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Flynn case dropped!!! Democrats revealed as LIARS!!!

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Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:04 PM

AURAPTOR

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second - what you're doing is called transference. Every bad trait you find in humans you arbitrarily assign to Trump and his supporters because it makes you feel better. These are the lies you tell yourself in order to make life tolerable.

All I can say is ' Sucks to be you for the next 4 1/2 years '.


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Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:06 PM

AURAPTOR

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LITERALLY everything we were told didn't happen, did happen, and if we tried to tell anyone about it, we were called " conspiracy nuts ".

John Podesta Told Lawmakers Payment for Steele dossier Was Split 50-50 Between DNC and Campaign

On October 26, 2017, CNN reported “three sources familiar with the matter” had told them that in private discussions with congressional investigators, both 2016 Clinton campaign manager John Podesta and former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz had “denied any knowledge about an arrangement to pay for opposition research on President Donald Trump.”

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/10/john-podesta-tell
s-lawmakers-payment-arrangements-for-the-steele-dossier
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Monday, May 11, 2020 12:16 PM

THG


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Flynn's broke, Democrats go on lying, and the FBI coup plotters get away with everything. Some justice.



The Washington Post

More than 1,900 former Justice Dept. employees again call for Barr’s resignation

More than 1,900 former Justice Department employees on Tuesday repeated a call for William P. Barr to step down as attorney general, asserting in an open letter he had “once again assaulted the rule of law” by moving to drop the case against President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn.

Damn some of you guys are stupid and easily duped by con artists. Let me explain it to you. Trump, Barr bad...

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Monday, May 11, 2020 4:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - what you're doing is called transference. Every bad trait you find in humans you arbitrarily assign to Trump and his supporters because it makes you feel better. These are the lies you tell yourself in order to make life tolerable.

All I can say is ' Sucks to be you for the next 4 1/2 years '.

Can I quote you back to yourself? You are crazy:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You FUCKING SEDITIOUS COWARDS who are pushing the narrative that is some how Trump or Barr's fault can all go FUCK THE HELL OFF! You did this and you got your asses CAUGHT because that fucking cult Hillary LOST!!

AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 11, 2020 5:10 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:

AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.



Mal was a true believer, and it took 1 horrific loss for him to lose his faith. My change of heart took a bit longer.

You have nothing to throw at me because the facts are undeniably on my side. You can't even address the Podesta testimony. You'll dance around w/ empty claims and petty insults, and it'll amount to nothing.

There was an illegal attempted coup on a duly elected President, by Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, and there's not 1 damn thing you can say to deny it.

You SHOULD be furious that such ' fundamental change ' meant corruption on a scale unheard of before, but like so many on the Left, you don't care. You even reject the concept of " Justice ", because all you want to do is win.

Sorry, but you're going to have to get used to disappointment.

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Monday, May 11, 2020 7:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:

AURaptor, you are not Mal Reynold, you are crazy.



Mal was a true believer, and it took 1 horrific loss for him to lose his faith. My change of heart took a bit longer.

You have nothing to throw at me because the facts are undeniably on my side. You can't even address the Podesta testimony. You'll dance around w/ empty claims and petty insults, and it'll amount to nothing.

There was an illegal attempted coup on a duly elected President, by Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrats, and there's not 1 damn thing you can say to deny it.

You SHOULD be furious that such ' fundamental change ' meant corruption on a scale unheard of before, but like so many on the Left, you don't care. You even reject the concept of " Justice ", because all you want to do is win.

Sorry, but you're going to have to get used to disappointment.

If Trump loses, you are the one who will be disappointed. Oddly, I will be too because there won't be another tax cut for people like me and Trump, once he is gone. I could get down into the details that would never affect you but those details make a huge difference for me. You will never understand what legalized tax chicanery Trump and I can now use to super-enrich ourselves: www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 11, 2020 9:10 PM

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Why the DOJ’s Dropping Charges Against Michael Flynn Is So Insidious

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/doj-michael-flynn-william-
barr-donald-trump.html


The core of the issue here is that during the transition period, Michael Flynn had a phone call with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, immediately following the Obama administration’s announcement that it was imposing sanctions and retaliation for Russian interference in the 2016 election.

And in this phone conversation, Flynn essentially says, “Don’t respond.” The implication of this is that there will be more favorable treatment when the new administration comes in. Kislyak, in fact, doesn’t respond. The Russians decide not to retaliate in response to the sanctions. The current United States government at the time is kind of scratching their heads. They were prepared for the Russians to retaliate. They want to know what happened. And so they start investigating, and they find this phone call between Flynn and Kislyak.

The FBI interviews Michael Flynn to ask about this call. They already have the transcripts, so they know what’s on it. And in the course of that interview, Michael Flynn lies. He says that he didn’t mention sanctions during this call at all. And it’s a crime to lie to federal investigators.

Fast forward to December 2017. Michael Flynn pleads guilty, admits that he lied, that he knew his statements were false at the time. And then there’s been this prolonged period of cooperation. Over the past six or eight months, Michael Flynn has changed his mind. He’s attempted to withdraw his guilty plea. He suggested that there’s been misconduct by the federal government. In the past couple of weeks, the president of the United States has suggested he might pardon Michael Flynn. And then Thursday evening, in a surprise turn of events, the Justice Department actually decided to drop charges against Michael Flynn entirely and essentially abandon the plea agreement.

It is an understatement to call it unusual for the Department of Justice to drop charges after somebody has already pleaded guilty to them. And so that leads us to where we are now with serious questions about why this course of action was undertaken at the Department of Justice and what it means about apolitical law enforcement moving forward.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 11, 2020 11:07 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by THG:
Then we get to see the real rappy. Not a very bright guy who believes negative, false bullshit posted by others reinforcing your warped beliefs.



I've had that conversation with him. He literally believes that if he can find other people who think like him that it must mean HE is correct.

You can find people that believe ANYTHING.

You can find people who believe they are a god or divinely protected or people that have sex with trees!

He is also one of those amoral turds that will back up anyone he thinks is on his side NO MATTER WHAT. I keep wondering where he learned that. I've met more than a few Marines like that. "We don't pay you to think, soldier!"


It's ok, Rappy, you can learn to think now....Good luck with that!


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Friday, May 15, 2020 6:23 AM

AURAPTOR

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The problem is that useful idiots blindly believe what the Obama administration put out there as gospel. The fact remains that this was a politically motivated attempt to subvert a duly elected president and the illegal weaponizing of our law-enforcement & intelligence agencies.

The fact that some people keep trying to make Russia plus Trump a thing even after the Mueller report and now these documents have surfaced proves that it’s not about politics, it’s about fervent religious, hard Leftist belief.

Joe Biden said he had no knowledge of the Flynn case, then it is revealed he was among the over two dozen people who requested him being on mast. Oops.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, May 15, 2020 7:06 AM

SIGNYM

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The FBI interviews Michael Flynn to ask about this call. They already have the transcripts, so they know what’s on it. And in the course of that interview, Michael Flynn lies. He says that he didn’t mention sanctions during this call at all. And it’s a crime to lie to federal investigators.

Fast forward to December 2017. Michael Flynn pleads guilty, admits that he lied, that he knew his statements were false at the time.

More bullshit from SECOND.

When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.

What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.

That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.

Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.

It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.



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Friday, May 15, 2020 7:56 AM

AURAPTOR

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Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.

Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.

Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?

Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?


Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.

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Friday, May 15, 2020 9:07 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

I've had that conversation with him. He literally believes that if he can find other people who think like him that it must mean HE is correct.





I suppose you fancy yourself some sort of clever person. I truly hope you're not a lawyer, because your debate tactics are laughable High School.

I see the world as I see it. Based on my known experiences. When I post another person's point of view on a matter in which syncs with mine, it's not to validate MY view, but to simply show that others are of like mind and I'm not just creating nonsense out of thin air, or taking a contrarian view w/ out reference or citation. IMO, it helps to see things as OTHERS see them, so you can get a more clear picture of the subject.

Like seeing in 3-D, it can't be done with just one lens, or eye. There's my perspective, and then those who see things from a different vantage point.

I know, I'm talking over your head and making this far too confusing. You're a blind tribalist who refuses to admit they're wrong. Even when it's been shown to you and you know it, your false pride won't allow you to admit you were wrong. So you get even angrier, like a child, and up your vitriol until you're at tantrum mode.

Which doesn't take very long for you to reach.



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Friday, May 15, 2020 9:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Flynn wasn't mirandized. He wasn't under oath. Nor was he testifying before a grand jury.

Obama flat out lied when he claimed Flynn perjured himself.

Is Obama an utter moron, who doesn't know the law?

Or does he think just him saying that will gaslight useful idiots, like Second, to repeat the lie over and over and over until the gen public believes it?


Probably a bit of both, I'll bet.

Here is Flynn admitting he is a perjurer : STATEMENT OF THE OFFENSE
www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, the United States of America and the defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, stipulate and agree that the following facts are true and accurate. These facts do not constitute all of the facts known to the parties concerning the charged offense; they are being submitted to demonstrate that sufficient facts exist that the defendant committed the offense to which he is pleading guilty.
1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. FLYNN, who served as a surrogate and national security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (“Campaign”), as a senior member of President-Elect Trump’s Transition Team (“Presidential Transition Team”), and as the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C. At the time of the interview, the FBI had an open investigation into the Government of Russia’s (“Russia”) efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, including the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia, and whether there was any coordination between the Campaign and Russia’s efforts.

2. FLYNN’s false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

More at www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

AURaptor, Flynn signed the document. He claimed he was lying before, but in 2017 he claimed he was telling the truth, but in 2020 Flynn is claiming that, really, he was lying when signed the document. Flynn lies about lying. He is absolutely nuts.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 15, 2020 12:39 PM

SIGNYM

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To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.

HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.

Quote:

When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.

What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.

That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.

Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.

It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.



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Friday, May 15, 2020 1:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.

HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.

Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI, but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,” Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people. Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”

“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
nn-affair


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 15, 2020 1:24 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

SIGNY: To repeat myself because SECOND prefers to ignore the truth.
HEY SECOND, I highlighted the important part for you.

SECOND: Flynn’s lies mattered to the judge, who didn’t gloss over their implications during an exchange with the defendant. “Not only did you lie to the FBI

The FBI interviewer didn't think so.
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but you lied to senior officials in the Trump transition team and administration,”
what was that "lie"? On what matter of substance did Flynn mislead anyone? As far as he (Flynn) knew, he was go to go. Nobody told him that he was under investigation. As far as the FBI knew, Flynn was telling the truth. FLYNN apparently thought he was telling the truth.
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Sullivan said. “Those lies caused the then vice president-elect, incoming chief of staff, and then press secretary to lie to the American people.
About what? Was Flynn covering up "collusion" between Trump and Russia? The Mueller report says no. Was Flynn covering up presumed election meddling? Apparently not.
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Moreover, you lied to the FBI about three different topics, and you made those false statements while you were serving as the national security adviser, the president of the United States’ most senior national security aid. I can’t minimize that.”
Again, what "lies"?

Quote:

“So all along you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country, while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States,” Judge Sullivan told Flynn. Moments later, he charged: “Arguably, you sold your country out.”
Jeezus, can you say "overwrought" much? The guy is blathering without foundation. He sounds a lot like Rachel Madcow.

All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.

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Friday, May 15, 2020 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All of which shows why Sullivan should recuse himself from the case.

Signym, you are insane. Flynn's lies weren’t insubstantial. According to a little-noticed document he signed alongside his plea of guilty a year earlier, the retired lieutenant general lied about discussing the recently imposed U.S. sanctions with the Russian ambassador, whose nation had just interfered with the 2016 election; he lied about whether he had helped grease the wheels against a U.N. Security Council vote on Israeli settlements; and he lied about his status as an unregistered foreign agent of the government of Turkey.

On pain of perjury, on the day he pleaded guilty, Flynn attested to those lies: “I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and because I am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged.”

www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/could-a-judge-override-barr-in-the-fly
nn-affair


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 15, 2020 1:51 PM

SIGNYM

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According to evidence, Flynn and Kislyak spoke MANY times about many things. But the case against Flynn rests, apparently, on one phrase consisting of possibly two, three, or four words.

We will apparently never know the larger context of that conversation because the transcript is highly classified. If there is a much larger discussion about sanctions, strategies and reactions then it would be harder to argue that Flynn forgot about it because it would have been logically attached to other phrases and memories. But if it was a one-off comment then it simply may not have "stuck". If Flynn was asked about it in the middle of a bunch of distractor questions, he may simply have misremembered.

https://kyma.com/news/politics/2020/05/14/where-are-the-transcripts-fl
ynn-kislyak-calls-stay-secret-as-requests-for-them-grow
/

As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.

IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty. For example, Halpern claims that on a trip to Moscow Flynn left a formal dinner in a cab with some high mucky-muck Russian official (I forget who but I can look it up). Meanwhile, other Ammericans who also attended said that Flynn left with them, and all photos of the event do not show Halpern in attendance. So apparently the reason why Flynn was being surveilled in the first place was all based on yet another lie.


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Friday, May 15, 2020 2:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

As usual, SECOND does not look at, or for, evidence. He only sees what he wants to see, and repeats what he wants to hear.

IMHO, what could really have gotten Flynn in trouble was his work for a firm that was being paid by Turkey. He made quite a bit of money on that, as I recall. His contacts with Russia were, by comparison, petty.

Judge Emmet Sullivan knew all about that and let Flynn plead guilty to a different and minor charge because Flynn cooperated with prosecutors. If Judge Sullivan won't cooperate with Barr refusing to go to trial, maybe Sullivan should be impeached in the Senate, which would be a lovely strategy pleasing to Trump. "Flynn is no criminal. Judge Sullivan is the real criminal. Lock him up!" -- Donald Trump

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Friday, May 15, 2020 2:08 PM

SIGNYM

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This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.

If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.

I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.

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Friday, May 15, 2020 2:29 PM

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Here are 13 questions we would ask of government counsel if we were Judge Sullivan:

1) One striking feature of your brief is that it does not seem to allege that any of Flynn’s constitutional rights were violated or that you are conceding that any government action with respect to this investigation was illegal. Am I reading the government’s position correctly that you wish to dismiss this case without conceding that Flynn’s rights were actually infringed?

2) Can you identify another case in which the government has argued for the dismissal of a guilty plea in the absence of either newly discovered evidence of actual innocence or the discovery of some sort of infringement of the defendant’s constitutional rights?

3) As I understand your position, you are taking the view that Flynn’s case should be dismissed because the investigation lacked a proper predicate at the time the FBI interviewed him, and that his lies thus could not have been material. Are you aware of any other case in which the government has asked for dismissal of any charge on the ground that the investigation lacked a proper predicate? And are you aware of any other circumstances in which the government, in a false-statements case, sought dismissal because the supposed lack of a predicate for the investigation made the lies supposedly immaterial?

4) The federal government commonly charges defendants with lying to investigators. Does the department intend to perform similar analyses of the predication and materiality of past false-statements cases and seek dismissals of other matters that may currently be pending presentencing that may run afoul of its new position?

5) In arguing that the investigation was not properly predicated, the government points to documentation of internal FBI discussions concerning whether or not to close its probe into Flynn—discussions that took place before the bureau learned of Flynn’s call with the Russian ambassador. This knowledge, in turn, prompted the FBI to continue its work and ultimately seek an interview with Flynn. The phone call, the government states, was not an adequate predicate for continuing the probe. Is the government’s position that, as a general matter of law or policy, the question of predication must be evaluated anew at each step of an investigation merely because there has been discussion of closing a case? Can the government cite another case in which it has ever taken that view?

6) The FBI decided to interview Flynn after discovering his phone call with Ambassador Kislyak and learning that Flynn had lied about the matter to Vice President Mike Pence and White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer, both of whom then unknowingly repeated the lie to the public. Justice Department officials have since testified under oath that they worried this placed Flynn at risk of blackmail by the Russian government—because the Kremlin would, of course, know that Flynn had indeed spoken with Kislyak. Does the government really take the view that it would not be a counterintelligence threat for the Russian Federation to know that the national security adviser had lied to the vice president about contacts with its government related to election interference and sanctions? And does it really take the view that it is actually lawful to lie to the FBI in such an investigation?

7) Robert S. Litt, who served as general counsel to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence through the end of the Obama administration and was thus a sitting intelligence official during the relevant period, has posed the following hypothetical:

Someone who holds a grudge against you calls an FBI office and says that you are a Russian agent, providing fictitious details of invented meetings you have had with agents from Russia’s Federal Security Service. Before that call, the FBI had no information at all about you—let alone an open predicated investigation—but follows up with a public records search and an interview of you, and determines that there is no basis to the claim.

The logic of the department’s position in the Flynn case is that the person who maliciously reported you to the FBI could not be prosecuted for making a false statement, because at the time the statements were made, those statements “were not ‘material’ to any viable counterintelligence investigation … initiated by the FBI.” Or, to put it differently, the FBI can’t investigate whether someone is a Russian agent unless it already has evidence that the person is a Russian agent.

Is this a correct statement of the government’s position? And if not, why not?

8) In your brief, you argue that even if the statements were material, the “government does not believe it could prove that Mr. Flynn knowingly and willfully made a false statement beyond a reasonable doubt.” Flynn, as you know, twice admitted in open court that he lied, and he signed a statement of the offense that admitted, “In truth and in fact … Flynn then and there knew” that his statements were untrue when he made them to the FBI. What’s more, the charging document to which he pled guilty specifies that his actions were knowing and willful. Your brief makes no mention of the fact that such admissions by Flynn are themselves compelling evidence of his guilt. Do you doubt that they are admissible evidence that could be used against him at trial? And why did the government not take account of them as evidence in determining it would be unable to prove its case?

9) The motion to dismiss this case is signed not by any career official of the Justice Department, but only by Timothy Shea, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, who is a political appointee. Why did no career Justice Department official, including the assistant U.S. attorneys who have been litigating the case since it was transferred back to the Justice Department from the Special Counsel’s Office, sign the motion?

10) In particular, I noticed the motion by Brandon Van Grack to withdraw from this case. Van Grack, a career prosecutor, worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team and has been on this case since the plea agreement was first filed. Indeed, he was one of the signatories to the plea documents. Can you explain to me why Van Grack wishes to withdraw from the case after working on it for so long?

11) While no career officials of the department appear to have participated in this decision, a number of political officials did. As I understand it, the attorney general himself asked the U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Missouri, Jeffrey Jensen, to review the case. Jensen recommended dismissing it. And Attorney General William Barr accepted that recommendation, leaving Shea to file the brief currently before me. Barr, Shea, and Jensen are all political appointees. Am I to understand that all of the relevant players in this decision to dismiss a plea agreement whose lawfulness the government’s brief does not seem to challenge were political appointees?

12) The plea agreement between the government and Flynn specifies that the government cannot further charge Flynn for any of the conduct outlined in the plea documents. This includes not merely Flynn’s false statements about his communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak concerning sanctions, but also Flynn’s operating as an unregistered foreign agent for the benefit of Turkey and his false statements both about that and about his negotiations surrounding a U.N. Security Council resolution. The plea agreement, however, also contains a provision specifying that if Flynn “fails specifically to perform or to fulfill completely each and every one of [his] obligations under this Agreement,” the government’s obligations under the plea deal cease.

Before the government sought to dismiss this case, Flynn filed a motion before the court to withdraw his guilty plea. Is the government’s view that Flynn violated his agreement by seeking to withdraw his plea? In other words, if I grant the government’s motion, is it the government’s view that a future attorney general could refile the charges—other than the specific false-statements charge I am being asked to dismiss—against Flynn that the original plea agreement immunized him against? Or does the government take the view that the original immunity provision of the plea agreement is still in force?

13) Finally, can you assure me that the many scores of times President Trump has expressed sympathy for Flynn and stated his belief that his former national security adviser was wronged by the FBI have nothing whatsoever to do with the decision by the Justice Department that the continuation of this prosecution would not, as the department asserts, “serve the interests of justice”?

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/what-judge-sullivan-should-d
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.

If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.

I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.

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Interesting. Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI. And Flynn himself says he lied about several things to the FBI, including working for another country while being our National Security Chief.
But you want to go against Trump, the FBI , the Judge, and Flynn on this... doesn't get much more telling or dim.

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SIGNYM: This is not about "going to trial", this is about sentencing. Judge Emmett Sullivan wants to sentence a man who both prosecutors and defense now say is "not guilty". In doing so, he is far overreaching the powers of his bench by appointing ANOTHER prosecutor. Judges are not defense, nor are they prosecutors. They should sit in the middle and make sure that everything is done according to law, and at this point Emmett Sullivan himself is breaking the law.

If the FIB hadn't made such a hash of the case, and if the prosecutors hadn't withheld key evidence from the defense, we may have been looking at a legitimate case. But as it stands the case was so thoroughly botched it can't be resuscitated, not even by a judge.

I have posted since the beginning that I think Flynn was acting as an unregistered representative of a foreign agent (Turkey). There is a money-trail, and I was disturbed by some of the things he was discussing with Turkey, because he has a huge giant grotch against Iran. But the usual "punishment" is to let the offender register after-the-fact. As far as his discussions with Kislyak, I doubt there is much in there to prosecute. He was not "selling out" America.

CC: Interesting. Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI. And Flynn himself says he lied about several things to the FBI, including working for another country while being our National Security Chief.
But you want to go against Trump, the FBI , the Judge, and Flynn on this... doesn't get much more telling or dim.

So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?

Interesting indeed.

There is a lot of evidence that Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Obama, and a host of underlings and associates across the ocean acted improperly and illegally again Trump and his associates. So if you want to talk about collusion and unregistered foreign agents and lying why don't you look at them?

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Friday, May 15, 2020 3:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More bullshit from SECOND.

When you interview a suspect, you (a) let him or her know that they are the subject of the investigation and (b) provide him or her with any memory aids such as transcripts, diaries, notes. emails etc to allow them to refresh their memories.

What is a lie? It is a deliberate and knowing misrepresentation of what the person believes to be the truth. Unless you provide the suspect with a refresher, you can't tell whether they lied or misspoke/forgot.

That is why the FIB notes on the interview are crucial. The FIB prides itself in being human lie detectors. That is one of the skills that they look for, and hone, in their agents. The people who interviewed Flynn wrote AT THE TIME that they didn't believe he was lying. As far as they could tell, he believed he was telling the truth.

Well, maybe Flynn is a stonecold liar. He WAS head of DIA after all, another spook. But the way the FIB conducted this whole investigation (which was clearly set up to entrap Flynn) and withheld exculpatory evidence ... well, we'll never know. If the FIB had done a by-the-book investigation and shown Flynn the transcript he would have been forced to admit "Yep, I said that" and then we would be discussing whether or not that was worthy of prosecution. But IMHO they must have felt that Flynn's conversstion was not much, and in their eagerness to entrap him they bungled the case and they REALLY bungled the prosecution by withholding evidence from the defense.

It was all illegal by the FIB and malicious, politically-motivated prosecution. Very much like Ukrainegate, which the transcript showed was not much either.



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Thanks for all these relevant details, Signy. I'd forgotten most of them.

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So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?



So YOU'RE not? I'm not the crusader for Flynn - you are.

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump DOJ Grossly Distorted Facts In Call To Drop Flynn Case



Now, there's a person who's not about to be confused by the facts.

Fact: Michael Flynn pleaded guilty. Twice. Even President Trump has said his former national security adviser lied to the F.B.I.

When asked about the plea at the time, Mr. Trump said, “I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the vice president and the F.B.I.”

Mr. Flynn did lie, as he admitted to under oath in a court of law — twice. He told investigators, falsely, that he had not communicated with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, about possible changes to American foreign policy toward Russia even before Mr. Trump took office.

To review: Mr. Barr is now saying he cannot prove charges to which Mr. Flynn has twice pleaded guilty in court — and for which there is ample evidence. Very funny, Mr. Barr. lol.

Mr. Trump, his original explanation for firing Mr. Flynn notwithstanding, promptly crowed that his former aide was an “innocent man” who had been targeted by the Obama administration. Very funny, Mr. Trump. lol.

www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/michael-flynn-charges-dropped.html

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Data obtained by Fox News shows that thousands of unmasking requests have been fulfilled every year across both the Obama and Trump administrations, reflecting the often routine nature of these requests in intelligence work. The practice is regarded as an important national security tool, a view reflected by these numbers.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence reported that in 2019, the Trump administration had 10,012 unmasking requests fulfilled; 16,721 requests fulfilled in 2018, and 9,529 requests fulfilled in 2017.

During 2016, the last year of the Obama administration, there were 9,217 unmasking requests fulfilled.

The numbers reflect how frequently national security and intelligence officials use this tool in their work. Unmasking occurs after U.S. citizens' conversations are incidentally picked up in conversations with foreign officials who are being monitored by the intelligence community. The U.S. citizens' identities are supposed to be protected if their participation is incidental and no wrongdoing is suspected. However, officials can determine the U.S. citizens' names through a process that is supposed to safeguard their rights. In the typical process, when officials are requesting the unmasking of an American, they do not necessarily know the identity of the person in advance.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/unmasking-requests-number-in-thousand
s-across-administrations-as-pols-demand-details


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Forced confessions aren't admissible in court.

Flynn committed no crime.

To accuse him of being anything other than a victim of a tyrannical political hit job is itself un-American.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

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Friday, May 15, 2020 8:09 PM

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SignyM: So YOU'RE willing to agree with Trump and Pence?


CC: So YOU'RE not? I'm not the crusader for Flynn - you are.

I've never believed Trump. I'm not about "believing" anyone or anything. And I've never agreed globally with Trump. I thought I've made that clear, ever since he started running for president. To insinuate otherwise is just your standard lying.

But the things that you criticize Trump for are bullshit: Russia!Russia! Ukrainegate. Racism. Kavanaugh. Flynn. It's all utter bullshit, made up whole cloth by the deep state and brought to you by the ever-compliant M$M. Just because I criticize people for believing obvious falsehoods doesn't mean I'm defending Trump.

Why don't you ever criticize Trump for something real, like his inability to withdraw troops from the Mideast, or his reliance on The Fed (which is the biggest driver of wealth inequality in the USA) and the stock market bubble, or the deficits?

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Pleading guilty happens with a lot of people who can't match the resources of the prosecutors. They plead guilty because they don't have the resources to get real justice with a real trial and real jury and especially a real defense. It's not exactly a secret.

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Flynn’s original FD-302 is so important, the Special Counsel had to leak a prosecution threat against Flynn’s son just to avoid turning it over to his original lawyers Covington

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Why don't you ever criticize Trump for something real, like his inability to withdraw troops from the Mideast, or his reliance on The Fed (which is the biggest driver of wealth inequality in the USA) and the stock market bubble, or the deficits?

Why blame Trump for what he does not have complete or nearly complete control over? For example he has no control over what goes into the budget, but he can and has been an ass by not signing bills and thereby causing government shutdowns. One example:
www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529

Trump does NOT have control over treaties negotiated by previous Presidents but he has complete control over negotiations for new nuclear treaties with Russia and Iran. What happened? He let them expire and there is nothing Congress or Obama can do about it.
www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/politics/nuclear-treaty-inf-us-withdraws-russia
/index.html

www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USRussiaNuclearAgreements

Trump has little control over what civil servants say about Covid-19, but Trump has complete control over what he says about it and he has been a dithering ass:
https://couriernewsroom.com/2020/04/18/59-worst-lies-trump-told-corona
virus-past-month
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Taibbi: Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties


Pundits are cheering. A trio of former law enforcement and judicial officials saluted Sullivan in the Washington Post, chirping, “The Flynn case isn’t over until a judge says it’s over.” Yuppie icon Jeffrey Toobin of CNN and the New Yorker, one of the #Resistance crowd’s favored legal authorities, described Sullivan’s appointment of Judge John Gleeson as “brilliant.” MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner said Americans owe Sullivan a “debt of gratitude.”

One had to search far and wide to find a non-conservative legal analyst willing to say the obvious, i.e. that Sullivan’s decision was the kind of thing one would expect from a judge in Belarus. George Washington University professor Jonathan Turley was one of the few willing to say Sullivan’s move could “could create a threat of a judicial charge even when prosecutors agree with defendants.”

Whatever one’s opinion of Flynn, his relations with Turkey, his “Lock her up!” chants, his haircut, or anything, this case was never about much. There’s no longer pretense that prosecution would lead to the unspooling of a massive Trump-Russia conspiracy, as pundits once breathlessly expected. In fact, news that Flynn was cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller inspired many of the “Is this the beginning of the end for Trump?” stories that will someday fill whole chapters of Journalism Fucks Up 101 textbooks.

The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence.

In a secrets-laundering maneuver straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook, some bright person first illegally leaked classified details to David Ignatius at the Washington Post, then agents rushed to interview Flynn about the “news.”

A Laurel-and-Hardy team of agents conducted the interview, then took three weeks to write and re-write multiple versions of the interview notes used as evidence (because why record it?). They were supervised by a counterintelligence chief who then memorialized on paper his uncertainty over whether the FBI was trying to “get him to lie” or “get him fired,” worrying that they’d be accused of “playing games.” After another leak to the Washington Post in early February, 2017, Flynn actually was fired, and later pleaded guilty to lying about sanctions in the Kislyak call, the transcript of which was of course never released to either the defense or the public.

Warrantless surveillance, multiple illegal leaks of classified information, a false statements charge constructed on the razor’s edge of Miranda, and the use of never-produced, secret counterintelligence evidence in a domestic criminal proceeding – this is the “rule of law” we’re being asked to cheer.


https://taibbi.substack.com/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-democrats-have-abandoned-ci
vil-liberties


I have to disagree with Taibbi on this one. Any pretense the democrats had at being pro civil liberties evaporated with the PATRIOT Act.

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It's just gonna get worse from here on out for the Democrats.

Hold onto your butts.





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Wednesday, June 10, 2020 7:52 PM

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Michael Flynn case: Justice Department actions are 'a gross abuse of prosecutorial power,' court-appointed lawyer says

The court-appointed lawyer John Gleeson also argued that Flynn should be sentenced for lying, including for perjuring himself in court for admitting his crimes then disavowing them.

Gleeson, looking at Flynn's full case record, reasoned that the Justice Department's recent support of Flynn is so politically advantageous to President Donald Trump and atypical for prosecutors, it's undermined the public's trust in the rule of law.

"The facts surrounding the filing of the Government's motion constitute clear evidence of gross prosecutorial abuse. They reveal an unconvincing effort to disguise as legitimate a decision to dismiss that is based solely on the fact that Flynn is a political ally of President Trump," Gleeson wrote to US District Judge Emmet Sullivan on Wednesday.

The Justice Department "abdicated that responsibility" to prosecute defendants without fear or favor, Gleeson wrote, by "attempting to provide special treatment to a favored friend and political ally of the President of the United States," capturing what many critics of Attorney General William Barr and Trump, especially in the legal community, have alleged.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-flynn-case-justice-dep
artment-actions-are-a-gross-abuse-of-prosecutorial-power-court-appointed-lawyer-says/ar-BB15ja34?ocid=msedgntp


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Bolton claims Trump asked China to help him win re-election


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Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:08 AM

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SO, to recap the Flynn case ...

Flynn was maneuvered by the FIB into misstating his conversations with Russian ambassador. Their plan was to either get him to admit he had discussed sanctions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, or force him to lie. He did not say that he didn't discuss sanctions with Kislyak, only that he didn't remember if he had.

The FIB who were interviewing him at the time believed that HE believed he was telling the truth. Nonetheless, they pressure Flynn into pleading guilty by swarming him with an army of lawyers and threatening his son, withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense, and engaged in other prosecutorial misconduct.

When this internal FIB collusion was discovered via handwritten notes, and the exculpatory evidence unearthed by Flynn's new legal team, the DOJ withdrew its case.

The Judge hearing the case, Emmett Sullivan, refused to dismiss the case and instead appointed what was, in essence, ANOTHER prosecutor, Gleeson. This is so far outside of Constitutional authority of any judge- whose duty it is to rule on the procedural fairness of a trial and sentencing, not to act as either prosecutor or defense- that Sullivan himself hired his own lawyer to defend his own actions.

Since Gleeson (a private practice lawyer) was hired to, in essence, re-prosecute the case, he did what he was hired to do and made the strongest possible argument, not only arguing that Flynn should be jailed for the original crime (which he did not commit) but also that he should be jailed for perjury because he falsely plead guilty.

Now, in order to realize how fucked up this is, you have to understand that since Flynn had not been accused of, tried for, or found guilty of perjury, Gleeson is recommending that someone be sentenced for a crime that has has not even been tried, so there is no due process. This would be an extremely dangerous precedent a perversion of justice, and a reversal of all of the Constitutional protections that are supposed to be afforded ANYONE who is accused of a crime. Also, this would mean that ANYONE having been pressured to plead guilty who then attempts to reverse the plea would be considered to have committed perjury.


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Flynn's lawyers accuse outside counsel of 'flagrant personal and partisan assault'
By Harper Neidig - 06/17/20 02:09 PM EDT


Flynn's lawyers accuse outside counsel of 'flagrant personal and partisan assault'
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Michael Flynn's lawyers on Wednesday accused a former federal judge appointed to argue against the Department of Justice's (DOJ) effort to drop its charges against the former national security adviser of engaging in a "flagrant personal and partisan assault."

John Gleeson, who was tapped to serve as an amicus to offer a counter-argument against the DOJ's unusual reversal, last week urged the court not to allow the DOJ to drop the charges and accused Flynn of perjury.

"The irony and sheer duplicity of Amicus’s accusations against the Justice Department now—which is finally exposing the truth—is stunning," Flynn's lawyers wrote in a court filing. "Amicus’s filing is a 'wrap-up smear.' It is an affront to the Rule of Law and a raging insult to the citizens of this country who see the abject corruption in this assassination by political prosecution of General Flynn. This court exuviated any appearance of neutrality when it unlawfully appointed Amicus as its own adversary to make these scurrilous arguments."


Gleeson, through a spokesman, declined to comment.

Gleeson, who is now in private practice, laid out his case last week against the DOJ's surprising move to withdraw its charges. He accused the department of "gross abuse of prosecutorial power" in seeking to help President Trump's political ally and argued that Judge Emmet Sullivan is within his authority to reject the move.

The DOJ also pushed back against Gleeson's arguments on Wednesday, saying that Sullivan is obligated by law to approve the motion to withdraw the charge that Flynn lied to the FBI about his communications with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. in late 2016.

"The Constitution vests in the Executive Branch the power to decide when—and when not—to prosecute potential crimes," the DOJ argued.

Flynn's legal team has asked the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to intervene in the case and order Sullivan to accept the DOJ's motion to drop charges. They argued that Sullivan does not have the authority to appoint Gleeson to act as an amicus in the case.

And they accused Gleeson of being "the most-biased amicus," pointing to a Washington Post op-ed he published just before his appointment in which he suggested that "improper political influence" played a role in the decision to drop charges against Flynn.

After hearing oral arguments last week, the D.C. Circuit is expected to issue a decision at some point in the near future about whether Sullivan can proceed with deliberating over the DOJ's motion.

In the meantime, Sullivan has scheduled oral arguments over the motion for July 16.



IMHO partisan hacks are dragging out what should be an automatic dismissal of a malicious prosecution so that Flynn can't participate in the Trump campaign.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:19 AM

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THUGR: John Bolt-on is a liar.

He lied about Saddam's WMD.
He lied about Cuba. (He accused them of developing advanced chemical weapons to use against the USA.)
He lied to Trump about N Korea and botched negotiations on purpose.

And he SAID he would lie to the American public in an interview on FOX News.

He is known to be a vindictive man who would bully, harass, intimidate, and defame anyone who crossed him, and considering how he's lied in the past, why believe anything that he writes now?

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John Bolton’s bombshell Trump book: eight of its most stunning claims

1. Trump pleaded with China to help win the 2020 election
According to the excerpt of Bolton’s book published by the Wall Street Journal, Trump asked China to use its economic power to help him win a second election.

In one instance, Trump and President Xi Jinping were discussing hostility to China in the US. “Trump then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming US presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. I would print Trump’s exact words, but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”

2. Trump suggested he was open to serving more than two terms
In another eye-opening exchange published in the Wall Street Journal, Trump also seems to support Xi’s idea of eliminating presidential term limits. “Xi said he wanted to work with Trump for six more years, and Trump replied that people were saying that the two-term constitutional limit on presidents should be repealed for him,” Bolton writes. “Xi said the US had too many elections, because he didn’t want to switch away from Trump, who nodded approvingly.”

3. Trump offered favors to dictators
Bolton’s book reportedly details cases where Trump tried to kill criminal investigations as favors to dictators. One incident published in the Washington Post includes a 2018 discussion with the Turkish president, Recep Erdogan. Bolton says Erdogan gave Trump a memo claiming that a Turkish firm under investigation in the US was innocent. “Trump then told Erdogan he would take care of things, explaining that the southern district prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.”

4. Trump praised President Xi for China’s concentration camps
According to Bolton, Trump was also approving when Xi defended China’s internment of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps. “According to our interpreter,” Bolton writes, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do.” According to leaked Communist party documents published in November, at least 1 million Uighur Muslims are detained in the camps.

5. Trump defended Saudi Arabia to distract from a story about Ivanka
Trump made headlines in November 2018 when he released a bizarre statement defending the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman over the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. It included lines such as “The world is a very dangerous place!” and “maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!”

According to Bolton’s book, making headlines was the point. A story about his daughter Ivanka using her personal email for government business was also in the news at the time. After waging war on Hilary Clinton during the 2016 campaign for doing the same thing, Trump need a distraction.

“This will divert from Ivanka,” Trump reportedly said. “If I read the statement in person, that will take over the Ivanka thing.”

6. Trump’s top staff mocked him behind his back
From what has been reported, it sounds like Bolton’s book provides one of the clearest insights into the despair of Trump’s top officials behind the scenes.

In one example given by the New York Times, Bolton claims he received a note from the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, after Trump’s 2018 meeting with North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, simply saying, “He is so full of s**t.” On top of this, Pompeo also allegedly said a month later that Trump’s diplomatic efforts with North Korea had “zero probability of success”.

7. Trump thought Finland was part of Russia
Bolton’s book reportedly details some giant holes in Trump’s knowledge. In one instance, Bolton says Trump didn’t seem to know basic knowledge about the UK, asking its former prime minister Theresa May: “Oh, are you a nuclear power?”. On top of this, he also alleges that Trump once asked if Finland was part of Russia, and repeatedly mixed up the current and former presidents of Afghanistan.

8. Trump thought it would be ‘cool’ to invade Venezuela
According to the Washington Post, Bolton claims Trump said invading Venezuela would be “cool”, and that the country was “really part of the United States”.

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SO, to recap the Flynn case ...

Let's recap: you are a Russian Troll, Signym.

On December 29, 2016, then-President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. Incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn called Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and asked Russia not to escalate the situation in response to the sanctions. The following day, Putin announced that Russia would not take retaliatory measures in response to the sanctions at that time. Hours later, President-Elect Trump tweeted, “Great move on delay (by V. Putin).” The next day, on December 31, 2016, Kislyak called Flynn and told him the request had been received at the highest levels and Russia had chosen not to retaliate as a result of Flynn’s request.

Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project.

From the Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election
Volume I of II
Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III
www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:15 PM

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T

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John Bolton’s bombshell Trump book: eight of its most stunning claims
Only one of which can be verified.

Anybody can claim anything. Bolt-on wrote passionately about Saddam's WMD, and Cuba's WMD program. Madcow spoke passionately... and continuously!... about collusion which never happened. The NYT published endless column-inches about a "dossier" which was a complete joke, and about how Russia "hacked" our elections which never happened.

But THUGR believed every single piece of garbage, and apparently STILL hasn't figured out that political, deep state, media figures lie- and lie shamelessly - because he still believes liars.

What a dupe.

Hey, THUGR: The Mueller "investagation" is still over, and there was STILL no collusion. So wrap your head around THAT before you promulgate more hype and hysteria.



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Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:20 PM

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DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah

FIFY

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND

DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah

FIFY

Hey Russian Troll: Besides some other major crimes, Flynn got caught in a very minor crime: talking on the phone to the Russian ambassador. In exchange for cooperation with Mueller's investigation of Russian interference with the 2016 election, Flynn was only charged with lying about that phone call. But Trump thinks he and Attorney General Barr can free Flynn of that minor charge without using a Presidential Pardon. Maybe they can. If the judge does sentence Flynn, maybe Trump will use a pardon on Flynn. Who knows? Certainly not Trump. He is too stupid to plan 180 days ahead. Ask John Bolton's staff about how dumb Trump is. They will give you an earful: https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1273347802026979328

Dec 18, 2018 - Here's what Michael Flynn has admitted
www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html


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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:02 PM

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Hey SERIAL DEFAMER: TALKING WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR IS NOT A CRIME.

You're such a liar. You have NO PROBLEM spreading lies, including lies about me.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND

DEFAMATION ... blah blah blah ... Russia ... blah blah bah... Trump .... blah blah blah

FIFY

Hey Russian Troll: Besides some other major crimes, Flynn got caught in a very minor crime: talking on the phone to the Russian ambassador. In exchange for cooperation with Mueller's investigation of Russian interference with the 2016 election, Flynn was only charged with lying about that phone call. But Trump thinks he and Attorney General Barr can free Flynn of that minor charge without using a Presidential Pardon. Maybe they can. If the judge does sentence Flynn, maybe Trump will use a pardon on Flynn. Who knows? Certainly not Trump. He is too stupid to plan 180 days ahead. Ask John Bolton's staff about how dumb Trump is. They will give you an earful: https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1273347802026979328

Dec 18, 2018 - Here's what Michael Flynn has admitted
www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



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Hey second. I think you've upset sig the Russian troll.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:17 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECONDRATE, being a rich guy, has no issues spending money on private investigators. He knows for a fact that I'm not a "Russian troll".

But THUGR, being the idiot that he is, believes people who lie to him.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:26 PM

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Second, I think I've pissed off sig the russian troll.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:38 PM

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Second, I think I've pissed off sig the russian troll.

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Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:40 PM

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Facebook removed some of Trumps posts because they violate their policy concerning the spread of hate speech. This means Facebook claims Trump is spreading hate.

Who knew, tick tock

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hey SERIAL DEFAMER: TALKING WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR IS NOT A CRIME.

You're such a liar. You have NO PROBLEM spreading lies, including lies about me.

Your answer reveals that you are a Russian Troll. And you're as stupid as Trump: FBI's interview with Flynn, revealing what exactly the former national security adviser lied about.

Flynn told the FBI that in his conversations with Kislyak during the presidential transition, he did not attempt to influence Russia's vote on a UN Security Council resolution concerning Israeli settlements. He admitted in his charging document in Mueller's case that a senior member of the Trump transition team directed him to contact Kislyak to learn where Russia stood and urge them to vote against the resolution. Stupid Signym, do you understand the contradiction between what Flynn told the FBI and what Flynn actually did on the phone?

Flynn also told the FBI that he did not ask Kislyak to refrain from escalating tensions in response to steps taken by Barack Obama over Moscow's election meddling, which included expelling alleged Russian spies and closing two Russian diplomatic compounds in the U.S. Flynn later admitted that, acting on behalf of a senior member of Trump's transition team, he contacted Kislyak to ask that Russia show restraint. Vladimir Putin ultimately elected not to escalate the situation, a move Trump called "very smart." Stupid Signym, do you understand the contradiction between what Flynn told the FBI and what Flynn actually did on the phone?

Though he admitted to violating lobbying laws by failing to register as a foreign agent on behalf of Turkey for hundreds of thousands of dollars of consulting work, Flynn was not charged for those crimes and has attempted to receive leniency from the Mueller investigation by offering extensive cooperation. Two of his former business associates have now been indicted for their work on Turkey.Signym, you're a dimwit and a Russian Troll.

www.axios.com/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-kislyak-russia-turkey-8d185a76
-980c-4d6b-8fe6-daa712b3da78.html


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