CDC / Johns Hopkins Data - Confirmed Cases vs. Deaths in the US (Meant to be upbeat, but admittedly not for those with weak stomachs) by 6IXSTRINGJACK

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.ht
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https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

3/19/2020: (Thursday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases: 10,442
Deaths: 150
Mortality Rate: 1.437%

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases: 10,775
Deaths: 154
Mortality Rate: 1.429%
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 1,232
Deaths due to the Flu: 82
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 102
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3/20/2020: (Friday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases: 15,219
Deaths: 201
Mortality Rate: 1.320%

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases: 18,563
Deaths: 227
Mortality Rate: 1.222%
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 2,464
Deaths due to the Flu: 164
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 204
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3/21/2020: (Saturday)
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CDC [NO UPDATES ON THE WEEKEND]
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Confirmed Cases: (See: Monday)
Deaths: (See: Monday)
Mortality Rate: (See: Monday)

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases: 25,493
Deaths: 307
Mortality Rate: 1.204%
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 3,696
Deaths due to the Flu: 246
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 306
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3/22/2020: (Sunday)
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CDC [NO UPDATES ON THE WEEKEND]
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Confirmed Cases: (See Monday)
Deaths: (See Monday)
Mortality Rate: (See Monday)

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases: 33,276
Deaths: 417
Mortality Rate: 1.253%
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 4,928
Deaths due to the Flu: 328
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 408
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3/23/2020: (Monday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases: 33,404
Deaths: 400
Mortality Rate: 1.197%

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JOHNS HOPKINS @ 6:30PM CST
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Confirmed Cases: 43,214
Deaths: 533
Mortality Rate: 1.233%
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 6,160
Deaths due to the Flu: 410
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 510
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3/24/2020: (Tuesday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 7,392
Deaths due to the Flu: 492
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 612
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3/25/2020: (Wednesday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 8,624
Deaths due to the Flu: 574
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 714
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3/26/2020: (Thursday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:
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DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 9,856
Deaths due to the Flu: 656
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 816
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3/27/2020: (Friday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:
_________________________________________________
DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 11,088
Deaths due to the Flu: 738
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 918
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3/28/2020: (Saturday)
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CDC
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:

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JOHNS HOPKINS
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Confirmed Cases:
Deaths:
Mortality Rate:
_________________________________________________
DAILY TALLY OF OTHER CAUSES OF DEATH SINCE TRACKING BEGAN:
(Based on daily historical averages in the US)
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Deaths due to Smoking Related Illnesses: 12,320
Deaths due to the Flu: 820
Deaths due to Fatal Automobile Accidents: 1,020
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* Mortality Rate rounded to the third decimal.

** Numbers for Johns Hopkins are not recorded day by day and all you get is the final up-to-date tally just like at the CDC. In order to go back and get the results for JH on 3/19, I had to go to the internet archive here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200319180044/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/

Feel completely free to poison the rest of this thread with bullshit comments, but I'm going to post up-to-date comparisons every day the CDC and Johns Hopkins puts new results for people who care about facts over feels. Both the CDC and Johns Hopkins, at least so far, are not showing a history by days and is only showing the current totals, so this should be useful information and a quick reference without having to do daily internet archive searches, and over time it should only grow in usefulness as we try to fend off cabin fever.

I expect this to truly put the issue into perspective for everyone as the weeks go by and more people are tested. My belief is that as the testing really starts rolling out across the country the Mortality Rate will drop significantly, hopefully to levels as low as the flu or even lower. (Flu rate currently at .1%)

For additional perspective, I've also added a few lines for other causes of death in the US that will be updated along side these numbers every day. These numbers will be based off of daily averages of yearly numbers for the cause of death and are easily verifiable with a Google search. These numbers do not reflect actual daily counts, and yes, I do realize that both the Flu and Automobile numbers are likely to decrease while everybody is on lockdown. I simply put the most recent daily averages on record (from years 2018-2019) for perspective.

So hey, if I'm wrong about everything and we're all going to die, we can watch me be even more wrong every day. Win/win for everyone.

What I'd like to see reported that doesn't seem to be reported now as well is the amount of people who have just flat out tested negative. I don't understand why those numbers don't seem to be available anywhere right now.

EDIT: I added the Johns Hopkins numbers up daily at Kiki's request.

The CDC, as of now, is only updating these numbers Monday-Friday. If Johns Hopkins decided that COVID-19 was important enough to pay the overtime necessary to staff the place 7 days a week, I'll post the weekend numbers as well.

EDIT 2: I will post any articles at the end of this here that back up my theory that the numbers will improve as more testing is done.

3/19/20:
The "Italy Anomaly" seems to have been more or less solved at this point. I'm not sure I'll have any stories that come out that are on par with the amount of relief this story should bring people until we start hearing the stories a few weeks from now when tons of people have been tested in the US and the numbers look better, but who knows.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/99-25-of-those-who-died-from-viru
s-had-other-illness-italy-says/ar-BB11mr4X

Quote:
According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.

Anybody who wasn't panicking and/or using panic to sell boner pills would have suspected this had they not been panicking and/or using panic to sell boner pills. Hell... people have been arguing in these forums over the Italy numbers here for days, and this article was already 1.5 days old when I found it late last night. I guess they're not talking about this on MSNBC and CNN, huh?

3/21/20:

Well... that didn't take long for even better news to come out. I think the idea of this article was to actually spread more panic about the apocalypse on the part of the Legacy Media, but if you have half a brain and read the important part and digest it for what it actually implies, it's actually potentially REALLY, REALLY good news for everyone.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-virus-toll-tops-4-000-aft
er-new-one-day-record/ar-BB11tDJ3?srcref=rss

Quote:
But Matteo Bassetti of Italy's prestigious San Martino clinic in Genoa said the government probably had no idea how many people really had the new disease.

"There are so many people walking around who have the virus and who are at risk of infecting others," Bassetti told Italy's AGI news agency.

"The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher."

Details about why posted on the latest comment on this thread. (Somewhere around NOON on 3/21, depending on your time zone).

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Friday, March 20, 2020 2:20 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.ht
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* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 REPORTED TO CDC OR TESTED AT CDC since January 21, 2020, with the EXCEPTION of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan.

STATE AND LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW TESTING AND PUBLICLY REPORTING THEIR OWN CASES. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, DATA REPORTED BY STATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE MOST UP TO DATE.

IN OTHER WORDS - JACKSHIT is using undercounts and old data.

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Friday, March 20, 2020 2:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.ht
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* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 REPORTED TO CDC OT TESTED at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the EXCEPTION of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. STATE AND LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW TESTING AND PUBLICLY REPORTING THEIR OWN CASES. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, DATA REPORTED BY STATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE MOST UP TO DATE.

IN OTHER WORDS - JACKSHIT is using undercounts and old data.

Show me a site that shows current verified counts.

The one you're citing does not verify anything about where it gets its information from.

Until there is something better, I'm going to believe the CDC over some flybynight website that could be put together by people in the Ukraine or China or Russia or wherever.

You'd be better off trusting CNN or MSNBC than the site you're providing information from.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 20, 2020 2:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by JACKSHIT:

Show me a site that shows current verified counts.

THERE ** IS NONE ** you donkey.

NOT EVEN THE CDC.

That's what happens when you have 50 independent health departments, no CDC reporting REQUIREMENT for COVID-19, and the CDC is only allowed to report whatever fits their narrow protocols ... if someone thinks to report it to them. THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT CDC DISCLAIMER about the limits of their data.

But JohnsHopkins - one of my links - has been tracking these things for a long time as part of their pandemic research. Maybe you've heard of JohnsHopkins? Or are you going to call them a fly-by-night organization with no credibility?

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Friday, March 20, 2020 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
THERE ** IS NONE ** you donkey.

Well then. I'm going to go with the CDC, who says that to the best of their ability they will keep up with any state testing that is made public as well as any of their own.

I'm okay with the fact that they may be a little behind. They're accurate and verified.

The longer this goes on, the better the numbers are going to look anyhow, so on any given day that they are behind the numbers are actually better than the CDC is reporting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 20, 2020 4:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
THERE ** IS NONE ** you donkey.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well then. I'm going to go with the CDC, who says that to the best of their ability they will keep up with any state testing that is made public as well as any of their own.

Not what they posted. Read it again. I even highlighted with important parts.

Quote:
nothing worth reading

fify

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Friday, March 20, 2020 4:15 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.ht
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* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 REPORTED TO CDC OR TESTED AT CDC since January 21, 2020, with the EXCEPTION of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan.

STATE AND LOCAL PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW TESTING AND PUBLICLY REPORTING THEIR OWN CASES. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, DATA REPORTED BY STATES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE MOST UP TO DATE.

IN OTHER WORDS - JACKSHIT is doubling down on using undercounts and old data.

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Friday, March 20, 2020 4:27 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
IN OTHER WORDS - JACKSHIT is doubling down on using undercounts and old data.

I admit, the John's Hopkins graphic is definitely the nicest looking. The CDC using "Old data?"

Interesting - then so is John's:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map-faq.html

What are the sources of data informing the dashboard?

The data sources include the World Health Organization, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control, the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China, local media reports, local health departments, and the DXY, one of the world’s largest online communities for physicians, health care professionals, pharmacies and facilities.

Personally, I think both of your sources are crap. Just raw numbers mean little without knowing age and health of the deceased, or any number of other factors (job, etc).

The John's H faq:

"Does the dashboard have data on age, gender, nationality, and other demographic information?

No."

Bupkis - can't learn much from either one imho.

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Friday, March 20, 2020 4:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

BTW, not only is the CDC data outdated - IT'S INCOMPLETE.

All the CDC reports is its own data. But ...

... There is NO REPORTING REQUIREMENT for state, local, or private reporting for COVID-19. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/reporting-pui.html All they tell people is that they 'should'. Do you know what 'should' means - legally? It means zip. When it's a requirement they use words like MUST, SHALL, WILL, and DO; or they simply use the action verb REPORT, as in State Health Departments REPORT.

JohnsHopkins OTOH compiles data from many sources, not JUST from the CDC.

And let me outline some of your other propaganda.

"The data sources include ..."

Do you know what the word INCLUDE means? It mean contains but is not limited to. They're tapping into many other source of information that they didn't happened to list specifically in that particular link.

From YOUR LINK are other US sources you - yanno - didn't underline.

Quote:
https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/
local media reports, local health departments

From MY link are other 'included' sources not mentioned in yours.

Quote:
https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/
For city level case reports in the U.S., Australia, and Canada, which we began reporting on February 1, we rely on the US CDC, Government of Canada, Australia Government Department of Health and various state or territory health authorities. All manual updates (outside mainland China) are coordinated by a team at JHU.

From THIS link JohnsHopkins states their data is

Quote:
https://www.tableau.com/covid-19-coronavirus-data-resources
timely, detailed, and trustworthy

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Friday, March 20, 2020 6:26 PM

lol.

And yet the data from both sources is almost identical.

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 20, 2020 6:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
JACKSHIT
lol.

And yet the data from both sources is almost identical.

*yawn*

JohnsHopkins
18,563

CDC
15,219 (-20%)

Yeah, what's a shortfall of 1 out of every 5?

THERE CAN NEVER BE TOO MANY DEAD PEOPLE !! Right, JACKSHIT?

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Friday, March 20, 2020 8:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SIX, you're being an idiot, AND a liar. That's something new for you. Try to regain your former intelligence, or at least your former honesty, m'kay?

CC, so are you. But you've always been a troll, so - nothing new there.

KIKI, calm down for god's sake. You can lead a horse to water ... yada yada ... you know the drill.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Friday, March 20, 2020 8:25 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I asked JACKSHIT twice at what point would it be a crisis. And basically he said - never. The more people that die, the better.

I'm not saying anything he hasn't avowed to already.

And the entire time I've been posting about this topic, JACKSHIT has made a point of being an ass to me, when I made a point of posting nothing but facts, keeping politics out of the discussion, and trying to hold reasonable, on-topic discussions.

Fuck him.

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Friday, March 20, 2020 8:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, yeah, fuck him. But just ignore him. Or if he crosses some sort of legal line, sue him. (BTW, it can be done with a "John Doe" lawsuit)

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Friday, March 20, 2020 9:19 PM

I hate to break it to you, but anybody who has seen the interactions between us here is going to laugh off any case brought against me.

But do have fun with that. You've got plenty of down time now. Maybe you can bring up the lawsuits against everyone else you've been quoting for years now and threatening with legal action.

And for the record, so everybody else knows, I have plenty of history here they can look up speaking out against such behavior on your part, even when we got along just fine and dandy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 20, 2020 9:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
JACKSHIT
lol.

And yet the data from both sources is almost identical.

*yawn*

JohnsHopkins
18,563

CDC
15,219 (-20%)

Yeah, what's a shortfall of 1 out of every 5?

THERE CAN NEVER BE TOO MANY DEAD PEOPLE !! Right, JACKSHIT?

Oh... OK. Cool.

We've got two numbers to choose from now.

But "there can never be too many dead people?" I dunno where you get that from your 18,563 number.

Compare that to the 227 dead number that Johns Hopkins also has put out along side the confirmed cases and you've got an even lower Mortality Rate of only 1.222%. Nearly a full .1% less than the CDC numbers from today.

I like your numbers better already. Thanks for sharing them.

Yeah. I'll put both CDC and Hopkins numbers up here daily. No biggie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:26 PM

UPDATE: On the manufactured panic of the Italy Anomaly.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-virus-toll-tops-4-000-aft
er-new-one-day-record/ar-BB11tDJ3?srcref=rss

Quote:
But Matteo Bassetti of Italy's prestigious San Martino clinic in Genoa said the government probably had no idea how many people really had the new disease.

"There are so many people walking around who have the virus and who are at risk of infecting others," Bassetti told Italy's AGI news agency.

"The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher."

THIS.

This is EXACTLY the point I'm trying to drive home.

If the Johns Hopkins count (at the time of this statement) was 40,000 confirmed cases, Bassetti is saying that it could be 4 MILLION people.

Without knowing exactly what the Death Count was when he made this statment, and the fact that we're talking in hypotheticals here, I will just compare this to the up-to-date Death Count from Johns Hopkins as of the time of making this post, which currently stands at 4,032 (and might have well been as low as only 3,400 or less if you read how many new cases came out in the last day).

4,032 Deaths

/ by

4,000,000 Hypothetical Cases

=

0.101% Mortality Rate in Italy.

That's a goddamned far cry from the 14.5% Mortality Rate the Legacy Media in the US has been manufacturing panic with for the last week plus+.

In fact, it's only 0.001% higher than the Mortality Rate of the Flu in the US over the course of the last 10 years.

Now, I will be the first to point out that until the testing is done widespread across the world and we have enough REAL data to go off of, we can't take that number seriously either.

I'm simply pointing out the FACT that if the number of people who are infected is MUCH higher than is currently being reported as confirmed, than this "Pandemic" gets lowered to status of SAME OLD SHIT.

But... and this is a BIG BUT...

Until we have more data, there is zero reason why you should believe any of the percentages being told to you by the Legacy Media right now either until this happens.

4 MILLION people. Even I wouldn't have posted that number (and didn't) because I've been through all of this before enough to know how preposterous the idea would sound and would immediately be dismissed by lemmings without any imagination at all .

I do hope now that a fancy gentleman with a Doctorate Degree and a stunningly white lab coat is saying it to you that you start taking it seriously.

I know... I know... I'm just a dumb and uneducated Trump voter. I won't hold it against you for not believing what I was saying all along.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:35 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SK did a fantastic job testing with FREE DRIVE THROUGH TESTING FOR ANYONE WHO ASKED FOR IT. It's how they were able to slow the spread, despite being one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, and not be medically overwhelmed.

At last count they tested roughly a half-million people in a country of roughly 50M, and their case fatality rate is roughly 1%. HOWEVER: the people infected tended to skew to adult (but not elderly) non-smoker females which is a golden population.

This is the third time I'm posting this.

How many times in how many places do I have to put facts out for you to read them?

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
SK did a fantastic job testing with FREE DRIVE THROUGH TESTING FOR ANYONE WHO ASKED FOR IT. It's how they were able to slow the spread, despite being one of the most densely populated countries on the planet, and not be medically overwhelmed.

At last count they tested roughly a half-million people in a country of roughly 50M, and their case fatality rate is roughly 1%. HOWEVER: the people infected tended to skew to adult (but not elderly) non-smoker females which is a golden population.

This is the third time I'm posting this.

How many times in how many places do I have to put facts out for you to read them?

You're ignoring my facts and spreading panic like the government and the Legacy Media is ordering to you.

You're on Ignore, that's why.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:50 PM

dbl...

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
You're ignoring my facts and spreading panic like the government and the Legacy Media is ordering to you.

You're on Ignore, that's why.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quote:
The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher.

That's not a fact. It's speculation on the part of one person based on nothing cited.

What ISN'T speculation is this (your article)

Quote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-virus-toll-tops-4-000-aft
er-new-one-day-record/ar-BB11tDJ3?srcref=rss

Italy's total number of deaths now stands at 4,032.

That's over 4,000 extra deaths in 4 weeks that wouldn't have happened without SARS-COV-2.
( https://time.com/5799586/italy-coronavirus-outbreak/ Officially it began in Feb. 20, when a 38-year-old man checked himself into a local hospital in the town of Codogno in Lombardy.)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
You're ignoring my facts and spreading panic like the government and the Legacy Media is ordering to you.

You're on Ignore, that's why.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quote:
The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher.
That's not a fact. It's speculation on the part of one person based on nothing cited.

Which I clearly stated in the response.

Either learn to read, read the entire thing, or don't reply to a post if you can't do either of the first two.

And the reverse of your statement is also true as well. As more time goes on and more tests are done, my predictions for how this ends are becoming more and more likely.

YOU bought into speculation and bullshit numbers all along. Numbers you have been citing for weeks now are being debunked with testing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

with ETA

Quote:
You're ignoring my facts and spreading panic like the government and the Legacy Media is ordering to you.

You're on Ignore, that's why.

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Quote:
The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher.

That's not a fact. It's speculation on the part of one person based on nothing cited.

What ISN'T speculation is this (your article)

Quote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-virus-toll-tops-4-000-aft
er-new-one-day-record/ar-BB11tDJ3?srcref=rss

Italy's total number of deaths now stands at 4,032.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
You're ignoring my facts and spreading panic like the government and the Legacy Media is ordering to you.

You're on Ignore, that's why.

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Quote:
The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher.
That's not a fact. It's speculation on the part of one person based on nothing cited.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:22 PM

Reposting this because it doesn't need to be buried with Kiki's mindless blather.

UPDATE: On the manufactured panic of the Italy Anomaly.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italy-s-virus-toll-tops-4-000-aft
er-new-one-day-record/ar-BB11tDJ3?srcref=rss

Quote:
But Matteo Bassetti of Italy's prestigious San Martino clinic in Genoa said the government probably had no idea how many people really had the new disease.

"There are so many people walking around who have the virus and who are at risk of infecting others," Bassetti told Italy's AGI news agency.

"The 40,000 cases we are talking about (in Italy) could actually be 100 times higher."

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You're posting nonsense.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED OF 'THE FLU' IN ONE MONTH IN ITALY?* 4,000? More? Fewer?

Don't know? Then you have nothing BUT speculation!

And BTW, you're making the same mistake as other people here are making. When the CDC posts deaths from 'the flu' they're posting COMBINED deaths from a minimum of the 5 flus they track every season, plus an unknown number they don't test for. While 1 virus can predominate, it's generally no more than 1/3 of all the known/ tracked cases in 'the flu' season. So take that mortality rate for 'the flu', and divide by 3, and you have your maximum rate for any one virus.

ETA:

power went out, so ETA late -

* To be more grim, but more accurate, how many people have died of the flu in those specific heavily impacted regions in one month (since deaths aren't uniformly spread out over all of Italy)? Extraordinary hospital crowding, lack of supplies, having to not treat some people in favor of treating others, army vehicle convoys of bodies, etc suggest this is an extraordinary number of seriously ill and dead, far beyond anything Italy's previously seen from 'the flu'.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 5:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Please see my post about an estimated mortality rate of 15 MILLION in the USA in one year.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=18

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:12 PM

15 Million dead in the US is a 4.6% Mortality rate if every single US citizen got it assuming 325 Million people (which is what was estimated in 2017).

Since I believe we're looking at something no more or less dangerous than the flu, other than the fact that it is likelier to spread easier, a more likely and far less panicky number of deaths if every American got infected is 325,000, which itself is 125,000 less than will die of smoking related deaths this year.

Yeah, it's nearly 11 times more dead than the flu in any given year, but that is only assuming every single one of us gets it.

The only scary part of COVID-19 is that nobody has natural immunity to it and there were no vaccinations. It doesn't appear as though it's any more deadly to those that it infects than the flu outside of that.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:37 PM

New JH numbers posted for today. Also, with the use of the Wayback machine the daily numbers dating back to the 14th (which is either the earliest somebody thought to make a snapshot, or the first day it went live).

(3/13 numbers are taken from a 3/14 archive at 3:00AM. Except for Friday the 20th, all other archives are taken from the last archive made on each day. For Friday the 20th, I used the numbers I grabbed late Friday night since the last archive on file for the day was before the numbers had been updated to the 18k range from the 14k range).

3/13/2020: (Friday)
Confirmed Cases: 2,084
Deaths: 44
Mortality Rate: 2.111%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200314032555/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/14/2020: (Saturday)
Confirmed Cases: 2,175
Deaths: 47
Mortality Rate: 2.160%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200314214811/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/15/2020: (Sunday)
Confirmed Cases: 3,244
Deaths: 62
Mortality Rate: 1.911%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200315235907/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/16/2020: (Monday)
Confirmed Cases: 3,774
Deaths: 69
Mortality Rate: 1.828%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200316150647/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/17/2020: (Tuesday)
Confirmed Cases: 4,661
Deaths: 85
Mortality Rate: 1.823%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200317160859/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/18/2020: (Wednesday)
Confirmed Cases: 6,519
Deaths: 115
Mortality Rate: 1.764%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200318163619/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/19/2020: (Thursday)
Confirmed Cases: 10,775
Deaths: 154
Mortality Rate: 1.429%
https://web.archive.org/web/20200319180044/https://www.latimes.com/pro
jects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
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3/20/2020: (Friday)
Confirmed Cases: 18,563
Deaths: 227
Mortality Rate: 1.222%
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3/21/2020: (Saturday)
Confirmed Cases: 25,493
Deaths: 307
Mortality Rate: 1.204%
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Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You **DO** realize that even your lowest figure is 13X that of a typical flu season - which means 13X more patients in the hospitals, and 13X more patients in the ICUs than a flu season - and that the US medical system simply doesn't have the capacity to handle that load - right?

BTW - your numbers don't resemble the numbers I've been posting.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You **DO** realize that even your lowest figure is 13X that of a typical flu season - which means 13X more patients in the hospitals, and 13X more patients in the ICUs than a flu season - and that the US medical system simply doesn't have the capacity to handle that load - right?

Yup. I've said as much.

The important thing to look at is the drop in Mortality Rate as more testing is done. I've already said that to you at least a dozen times. Maybe this time it will stick. Probably not though.

Quote:
BTW - your numbers don't resemble the numbers I've been posting.

Then your numbers are bad. I've posted my sources.

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Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
nothing worth paying attention to

fify

I've posted sources as well! The whole time I've been posting, I've had the link up. Maybe your 'source' isn't as reliable as you think.

And BTW, my lowest 'mortality rate' (if you insist on calling it the wrong name) is 1.4 as of March 20, so let me revise my post about how many TIMES the volume of patients that means.

And let me ALSO note, the very best 'mortality rate' in terms of statistics is from SK and it's 1%; a figure I've posted a half dozen times already. What makes the figures reliable is that they tested about a half-million people out of a total population of ~51M, AND new cases have stabilized. That means that new cases haven't outrun testing, and also deaths aren't lagging new cases.

Maybe it'll stick with YOU.

This epidemic 'mortality rate' is not going to drop and vanish into nothingness the way you presume it will.

My POINT is that it's a hell of a lot of patients - too many for the medical system - and a hell of a lot of deaths, compared to 'the' flu.

You **DO** realize that even my lowest figure is 14X that of a typical flu season - which means 14X more patients in the hospitals, and 14X more patients in the ICUs than a flu season - and that the US medical system simply doesn't have the capacity to handle that load - right?

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:53 AM

This is the source, idiot.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

It's the source the latimes is using to track it as well, and all prior data before I was tracking it is archives from the Internet Archive, and I've linked all of them.

You didn't like the CDC, so I'm using the up-to-date Johns Hopkins official website. If you don't like it, THEN FUCK YOU, and fuck your numbers.

Your numbers are wrong.

I'm done listening to your stupid Cuntery. IGNORE.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 2:02 AM

Johns Hopkiins US data as of 12:58AM CST 3/22/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 26,747
Deaths: 340
Mortality Rate: 1.271%

Keep in mind that unlike the CDC which only posts new numbers once daily, and only on weekdays, Johns Hopkins seems to be regularly updating this number at least several times a day as this is the 3rd change that I've seen since afternoon yesterday.

Simple minded idiots who claim numbers I post don't reflect their own would probably do well to recognize this fact before saying dumb shit.

Also keep in mind that nobody is out on the streets testing random people on Friday night into the wee hours of the morning on Saturday, and they aren't likely to be testing all that much on a voluntary basis during the weekend either.

I don't expect the percentage to start diving again until sometime late Monday or on Tuesday when the tests have ramped up again and are being reported. The only new cases on that report since Friday afternoon are people who are having emergency visits because they are really sick. And of course, yanno, dead people. But chances are most of them were already counted among the confirmed this late in the game.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:05 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Well, If you had read any of the FAQs about the site, you'd understand when and how the numbers get updated. But you prefer ignorance, so I'll just let you babble to yourself.

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:42 AM

Cool. Then time can show everybody that I was right about all of this without having you littering up the thread with panic and paranoia.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:33 AM

Just to further illustrate my theory that no new testing numbers are going to be added to the current totals over the weekend...

Johns Hopkins US data as of 10:28AM CST 3/22/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 26,747
Deaths: 346
Mortality Rate: 1.293%

(Only change here is 6 more deaths since 12:58AM this morning)

AND

Johns Hopkins US data as of 10:28AM CST 3/22/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 26,997
Deaths: 346
Mortality Rate: 1.282%

(On top of the 6 deaths reported above, there were 250 new confirmed cases added to the totals as well here.)

This data seems to be currently in flux on the site and will give you two different numbers at the time of this post depending on where you're looking.

We were getting around 5 to 6 thousand new confirmed cases over the last few week days, but that has slowed to a crawl on Saturday and Sunday. That's not because there aren't any new cases, but because the only people being added to the totals over the weekend are the ones self-admitting to the hospitals because they are sick. This is why the ratio will temporarily seem to get worse over the weekends and resume going back down during the week.

Hopefully by sometime on Tuesday we see the confirmed cases rise again, and even more dramatically than last week, as testing resumes and the reports come in (hopefully with testing procedures being more widely available, easy to do, and widespread across the country as the new "infrastructure" for such things gets ironed out).

*That is, of course, assuming the powers that be actually want the testing to continue and to see this ratio fall. Sigs and Kiki are talking about how there seems to be some FUBAR going on with testing right now, which I'm alleging is purposefully manufactured FUBAR.

EDIT:

Johns Hopkins US data as of 12:23PM CST 3/22/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 27,004
Deaths: 347
Mortality Rate: 1.285%

EDIT 2:

Johns Hopkins US data as of 6:43PM CST 3/22/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 33,276
Deaths: 417
Mortality Rate: 1.253%

EDIT 3:

Johns Hopkins US data as of 1:11PM CST 3/23/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 41,511
Deaths: 499
Mortality Rate: 1.202%

EDIT 4:

Johns Hopkins US data as of 3:29PM CST 3/23/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 41,708
Deaths: 573
Mortality Rate: 1.374%

EDIT 5:

Johns Hopkins US data as of 3:29PM CST 3/23/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 43,214
Deaths: 533 (I guess death didn't take for 40 people)
Mortality Rate: 1.233%
Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 23, 2020 2:15 PM

They seem to have ramped up testing again now that it's Monday.

Still not anywhere close to good enough, but it's only the middle of the day and there have been over 8,000 new confirmed cases which is the largest per-day increase since this began with more time to go before the work day is over.

Since this seems to be regularly updated even on the weekends, I'm going to try my best to put the new daily results in the OP from the numbers we get somewhere around the 6:00PM hour, although I know I won't be able to promise that. It will always be after 6PM though.

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Monday, March 23, 2020 7:32 PM

Strange....

I wonder if we've discovered how to Necromancy within the last 24 hours.

As of 6:30PM 3/23/2020, we have 533 people dead from COVID-19 in the US.

Just 3 hours ago, that number was 573.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Maybe we've got 40 Jesus Christs roaming the Land of the Free today?

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Monday, March 23, 2020 7:35 PM

Also to note...

3/23/2020 marks the first day where 10,000 people were added to the Confirmed Cases. One would imagine this is because the efforts to get out and test as many people as possible is becoming more successful. Hopefully that is a trend that continues to rise.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:31 AM

Well... that's a strange addition made in the last hour...

Johns Hopkins US data as of 1:15AM CST 3/24/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 46,438
Deaths: 586
Mortality Rate: 1.261%

Then, a little over an hour later..

Johns Hopkins US data as of 2:28AM CST 3/24/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 46,442
Deaths: 590
Mortality Rate: 1.270%

A rise of Four in both the Confirmed Cases and the Dead counts at the same time? So four dead people just showed up on the doorsteps of hospitals that weren't already among the confirmed cases in the middle of the night?

Odd...

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:39 PM

Anybody else think that they're going to purposefully slow testing to a crawl because nobody wants to be the first country to rise higher than China's obviously fake number of infected people?

I do.

Johns Hopkins US data as of 11:38AM CST 3/24/2020:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Confirmed Cases: 46,548
Deaths: 593
Mortality Rate: 1.274%

It's better for TPTB to stop testing so we don't get any updates on confirmed numbers as the death count skyrockets over the next few weeks and get the sheep believing that the chance you're going to die from this is 2/5 and they can keep us all locked safely away in our homes for as long as they want to.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:46 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... that's a strange addition made in the last hour...

A rise of Four in both the Confirmed Cases and the Dead counts at the same time? So four dead people just showed up on the doorsteps of hospitals that weren't already among the confirmed cases in the middle of the night?

Odd...

So 8 more were added to the confirmed and 4 confirmed died = math.

Much more importantly = it's crazy to watch these numbers that closely. And I'm pretty sure you know that.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:48 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody else think that they're going to purposefully slow testing to a crawl because nobody wants to be the first country to rise higher than China's obviously fake number of infected people?

I do.

You have a kind of bent b-movie idea of how the world works. Johns Hopkins doesn't represent one person btw, and I doubt people there tallying these numbers give a sh*t about who has the highest anything.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... that's a strange addition made in the last hour...

A rise of Four in both the Confirmed Cases and the Dead counts at the same time? So four dead people just showed up on the doorsteps of hospitals that weren't already among the confirmed cases in the middle of the night?

Odd...

So 8 more were added to the confirmed and 4 confirmed died = math.

Much more importantly = it's crazy to watch these numbers that closely. And I'm pretty sure you know that.

But 4 more were added to the confirmed while 4 more died.

Math fail.

Expected from a Democrat.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody else think that they're going to purposefully slow testing to a crawl because nobody wants to be the first country to rise higher than China's obviously fake number of infected people?

I do.

You have a kind of bent b-movie idea of how the world works. Johns Hopkins doesn't represent one person btw, and I doubt people there tallying these numbers give a sh*t about who has the highest anything.

Never said I was calling out JH.

Testing has been held up for one various reason or another for days now. This is something that your Legacy Media has been reporting. You must have missed it.

We've already enacted Communist China level measures telling people not to leave their houses. No reason not to imagine that we're going to intentionally start suppressing numbers too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:59 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

So 8 more were added to the confirmed and 4 confirmed died = math.

Much more importantly = it's crazy to watch these numbers that closely. And I'm pretty sure you know that.

But 4 more were added to the confirmed while 4 more died.

Math fail.

Expected from a Democrat.

8 became confirmed but 4 of those died, so 4 moved over to died and 4 remained as confirmed = maths

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:01 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We've already enacted Communist China level measures telling people not to leave their houses.

TSSYP

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No reason not to imagine that we're going to intentionally start suppressing numbers too.

If Trump was running JH then I'd believe it.

Time for a break.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
We've already enacted Communist China level measures telling people not to leave their houses. No reason not to imagine that we're going to intentionally start suppressing numbers too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Stop panicking, Jack.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:16 PM