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Since the COVID-19 outbreak began to pick up steam in China in January, experts have been scrambling to get a handle on the disease and the way it behaves. But they have also warned that estimates are not exact, and that numbers are likely to shift over time. One key reason: people with milder versions of the illness are underrepresented in official case counts, since they may not be sick enough to seek medical attention or realize they have anything more than a cold. Some people, research now suggests, may get infected by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, without showing any symptoms at all.

That means the total number of reported cases is very likely an underestimate—and by not counting many mild or asymptomatic cases, we’re likely overestimating the disease’s overall mortality rate.

In the U.S., where only seven tests have been administered per million residents, the mortality rate is above 5%.

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I look very much forward to telling you I told you so.

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lol

Only idiots panic without first looking at the bigger picture.

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Even if it isn't more deadly, it has the capacity to infect a whole lot more people... by a factor of several thousand ... so even an "inconsequnetial" flu can cause a lot of death if it infects a lot of people. -January 26

I recall the swine flu that wasn't. SARS, tho deadly, apparently mutated to a less virulent form. But apparently the R-naught of this virus is extraordinarily high, which means that even if it's not a "killer" virus an awful lot of ppl will get sick and some of them will die. I intend to wear a mask as well - January 26

One thing he did mention many times is that there are only a limited number of test kits... in his estimation, each hospital is getting only 100 kits per day, and that the hospitals are EXTREMELY reluctant to test people if they don't believe that the patient is seriously sick with flu.

IF TRUE, that does a couple of things ... it reduces the total number of diagnosed patients. At the same time, it drastically increases the measured death rate [case fatality rate], since asymptomatic/ mildly symptomatic people would never be tested positive. The only way to get a true death rate [case fatality rate] is near-universal testing of at least one sub-population. - January 31

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Even if it isn't more deadly, it has the capacity to infect a whole lot more people... by a factor of several thousand ... so even an "inconsequnetial" flu can cause a lot of death if it infects a lot of people. -January 26

I recall the swine flu that wasn't. SARS, tho deadly, apparently mutated to a less virulent form. But apparently the R-naught of this virus is extraordinarily high, which means that even if it's not a "killer" virus an awful lot of ppl will get sick and some of them will die. I intend to wear a mask as well - January 26

One thing he did mention many times is that there are only a limited number of test kits... in his estimation, each hospital is getting only 100 kits per day, and that the hospitals are EXTREMELY reluctant to test people if they don't believe that the patient is seriously sick with flu.

IF TRUE, that does a couple of things ... it reduces the total number of diagnosed patients. At the same time, it drastically increases the measured death rate [case fatality rate], since asymptomatic/ mildly symptomatic people would never be tested positive. The only way to get a true death rate [case fatality rate] is near-universal testing of at least one sub-population. - January 31

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These were my posts # 2,3, and 4 on the topic.

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I have been -literally- posting about the lack of testing and its effect on case fatality rate since January. So, it looks like Time magazine finally caught up with ME.

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But the reality is, it doesn't matter what the "case fatality rate" is. When bodies start stacking up in refrigerated trucks and ice rinks (in the USA, btw) because there isn't enough room for them, the death rate is just too damn high.

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SIGNY: Even if it isn't more deadly, it has the capacity to infect a whole lot more people... by a factor of several thousand ... so even an "inconsequnetial" flu can cause a lot of death if it infects a lot of people. -January 26

I recall the swine flu that wasn't. SARS, tho deadly, apparently mutated to a less virulent form. But apparently the R-naught of this virus is extraordinarily high, which means that even if it's not a "killer" virus an awful lot of ppl will get sick and some of them will die. I intend to wear a mask as well - January 26

One thing he did mention many times is that there are only a limited number of test kits... in his estimation, each hospital is getting only 100 kits per day, and that the hospitals are EXTREMELY reluctant to test people if they don't believe that the patient is seriously sick with flu.

IF TRUE, that does a couple of things ... it reduces the total number of diagnosed patients. At the same time, it drastically increases the measured death rate [case fatality rate], since asymptomatic/ mildly symptomatic people would never be tested positive. The only way to get a true death rate [case fatality rate] is near-universal testing of at least one sub-population. - January 31

These were my posts # 2,3, and 4 on the topic.

SIX: Then why are you letting your animal brain succumb to the panic the same Legacy Media who has been lying to you for years has been successfully instilling in millions of people who bent knee almost immediately to our government because of fear?

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SIGNY: I have been -literally- posting about the lack of testing and its effect on case fatality rate since January. So, it looks like Time magazine finally caught up with ME.

SIX: You just gave an example of three posts since January.

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Every day I've made this point.

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SIGNY: But the reality is, it doesn't matter what the "case fatality rate" is. When bodies start stacking up in refrigerated trucks and ice rinks (in the USA, btw) because there isn't enough room for them, the death rate is just too damn high]

SIX: I don't see any reason to fear that's going to happen.

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A county just north of Detroit is scouting ice rinks to store dead bodies in if morgues run out of space

Kelly McLaughlinApr 16, 2020, 21:56 IST

Oakland County's Medical Examiner's Office is holding bodies of COVID-19 victims in its morgue, and is looking at ice rinks as a "last resort."
Michigan has seen a surge in COVID-19 deaths in recent weeks, and hospitals in the metro-Detroit area are facing capacity problems.
Many hospitals and morgues in metro Detroit are already using refrigerated trucks to store bodies, but they're becoming overrun.

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We already know there are tests done where they're now suspecting that up to 80 times as many people have had it and were never counted because they were not sick.

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What none of these tests show, however, is what the case would be in New York state, and in particular New York city. They're so far ahead of the curve that it it completely disingenuous to apply any of their numbers to the rest of the states in the country as a whole.

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A prolonged shutdown could bring tens of thousands of deaths through spikes in rates of suicide, heart attack, missed cancer diagnoses, domestic violence deaths, substance abuse, and more. We have evidence that these deaths are coming, and the shutdown is only a month old.

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NYC is "doing fine"?
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If Half the Country's Deaths Were in Montana, Would New York Shut Down?

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If Half the Country's Deaths Were in Montana, Would New York Shut Down?

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If... if... if...

If Montana had the same population density... and the same international traffic... and and and... then it would be New York. New York would still be New York though.

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If... if... if...

If Montana had the same population density... and the same international traffic... and and and... then it would be New York. New York would still be New York though.

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I ain't the guy you have to worry about, buddy.

My life hasn't changed all that much, and I'm not worried about where my next meal is coming from. I've really got no reason to make a stink other than pointing out where everybody is fucking up.

But the civil disobedience has begun, and it's only going to grow the longer this goes on.

Fun times ahead. Bring your popcorn.

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If Montana had the same population density... and the same international traffic... and and and... then it would be New York. New York would still be New York though.

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I ain't the guy you have to worry about, buddy.

My life hasn't changed all that much, and I'm not worried about where my next meal is coming from. I've really got no reason to make a stink other than pointing out where everybody is fucking up.

But the civil disobedience has begun, and it's only going to grow the longer this goes on.

Fun times ahead. Bring your popcorn.

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Still not convinced that you know how a virus works.

I missed where you said Trump was f*cking up. Yanno, getting his idiot followers to think they are empowered by him to go out and shoot up the town, hill jack style - especially in states with Dem governors.

Actually, never mind. He sent them out to rally with each other where they'll coof all over each other - problem solved, civil unrest taken care of. I can even imagine them going into the ICU and b*tching at the nurses, "Hoax! Don't touch me!" The only way to shut them up is to stick a hose down their throats - hope they leave the machines off.

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Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

We know from decades of medical science that infection itself allows people to generate an immune response – antibodies – so that the infection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity.” Indeed, that is the main purpose of widespread immunization in other viral diseases — to assist with population immunity. In this virus, we know that medical care is not even necessary for the vast majority of people who are infected. It is so mild that half of infected people are asymptomatic, shown in early data from the Diamond Princess ship, and then in Iceland and Italy. That has been falsely portrayed as a problem requiring mass isolation. In fact, infected people without severe illness are the immediately available vehicle for establishing widespread immunity. By transmitting the virus to others in the low-risk group who then generate antibodies, they block the network of pathways toward the most vulnerable people, ultimately ending the threat. Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.

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But the civil disobedience has begun ...

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But the civil disobedience has begun ...

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No ... not really. It's not a spontaneous mass uprising of unhappy citizens. It's being organized by political groups with a political agenda who are getting their comparatively few followers together, and egged on by Trump. Because that's Trump's Hail Mary pass to get out of the mess he created.

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But yanno, if after a referendum, of course - because this is a democracy - the good people of any state decide they want to throw the doors open, I say more power to them! Just as long as they don't go begging the federal government for medical aid later.

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436 deaths in NYC yesterday. Back on the 11th, we had celebrated 5 straight days of 700+ deaths.

There is no man-made "curve flattening" happening here. It's impossible in the City, and any attempt to do so was far too late.

New Yorkers literally live on top of each other in the City. Hardly any of them drive cars and use public transit. 25% of deaths in NYC were in old folks homes.

Based off of antibody testing and projections, it is very, very likely that 100% of New York City dwellers have been infected with The Coomph.

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https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the
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Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.

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You either are Russian, Karen, or somebody has given you a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

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Fuck your links, Sigs.

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You either are Russian, Karen, or somebody has given you a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

SIGNY: And when you have to reort to a libel that EVEN YOU know is untrue, you have totally lost the argument.

SIX: How do I know it's untrue?
If you're not Russian, don't act like a Russian

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But yanno, if after a referendum, of course - because this is a democracy - the good people of any state decide they want to throw the doors open, I say more power to them! Just as long as they don't go begging the federal government for medical aid later.

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You either are Russian, Karen, or somebody has given you a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

SIGNY: And when you have to reort to a libel that EVEN YOU know is untrue, you have totally lost the argument.

SIX: How do I know it's untrue?
If you're not Russian, don't act like a Russian

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ow do I know it's untrue?

If you're not Russian, don't act like a Russian.

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SIX: And, BTW... not libel. I dare Karen to take any of us to court on that one.

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But yanno, if after a referendum, of course - because this is a democracy - the good people of any state decide they want to throw the doors open, I say more power to them! Just as long as they don't go begging the federal government for medical aid later.

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SIX:
You either are Russian, Karen, or somebody has given you a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

SIGNY: And when you have to reort to a libel that EVEN YOU know is untrue, you have totally lost the argument.

SIX: How do I know it's untrue?
If you're not Russian, don't act like a Russian

SIGNY: And here is ISX doubling down in libel because he's lost the thread of the argument.

SIX: And, BTW... not libel. I dare Karen to take any of us to court on that one.

SIGNY: And here is SIX saying that his lies aren't lies until someone takes him to court.

SIX: Nope.
Here's 6ix saying that Karen's libel claims have been bullshit for years. I've never once wavered on that one.

You can take anybody to court about anything. It's not libel until she takes somebody to court and wins, which will never happen here. We don't use our real names, and nobody knows who we are. You can't libel a blog handle on a website that has 8 regular posters. Fuck Karen and her lawsuits.

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Maybe you can explain how an American state, like Georgia, reopening in the midst of COVID-19 is responsible for mass graves anywhere foreign on the planet.


arbeit macht frei - right Jack?

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You either are Russian, Karen, or somebody has given you a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

SIGNY: And when you have to reort to a libel that EVEN YOU know is untrue, you have totally lost the argument.

SIX: How do I know it's untrue?
If you're not Russian, don't act like a Russian

SIGNY: And here is ISX doubling down in libel because he's lost the thread of the argument.

SIX: And, BTW... not libel. I dare Karen to take any of us to court on that one.

SIGNY: And here is SIX saying that his lies aren't lies until someone takes him to court.

SIX: Nope.
Here's 6ix saying that Karen's libel claims have been bullshit for years. I've never once wavered on that one.

You can take anybody to court about anything. It's not libel until she takes somebody to court and wins, which will never happen here. We don't use our real names, and nobody knows who we are. You can't libel a blog handle on a website that has 8 regular posters. Fuck Karen and her lawsuits.

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HEY, I can do this all day! As long as you keep posting made-up non-facts, lies, libel, faux concern, insults, and non-sequitors I can keep pointing it out!

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kiki - But yanno, if after a referendum, of course - because this is a democracy - the good people of any state decide they want to throw the doors open, I say more power to them! Just as long as they don't go begging the federal government for medical aid later.

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JACK: That's good. Maybe we can put that on the headstones of he mass graves for the hundreds of millions of people in 3rd world countries who could barely feed themselves when Western civilization was up and running and subsidizing their entire lives.

You are partly to blame for that when it happens.

Have a nice day, Karen.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Even if it were, you apparently missed the "OR" part. Jury is still out on whether or not Karen had a lobotomy in the last 6 weeks.

I'm starting to wonder about you too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Maybe you can explain how an American state, like Georgia, reopening in the midst of COVID-19 is responsible for mass graves anywhere foreign on the planet.

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What the fuck are you talking about, Karen.

I'm talking about the entire world economy being shut down because people like you are terrified about getting a cold.

I made it VERY clear that there are hundreds of millions of people starving in third world countries on the very best days of the world economy, despite the fact that they get a rediculous amount of free shit from developed nations in the Western world.

The same Western World that still can't find a fucking roll of toilet paper on the shelves most days.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Maybe you're pulling that famous rhetorical trick, citing a fictitious authority when the source of the opinion is .... your ass?

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Oh, and BTW I did get sidetracked by your tag team this morning...


NYC deaths in the previous 24 hour period as per Johns Hopkins was down to 182. Less than 200. Quite a bit less than 50% of the prior day's 436.


It was at 14,892 yesterday and only 15,074 this morning.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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signy: Now, here's my interpretation ...based on snippets of anecdotes, like the hotshot doctor in Bellevue posted by KIKI and SECOND, and the random serological study done in Massachesetts (which I heard about on Peak Prosperity but can find NO published reference online) I personally would not be surprised if the infection rate in NYC is in the mid-double digits. Maybe 40%, possibly higher. But I think NYC still has a ways to go in terms of deaths.

six: OKAY. And toward the top of this thread somewhere buried in trolling is my interpretation.

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SIGNY: Even studies with HIGH FALSE POSITIVE RATES don't show anywhere near double-digit infection rates, much less 50%+.-

SIX: But Johns Hopkins shows pretty unimpressive death toll numbers in NYC given the severe overreaction of our nation and that of developed nations all over the world. That's just as true even at 40% or 50% as it is at 100% infection rate.

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SIGNY: The high death rate, the overwhelmed hospital, overflowing morgues and mass graves is what social distancing is meant to avoid. ... I know, I know, you jonesing for mass death so you can "come into your own".

SIX: I don't know what that means. You're putting it in quotes, but I never said those words.

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