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Shoo comrade...

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Just to remind everyone what all this frou-frou is about - here's the link to the transcript of the call.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2
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But I guess it's just a little thing.

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Ukrainian MP Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I find ridiculous is that the people here who were all hot to have a sitting President (Obama) use foreign governments (Britain, Ukraine, Australia) investigate* a candidate (Trump) are now suddenly all hot to run in the other direction. They're outraged - OUTRAGED, I tell you! - that Trump would do such a thing!

Crybabies.

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If the deep state me the sun rose on the east of is I'd demand verification

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ah... Russia. Now I get it.


Still don't care. Trump 2020. MAGA bitches.

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If the deep state told me the sun rose in the east I'd demand verification

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Ah... Russia. Now I get it.


Still don't care. Trump 2020. MAGA bitches.

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You don't "get it": Fiona Hill’s story from yesterday of Russian disinformation sounds very familiar because the Russians have been quietly seeding political scandals in the West for decades. Back in 1962, the Russians were running disinformation in Germany. Today, the U.S.A.

The Germans did not fully understand what was happening until 1987, when a KGB officer wrote a book about it. Nowadays, there is no excuse, other than being lazy and mentally slow, not to understand.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/11/fiona-hill-russia-disinformation-
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I look forward to Trump's second term, when the House of Representatives digs deeper and deeper into Trump's tax cheating. He will be visiting Walter Reed Medical Center twice a month for high blood pressure and bleeding from the rectum because of all his screaming about the Democrats taking away his wealth accumulated from tax cheating.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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We all know who the president was in 2015. It wasn’t evil, child-caging monster President Trump. It was that nice, compassionate, child-caging monster President Barack Obama.

Zap. The story made Obama look bad. Hence the story was removed. Not updated or corrected, removed.

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Every time you read something from AFP and Reuters (and CNN and the Washington Post), you should be thinking not “This is fake news” but: “What’s the agenda?” To paraphrase Chuck Schumer’s infamous, and instructive, comment on the CIA, news outlets have six ways from Sunday of getting you to think what they want you to think, none of which involve making up stuff.

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Impeachment Circus - Today's Bombshell Is Another Dud

The impeachment circus continued today with a refreshingly candid opening statement from Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the EU. Sondland was involved in diplomatic efforts in Ukraine. Instead of stonewalling Sondland just let it all out:

Gordon D. Sondland testified that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo signed off on the pressure campaign, and that he told Vice President Mike Pence about an apparent link between military aid for Ukraine and investigations of Democrats. Mr. Sondland confirmed there was a “clear quid pro quo” for a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukraine’s president. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/us/politics/impeachment-hearings.ht
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The anti-Trump media see this as another "bombshell" that will hurt him.

But it is more likely that Sondland's testimony will help President Trump and those involved on his side.

The President of the United States thought it to be in the interest of the United States to press Ukraine's government into publicly announcing investigations into two issues:

* The successful meddling by Ukrainian officials in the 2016 U.S. election.
* The evident intervention by then Vice President Biden into Ukrainian politics to the benefit of the owner of a company that paid his son more than $50,000 per month.

Sondland and other U.S. officials were negotiating with the Ukrainians about these demands. There were two potential points that they could use to pressure the Ukrainians into announcing investigations:

* The Ukrainian request for a visit by President Zelensky to the White House.
* The Ukrainian desire to receive military aid that Congress had allocated for that purpose.

It is not clear at all that Trump wanted those issues to be used to pressure Ukraine. Trump never told Sondland that these issues were connected:


Aaron Maté @aaronjmate - 15:58 UTC · Nov 20, 2019:

Sondland's testimony is not as damning as it's being portrayed. He says Trump never told him that money for US weapons ("security assistance") was conditioned on investigations. Sondland says that such a condition is what he came to believe based on his own inference.
His interpretation may well be correct (I'd bet it was). But his own interpretation is not direct evidence -- it's an interpretation. Given he's the star witness who spoke to Trump -- & he says Trump never even mentioned "security assistance" -- it's actually an evidentiary hole.
Sondland: "I've never heard from Trump that the aid was conditioned on the investigations." Also says Trump never mentioned “security assistance.” This is the star witness who spoke to Trump, & who relayed conditions to Ukraine — which he now says was based on his interpretation.
Sondland: “President Trump never told me directly that the aid was conditioned on the meetings. The only thing we got directly from Guiliani was that the Burisma and 2016 elections were conditioned on the White House meeting. The aid was my own personal, you know, guess.”

The negotiators, including Sondland, presumed that the demands and pressure points were linked. But Trump had never said so.

The negotiations around the Ukraine issues were going slow. It was not clear to the negotiators what Trump actually wanted. Sondland said that at one point he called up Trump and asked an open questions: "What do you want from Ukraine?".

According to Sondland Trump responded: "I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing."

Trump is a crook. It is fair to presume that he wanted his aides to use all potential pressure points to deliver the desired results from the Ukrainians. But Trump is also a smart enough crook to never say that.

Today he read the above quote from Sondland's testimony to the press. Some photographer took a picture of his notes.
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For two years the Democrats insisted on investigating alleged Russian interference in the U.S. election. What is wrong with Trump requesting an investigation into well documented Ukrainian interference?

Ukrainian corruption has been a concern of several administrations. What is wrong with Trump asking the Ukrainians to investigate a well known case that may have involved U.S. officials?

The U.S. is not a welfare organization. Official political White House meetings with the president are only granted if the U.S. hopes that it is to its advantage. Aid or loans are only granted by the U.S. when it is to its own advantage. The granting or withholding of such items are part of most international deals, as are threats. They are part of political deals between nations, not personal bribery.

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I've been noticing for a while now that Trump is a wily guy. Part of his negotiating style is never letting the other guy - or his underlings- know his exact bottom line.

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Yeah, yeah ... whatever.

If Trump was really falling apart, don't you think the deep state would have played that card dozens of times over ... held hearings about it already?

In thinking about this, it seems that while the deep state has had a hard time entrapping Trump, Hillary's shtick was destroying or hiding evidence. Not just the 33,000 emails that she bleach-bitted ...Like, with a cloth?... but also the Whitewater boxed evidence that mysteriously disappeared the same time that Vince Foster committed "suicide" and then mysteriously reappeared after the investigation was over. Obama's shtick was just "lie and hide everything" with the cooperation of the deep state. NONE of these people are clean.

And if you're voting for President because you think someone is pure, boy have YOU got growing-up to do! The reality is that the more expensive it is to run for office, the more likely it is that Dem Repub candidates will owe some very wealthy people SOMEthing.

Also, don't vote for Prez on a domestic agenda. The Prez really doesn't control that, that's Congress. The purview of the Prez is foreign policy and military matters. yanno, wake up and smell the coffee sometime.

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Read the transcript. Extortion: Javelins for phony dirt on Biden. Gods, that's probably the least of it! Don't you want to know what other phone conversations have been shunted over to that super secret server?
"Hiya, Vlad! How's it hangin'? Ukraine did what? Really?!? I'll get Rudy on it, pronto."

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No. It's in the article Second posted.

It's very relevant to show how Democrats in 2019 are pro war, pro censorship and pro large business monopolies.

You know who among you isn't? AOC. You'll notice nobody has heard a peep from her in quite a while now. Anything she had to say about Bezos or Amazon would not be welcome with the current narrative they're trying to push.

Only time will tell if that's a winning strategy for them. Especially since the impeachment will go nowhere.

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No. It's in the article Second posted.

It's very relevant to show how Democrats in 2019 are pro war, pro censorship and pro large business monopolies.

You know who among you isn't? AOC. You'll notice nobody has heard a peep from her in quite a while now. Anything she had to say about Bezos or Amazon would not be welcome with the current narrative they're trying to push.

Only time will tell if that's a winning strategy for them. Especially since the impeachment will go nowhere.

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What happened is that Amazon was the low bidder, but Trump hates Amazon because its CEO owns the Washington Post, which Trump also hates, so Trump gave IBM, the high bidder, the contract. There was some sneakiness where the technicalities of IBM pricing are adjusted to an amount just below what Amazon bid. And all the details are kept sealed, at least until Congress starts subpoenaing those bids and adjustments. Obviously, Trump will fight Congress in court to prevent those documents becoming known, because then we'd have more proof Trump is crooked, as is IBM.

"Where does JEDI go from here? Potentially to court."
www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2019/10/28/where-does-jedi-go-from
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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1KIKI:

1) The closed door testimonies are dress rehearsals that the democrats are running before they trot out their dog and pony show. This is especially apparent in the smooth, well-rehearsed testimony of the witnesses when answering the democrats' questions, and the stumbling the witnesses sometimes display when getting unanticipated republican questions.

2) It's quite obvious that the republicans have had zero opportunity to either call witnesses of their own, or to elicit testimony to their own lines of inquiry.

3) Apparently there are only *3* witnesses in this whole parade who heard the actual call. Since by now I've already heard 2, unless someone new and different blows this process out of the water, there's no 'there' there.

4) Every single one of the witnesses, and many of the democrats, admonish that Trump's request of Zelensky was inappropriate because a government shouldn't pursue politically motivated investigations. Always said without a trace of irony or self-recognition.

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Trump already manipulated them into putting all of this on the fast track a year before the election occurred.

He's going to force them to either cancel the whole thing or to put it to the Senate where it will be struck down immediately, long before Trump even debates somebody one on one for the first time. I'm hoping the Senate doesn't do that though. I want them to drag it out for the next year, all the way up until the election. Republicans will be able to get all of their own witnesses at that point and the ball will be in their court.

Trump's already said that he wants to testify. lol



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Those here who profess Trumps innocense are constantly doing so by posting bullshit. They are spouting old claims put forth by republicans that have been completely debunked. Stupid, they are just stupid.

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Those here who profess Trumps innocense are constantly doing so by posting bullshit. They are spouting old claims put forth by republicans that have been completely debunked. Stupid, they are just stupid.

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Dude... seriously. Don't make me start pointing out all of your spelling errors again. You were doing so well before the last few days.

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Let's do it. For instance, you have double spaces beginning both your sentences. Those are grammatical errors. Of course you have to quote this post to see that the site automatically corrected those mistakes for you.

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