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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It'll be a long, long time before anyone knows ALL the relevant facts.

But that doesn't stop you from being a deranged idiot, does it SLOPPY?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

Signy posted this elsewhere, it just took me a couple minutes to research this;

https://news.bitcoin.com/turkey-throws-another-wrench-into-the-usds-wo
rks-and-joins-russian-swift/
Turkey Throws Another Wrench Into the USD's Works and Joins Russian Swift

Let's see ... Turkey has Russia's defense system and is no longer reliant on buying US arms; and has joined the SWIFT alternative, blunting any sanctions efforts.

OOPS. They've slipped the US leash.

And to round out the info, so has Iran.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22092019-have-moscow-and-tehran-essentia
lly-turned-away-from-us-dollar-oped/
“Russia and Iran will transfer payments using an alternative system to the internationally recognized SWIFT money transfer network, Governor of Iranian central bank, ..."

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Because it's not like after the US-backed failed assassination attempt in 2016, and after the US-backed failed coup attempt in 2017, and after US sanctions that cratered the Turkish lira in 2018, ALL OF THE SUDDEN Erdogan decides to bring out something extra special.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Dissenting opinion by Neomi Rao - Nomiated by Donald Trump, March 18th, 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neomi_Rao

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Trump placed this particular person on this particular court to protect him from this particular subpoena. The dissenting opinion from the Trump judge was that Trump's tax returns stay secret until Trump is charged with tax evasion, but he can't be charged until tax returns are not secret and can be audited. The other two judges laughed at that Catch 22 nonsense from Trump's judge, the judge Trump owns. Trump has placed two of his judges on the Supreme Court. That might not be enough to protect Trump from the subpoena when this case goes to the Supreme Court.

I forgot to mention that Trump promised while campaigning to make these records known to all Americans, but once the moment came to make them known, Trump decided to sue to keep them secret.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think it's more a case of Trump being given a choice by a newly unshackled Erdogan (Turkey out of SWIFT in August): either ramp up US troop levels ASAP and engage in full-on war with Turkey (a NATO member), sacrifice them to superior numbers, or get out of the way.

After Turkey getting out of SWIFT, there are no more whips for the US to use on Turkey.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I don't give a single fuck if he cheated on his taxes, Second. That's what rich people like you do. Every single one of you. And that's never going to change. If poor people could get away with it too, we all would be doing it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think it's more a case of Trump being given a choice by a newly unshackled Erdogan (Turkey out of SWIFT in August): either ramp up US troop levels ASAP and engage in full-on war with Turkey (a NATO member), sacrifice them to superior numbers, or get out of the way.

After Turkey getting out of SWIFT, there are no more whips for the US to use on Turkey.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
1kiki, you said Turkey gave Trump the choice of either "full-on war with Turkey" or Trump moves the American Army out of Turkey's way into Syria.

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Trump would have mentioned the threat of "full-on war with Turkey" sometime in the days after that Sunday night phone call from Turkey, if it were true.

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Trump would NEVER mention that the actual threat was Trump losing his money in Turkey.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I think it's more a case of Trump being given a choice by a newly unshackled Erdogan (Turkey out of SWIFT in August): either ramp up US troop levels ASAP and engage in full-on war with Turkey (a NATO member), sacrifice them to superior numbers, or get out of the way.

After Turkey getting out of SWIFT, there are no more whips for the US to use on Turkey.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
1kiki, you said Turkey gave Trump the choice of either "full-on war with Turkey" or Trump moves the American Army out of Turkey's way into Syria.

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Not true SLOPPY. Is the only way you can 'win' an argument is by lying?

I said I think SWIFT was the last remaining pressure point on Erdogan. And Turkey leaving SWIFT at the end of August was it slipping the last rein holding it in. I ALSO said that there were FAR WORSE provocations that Turkey could have pressured Trump over since 2016 - a US-backed assassination attempt in 2016, a US-backed coup attempt in 2017, and US sanctions and currency-war that torpedoed the Turkish lira in 2018 and crashed the country's economy. You've left completely unaddressed WHY Turkey would have not used all its options including personal blackmail for any of those FAR WORSE provocations. Yanno, you STRAWMANNED my argument. (ie. lied. again.)

I ALSO said I think Trump was given a courtesy call by Erdogan about Trump's very limited options - a mere 6 weeks after Turkey left SWIFT. And Trump's choices were:
1) Leave your roughly 50 US troops in place and take your chances.
2) Use your roughly 50 troops to fight Turkey, and have them obliterated
3) Get your roughly 50 troops out of the way.
4) Ramp up your entire military for full-on war with Turkey.

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Trump would have mentioned the threat of "full-on war with Turkey" sometime in the days after that Sunday night phone call from Turkey, if it were true.

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Admitting those were the reasons for withdrawing the US fig-leaf force would have meant Trump admitting that he was out-maneuvered, and basically beaten on the geo-political field. That would have been very embarrassing for Trump.

He doesn't mind bellowing WAR!! against an already identified target, then backing down. It's harder to bellow WAR!! against a supposed NATO ally.

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Trump would NEVER mention that the actual threat was Trump losing his money in Turkey.

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Trump has already endured billions in losses, and he's filed for various business bankruptcies 6 times. It's nothing to him.

UNLIKE YOU, Trump doesn't equate his success with money. What matters is being seen as a 'winner'.

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you are completely out of your mind. Trump gave Turkey the go ahead during a phone call on Sunday for a war on the Kurds, and you can't admit it:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I don't give a single fuck if he cheated on his taxes, Second. That's what rich people like you do. Every single one of you. And that's never going to change. If poor people could get away with it too, we all would be doing it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You are the craziest Republican I have ever known. Fortunately, at least 3/4 of all Americans would be very angry at Trump if he had cheated on his taxes to the amount of $50 million. Since he says he is worth $10 billion, it is not unlikely he has cheated to the tune of $5 billion. Fifty million or five billion, whichever, would be the end of him as President, even if you still vote for him. But who knows? Maybe he is honest? If he is, why the hell is he fighting so hard to keep secret tax returns that he promised to make public as soon as his audit is complete? LOL, 6ix.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Not a republican.

Not going to pretend to give a shit about tax fraud either.

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1kiki, you are completely out of your mind. Trump gave Turkey the go ahead during a phone call on Sunday for a war on the Kurds, and you can't admit it

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND hears voices. They tell him what Trump says, what Trump thinks, and what Trump feels. They whisper in his ear and he believes them.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Not a republican.

Not going to pretend to give a shit about tax fraud either.

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Mostly true.

You're a "Pretend-not-to-be-a-Rethug-so-that-when-it-all-goes-down-I-can-disavow-being-duped Republican."

And you are too dumb or amoral to understand the implications of Trump committing tax fraud, not that you don't care.

If all the rich decide not to pay taxes, good luck calling the fire department when your niece is trapped in a burning building. Good luck calling a cop when your block is overrun by thugs. Good luck flying out of an airport, or driving down a road, or turning on a water main, you stupid fuck.

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1kiki, you are completely out of your mind. Trump gave Turkey the go ahead during a phone call on Sunday for a war on the Kurds, and you can't admit it

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SECOND hears voices. They tell him what Trump says, what Trump thinks, and what Trump feels. They whisper in his ear and he believes them. SECOND is

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody know what Cenk has to say about Turkey right now?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I asked what Cenk has to say about Turkey. Not Trump or the Kurds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I asked what Cenk has to say about Turkey. Not Trump or the Kurds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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In the video the answer Cenk gave was that the President of Turkey would throw every piece of dirt he had on Trump at Trump if Trump reversed himself on allowing an invasion of Syria. It would be interesting if Trump's Republican colleagues did get him to reverse himself. Then we might find out what the President of Turkey said to Trump during that infamous Sunday night phone call in order to persuade Trump to stab America's allies, the Kurds, in the back.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.

tick tock

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Originally posted by THG:
The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.

tick tock

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Originally posted by THG:
The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.

tick tock

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If the GOP Senators do get Trump to retract the permission he gave to the President of Turkey to invade Syria, and then Turkey confiscates Trump's property, it would strongly suggest that Trump gave the permission in the first place mainly to protect his property. From that, his impeachment will follow.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The republicans are in a unique position at the moment. If I were them I'd walk into the oval office and tell Trump if he doesn't follow their instructions going forward, they'll impeach him and put him in jail. Either that or to get out of town.

tick tock

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If the GOP Senators do get Trump to retract the permission he gave to the President of Turkey to invade Syria, and then Turkey confiscates Trump's property, it would strongly suggest that Trump gave the permission in the first place mainly to protect his property. From that, his impeachment will follow.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Woudln't it be more reality-basd to wonder why Trump promised to pull our troops out of the Mideast FOUR YEARS AGO? It's not like this is a surprise!

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NO IT'S NOT A SURPRISE.

We have an agreement with Saudi Arabia, it's called the petrodollar agreement. In return for Saudi Arabia promising to require dollars for oil and recycling those dollars into our Treasuries, we promised to protect Saudi Arabia militarily.

That agreement was made some time around 1973

We have since accommodated the Saudis in all kinds of ways ever since, from overlloking their funding of radical madrassas all over the Mideast and N Africa, spreading their wahhabist ideology, to hiding and protecting the Saudi funders and abbetors of the 9-11 attacks to protecting the petrodollar by attacking any oil-producing nation that threatened to go off the petrodollar (Iraq, Libya) to aiding and abetting the Saudis in their wars of choice (Yemen, Syria, Iran).

Putting troops in Saudi Arabia is just pulling back to the original scope of the agreement: protect Saudi Arabia (and its oil infrastructure). Now, if Turmp would only end our involvement in Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq we'd be better off.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Bring something to the board besides your nutty bald faced lies

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SECONDRATE, you're making shit up, again.

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SECONDRATE, you're making shit up, again.

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It is Trump that makes shit up: “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth.”

The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony.

Sondland plans to tell lawmakers he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth at that moment. “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-envoy-to-testify-that-no-quid-p
ro-quo-came-from-trump/ar-AAIGOD4

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It's like with Trump SECOND. The trolls we deal with lies are the proof of who and what they are. We need do nothing more than to let their post speak for itself.

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SECONDRATE, you're making shit up, again.

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It is Trump that makes shit up: “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth.”

The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony.

Sondland plans to tell lawmakers he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth at that moment. “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth.”

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-envoy-to-testify-that-no-quid-p
ro-quo-came-from-trump/ar-AAIGOD4

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It's like with Trump SECOND. The trolls we deal with lies are the proof of who and what they are. We need do nothing more than to let their post speak for itself.

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Originally posted by THG:
Trump’s envoy to testify that ‘no quid pro quo’ came from Trump

The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-envoy-to-testify-that-n
o-quid-pro-quo-came-from-trump/ar-AAIGOD4?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

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It's like with Trump, SECOND. The trolls we deal with lies are the proof of who and what they are. We need do nothing more than to let their post speak for itself.

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It's like with Trump, SECOND. The trolls we deal with lies are the proof of who and what they are. We need do nothing more than to let their post speak for itself.

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There is something fundamentally wrong with how Americans solve crime. If the criminal won't confess, the system can't solve the crime. There is a sociopath who went on a 40 year murder spree. Only now, when the old fool is talking about his exploits, will the system be able to solve 96 murders. But if the system would look at how the man lived his life during those 40 years, the system would not have waited until he was fat, old, slow and stupid to catch him. Trump is getting fat, old, slow and stupid. The system might catch him, too, but there were many instances in his past that indicated he is a sociopath who should have been locked up.

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-09-25/texas-ranger-got-one-of-
the-nations-worst-serial-killers-to-talk-this-is-how

"The wealthy 'make mistakes', the poor go to jail"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/wall-street-versus-poor-
in-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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They could catch more if they really did audited the rich more. The money recovered would more than pay for the added staffs. I've heard there would be billions more in taxes paid.

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They could catch more if they really did audited the rich more. The money recovered would more than pay for the added staffs. I've heard there would be billions more in taxes paid.

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It's like with Trump, SECOND. The trolls we deal with lies are the proof of who and what they are. We need do nothing more than to let their post speak for itself.

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There is something fundamentally wrong with how Americans solve crime. If the criminal won't confess, the system can't solve the crime. There is a sociopath who went on a 40 year murder spree. Only now, when the old fool is talking about his exploits, will the system be able to solve 96 murders. But if the system would look at how the man lived his life during those 40 years, the system would not have waited until he was fat, old, slow and stupid to catch him. Trump is getting fat, old, slow and stupid. The system might catch him, too, but there were many instances in his past that indicated he is a sociopath who should have been locked up.

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-09-25/texas-ranger-got-one-of-
the-nations-worst-serial-killers-to-talk-this-is-how

"The wealthy 'make mistakes', the poor go to jail"
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/wall-street-versus-poor-
in-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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