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And now for something important: the globe has an ~20% chance of hitting the global warming 1.5C target in the next 5 years
Thursday, July 9, 2020 9:44 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, July 9, 2020 10:59 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
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Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: People and mice don't respond the same way.
Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:06 PM
Quote: 1KIKI: People and mice don't respond the same way. SIX: Yes. Yes they do. You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently.
Friday, July 10, 2020 11:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: 1KIKI: People and mice don't respond the same way. SIX: Yes. Yes they do. You haven't been paying attention to 2020, apparently. No, they don't. If you knew a shred of history you'd realize that human societies learn and change over generations, unlike mice. That is why our birth rate is amenable to change with the right incentives in place... unlike mice. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #WEARAMASK
Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted blah blah blah Do Right Wrong, Be Right Wrong. :)
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Saturday, July 11, 2020 10:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: You yourself pointed out one major difference between mice and humans - they're asocial, whereas humans are social. That's why under stress the human birth rates INCREASE, instead of decreasing. Humans are geared towards survival of their group in opposition to other groups. And the one way to do that in conflict is to have more people.
Quote:Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.
Quote:Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live. And so on. There are far too many vital differences between primates and rodents to equate one with the other.
Quote:Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.
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SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Interestingly too, the experiments in the video were the inspiration for Robert C. O'Brien's "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH", which was later adapted into the cartoon The Secret of NIMH by Don Bluth. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:11 PM
Quote:Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air.
Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Here is a modification of the rat experiment that makes it approximately the same as what humanity is doing to itself: seal the rats into a container where no carbon dioxide leaves their breathing air. After a while, some rats die from suffocation. In the case of humans, where the container is huge, some will die of heatstroke before they suffocate. You'd think that all the humans would be willing to pay to remove CO2 from their air, but in reality only a very few pay, with the rest of humanity expecting free air. Actually ... not at all true. To give you a rough idea of normal CO2, atmospheric CO2 is roughly 500ppm today. When I started analyzing atmospheric CO2 (among other things) 35 years ago it was 350ppm. In any case, the Navy is very interested in how high can they let CO2 get in the submarines, since generating oxygen is quiet and efficient, but scrubbing CO2 is noisy, bulky, and energy intensive. Results posted online have shown breathing air CO2 can go as high as 20,000ppm with no ill effects. CO2 causes a lot of problems with global warming, ocean acidification, and other environmental problems, but suffocation isn't one of them. Suffocation happens when oxygen is too low, or when lungs are damaged and oxygen can't pass through the alveoli into the bloodstream.
Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The birth rates of many animals also increase under stressful situations for the same reasons.
Quote:kiki - Another major difference is humans have language, which tells us what our reality means.
Quote:jack - We're able to express ourselves far better than any animals out there for sure, but that doesn't mean that mice or rats (or any other group of animals) doesn't have the ability to communicate to each other their situation or their limited scope on reality. If you saw the behavior of the raccoon family I babysat for three hours a few weeks ago, I think it would be quite eye opening for you.
Quote:kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live.
Quote: jack - I'm not saying that HUMANS = RATS in a total and definitive sense. But there are certainly many parallels, both on an individual basis and especially when looking at society and social behavior patterns, if given the right circumstances.
Quote:jack - And just like you said here about humans: "kiki - Another major difference is that humans have human-created physical accumulation over time, which shapes our societies. Our tools, our homes, our streets, etc define what we will do and how we'll live."
Quote:jack - The mice and the rats in the experiments showed quite a bit of odd tenancies that were very atypical of their behavior in the wild when raised for generations in a finite "world" built for them where all of the basic needs for survival that they'd usually have to risk their lives for everyday were provided for them.
Quote:jack - Especially interesting to me were the proliferation of odd behaviors to the point where those running the experiments actually put them into different named classes. It's quite possible that some of these odd behaviors do happen among the rat and mouse population given the right circumstances in the wild, but they would never be passed on and/or the ones showing the odd behaviors would die almost immediately from predators and/or they'd be outcast from their society.
Quote:I think a highlight to me in the video was the point in time during one of the experiments where they marked the death of the last "elder" male rat who was capable and/or had any desire at all to procreate.
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Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And even if every old person were to die off tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing. Thanks for displaying your extreme double standard.
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REAVERFAN
Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Senators Held a Bizarre Hearing About How to Solve Climate Change With More Fossil Fuels https://earther.gizmodo.com/senators-held-a-bizarre-hearing-about-how-to-solve-clim-1844535872 Welcome to Bizarro world. Thanks, Trump!
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Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/weather/siberia-arctic-temperature-wildfires-intl/index.html Siberia had its warmest June ever as wildfires raged and carbon dioxide emissions surged
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