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IG report incoming...
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:45 PM
THG
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 12:53 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:40 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing. It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership. The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer. You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:48 PM
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 2:06 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:32 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What's clear about the IG report is that it changes absolutely nothing. It's another 400 page document of obtuse legalese that 90% of American's aren't even going to read more than a page of, and news outlets with differing biases are going to cut little things out of it to make headlines for their respective viewership. The barometer didn't move. Not even a micrometer. You don't need to wait until November of next year to know that I'm right about that one. Just look at the RCP aggregate polls a week from now and watch as absolutely nothing changes. That's the sad truth - even when confronted with a mountain of facts and evidence Trump lovers just don't care, can't be bothered. Obey. He probably could shoot someone in broad day light and get a way with it. There's got to be more than just hating Dems that drives them. Truly a Jim Jones kind of cult. Conform. Brainless and spineless obedience. Some of us have the special glasses, though - we know.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 4:35 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:10 PM
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 7:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Yeah, Signy had it best. An investigation that looked ONLY into the FIB and not into its corrupt international sources was not going to get to the problem. It's like looking in your dishwasher for your coat ... and then claiming you don't have a coat.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 7:15 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you noticed, I have posted very little into this thread. The report turned out the way I thought it would, and I'll just have to wait for Durham's report, which will be much broader in scope.
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:56 PM
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:52 PM
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:25 PM
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:16 PM
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Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:40 AM
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 5:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol OPPS While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:05 AM
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Just as an aside, for all of you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans (if there are any here): You won't get any satisfaction from the Senate either. Lindsey Graham is talking about a one=day Senate trial. That means: No raking Eric Ciaramella over the coals. No skewering Adam Schiff. No digging into Hunter Biden's role with Burisma, nor any of the other investigative fantasies. Betcha dollars to donuts that's what happens.
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:43 AM
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 7:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Also, one more aside: This is what "draining the swamp" looks like, because "the swamp" has a tendency to push back hard. The swamp protects itself, and, as Chuck Schumer (D, NY) said, it has "six ways from Sunday" of getting back at you.
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Just as an aside, for all of you dyed-in-the-wool Republicans (if there are any here): You won't get any satisfaction from the Senate either. Lindsey Graham is talking about a one=day Senate trial. That means: No raking Eric Ciaramella over the coals. No skewering Adam Schiff. No digging into Hunter Biden's role with Burisma, nor any of the other investigative fantasies. Lindsey Graham is a neocon. Even if he himself (and other Senate Republicans) didn't participate in the free-for-all that was Ukraine, Graham is as much a product of the swamp as Joe Biden. No swamp creature wants to unmask another swamp creature: Professiona courtesy, you know. Betcha dollars to donuts that's what happens. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:18 PM
Quote: “We are deeply concerned that so many basic and fundamental errors
Quote: were made by three separate, hand-picked investigative teams; on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations; after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels within the FBI; even though the information sought through use of FISA authority related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign; and even though those involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subjected to close scrutiny. We believe this circumstance reflects a failure not just by those who prepared the FISA applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in the [investigation’s] chain of command, including FBI senior officials
Quote:who were briefed as the investigation progressed.”
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nope. You don't get to claim They Live. That movie was talking about you.
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you noticed, I have posted very little into this thread.
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nope. You don't get to claim They Live. That movie was talking about you. lol - no it wasn't.
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 3:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 3:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 lol - how many sentences of that article did you read? You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 4:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446] lol - how many sentences of that article did you read? You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol Yeah. I did see that. I'm calling it out for being a bullshit article. What's you're point? You can't really be THIS stupid. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446] lol - how many sentences of that article did you read? You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol Yeah. I did see that. I'm calling it out for being a bullshit article. What's you're point? You can't really be THIS stupid. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: While they're at it, somebody should hop in a time machine and tell Politico in 2017 that the Ukraine didn't meddle in the elections, yanno, so we can all be on the same page in December of 2019. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446] lol - how many sentences of that article did you read? You quoting Politico is priceless - what a hypocrite. Did you see where they said, "people familiar with the matter..." lol
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 5:24 PM
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Wednesday, December 11, 2019 6:10 PM
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 7:10 PM
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 7:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: OK sig kiki Jack and or rappy; how many fISA warrants did the FBI screw up in the Russia investigation? Did they get any right?
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 8:23 PM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:22 AM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:45 AM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:51 AM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh. So you read it already?
Thursday, December 12, 2019 7:10 AM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: OK sig kiki Jack and or rappy; how many FISA warrants did the FBI screw up in the Russia investigation? Did they get any right? Waiting...
Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:33 PM
Thursday, December 12, 2019 10:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp. So, they screwed up all of them. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, December 13, 2019 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp. So, they screwed up all of them. That...
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp. So, they screwed up all of them.
Friday, December 13, 2019 10:19 AM
Friday, December 13, 2019 10:20 AM
Friday, December 13, 2019 11:33 AM
Quote: House Judiciary just voted to approve two articles of impeachment against Trump.
Friday, December 13, 2019 12:04 PM
Quote:SIX: Anything based off of the Steele dossier is a partisan hack job, no matter how it was handled after it got the rubber stamp. So, they screwed up all of them. SIGNY: That... CC: ... is an extremely over simplified assumption made by someone who makes wildly general, mostly emotional and uneducated statements. fify https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/a-lot-of-the-steele-dossier-has-since-been-corroborated.html Quote:"One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent, and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. Even if it is largely false, the Kremlin still benefits from the confusion, uncertainty and political churn created by the resulting fallout. In any regard, the administration could help cauterize the damage by being honest, transparent and assisting those looking into the matter. Sadly, the president has done the opposite, ensuring a Russian win no matter what. In any event, I would suspect the Russians will look to muddy the waters and spread false and misleading information to confuse investigators and public officials. As things stand, both investigators and voters will have to examine the information in their possession and make sense of it as best they can. Professional investigators can marry the report with human and signals intelligence, they can look at call records, travel records, interview people mentioned in the report, solicit assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena records and tie it to subsequent events that can shed light on the various details. We, on the other hand, will have to do our best to validate the information at hand. Looking at new information through the framework outlined in the Steele document is not a bad place to start." I love how Trumpers try and protect their lord by crying "Trump was spied on!" as opposed to the more accurate, "he had so much Russian stink on him it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate him." It's called the Federal Bureau of Investigationafter all.
Quote:"One large portion of the dossier is crystal clear, certain, consistent, and corroborated. Russia’s goal all along has been to do damage to America and our leadership role in the world. Also, the methods described in the report fit the Russians to a tee. If the remainder of the report is largely true, Russia has a powerful weapon to help achieve its goal. Even if it is largely false, the Kremlin still benefits from the confusion, uncertainty and political churn created by the resulting fallout. In any regard, the administration could help cauterize the damage by being honest, transparent and assisting those looking into the matter. Sadly, the president has done the opposite, ensuring a Russian win no matter what. In any event, I would suspect the Russians will look to muddy the waters and spread false and misleading information to confuse investigators and public officials. As things stand, both investigators and voters will have to examine the information in their possession and make sense of it as best they can. Professional investigators can marry the report with human and signals intelligence, they can look at call records, travel records, interview people mentioned in the report, solicit assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena records and tie it to subsequent events that can shed light on the various details. We, on the other hand, will have to do our best to validate the information at hand. Looking at new information through the framework outlined in the Steele document is not a bad place to start." I love how Trumpers try and protect their lord by crying "Trump was spied on!" as opposed to the more accurate, "he had so much Russian stink on him it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate him." It's called the Federal Bureau of Investigationafter all.
Quote: human and signals intelligence, ... call records, travel records, interview[s] ... assistance from friendly foreign police and intelligence services, subpoena[s]...[and] subsequent events
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