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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Still ... what next?
So, sure as night follows day, there will be more attempts to discredit, derail, or disable Trump. What comes next? "Unfit for office?" Lethal flu infection?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
As I think about it, another play might be to foment a color / spring / dignity revolution here in the US. But I'd have to think about the actual logistics to try and figure out if it's a viable option.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Still ... what next?
So, sure as night follows day, there will be more attempts to discredit, derail, or disable Trump. What comes next? "Unfit for office?" Lethal flu infection?

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Woman who has accused Trump of sexual assault is seeking his DNA. Her lawyers served an attorney for Trump with papers on Thursday requesting the President's DNA be obtained on March 2.

www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/e-jean-carroll-donald-trump-sexual-ass
ault-accusation/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
God, SECOND really has a stick up his ass about taxes, doesn't he?

I hate to tell you this, SECOND, but most Americans know that ALL of the rich and the corporations have been screwing us on their taxes, and that tax avoidance has been going on since taxes were first imposed. (And no, I don't mean "in America", I mean "in history").

Maybe if you were to propose some meaningful tax reform it might interest people, but going after one politically covenient guy with hammer and tongs over his taxes is just a big soozefest. Most people would see it as meaningless partisan theater, and they'd be correct.

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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oooooh! Oooooooh!

I KNOW!

They're going to claim "election hacking" and cancel the results!!

(But only if Trump wins.)


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Pity would be no more,
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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
God, SECOND really has a stick up his ass about taxes, doesn't he?

I hate to tell you this, SECOND, but most Americans know that ALL of the rich and the corporations have been screwing us on their taxes, and that tax avoidance has been going on since taxes were first imposed. (And no, I don't mean "in America", I mean "in history").

Maybe if you were to propose some meaningful tax reform it might interest people, but going after one politically covenient guy with hammer and tongs over his taxes is just a big soozefest. Most people would see it as meaningless partisan theater, and they'd be correct.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I understand that tax cheating is a crime, alright. I also know that there are international law firms, like Mossack Fonseca (associated with Hillary Clinton) that help the wealthy stash their money into instant foundations, shell corporations, and offshore accounts. That's a lot worse ... and involves a lot more money ... than just fudging the figures on a tax form.

When you go after one individual while others are doing the same - or a lot worse- it's called selective enforcement.In this case, I would call it blatant election meddling. Or maybe partisan hypocrisy. Or, in your case , Trump Derangement Syndrome

Instead of constantly ... and I mean constantly... obssessing about Trump (Trump this! Trump that! Trump something else!) ... why don't you propose a way to solve the problem? People might at least be willing to listen.

But I know you won't, just like CC will never discuss What are Americans' interests?. You hate America, and Americans, far too much to engage in anything positive.

You really, REALLY, need a new hobby!

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Oh, I understand that tax cheating is a crime, alright. I also know that there are international law firms, like Mossack Fonseca (associated with Hillary Clinton) that help the wealthy stash their money into instant foundations, shell corporations, and offshore accounts. That's a lot worse ... and involves a lot more money ... than just fudging the figures on a tax form.

When you go after one individual while others are doing the same - or a lot worse- it's called selective enforcement.In this case, I would call it blatant election meddling. Or maybe partisan hypocrisy. Or, in your case , Trump Derangement Syndrome

Instead of constantly ... and I mean constantly... obssessing about Trump (Trump this! Trump that! Trump something else!) ... why don't you propose a way to solve the problem? People might at least be willing to listen.

But I know you won't, just like CC will never discuss What are Americans' interests?. You hate America, and Americans, far too much to engage in anything positive.

You really, REALLY, need a new hobby!

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If you aren't a Russian troll, you are out of your mind the way you defend Trump's nonstop tax cheating. The guy has blatantly cheated, as did his mentor Roy Cohn who never paid his taxes, either.
www.google.com/search?q=Trump+tax+cheating

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Oooooh! Oooooooh!

I KNOW!

They're going to claim "election hacking" and cancel the results!!

(But only if Trump wins.)


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Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!

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If you aren't a Russian troll , you are out of your mind the way you defend Trump's nonstop tax cheating.

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The guy has blatantly cheated

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, aren't YOU just full of libel today!

Dooood - do you think Amazon pays its full taxes because Bezos supports democrats? (Amazon pays NO federal income tax.) In fact, do you think Bezos pays full income tax because he supports democrats? https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2018/07/16/29260492/bezos-has-150-bil
lion-saves-hundreds-of-millions-in-washington-income-tax

Income tax evasion isn't a Trump thing. It's not even a republican thing.

But if you're THAT jealous of Trump, maybe you should get better tax people.

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If you were a patriotic American (are you?) you'd know that there is such as thing as innocent until proven guilty. YOU have been relentlessly hounding Trump over one made-up-"crime" after another, most of which have been determined to be as full of hot air as you are.

You'd also know that there is such a thing as equal protection under the law which means ... among other things ... no selective prosecution.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody has to defend Trump.

Impeachment is about to be thrown out, so there's nothing to defend. Period.

Go worry about your fucking Democrat candidates and try winning an election the way that you're supposed to. You crybabies are disgusting. Over three years of this bullshit now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody has to defend Trump.

Impeachment is about to be thrown out, so there's nothing to defend. Period.

Go worry about your fucking Democrat candidates and try winning an election the way that you're supposed to. You crybabies are disgusting. Over three years of this bullshit now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I am voting for the Democrat, but if Trump wins I win for the very same reason the richest Republicans vote for him -- the money Trump gives us.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Oh. You don't say, huh?

Not like you haven't said that a million times already dude.

Nobody believes you're rich anyhow, so whatever man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Oh. You don't say, huh?

Not like you haven't said that a million times already dude.

Nobody believes you're rich anyhow, so whatever man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tell me what material reward Trump will give you for your vote.

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Do I come off to you as a person who places a high value on material things?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Do I come off to you as a person who places a high value on material things?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You give away something valuable and get nothing back from Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh yeah. This ought to be rich.

What exactly did I give away?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I noticed that SLOPPY seems to post most obsessively when another effort at TDS - in this case impeachment - fails.

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Oh yeah. This ought to be rich.

What exactly did I give away?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You gave away your votes and your time spent defending Trump's behavior.

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Trump’s acquittal will do immense damage to America’s “soft power,” Washington’s ability to convince other nations to do what the US wants without using military force.

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Nope. All it's going to do is damage to Democrat's chances in November, which were already abysmal.

Losers losing lost.

Buh bye, morons.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump’s acquittal will do immense damage to America’s “soft power,” Washington’s ability to convince other nations to do what the US wants without using military force.

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Nope. All it's going to do is damage to Democrat's chances in November, which were already abysmal.

Losers losing lost.

Buh bye, morons.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What are gonna do if Trump loses? Pull the rest of your teeth out? (I have all my teeth, including the wisdom teeth.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Trump’s acquittal will do immense damage to America’s “soft power,” Washington’s ability to convince other nations to do what the US wants without using military force.

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Nope. All it's going to do is damage to Democrat's chances in November, which were already abysmal.

Losers losing lost.

Buh bye, morons.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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What are you gonna do if Trump loses? Pull the rest of your teeth out? (I have all my teeth, including the wisdom teeth.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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What are who gonna do?

You're missing a word in that sentence idiot.

Good for you and your teeth. Wow. You're cool man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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When US diplomats tell their foreign counterparts to be less corrupt, fix partisan problems, and adhere to the rule of law, those talking points won’t resonate.

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When I appeared before the House Judiciary Committee in November, I opposed four proposed articles of impeachment as legally flawed and explained that two would be legitimate if they were proven. The House Judiciary Committee rejected the challenged articles and accepted the two articles on abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. That left one fundamental area of disagreement. I warned the panel that it was rushing to a failed impeachment by insisting on a vote by Christmas. This was the shortest impeachment investigation in American history. It was also the narrowest grounds and thinnest record for trial. I have previously noted that witnesses like former national security adviser John Bolton indicated that they were willing to testify if subpoenaed, and that a couple months would have likely secured more testimony and supportive court orders.

Indeed, in the impeachment case of President Nixon, it took only a few months to go all the way to the Supreme Court for the final decision. So absent such a delay, the impeachment of Trump was guaranteed to fail, due to an incomplete and insufficient record. Yet the House insisted this was a “crime in progress” and there was no time to delay a submission to the Senate. It then immediately contradicted its rationale by waiting more than a month to submit articles of impeachment to the Senate. The House simply could not have made it easier on the president and his legal team.

The media ignored the obvious catastrophic blunder by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership. The media instead suggested that it was all some grand and brilliant scheme. They even credited the strategy with Bolton eventually coming forward to say he would testify with a subpoena, even though the same offer was made during the House investigation. The media also ignored the unexplained decision by the House to withdraw a subpoena for top Bolton aide Charles Kupperman, who went to court as a prerequisite for testimony, the same position taken by Bolton. Before the courts could even rule, the House mooted the case by withdrawing the subpoena. That made no sense, and the court dismissed the case after concluding that the House appeared to have no interest in the witness.

No harm would have come from pursuing testimony by Kupperman. Yet lead House manager Adam Schiff offered a facially dubious explanation that Kupperman had said he would litigate the issue. If Kupperman truly wanted to drag out litigation, he could have refused to appear before the House and waited for it to seek to compel his testimony. Instead, he said he just wanted a court order in favor of testifying for his own protection. Moreover, House Democrats continued to seek to compel the testimony of former White House counsel Donald McGahn, despite his continued litigation. It won that case as the House was voting on impeachment.

As these blunders by the House became more and more obvious, all the efforts to excuse them became more and more absurd. One main defense heard in the media was that it did not matter, given the Senate Republican majority. Yet if the House was certain to lose on that record, why end the investigation prematurely with a case that would be so easy to defeat? By waiting only a few months, the record would have been stronger. Instead, House Democrats surrendered control of the record to the opposing party and adopted a ridiculous strategy of demanding concessions to end with this trial that Senate Republicans loathed. That strategy failed miserably.

This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. This very series of events was expressly laid out before the vote, and House Democrats made a decision to choose certain failure over completing their impeachment case.

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Yanno, I was wondering why the DNC fucked up the impeachment so badly. I mean, the House had control of the timing and could have waited for favorable court rulings but rushed thru so fast they missed questioning Bolt-on.

And it occurred to me that maybe Nancy isn't as stupid as some people say she is.

do you know how some Congresspeople attach "riders" to bills that they KNOW aren't going to pass? Usually some sort of extreme proposal that sounds good in soundbites but is impossible to implement, or is unfunded or some such? That way they get to claim they proposed something without ever having to deal with the consequences ... yanno, Congressional virtue-signalling! It's as old as the hills.

Well, maybe the Dems MEANT for this impeachment to fail. The Dems never questioned the original "whistleblower" for what seems to me to be nonsensical reasons. They COULD have waited for Bolt-on to testify, but instead sent such a weak case to the Senate that the Senate was perfectly entitled to shoot it down. That way Nancy gets to satisfy the "posse" and then gets to blame Senate Republicans for the results.

Do I believe that politicians would engage is such crafty political calculations?

You betcha!

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Trump is not so loyal to the Republican Party.

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