Coronavirus Panic Must Stop, Press Needs to Be Held Accountable for Hurting People by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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Hope all you gamblers in the DOW saw this one coming.

Don't gamble with money you need or you don't have in the first place.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
If you could buy at 40% off the normal price, would not buy? That is what is happening on the stock market.

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What's the "normal price"?

Don't bother trying to answer that question. There is no answer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:29 PM

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Trump Didn’t Nuke Denmark, He Nuked His Own Country

Back in the day—i.e., 2016—I always figured there were two big reasons to hope Donald Trump didn’t win the Republican nomination. The first and most important was his straight-up appeal to bigotry and xenophobia, which the other Republican nominees mostly didn’t share. The second was that he might nuke Denmark.

That was the joke, anyway, but it was just shorthand for Trump screwing up some kind of foreign policy emergency, getting himself deeper and deeper into a hole, and then somehow ending up in a war that no one wanted. Nobody thought this was especially likely, but still, it was a 1 percent risk that the other candidates didn’t pose.

Then Trump got elected and three years passed. No war. No real threat of a war, either. Maybe we were all wrong?

Nope. “War,” it turned out, was itself shorthand for an emergency that Trump’s personality would cause him to mismanage. And the emergency turned out to be a pandemic. At first, Trump’s narcissism prevented him from believing that anything could be seriously wrong while he was in charge. Then his xenophobia caused him to address the problem solely by closing off a border, even though no one thought that would work. That eventually morphed into Trump’s bullheadedness preventing him from admitting he was mistaken and changing tack. And that, in turn, has caused him to close yet more borders.

In the meantime, there’s no consistent leadership from the White House. No consistent set of recommendations. No plans for mass testing. No national plans for containment or quarantine. Just experts becoming ever more shrill as the president does nothing and Mitch McConnell shrugs.

So in the end, Trump did nuke Denmark. Metaphorically speaking, that is. But it’s not Denmark that will pay the price, because—again, metaphorically—it’s actually the United States that he’s nuked.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/03/trump-didnt-nuke-denmark-he-nuk
ed-his-own-country/

Donald Trump Is Panicky and Clueless

Last night, on national TV, in a prepared address, President Trump said that (a) we would ban all travel from Europe, (b) we would ban some or all trade with Europe, and (c) insurance companies had agreed to waive copays for coronavirus treatment. All of this was mistaken. The travel ban applies only to foreign nationals, not US residents. No trade is being banned. And insurance companies are waiving copays only for coronavirus testing, not treatment.

This morning, Trump said that everyone entering the United States is being tested. This is . . . what? A lie? A delusion? A panicky response to a question? Does anyone know? The truth, of course, is that we’re not testing anyone arriving in the US. Hell, people who are returning from the hottest hotspots in northern Italy have reported not even being questioned, let alone tested.

This is way beyond outrageous. It’s not a partisan thing. There’s something wrong with Trump, and it either needs to be addressed or he needs to be taken out of the loop. This kind of stuff can’t be allowed to continue.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/03/donald-trump-is-panicky-and-clu
eless/

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:38 PM

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You're talking about Kiki, right? Wish treats people the way they treat her, just like I do. Funny how that works.

Well, thanks for trying.

But when you live life through his filter, I doubt logic will ever get through.

I think I liked him better drunk.

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:41 PM

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And you're just so mean. All the time. You can't help yourself, can you?

Sometimes it takes a hammer and a nail to drive a point home.

I think I'm going to need a bigger hammer for you two....

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:44 PM

Time for todays "Coronvirus Fun Fact Segment"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8105375/Coronavirus-live-pa
tients-FIVE-WEEKS-fall-ill.html

We would all have to be in quarantine the rest of the damn year to get away from this thing...

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:57 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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You're talking about Kiki, right? Wish treats people the way they treat her, just like I do. Funny how that works.

You're just mad because you couldn't explain your own thread.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63543&p=1

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It's too early to know what's going to ultimately happen with Covid-19, but interesting to look back to recent influenza data.

Why? What's your ahem! reasoning?

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Has our obsession with social media made rational virus concerns cross over into panic and then go viral?

We'll get to this later after I school you about the flu.

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Time for todays (sic) "Coronvirus (sic) Fun Fact Segment"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8105375/Coronavirus-live-pa
tients-FIVE-WEEKS-fall-ill.html

We would all have to be in quarantine the rest of the damn year to get away from this thing...

Either you, or they, are confused.

The two week quarantine period is for potentially exposed people BEFORE they show symptoms.

There isn't a recommended post-recovery quarantine, but studies show that while sampling can find detectable viral RNA after recovery, those people aren't infectious.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronav
irus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:19 PM

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Republicans Think Basic Public Health Measures Are Part of a Radical Left-Wing Agenda

An anonymous White House official said, “This is Democrats letting fear surrounding coronavirus be a vehicle to push their radical left agenda.” Trump echoed the point. “There are things in there that had nothing to do of what we are talking about,” he said, “It is not a way for them to get some of the goodies they have been able to get for the last 25 years.”

Trump didn’t specify what “goodies” he was talking about. Notably, neither did most of the other Republicans who have complained about the bill. This is worrisome, since it suggests that the GOP still doesn’t appreciate the scale of what the United States is facing, and views common-sense public health and economic measures as some sort “radical” leftist agenda.

The House bill is, in fact, a wide-ranging and fairly comprehensive response to the COVID-19 pandemic. It would guarantee free coronavirus testing by requiring insurers to pay for it and having Medicaid foot the full bill for the uninsured. It would add funding for unemployment benefits (since we’re probably going to see a lot of layoffs soon). It provides more food aid for families (a lot of kids are going to be without lunch when schools close). It would temporarily increase the federal government’s share of funding for Medicaid, to give state budgets a little relief as caseloads likely swell.

And importantly, it provides paid sick leave in two different ways. First, there’s an emergency benefit for workers affected by the coronavirus: The federal government will pay up to two-thirds of their usual earnings for as many as three months. Second, it would permanently require businesses to give workers seven days of paid sick leave, and an extra 14 during public health emergencies, with Washington covering the cost for small businesses.

These are all imminently sensible responses to the crisis at hand, which has shown that paid sick leave is an absolutely essential public health precaution. You want people to be able to get tested for this virus. You do not want them going to work and spreading an infection because they need to support themselves. You want people to be able to eat. You do not want consumer spending to crater.

And you should want to make paid sick leave permanent. It is demonstrably insane that we do not already require it. And it does not make any sense whatsoever for Congress to pass new, emergency paid leave mandates every time there is a public health crisis. Moreover, making sure that can people can take time off when they’re ill, even if there isn’t an emergency, will help prevent epidemics like this from occurring in the future.

Yet, Republicans are calling this some sort of radical, leftist plot, suggesting they still have no understanding of what it will take to address this crisis or prevent ones like it down the line.

https://slate.com/business/2020/03/republicans-think-democrats-coronav
irus-bill-is-part-of-a-radical-left-wing-agenda.html

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:53 PM

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There isn't a recommended post-recovery quarantine, but studies show that while sampling can find detectable viral RNA after recovery, those people aren't infectious.

FROM THE ARTICLE, O DENSE ONE.

"The shortest amount of time someone was infectious was eight days and the longest amount of time was 37 days."

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 6:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"For the study, published in The Lancet, 191 patients from two hospitals in Wuhan - the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak - were studied.

The team used electronic medical records to collect demographic data as well as laboratory data.

Researchers detected the RNA of the virus - which carries the genetic information - in respiratory samples from patients for a median of 20 days after they first becoming sick.

The shortest amount of time someone was infectious was eight days and the longest amount of time was 37 days."

First of all - these were hospitalized patients, which means they were very ill. Second of all, the clock starts "after they first becoming (sic) sick" which means they became sick potentially days before they were even admitted, and through their stay in the hospital which could have been 4 weeks or more. Which means their infectious span started before they were admitted and through their stay in the hospital. And indeed, the article is geared towards infectiousness in the hospital.
Lastly, ALL PATIENTS HAVE TO TEST NEGATIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS BEFORE BEING RELEASED.

Capiche?

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 7:23 PM

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How bad could 10 minutes of reading a speech from a teleprompter possibly be? The answer turns out to be worse than I’d thought.

For starters, Trump misstated the policy, saying that he was banning all travel from Europe and eliding the fact that US citizens, US lawful permanent residents, and their families are exempted from the ban. On any given day, the planes from Europe are about half-full of Americans coming home, so the incorrect announcement that they’d all be stranded on the wrong continent set off a panic. Americans rushed to airports, paid extortionate prices for last-minute flights, and, worst of all, created large crowds in enclosed spaces — exactly what we’re supposed to be avoiding during the coronavirus pandemic.

Then he also screwed up by saying he was canceling all trade in goods from Europe, only to have his staff come out later and explain that he was misspeaking. This was, to be clear, a prepared address coming from a teleprompter. But he seemingly couldn’t clearly explain his own policies in a way that would avoid panic or misunderstanding.

The speech was, in other words, worse than simply saying nothing would have been. And this has been a hallmark of Trump’s public communications on the pandemic, which have been consistently misleading in a way that has induced confusion and failed at its goal of stemming anxiety.

www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176750/trump-coronavirus-response-disaster

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 7:50 PM

lol

Assuming the small chance we're even still talking about Coronavirus in November and the even smaller chance that Joe Biden wins, it will be hilarious the stuff he's going to be saying.

He's probably having Polio flashbacks right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:01 PM

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lol

Assuming the small chance we're even still talking about Coronavirus in November and the even smaller chance that Joe Biden wins, it will be hilarious the stuff he's going to be saying.

He's probably having Polio flashbacks right now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You mean Pollo Tropical flashbacks, don'tcha?

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hope all you gamblers in the DOW saw this one coming.

Don't gamble with money you need or you don't have in the first place.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's good advice. Before the recent 2-week Dow plunge I had put in stop-sell limit orders for all my stocks. Well they all traded and I took a 10% hit on everything. After watching the Dow drop an additional 20% since then I'm elated that I applied the tourniquet when I did.

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Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Hope all you gamblers in the DOW saw this one coming.

Don't gamble with money you need or you don't have in the first place.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's good advice. Before the recent 2-week Dow plunge I had put in stop-sell limit orders for all my stocks. Well they all traded and I took a 10% hit on everything. After watching the Dow drop an additional 20% since then I'm elated that I applied the tourniquet when I did.

Good to hear.

It might go down quite a bit more.

It's not the Coronavirus I'm worried about at all, but the way that everybody is behaving. And I do mean pretty much everybody this time... not just the Legacy Media and/or politicians.

In the short term it's going to be pretty major, but I think we might be seeing a long term seismic shift of overall behavior patterns emerge from this one.

I doubt very much that my own lifestyle is going to change at all, but I think a lot of other people's are.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 12:09 AM

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And indeed, the article is geared towards infectiousness in the hospital.
Lastly, ALL PATIENTS HAVE TO TEST NEGATIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS BEFORE BEING RELEASED.

You really believe that EVERYONE who is infected will STAY inside for as long as it takes to be non-transmissible?

Not gonna happen. All it takes is ONE and this whole jar of pickles spins around again...

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Friday, March 13, 2020 12:11 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Does your rage make you forget how to read?

Hey, WISHY, how about that conversation that Signy and I never had? Yanno, the one only you saw?

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:
And you're just so mean. All the time. You can't help yourself, can you?

TWITCHIMAY: Sometimes it takes a hammer and a nail to drive a point home.

Well, how has that worked for you? Have you EVER convinced anyone of ... anything ... by beating them over the head with metaphorical 2X4s? 'Cause, yanno, when you're in a rage all the time and you attack people all the time, people don't respond to whatever point it is you THINK you're making; they respond to your constant attacks and horrible personality instead.

*****

CASE IN POINT

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SIGNYM:Do you know why SIX is a better person than you are? His thinking goes askew when it comes to viral diseases. YOUR thought processes ... such as they are ... are twisted about everything. And you're just so mean. All the time. You can't help yourself, can you?

CAPTAINCEREAL: You're talking about Kiki, right? Wish treats people the way they treat her, just like I do. Funny how that works.

6IXSTRINGJACK:No she doesn't. She comes in and attacks people regardless of the topic when they've said nothing about her.If the way people treat her has gotten worse over time, which I have little doubt that it has, she has nobody but herself and her own behavior to blame for that. She's an awful person.

And here you go, proving SIX right, and CAPTAINCEREAL wrong:

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TWITCHIMAY:I think I'm going to need a bigger hammer for you two....

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Oh, and BTW CAPTAINCEREAL: You share a trait with TWITCHIMAY: you attack people for no reason. It doesn't matter what's being posted, you zoom in and just add to that big ol' pile of TWICHYSHIT by defaming, misquoting, and mischaracterizing. You lie all the time, you JUST DID IT ALL AGAIN, in your usual slimy manner.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Friday, March 13, 2020 8:51 AM

I REALLY think that people need to start relaxing here.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-pa
nic

Coronavirus: Fact vs. Panic

The average age of Americans who have been confirmed dead of the virus in America is 80.

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Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.

Most people who get the Coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.

No young or middle-aged people have died of the virus in the US.

Most people who got the virus from January to March 1st have already recovered.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 9:08 AM

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Coronavirus could do more economic damage than the financial crisis that led to the Great Recession.

Jason Furman was a top economic adviser to President Barack Obama, serving as deputy director of the National Economics Council from 2009 to 2013, and as chair of the Council of Economic Advisors from 2013 to 2017. He played a key role in designing the administration’s response to the financial crisis and Great Recession. He’s now a professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

I’ve spoken with Furman often over the years, and to put it bluntly, I’ve never heard him as alarmed as on Thursday. He believes that coronavirus could do more damage to the economy than the financial crisis did, and that policymakers aren’t even close to designing a large enough response. In addition, the virus is moving much faster than the financial crisis did, and the government officials who will need to respond to it are in danger of being infected by it.

A transcript of our conversation, lightly edited for length and clarity, follows.

Ezra Klein: Looking at the financial markets and economic data, how much does this feel like 2008 to you?

Jason Furman: At this point, this feels much worse than 2008. Lehman Brothers was quite bad, but it was the culmination of a sequence of things that had happened over 14 months. This hit all at once.

There were a lot of people lucky and privileged enough that they didn’t reduce their spending in 2008. But everyone is doing it now. I was in a restaurant yesterday, possibly for the last time for a while. I was in a taxi, possibly the last time for a while. There are entire industries I interact with where I’m realizing: “This may be the last time I’m paying you for a while.” That didn’t happen in 2008. When you start to think about all of that it just gives you a feeling for the enormity of this economically.

If two months from now we go back to normal, I think we’d be okay. If this lasts six months or longer — and I think that’s the more likely scenario — all of that just compounds. Even if you discover a cure in December, you still have people out of jobs, broken balance sheets, bankrupt companies that won’t be particularly eager to hire.

The economic effects might outlast the health effects.

Ezra Klein: Financial crises are fundamentally about uncertainty. Markets think an asset costs this much, but they’re wrong, and chaos ensues. This feels much more tangible: People are getting sick, or are afraid of getting sick, and so they’re staying home, or they’re not allowed to come into work, or they’re losing their jobs because their customers are gone. How different is that in its economic effects?

Jason Furman: In a financial crisis, there are multiple equilibriums. if you can stop the panic by guaranteeing markets or injecting capital, you can even get the opposite as money floods back into the market. Here, there’s a deadly germ out there and you don’t want to go near it for your sake and your community’s sake. There’s only one equilibrium: it’s economic inactivity until the danger passes.

More at www.vox.com/2020/3/13/21177850/coronavirus-covid-19-recession-stock-ma
rket-economy-jobs-stimulus

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Friday, March 13, 2020 9:34 AM

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Coronavirus could do more economic damage than the financial crisis that led to the Great Recession.

Yup. I believe this.

Thanks almost exclusively to our partisan Democrat shill Legacy Media and Democrat Presidential campaign ads that stoked fires that might not actually be around a few months from now.

Way to go, Democrats. The party of regressiveness and destruction.

I do hope you're proud of what you've caused.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Coronavirus could do more economic damage than the financial crisis that led to the Great Recession.

Yup. I believe this.

Thanks almost exclusively to our partisan Democrat shill Legacy Media and Democrat Presidential campaign ads that stoked fires that might not actually be around a few months from now.

Way to go, Democrats. The party of regressiveness and destruction.

I do hope you're proud of what you've caused.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You know, 6ix, the same economic problems are happening in other countries that don't have even one Democrat. You might be mistaken about it being all the fault of the Democrats. On the other hand, places like Taiwan are not having Coronavirus problems because their government was prepared. Taiwan has health care system that is NOT designed to maximum the wealth of doctors, hospitals, and drug companies.

Taiwan has only 47 coronavirus cases. Its response to the crisis shows that swift action and widespread healthcare can prevent an outbreak.

www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-c
ontainment-2020-3

Taiwan also has the very real possibility that if its government screws up, China will make damn sure the leadership in Taiwan suffers and dies, which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qlhe

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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You're talking about Kiki, right? Wish treats people the way they treat her, just like I do. Funny how that works.
You're just mad because you couldn't explain your own thread.

Not to you I couldn't - 'cuz you're an angry old fool.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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It's too early to know what's going to ultimately happen with Covid-19, but interesting to look back to recent influenza data.
Why? What's your ahem! reasoning?

^See above.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Has our obsession with social media made rational virus concerns cross over into panic and then go viral?
We'll get to this later after I school you about the flu.

And I'm still waiting. I'm guessing you are googling "social media" so you can figure out what it is.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by second:
...which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

Yes. You are truly lucky to live here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:22 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

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Oh, and BTW CAPTAINCEREAL: You share a trait with TWITCHIMAY: you attack people for no reason. It doesn't matter what's being posted, you zoom in and just add to that big ol' pile of TWICHYSHIT by defaming, misquoting, and mischaracterizing. You lie all the time, you JUST DID IT ALL AGAIN, in your usual slimy manner.

That's like like a whole bunch of really weak lies. It's *almost* as if you are here just to agitate and stir the pot... ?

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
...which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

Yes. You are truly lucky to live here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It's pretty clear you did NOT understand that graph. Unfortunately, the data series stops in 2010, but I'm sure the trends continued for the next 10 years. Taiwan will surpass America as far as GNP per person. China is far behind. Taiwan's health care system surpassed America's and China's.

www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-c
ontainment-2020-3
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qlhe

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qlia

GDP (PPP) per capita 2019
United States $65,112
Taiwan $55,078
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capit
a

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:49 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Not to you I couldn't - 'cuz you're an angry old fool.

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^See above.

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And I'm still waiting. I'm guessing you are googling "social media" so you can figure out what it is.

See? Not ONE WORD about your own topic! Since you ran away from discussing your previous thread and your OT, let's continue here!

This is what you posted:

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
It's too early to know what's going to ultimately happen with Covid-19, but interesting to look back to recent influenza data. Has our obsession with social media made rational virus concerns cross over into panic and then go viral?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

What was the 2017-2018 flu season like?
The 2017-2018 influenza season was a high severity season with high levels of outpatient clinic and emergency department visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), high influenza-related hospitalization rates, and elevated and geographically widespread influenza activity for an extended period. In 2017, CDC began using new methodology to classify seasonal severity and applied the methodology to the 2003-2004 through 2016-2017 seasons. The 2017-18 season was the first season to be classified as a high severity across all age groups.

When did the 2017-2018 flu season peak?
During the 2017-2018 season, influenza-like-illness (ILI) activity began to increase in November, reaching an extended period of high activity during January and February nationally, and remained elevated through the end of March. ILI peaked at 7.5%, the highest percentage since the 2009 flu pandemic, which peaked at 7.7%. Influenza-like illness (ILI) was at or above the national baseline for 19 weeks, making the 2017-2018 season one of the longest in recent years.

For more information, see the MMWR: 2017-18 Influenza Activity Update or visit FluView Interactive.

How many people died from flu during the 2017-2018 season?
While flu deaths in children are reported to CDC, flu deaths in adults are not nationally notifiable. In order to monitor influenza related deaths in all age groups, CDC tracks pneumonia and influenza (P&I)-attributed deaths through the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) Mortality Reporting System. This system tracks the proportion of death certificates processed that list pneumonia or influenza as the underlying or contributing cause of death. This system provides an overall indication of whether flu-associated deaths are elevated, but does not provide an exact number of how many people died from flu.

During the 2017-2018 season, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was at or above the epidemic threshold for 16 consecutive weeks. During the past five seasons, the average number of weeks this indicator was above threshold was 11 (range of 7 to 15 weeks). Nationally, mortality attributed to P&I exceeded 10.0% for four consecutive weeks, peaking at 10.8% during the week ending January 20, 2018.

As it does for the numbers of flu cases, doctor’s visits and hospitalizations, CDC also estimates deaths in the United States using mathematical modeling. CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2013-2014, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 56,000 (during 2012-2013). Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate included respiratory or circulatory causes. For more information, see Estimating Seasonal Influenza-Associated Deaths in the United States and CDC’s Disease Burden of Influenza page.

So let me highlight this first

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Covid-19, but interesting to look back to recent influenza data.

When asked why you thought to put them together into one sentence, you claimed it was because

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both of which are viruses... tick.

When I pointed out that rabies is also a virus you claimed it was because

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You're such a f-wad. Is rabies spread the same way the flu is?

I'm going to point out that the article YOU linked that we should pay attention to says NOTHING about how the flu is spread.

So, why would YOU post this article in relation to Covid-19? It's YOUR POST after all. Explain why YOU posted it!

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63543&p=1

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Friday, March 13, 2020 12:16 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Coronavirus Is Now Growing Faster in the US Than in Europe

Based on data from the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Data Repository, here is how the outbreak has progressed in six Western countries. See graphs here:

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/03/coronavirus-is-now-growing-fast
er-in-the-us-than-in-europe/

The charts are all done using a log scale on the y-axis, which means that exponential growth shows up as a straight line.

So far, every country has shown the same growth rate except for one: the United States.

We are 11 days behind Italy, but our caseload has suddenly started ticking up past normal. Note that the Trump Tick might look small, but this is because it, too, is on a log scale. That small tick indicates that we have about 2x or 3x more cases than you’d expect at this stage.

Why? Probably because the federal government refuses to act with the seriousness it should. Because that might be bad for Donald Trump’s reelection chances.

Trump grows more irate as his attempts to contain coronavirus fallout fail
www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/politics/trump-coronavirus-statement-markets/in
dex.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 13, 2020 1:05 PM

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...which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

Yes. You are truly lucky to live here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's pretty clear you did NOT understand that graph.

I ignored your dumb graph.

Everything you say is stupid and your news sources are biased trash rags.

You and T are a couple of idiots rooting for the Coronavirus to destroy everything so Trump loses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 1:10 PM

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I REALLY think that people need to start relaxing here.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-pa
nic

Coronavirus: Fact vs. Panic

The average age of Americans who have been confirmed dead of the virus in America is 80.

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Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.

Most people who get the Coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.

No young or middle-aged people have died of the virus in the US.

Most people who got the virus from January to March 1st have already recovered.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That is really great info to have. It paints a completely different picture from what is typically being "reported" while the country is losing its mind over this. A sincere THANKS for posting it.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 1:13 PM

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I REALLY think that people need to start relaxing here.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-pa
nic

Coronavirus: Fact vs. Panic

The average age of Americans who have been confirmed dead of the virus in America is 80.

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Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.

Most people who get the Coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.

No young or middle-aged people have died of the virus in the US.

Most people who got the virus from January to March 1st have already recovered.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That is really great info to have. It paints a completely different picture from what is typically being "reported" while the country is losing its mind over this. A sincere THANKS for posting it.

You're welcome, buddy.

I know I'm the nihilist and pragmatist in the group here, but (sadly?), this won't be the cure to the world's population problems.

Our Legacy Media is making a killing over the ratings, sensationalizing like they always do while making people freak out while they sell boner pills and car insurance.

A few weeks from now I expect a few apologies coming my way while I hand out "I told you so's".

Everything's gonna be alright.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 1:24 PM

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I REALLY think that people need to start relaxing here.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-pa
nic

Coronavirus: Fact vs. Panic

The average age of Americans who have been confirmed dead of the virus in America is 80.

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Almost all of the reported coronavirus deaths in the U.S. happened in long-term care facilities in Washington State. And almost all of those occurred at the same facility.

Most people who get the Coronavirus have mild or no symptoms.

No young or middle-aged people have died of the virus in the US.

Most people who got the virus from January to March 1st have already recovered.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That is really great info to have. It paints a completely different picture from what is typically being "reported" while the country is losing its mind over this. A sincere THANKS for posting it.

You're welcome, buddy.

I know I'm the nihilist and pragmatist in the group here, but (sadly?), this won't be the cure to the world's population problems.

Our Legacy Media is making a killing over the ratings, sensationalizing like they always do while making people freak out while they sell boner pills and car insurance.

A few weeks from now I expect a few apologies coming my way while I hand out "I told you so's".

Everything's gonna be alright.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

As usual, I agree with everything you said. You are a beacon of sanity and wit, 2 things libtards have very little of.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 2:20 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

If we're lucky enough to not become another Italy, it won't be because people ignored it and did nothing - it'll be because people paid attention and did something ... from halting all Chinese nationals and Europeans from entering the country, tracking and tracing positive cases, to public health workers repeatedly monitoring tens of thousands of travelers to see if they were keeping up with self-quarantine, cancelling events, schools etc., to people changing personal behaviors - all this done so that you, too, may benefit.

If we're that lucky, I'll expect a big THANK YOU from you all.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:03 PM

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If we're lucky enough to not become another Italy, it won't be because people ignored it and did nothing - it'll be because people paid attention and did something ... from halting all Chinese nationals and Europeans from entering the country, tracking and tracing positive cases, to public health workers repeatedly monitoring tens of thousands of travelers to see if they were keeping up with self-quarantine, cancelling events, schools etc., to people changing personal behaviors - all this done so that you, too, may benefit.

If we're that lucky, I'll expect a big THANK YOU from you all.

We're all going to get it. If YOU are lucky, you won't feel anything worse than the flu you just got over or hardly anything at all.

Italy has the OLDEST population of all of Europe. We need to stop using Italy as the example of what went wrong and look at WHY those numbers are so high.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Whatever.

Let's just get it over with and shitcan old people because you're not old.

Right?

(Even though we COULD save people by taking action now.)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:16 PM

I didn't make the disease. Not my fault.

You go live in a cave if you want to, for all the good it's going to do you.

Me? I'm more worried about the economy that everybody who survives it is going to have to deal with after the panic takes a big bite out of it.

And all that additional toxic masculinity that is going to be going around when the Fantasy Footballers don't have so much stuff to keep their double digit IQ's busy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Did I say you made the disease, Jack?

What's your excuse for being so callous - and dishonest? IT'S NOT YOU?

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:28 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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...which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

Yes. You are truly lucky to live here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's pretty clear you did NOT understand that graph.

I ignored your dumb graph.

Everything you say is stupid and your news sources are biased trash rags.

You and T are a couple of idiots rooting for the Coronavirus to destroy everything so Trump loses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The lucky guy is Trump; he inherited $400 million. He has always depended on luck, even as President, which is why he is doing such a terrible job with the coronavirus. One reason federal health officials have not acted quicker appears to be Trump’s reluctance to declare a national emergency. That’s a key step that would clear the way for states to get Medicaid waivers to more nimbly tackle coronavirus, but it would conflict with Trump’s repeated efforts to downplay the seriousness of the epidemic. He is depending on a lucky miracle to save him from working when he is at work.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:29 PM

Dishonest? How?

I'm not being callous. It's called Cruel to be Kind.

I'm being the guy who tells you if the jeans you're wearing makes your ass look fat when nobody else does.

You're going to get it. Everybody you know is going to get it.

Most people are going to be OK, including MOST OLD PEOPLE.

Eating right, exercising and taking your vitamins are going to do you a hell of a lot more good than worrying about wearing face masks and stocking up on Purel.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:31 PM

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...which is completely unlike in the US, where you can be the dumbest jerk and get away with it, unpunished for incompetence and stupidity.

Yes. You are truly lucky to live here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
It's pretty clear you did NOT understand that graph.

I ignored your dumb graph.

Everything you say is stupid and your news sources are biased trash rags.

You and T are a couple of idiots rooting for the Coronavirus to destroy everything so Trump loses.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
The lucky guy is Trump; he inherited $400 million. He has always depended on luck, even as President, which is why he is doing such terrible job with the coronavirus. One reason federal health officials have not acted quickier appears to be Trump’s reluctance to declare a national emergency. That’s a key step that would clear the way for states to get Medicaid waivers to more nimbly tackle coronavirus, but it would conflict with Trump’s repeated efforts to downplay the seriousness of the epidemic. He is depending on a lucky miracle to save him from working when he is at work.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Shut the fuck up with your terminal TDS, dipshit. Nobody cares. Period.

Adults are trying to talk here, and I'm trying to get people who's opinions I actually give a shit about to wake up and stop obsessing over this bullshit virus.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:38 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Shut the fuck up with your terminal TDS, dipshit. Nobody cares. Period.

Adults are trying to talk here, and I'm trying to get people who's opinions I actually give a shit about to wake up and stop obsessing over this bullshit virus.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump is a fruitcake. He has been at least since Trump Casinos went bankrupt. It is no surprise that he cannot think straight under pressure.

Check out the video of Trump/Coronavirus. Everybody, except Trump, is facing forward. Trump is glaring at the speakers. Trump wants to jump in and start babbling, pretending that knows what he is talking about. He is a fruitcake.
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1238547861358309377

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Dishonest? How?

By pretending to offer rebuttals to arguments no one made? It's called strawmanning, and it's a lie.

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I'm not being callous. It's called Cruel to be Kind.

No, you're being callous.

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You're going to get it. Everybody you know is going to get it.
Most people are going to be OK, including MOST OLD PEOPLE.

Then everything that everyone's posted about flattening the curve to keep people from dying simply because the medical system is overwhelmed by too many cases all at once has bounced off your rim. Repeatedly. And that's a problem with you.

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Eating right, exercising and taking your vitamins are going to do you a hell of a lot more good than worrying about wearing face masks and stocking up on Purel.

So, even though you admit it's a virus ... and that the virus can make people sick ... you don't think people should take proven effective measures against getting infected.

Because ... why?

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Friday, March 13, 2020 4:36 PM

Your final question is the only thing that is worth replying to here, although like the rest of it I'm just repeating myself here.

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Because ... why?

You're going to get it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 4:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'll keep posting this until you understand this is a FACT, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Slowing down the spread SAVES LIVES - lives you seem like you'd rather flush down the toilet ASAP.

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Then everything that everyone's posted about flattening the curve to keep people from dying simply because the medical system is overwhelmed by too many cases all at once has bounced off your rim. Repeatedly.

Flattening the curve helps everybody. Even you.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 6:39 PM

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I'll keep posting this until you understand this is a FACT, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Slowing down the spread SAVES LIVES - lives you seem like you'd rather flush down the toilet ASAP.
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Then everything that everyone's posted about flattening the curve to keep people from dying simply because the medical system is overwhelmed by too many cases all at once has bounced off your rim. Repeatedly.
Flattening the curve helps everybody. Even you.

I don't see how.

The virus isn't deadly to most people. Even most old people recover from it.

The longer this lasts, the longer the Legacy Media makes people panic and it kills people's 401ks, kills small businesses, inconveniences people who want to buy stuff but can't because people are hoarding, and anybody who enjoys sporting events can't attend any right now.

Step out into the sunlight, let people cough on you and let's get this shit over with tomorrow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 7:21 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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I'll keep posting this until you understand this is a FACT, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Slowing down the spread SAVES LIVES - lives you seem like you'd rather flush down the toilet ASAP.
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Then everything that everyone's posted about flattening the curve to keep people from dying simply because the medical system is overwhelmed by too many cases all at once has bounced off your rim. Repeatedly.

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Flattening the curve helps everybody. Even you.

I don't see how.

The virus isn't deadly to most people. Even most old people recover from it.

The longer this lasts, the longer the Legacy Media makes people panic and it kills people's 401ks, kills small businesses, inconveniences people who want to buy stuff but can't because people are hoarding, and anybody who enjoys sporting events can't attend any right now.

Step out into the sunlight, let people cough on you and let's get this shit over with tomorrow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

What's the difference between a 1% and 6% death rate? That's the difference between people getting medical help IF THEY NEED IT and not. When the medical system is overwhelmed, people won't get the care that could help them recover. Instead, they die.

If you don't overwhelm the system, people will get the care they need, and live. More people living is what happens when you SLOW IT DOWN.

But you'd rather everyone get it at once so the maximum number of people die?

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Friday, March 13, 2020 9:20 PM

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I'll keep posting this until you understand this is a FACT, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Slowing down the spread SAVES LIVES - lives you seem like you'd rather flush down the toilet ASAP.
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Then everything that everyone's posted about flattening the curve to keep people from dying simply because the medical system is overwhelmed by too many cases all at once has bounced off your rim. Repeatedly.

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Flattening the curve helps everybody. Even you.

I don't see how.

The virus isn't deadly to most people. Even most old people recover from it.

The longer this lasts, the longer the Legacy Media makes people panic and it kills people's 401ks, kills small businesses, inconveniences people who want to buy stuff but can't because people are hoarding, and anybody who enjoys sporting events can't attend any right now.

Step out into the sunlight, let people cough on you and let's get this shit over with tomorrow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
What's the difference between a 1% and 6% death rate? That's the difference between people getting medical help IF THEY NEED IT and not. When the medical system is overwhelmed, people won't get the care that could help them recover. Instead, they die.

If you don't overwhelm the system, people will get the care they need, and live. More people living is what happens when you SLOW IT DOWN.

But you'd rather everyone get it at once so the maximum number of people die?

You talk about this as if you know for certain.

You are just parroting what somebody else told you.

You can't shit on other people here for doing that when it suits them and then do the same goddamned thing yourself when it suits you.

You need to take a good long look in the mirror, Kiki.

Because you right here right now... You're acting just like these never Trumper chucklefucks when swallowing all the Russia horseshit that Maddow was shoveling in their mouths for 2 years.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:21 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Not gonna try and convince you of reality - or point out your extremely selective ethics, except to say you'd give WISHI a run for the money when it comes to callousness in the interests of an agenda.

Bye.

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Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 PM