giants player Aubrey Huff all defended the 17-year-old suspect arrested Wednesday for allegedly killing two protestors and wounding a third. The violent scuffle with demonstrators protesting the police shooting of Jacob Blake earlier this week was caught on cellphone video Tuesday night and quickly went viral.

The young man, a police admirer from Illinois who was taken into custody on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide in the Wisconsin shooting, was identified as Kyle Rittenhouse.

And Carlson, Coulter and Huff’s responses shocked many on social media for appearing to justify the killing of fellow Americans.

Huff called Rittenhouse “a national treasure” in a now-deleted tweet.

Coulter tweeted, “I want him as my president.”

And Carlson devoted air time on his Wednesday evening program to ask, “How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?” He argued that the Kenosha authorities were responsible for abandoning the city, and “refused to enforce the law.”

www.marketwatch.com/story/ann-coulter-tucker-carlson-and-aubrey-huff-s
lammed-for-defending-the-teen-suspected-of-killing-two-kenosha-protestors-2020-08-27


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Jesus. These people are completely insane.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by reaverfan:




Because you've got George Soros money, bitch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:

Jesus. These people are completely insane.

It is not a few people, but tens of millions of Americans that think that way, and that kind of thinking goes all the way back to the Vietnam War when some Americans were saying insane things about the "threat" of Communism to justify, at least in their own heads, killing millions of civilians in South and North Vietnam. Sad to say, I believed these people for a while, until I saw the U.S. Army in action. Then I realized up close and really personal that the American Generals in charge of Vietnam were, let me use euphemism, very incompetent at devising winning strategies and extremely dishonest about their results on the battlefield. Nixon had actually wanted the option of nuking North Vietnam. Thankfully, Kissinger ruled that strategy as a little too much force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nixon-wanted-to-drop-nuclear
-bomb-on-vietnam-9217890.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.



That ain't how the world works, son.

And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.

You don't get to have it both ways. And you get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Absolutely correct

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:20 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Fox News host Tucker Carlson, right-wing commentator Ann Coulter, and former San Francisco Giants player Aubrey Huff all defended the 17-year-old suspect arrested Wednesday for allegedly killing two protestors and wounding a third. The violent scuffle with demonstrators protesting the police shooting of Jacob Blake earlier this week was caught on cellphone video Tuesday night and quickly went viral.

The young man, a police admirer from Illinois who was taken into custody on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide in the Wisconsin shooting, was identified as Kyle Rittenhouse.

And Carlson, Coulter and Huff’s responses shocked many on social media for appearing to justify the killing of fellow Americans.

Huff called Rittenhouse “a national treasure” in a now-deleted tweet.

Coulter tweeted, “I want him as my president.”

And Carlson devoted air time on his Wednesday evening program to ask, “How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?” He argued that the Kenosha authorities were responsible for abandoning the city, and “refused to enforce the law.”

www.marketwatch.com/story/ann-coulter-tucker-carlson-and-aubrey-huff-s
lammed-for-defending-the-teen-suspected-of-killing-two-kenosha-protestors-2020-08-27


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Jesus. These people are completely insane.

THEY have rushed to judgment. YOU have rushed to judgment.

If they're insane, so are you.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




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Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Look's like the kid has already had over $100k raised for his legal fees, despite GoFundMe taking down several fundraisers for him.

A legal team which includes lawyers behind the successful cases for Sandmann vs. lying Legacy Media will be defending him as well, and he won't be stuck with public defenders who's job it is to lose cases.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:23 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Look's like the kid has already had over $100k raised for his legal fees, despite GoFundMe taking down several fundraisers for him.

A legal team which includes lawyers behind the successful cases for Sandmann vs. lying Legacy Media will be defending him as well, and he won't be stuck with public defenders who's job it is to lose cases.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

Police encouraged a teenager with a gun to patrol Kenosha’s streets

The way the police encouraged Rittenhouse’s vigilantism is a microcosm of some of the most fundamental problems in American policing.

Police in Wisconsin told armed militia members that “we appreciate you guys.” Some new research helps us understand the police's irresponsible behavior.

In footage from about 15 minutes before the shootings pieced together by the New York Times’s Visual Investigations team, you can see Rittenhouse walk up to an armored police vehicle and chat with officers. A police officer pops out of one vehicle’s hatch and tosses bottles to Rittenhouse’s associates, members of an armed militia. “We appreciate you guys, we really do,” the officer says before driving off.

The young-looking Rittenhouse is under the legal age for firearm ownership and was carrying an assault rifle, which appears to be a misdemeanor under Wisconsin law. Instead of stopping him and asking for proof of age, the police give him water and an attaboy. And when he tried to surrender after the shootings, the police went right by him, even as bystanders were telling them that Rittenhouse had shot people.

How can we understand this behavior? Why do the police in Kenosha seem perfectly fine with armed militia members patrolling the streets — behavior that, just minutes later, ended with two people dead?

A recent paper by University of Arizona sociologist Jennifer Carlson offers some insight into the police’s behavior. She conducted dozens of hours of interviews about guns with 79 police chiefs in three states — Michigan, California, and Arizona — to try to better understand the way police see armed civilians.

“Police chiefs articulated a position of gun populism based on a presumption of racial respectability,” Carlson writes. “‘Good guys with guns’ were marked off as responsible in ways that reflected white, middle-class respectability.”
www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/707609

There’s a reason anti-police violence protesters have been met with crackdowns, while armed anti-lockdown protesters could menace the Michigan Capitol without incident.

When respectable-seeming white people arm themselves, police welcome their intervention — even, or perhaps especially, in a tense situation where the potential for escalation to violence is really high. But guns are in the “wrong hands”, according to the interviewed police chiefs, when the hands are black and brown ones.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state - unless you are in your home, you have a duty to retreat.


If reports are to be believed, Kyle was running away. You can't "retreat" any more than that!
Quote:

, self defense cannot be used as a defense against murder charges if you were committing a crime at the time you used lethal force.
So, what "crime" was Kyle committing?

Aside from being white, that is?

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Friday, August 28, 2020 12:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state - unless you are in your home, you have a duty to retreat.


If reports are to be believed, Kyle was running away. You can't "retreat" any more than that!
Quote:

, self defense cannot be used as a defense against murder charges if you were committing a crime at the time you used lethal force.
So, what "crime" was Kyle committing?

Aside from being white, that is?

He is 17, which is below the age for carrying a rifle. And his other thing was killing two people. That might be a crime, too, but no one can be sure without a dozen lawyers in a courtroom discussing the details for days or weeks since laws are different everywhere in America. At this point, Signym, you should start complaining about lack of evidence and where is the proof?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 2:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So his crime was that he was running away while carrying an illegal weapon.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 2:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So his crime was that he was running away while carrying an illegal weapon.

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Yup.

And in Illinois there is no law against a minor owning a rifle, so despite claims to the contrary from people who have already deemed him guilty without trial, it is very likely that this gun did belong to him and not a friend or family member.

So while ignorance of the law is no excuse, in this case the law being that a minor is not allowed to have a weapon outside 20 minutes north of where he lives over the state border unless they are on the way to or currently at a firing range or weapon safety lessons, a good lawyer is going to have something there.

In any case, poor Second/Marcos will end up being very sad when they find out this kid won't be rotting away in prison all of his life.


And the first thing I would bring up in the trial if I were his lawyer is that the State of Wisconsin is both going to say that he cannot own a weapon as a minor but they're going to try him as an adult.

Can't have it both ways.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 4:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IF YOU THINK THIS IS A REPEAT POST ABOUT AN OLD INCIDENT IT IS NOT. THIS event happened IN SEATTLE, the other happened IN PORTLAND.

IT IS ANOTHER INCIDENT OF 'PEACEFUL PROTESTERS' TRYING TO BURN PEOPLE ALIVE INSIDE OF A BUILDING

Quote:


SPD: Rioters tried to trap officers inside burning precinct using rebar and concrete
VIDEO:Police say rioters tried to trap officers inside burning precinct using rebar and concrete

By: Gary Horcher, KIRO 7 News
Updated: August 25, 2020 - 11:37 PM

SEATTLE — Seattle police officers were forced to kick their way out of an East Precinct exit door Monday night, after rioters jammed it with boards and rebar, and attempted to seal the door closed with quick-dry cement.

As the door was being jammed, surveillance video shows several other people building a fire outside the building near the exit door, in an attempt to set the building on fire.

"I think what this shows you is that these people are intent on killing police officers," said Mike Solan, president of the Seattle Police Guild, who called the act '"clear domestic terrorism.'"

"We're being held hostage by a group of 100 to 150 people that are bent on destroying this city and hurting police officers," Solan said.

Solan said a short time later, the Guild headquarters also became the target of three firebombs. "Our surveillance video captured two individuals scouting our location for several hours," Solan said.

Surveillance video from that location shows one of the firebombs bursting, igniting the building's rear stairway in flames, before officers were able to extinguish the fire.

Solan said officers are dispirited when no- one in city leadership denounces these attacks.

"That's why it's incumbent upon our elected officials to put a stop to this immediately," he said. "How can city leaders be so feckless? It can't just be on the officers. This is an absolute overthrow attempt of some of our government institutions, and police are in the way. They or the officers will get hurt or killed so they can put forth that agenda."

Solan believes the attacks on officers will escalate, but officers must focus on jobs outside of protecting themselves and their buildings from arson attacks.

“They’re not going to bully us into submission,” he said. “They’re not going to bully this community into submission.”



NOT REPORTED BY CNN


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Friday, August 28, 2020 4:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. They're straight up murderers and the Legacy Media is 100% to blame for it.



Uncle Joey just tweeted the following 5 hours ago:

Quote:

Remember: every example of violence Donald Trump decries has happened on his watch. Under his leadership. During his presidency.


What violence Joe? You, your Democrat leadership in the country's largest shitholes and the Legacy Media have spent the last 3 months telling us that there isn't any violence.

And furthermore, now that you're admitting that there is a problem, WTF is he supposed to do about it? He doesn't have the legal and/or Constitutional authority to send in the storm troopers, and said Democrat leaders who have been denying that the "protests" weren't anything but "peaceful" this entire time have made it very clear that they don't want Trump's help and they want to defund the police.

Fuck you Biden. Fuck you Democrats. Fuck you Legacy Media.

Enemies of the People. All of you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So you REJECT NFAC?



We've been through this before, even in this thread: I hate guns. They make stupid & weak people even more dangerous. Just more proof that Trump's America is almost broken and he can't fix it.

Quote:

SIGNYM:
One way to end chaos is with overwhelming force. But it has to be overwhelming: you can't have anywhere near- equivalent forces, otherwise you'll just have a firefight.



Wow - that wreaks of fascist problem solving! You wish Trump would roll the army in - your dream scenario.
And no, that never works unless you want to break society. Hey! That's you!

Quote:

SIGNYM:
So there you are, doubling down on Constitution- stomping.



You're just typing anything now - yawn.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 9:36 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.



Jack's Covid fever brain about to explode. Lying, making sh*t up, and insults seem to be his only responses. Or being hysterical. What's your dress size by the way?

Sorry, I never called to defund the police. In fact, I said the opposite. You even quoted me an agreed - talk about sh*t for brains. Take a nap or go buy some milk - you're cracking up.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 9:52 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

IT IS ANOTHER INCIDENT OF 'PEACEFUL PROTESTERS' TRYING TO BURN PEOPLE ALIVE INSIDE OF A BUILDING

Quote:


SPD: Rioters tried to trap officers inside burning precinct using rebar and concrete
VIDEO:Police say rioters tried to trap officers inside burning precinct using rebar and concrete






Painfully obvious agitator SIGNYM trots out more lies and misdirection.

Sorry SIGNUTS, 'PEACEFUL PROTESTERS' are not the same as "Rioters."

Hate to break it to you, hon, but you're sh*t stinks so bad you can smell it a mile away.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
NOT REPORTED BY CNN



So? You want them to report on everything everywhere every night? Are you that stupid? Or just lying? Yanno, come to think of it, considering the frequency of you doing both, it must be hard for you to even tell which is which at this point.

CNN did report on Seattle riots, btw. So we'll give you a break and just say you were being under informed and ignorant.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.



Jack's Covid fever brain about to explode. Lying, making sh*t up, and insults seem to be his only responses. Or being hysterical. What's your dress size by the way?

Sorry, I never called to defund the police. In fact, I said the opposite. You even quoted me an agreed - talk about sh*t for brains. Take a nap or go buy some milk - you're cracking up.




You want to buy me a dress? Come here and sit on Daddy's lap, bitch.

Like I'm supposed to be expected to keep everything you Lefty retards say straight. Except for a few times where Ted actually called out Second and his alternate personality Marcos for going to far, you never call each other out. Fucking hivemind.


I'm not cracking up. I'm just tired of watching the Democrats and the Legacy Media collaborating to tear this country apart every single day.

It ain't Trump's fault. It's your fault. And everyone like you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Ya'all done fucked up when you burned Kenosha down for waste of carbon Jacob Blake.

Add Wisconsin to the list of states that EASILY swing hard for Trump.

But more than that, it's going to be making every American think that this might be just around the corner in their neighborhood. This wasn't in Milwaukee. This was in a town that most Americans outside of Wisconsin and the greater Chicagoland area didn't even know existed until last weekend.



Be sure the rest of you thank Marcos when Trump wins HUGE in November.

Have a nice day!



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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:




Because you've got George Soros money, bitch.

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I have no doubt that you sincerely believe that.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:15 AM

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Calls grow for Tucker Carlson to be fired from Fox News over accusations of "inciting violence"
One media watchdog called Carlson's remarks "the closest thing I think I've ever seen to pure, unfiltered fascism"
https://www.salon.com/2020/08/27/calls-grow-for-tucker-carlsonto-be-fi
red-from-foxnews-over-accusations-of-inciting-violence
/

The civil unrest stems from the shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old father who was seen on video being shot in the back at point blank range by police. A lawyer for the family said the now-paralyzed Blake's children were present at the time of the shooting.

Carlson faced similar backlash two years ago after he called white supremacy a "hoax" on the heels of a mass shooting targeting Latino immigrants in El Paso, in which the alleged shooter left a manifesto announcing that "this attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas."

The Fox News host made a number of false claims to support his argument about Rittenhouse, which were interpreted by many as an attempt to justify the alleged murders. Among them, Carlson falsely claimed that authorities had "abandoned" Kenosha to "watch it burn." Carlson cast blame on Democratic Gov. Tony Evers, even though he had deployed National Guard forces one day prior. Moreover, bystander video showed law enforcement on the scene.

"He just justified murder," Nikole Hannah-Jones, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her work on the 1619 Project, tweeted after the segment aired.

Other prominent figures called out Carlson and Fox News for "encouraging" murder and "inciting violence."

"This goes beyond being provocateurs," Shannon Watts, the Founder of Moms Demand Action, tweeted. "Ann Coulter, Tucker Carlson and Fox News are encouraging Americans to murder one another." (Coulter, the right-wing provocateur, for her part called for Rittenhouse to be president.)
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stochastic terrorism [stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uh?m] -noun- the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted: The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:35 AM

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Tucker's not going to be fired. He's the number one guy in cable news brainwashing on either side.

Hilarious that they're saying he's causing the violence though, when they've been doing it for 3 months straight with their lies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:36 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SignyM:
So you REJECT NFAC?

CC: We've been through this before, even in this thread: I hate guns. They make stupid & weak people even more dangerous. Just more proof that Trump's America is almost broken and he can't fix it.

Huh. A simples "yes" would have sufficed. Because of your history of weasel-wording, I can't decide if this is a "yes" or not. Can you post a "yes" or a "no" to the question? That's why I'm asking it again.

Quote:

SIGNYM:
One way to end chaos is with overwhelming force. But it has to be overwhelming: you can't have anywhere near- equivalent forces, otherwise you'll just have a firefight.

CC: Wow - that wreaks of fascist problem solving! You wish Trump would roll the army in - your dream scenario.
And no, that never works unless you want to break society. Hey! That's you!

I said ONE way. I didn't say that it was the BEST way. I'm still trying to decide if it's workable or not.

Another way (there are multiple ways if dealing with the rioters) are to find and arrest the leaders for conspiracy and sedition. Also, follow - and shut off- the money.

This isn't like the Vietnam protest with a concrete and actionable demand (end the war). The rioters aren't interested in anything so much as the destruction of policing and the rule of law... and the looters just want more free stuff. There is nothing a mayor, or governor, or even the President can reasonably do to meet them halfway. Basically, this is a "color insurrection" in the USA, and the promoters of these riots aren't interested in reform, they think they're going to vault into power and privilege thru mob rule. And, BTW, it's the DNC egging them on, since BLMTM is financially joined at the hip with the DNC.

The USA has got a LOT of problems NO, NOT TRUMP. Our problems have been brewing for 50+ years: Control of government by banks and corporations (i.e. fascism. Real fascism, not the fascism of people's imagination). Warmongering and imperialism. Monopolies controling the media and communications, enmeshed with the deep state. An "ethic" of unbridled greed, fostered by TPTB to hide their own sins. All of this is coming home to roost. Nobody paid attention to the TEA Party (they saw part of the problem) and nobody paid attention to Occupy (They saw a bigger part of the problem). So here we are: a nation riven.

How do we put Humpty Dumpty together again?


Quote:

SIGNYM:
So there you are, doubling down on Constitution- stomping.


CC: You're just typing anything now - yawn.

Apparently YOU were, since you repeated yourself that people bringing guns to a protest should be locked up "forever". Leglly, you can only be held for 72 hours. You DO realize that, right?

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:38 AM

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In front of the white house.



And elsewhere.


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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Anyone there with a gun that's not law enforcement should be arrested and locked up "forever."

No guns.



That ain't how the world works, son.

And you probably should have fucking thought about this before you were calling to defund the police and send social workers to people's houses.

You don't get to have it both ways. And you get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Absolutely correct

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The Russian troll who works for Putin and who's only goal is the destruction of the USA, speaks. Agreeing with the cringy cretin who buys the bullshit. ^

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Friday, August 28, 2020 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Second's Terrorist Split Personality and What's Going to Land Him in Prison One Day:

In front of the white house.



And elsewhere.




Quote:

Originally posted by Cap'n Cuccklefuck:

Wow - that wreaks of fascist problem solving!



Yes. Yes it does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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