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My only question is why Russia has become such a thing for 6. He’s constantly bringing it up. You don’t suppose he's joined the mailing list do you?

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I honestly think he thinks Sig is just trying to be his friend and that she's being persecuted for her views so he's trying to show her he's sorta with her agenda.

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And I believe what the CIA tells me ...


Yanno, Donald Trump's campaign was being spied on IN REAL TIME, while Trump was still campaigning and his staff subject to a number of "dangles", and they didn't find anything then. Then Mueller looked into every possible angle of Trump-Russia "collusion" after-the-fact and he STILL didn't find anything. It's too bad that Mueller didn't see fit to actually interview Assange, who could TELL HIM WHERE THE FILES CAME FROM. But I think Mueller didn't actually want to unearth exculpatory evidence; there were several obvious threads that he SHOULD have followed, but refused to. And if this source was exfiltrated in July 2017, why didn't Mueller point to it as evidence?

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My only question is why Russia has become such a thing for 6. He’s constantly bringing it up. You don’t suppose he's joined the mailing list do you?

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I honestly think he thinks Sig is just trying to be his friend and that she's being persecuted for her views so he's trying to show her he's sorta with her agenda.

There is definitely a pattern of him going with opposing views just because they are the opposing view because he thinks it makes him an intellectual rogue, when he really just can't tell for himself which side of an issue is the dumb one.

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Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "

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Of course he could. ANYone could lie to Mueller ... even this CIA "asset" could be lying. That's why you would look for EVIDENCE ... which BTW the FBI completely failed to do with the DNC server.

Maybe Assange has the original thumb drive. Maybe he has a signed affidavit. Nothing Wikileaks has ever published has been found to be falsified, clearly there is some verification process at work! But, we won't know ... will we? ... because Mueller never went down one of the most obvious investigatory paths.

It's ridiculous .... you trust in the most woo-woo statements from a press that has spread proven lies in the past... and an agency that has provably lied in the past, and you overlook the most obvious avenues of getting real information. You also fail to apply the most rudimentary logic to what you read/hear and fail to scan for inconsistencies, incompleteness, and cui bono?.

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This is what KIKI calls "mindreading" at its worst. If I were to speculate why Comey was fired it was because Comey lied to Trump bald-faced, telling Trump that he was not under investigation while running a covert op/leak campaign against him. In my book, that should be enought to get anbody fired. Jeez, you're tool.

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Of course he could. ANYone could lie to Mueller ... even this CIA "asset" could be lying. That's why you would look for EVIDENCE ... which BTW the FBI completely failed to do with the DNC server.

Maybe Assange has the original thumb drive. Maybe he has a signed affidavit. Nothing Wikileaks has ever published has been found to be falsified, clearly there is some verification process at work! But, we won't know ... will we? ... because Mueller never went down one of the most obvious investigatory paths.

It's ridiculous .... you trust in the most woo-woo statements from a press that has spread proven lies in the past... and an agency that has provably lied in the past, and you overlook the most obvious avenues of getting real information. You also fail to apply the most rudimentary logic to what you read/hear and fail to scan for inconsistencies, incompleteness, and cui bono?.

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This is what KIKI calls "mindreading" at its worst. If I were to speculate why Comey was fired it was because Comey lied to Trump bald-faced, telling Trump that he was not under investigation while running a covert op/leak campaign against him. In my book, that should be enought to get anbody fired. Jeez, you're tool.

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This is why Trump's income tax returns make him more vulnerable than anything about Russia. And he and his accountants won't be able to lie their way out of paying what Trump owes.

There are actual numbers on file with the IRS for what Trump paid all the way back to when he was a baby. And it is possible for forensic accountants who usually work on bankruptcies and divorces to calculate what Trump should have paid. It is almost like Science!

About 80% of Americans are opposed to tax cheating, especially by Presidents. Check what happened to Nixon. Despite Trump promising he would make his tax returns available to the public, he is using the power of Presidency to prevent the numbers filed with IRS from ever being known to Congress because, if those were known, even some Trump lovers would fall out of love with Trump.

I'm personally familiar with how easy (AND 100% PROFITABLE!) it is for tax cheating American One-Percenters to not get caught. They aren't the President, so they don't worry much about the IRS, or Congress, or the New York Times showing interest in their tax-cheating. I'm sure that Trump did cheat, but until those IRS numbers are known, most Americans won't be sure. Most Americans will never be sure about Russiagate because everybody is lying about everything. They can be sure about Trump's tax-cheating, it will be a number measured in dollars, but only after Trump's tax returns are made available.

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Great. Like I've said before, he ain't my daddy.

I like how things are going now though, compared to the previous administrations 8 years. So I'm in no hurry to see his tax returns for the next 5 years.

After that, by all means, lock up the entire Trump family in the same cell that was supposed to be housing the Clinton family today.

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'One America News' Claims Defamation In $10 Million Lawsuit Against Rachel Maddow

It looks as though liberals may never learn that just because they disagree with someone's opinion, it doesn't automatically make them a tool of the Russian government. And leading the charge of liberals disseminating Russiagate nothingburgers, of course, continues to be Rachel Maddow.

Conservative television network One America News (OAN) is suing Rachel Maddow for $10 million after she referred to the network as "paid Russian propaganda". OAN filed the defamation suit in federal court in San Diego, according to AP. OAN is a small, family owned conservative network that is based in San Diego and has received favorable Tweets from the President. It is seen as a competitor to Fox News.

OAN's lawsuit claims that Maddow's comments were retaliation after OAN President Charles Herring accused Comcast of censorship. The suit said that Comcast refuses to carry its channel because “counters the liberal politics of Comcast’s own news channel, MSNBC.”

It was about a week after Herring e-mailed a Comcast executive when Maddow opened her show by referring to a Daily Beast report that claimed an OAN employee also worked for Sputnik News, which has ties to the Russian government.

Maddow said: “In this case, the most obsequiously pro-Trump right-wing news outlet in America really literally is paid Russian propaganda.

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Their on-air U.S. politics reporter is paid by the Russian government to produce propaganda for that government.”

Except Maddow, likely still upset from spending 3 years trying to promulgate a Russian hoax that didn't exist, didn't quite get her facts straight. Big surprise.

OAN said in its lawsuit that while reporter Kristian Rouz was associated with Sputnik News, he worked solely as a freelancer for them and was not a staff employee of OAN. And the lawsuit includes a statement from Rouz stating that while he has written some 1,300 articles over the past 4 and a half years for Sputnik, he has "...never written propaganda, disinformation, or unverified information.”

Skip Miller, OAN's attorney stated:

“One America is wholly owned, operated and financed by the Herring family in San Diego. They are as American as apple pie. They are not paid by Russia and have nothing to do with the Russian government. This is a false and malicious libel, and they’re going to answer for it in a court of law.”

The lawsuit included an August 6th letter from an NBC Universal attorney who stated that "OAN publishes content collected or created by a journalist who is also paid by the Russian government for writing over a thousand articles. Ms. Maddow’s recounting of this arrangement is substantially true and therefore not actionable."

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Great. Like I've said before, he ain't my daddy.

I like how things are going now though, compared to the previous administrations 8 years. So I'm in no hurry to see his tax returns for the next 5 years.

After that, by all means, lock up the entire Trump family in the same cell that was supposed to be housing the Clinton family today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Russiagate has political questions: Is it serious enough to jail Trump? Or only serious enough to switch in Pence and allow Trump to go back to his annual tax cheating? The Republican Senators and Trump voters don't want to ask the questions. But tax cheating is not political and does not necessarily mean jail for Trump. It could simply mean . . . Trump finally pays what he always owed. I think he'd be a better President if he'd just pay and stop the constant lying about everything, including where his tax returns are, whether he promised to make the returns available, did the Russians help him get elected, will he balance the budget, hurricanes (not) in Alabama, and the Clintons.

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Great. Like I've said before, he ain't my daddy.

I like how things are going now though, compared to the previous administrations 8 years. So I'm in no hurry to see his tax returns for the next 5 years.

After that, by all means, lock up the entire Trump family in the same cell that was supposed to be housing the Clinton family today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Russiagate has political questions: Is it serious enough to jail Trump? Or only serious enough to switch in Pence and allow Trump to go back to his annual tax cheating? The Republican Senators and Trump voters don't want to ask the questions. But tax cheating is not political and does not necessarily mean jail for Trump. It could simply mean . . . Trump finally pays what he always owed. I think he'd be a better President if he'd just pay and stop the constant lying about everything, including where his tax returns are, whether he promised to make the returns available, did the Russians help him get elected, will he balance the budget, hurricanes (not) in Alabama, and the Clintons.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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lol

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Maybe I should make my opinion clear?

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The irony of SECOND posting that Trump is "nuts" isn't lost on me.

It's almost as funny as WISHY posting about "What idiots possible think".

Sometimes life is just funny.

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For the first time in five years, Karla Haskell on Tuesday saw her son from the witness stand as she testified at his murder trial.

The last time was in July 2014, before he left her home in California, drove to Texas and executed six members of the Stay family in Spring.

The mother scarcely looked at Ronald Haskell, 39, for long. Referring to him as Ronnie — like she always has — she described his altogether pleasant childhood and assured the jurors that she would always love him.

But a darker thread emerged in her story as defense attorneys attempted to get to the root of Haskell's mental illness. Karla Haskell told jurors that Ronald's life crumbled after his wife and four children left him in 2013, culminating in an assault on his mother and the slaying of the Stays one week later.

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Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "

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This is called people being normal human beings.

We actually have, yanno, personalities and we regularly interact with each other about non political things and real life stuff we actually have control over.

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Unlike the little political circle jerk you guys got going on when you pile on other people together because the only thing you have in common is your authoritarian political points of view.

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The reason why I say you're nuts, SECOND, is because you'll post that it's TAXES!* and right after that you'll post that it's RUSSIA!!** and then right after that you'll post some other made-up shit.

*The IRA is auditing Trump. Neither you nor I have any evidence that Trump cheated on his TAXES! that is merely your fantasy assumption

** Trump has been thru the wringer on RUSSIA!! Not only is there no evidence that he colluded with Russia, there is significant evidence that this whole thing was an internationally-coordinated covert operation against Trump and a giant psyop against the American people. And yet, you still post that Trump should go to jail for it.

You'd be a lot more credible if you would stop focusing on delusions and start focusing on the real problems with Trump and the Trump administration, instead of carrying on with this private vendetta that you seem to have with the Party of Nixon (which itself is kind of moronic because it was Johnson that ramped up the war in Vietnam and Nixon that got us out).

Meet me over here President Trump: good, bad, and ugly http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61325 and let's talk about reality.

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Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "

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This is called people being normal human beings.

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That's how it starts, dude - classic, "I'm just a regular person just like you..." Next you'll get a small favor to do. You haven't been pm'd yet have you? You should read about Carter Page's early recruitment efforts. It's hilarious and unclassified. Turns out Americans are very trusting and and make for great targets.

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Unlike the little political circle jerk you guys got going on when you pile on other people together because the only thing you have in common is your authoritarian political points of view.

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Authoritarian? You don't know what the word means, obviously.

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I have maybe conversed directly with Wish 5 times in total since this board was created. And that's pretty typical of the other people who share a similar political pov with. No pms either.

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Whereas you are a frequent participant in one of the longest running self help threads on this forum. That one's a circle jerk, son.

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Oh, all of the fake scandals that you keep mouth-breathing about, SECOND? THOSE "scandals"? Pull your head out of CNN's ass once in a while, willya?

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SECOND, what I'm reading is that a looney tune (you) is telling me that I should listen to another looney tune recommend a third looney tune for President. Got it.

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Godz - I couldn't have said it any better. Someone play the Close Encounters scale. Sometimes choosing the unpopular side makes a person feel gutsy and unique and in control, livin' on the edge with the cool kids. Here's a tell so big it needs it's own zip code: "Too funny, SIX! Like Soph, but ... older! "

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We actually have, yanno, personalities and we regularly interact with each other about non political things and real life stuff we actually have control over.

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That's how it starts, dude - classic, "I'm just a regular person just like you..." Next you'll get a small favor to do. You haven't been pm'd yet have you? You should read about Carter Page's early recruitment efforts. It's hilarious and unclassified. Turns out Americans are very trusting and and make for great targets.

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Wow. Paranoid much.

To what ends, man? What are they recruiting me for? Who would possibly pay two individuals to be posting on a website that nobody but a dozen or so people still visit to recruit them for some nefarious purpose? Or is it three? Is Brenda also on the payroll already, or is she just a sucker like me?

Maybe you could do me a favor here and tell me exactly what they'd be going after me for?

I've got no money. If nothing else, I've made that abundantly clear.

I've never been on a plane, and I never intend on getting on one unless the day comes where I cross going to New Zealand off my bucket list. CA is not New Zealand, so if they ever need any help with anything in person they're going to have to come to me. This is also something that's very well known since I've said quite a few times that anywhere I've ever sat down I've never been more than 250 miles away from that spot.

Okay... so how about help with some online Russian scheme? Well... I can't imagine I'd be any help there either. I don't do Facebook or Twitter. I have a YouTube page, but everything is set to private.

The only possible thing I could think of would be trying to get me to support any alleged legal action that is going to be taken against anybody here for libel. Well, guess what buddy? I've already voiced my opinion on that MANY times and I'm STRONGLY AGAINST any such action from anybody here.

You'll probably also notice that Kiki and I are still prone to get into arguments outside of the garden and rain thread on certain things that I don't suppose we're ever going to change each other's minds on.


So.... Social Engineering in the RWED? Seriously dude, WTF would somebody recruit me for? To argue against half a dozen people who are never going to change their mind on anything?

I can't tell whether this delusion of yours is mistakenly putting far to much value on me as an asset, or it's just putting far too much value on your own opinions on the world.

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I absolutely do. And if you yourself haven't come out with any authoritarian statements, you have never come out against any of your comrades here that have. Specifically, "Bash the Fash" Marcos, the insanity that has come out of Wishy's mouth the greater part of last few years or Second's constant calls for the assassination of the President, or telling me specifically that if he were in my shoes he would have already murdered his bosses and taken all of their money. Even T has spoke out against Second for this rhetoric on at least one occasion, and T hasn't acknowledged my presence here for going on two months now.

Do you need specific examples? I could find thousands.

You support authoritarianism as a means to an end that you prefer, you just don't have the balls yourself to go down that path and you're happy to sit back and watch others do it for you. It's also why, at least for now while they're not censoring voices that you prefer to hear, you're not against censorship and you're not for amending the Constitution in this new age we live in to protect free speech on the internet.

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The first thing you've said that I'm not going to argue you on.

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Okay. Tell me how?

Let's do a comparison, shall we?

Of all the things you've ever bitched and whined about with the other bitches and whiners here, name one single thing you've ever done. Name one single right you've ever wronged. Name one single way you've made life better for yourself and those you care about by posting your bullshit here?


We're doing it.

It's kind of obvious that you all read it too. Maybe some like you just skim here or there, but Second takes time out of his millionaire life to really read and comprehend everything. He found a post I made 7 or 8 years ago stating the exact make and model of a lawnmower that I have which I jerry rigged a way to get the flap I never use to stay on without falling off and he sent me an Amazon link to the exact flap I would need to buy for it, telling me to stop being so cheap and just buy the damn thing.


You're welcome to join us. If you can stop being a dick while you're there.

There's no recruiting going on. I'm not a Russian asset. They're not setting me up to Jonestown myself one day.

But don't let anybody tell you what to do. By all means, continue with your circle jerk that has gotten you nowhere and has only served to make you an angry, scared little man.

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You do realize that only half of all people "don't care"? They are passive. They feel they must take what life sends their way. Then there are the people who do care. Those people tend to get what they want because of their intensity. You can even know the numbers for their intensity and what they got in exchange:

Median and average net worth by education
No high school diploma: Median net worth: $22,800 (average net worth: $157,200).
High school diploma: $67,100 ($249,600).
Some college: $66,100 ($340,600).
College degree: $292,100 ($1,511,100).
What is the moral of this story? (Those Americans who don't finish college tend to not get rich. Trump will do nothing to fix that.)

Median and average net worth by age
Under 35: Median net worth: $11,100 (average net worth: $76,200).
35-44: $59,800 ($288,700).
45-54: $124,200 ($727,500).
55-64: $187,300 ($1,167,400).
65-74: $224,100 ($1,066,000).
75+: $264,800 ($1,067,000).
What is the moral of this story? (Those Americans who don't look after themselves tend to drop dead younger and poorer than those who do. Trump will do nothing to fix that.)

The median net worth of the average U.S. household is $97,300. Median is the middle point where half the households have more and half have less.
What is the moral of this story? (Half of Americans are very short on intensity and what they will receive is only as large as their intensity. Trump will do nothing to fix that.)

www.marketwatch.com/story/whats-your-net-worth-and-how-do-you-compare-
to-others-2018-09-24


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No one in real life is gonna listen to a blowhard. This is all he's got.
And Sig, too. I can't imagine too many people near her would listen to her "what did poor wittle Trump DO?" routine without trying to knock a few teeth out.

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So contrary to the fake news that the WaPo, NYT and CNN are trying to paint this as signs of future trouble for Republicans, it was not only a huge win behind the scenes for the GOP, but compared to the extremely tight results of the "blew wave" of 2018 in District 9, the GOP has actually increased its win there since the mid-terms. It didn't even matter that Dems all over the country infused nearly 4 million dollars into a state legislature they should by all rights not have even cared about other than to push a narrative that they were unable to push after the results were in.

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Even though somebody paid big bucks for a DC firm to manage the candidacy and infuse $120,000 of the $5 Million Dem Dan "raised", mostly from out of state actors, compared to the less than $2 Million GOP Dan raised in what everyone agrees is a Republican district.

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"Not only did he lose, but he lost by more than 4 times the vote of the previous election where alleged fraud took place."
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Do you know much about North Carolina, btw? A hardcore GOP state. Trump won that district by 12%, and yet GoP Dan won by only 2%, even with Trump stumping for his him right before the vote. Did you know that? You really that's a move in the right direction?

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So contrary to the fake news that the WaPo, NYT and CNN are trying to paint this as signs of future trouble for Republicans, it was not only a huge win behind the scenes for the GOP, but compared to the extremely tight results of the "blew wave" of 2018 in District 9, the GOP has actually increased its win there since the mid-terms. It didn't even matter that Dems all over the country infused nearly 4 million dollars into a state legislature they should by all rights not have even cared about other than to push a narrative that they were unable to push after the results were in.

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SECONDRATE: Do you know what an "atrocity" is? Killing a few hundred thousand people if feckless wars. Stop hyperventilating.

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Gen. Flynn’s Endgame Approaches
Brian Cates
Commentary

Having followed Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn’s perjury case from the beginning, it’s been apparent to me for some time that there are a lot of things in this case that just don’t add up. Strange occurrences abound.

Here are just some of the twists and turns in the case, which has gone on for more than three years.

1 Flynn’s trip to Russia in 2015, where it was claimed Flynn went without the knowledge or approval of the DIA or anyone in Washington, was proven not to be true.
2 Flynn was suspected of being compromised by a supposed Russian agent, Cambridge academic Svetlana Lokhova, based on allegations from Western intelligence asset Stefan Halper. This was also proven to be not true.
3 Flynn’s phone calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were framed as being incredibly shady and a potential violation of the Logan Act. This allegation was always preposterous.
4 Unnamed intelligence officials leaked the details of the Flynn-Kislyak phone calls to The Washington Post.
5 FBI agents Peter Strzok and Joseph Pientka were dispatched by Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe to interview Flynn at the White House, even though the FBI had already reviewed the transcripts of the calls and cleared Flynn of any crimes.
6 Both FBI Director James Comey and McCabe testified to Congress that Flynn didn’t lie.
7 Despite what McCabe and Comey both testified to under oath before Congress, the Mueller special counsel’s office decided to prosecute Flynn for perjury in November of 2017.
8 The very strange post-dated FD-302 form on the FBI’s January 2017 interview of Flynn that wasn’t filled out until August 2017, almost seven months afterward, is revealed in a court filing by Flynn’s defense team.
9 FBI agent Pientka became the “DOJ’s Invisible Man,” despite the fact that Congress has repeatedly called for him to testify. Pientka has remained out of sight and out of mind more than a year and a half since his name first surfaced in connection with the Flynn case.
10 Judge Rudolph Contreras was removed from the Flynn case immediately after accepting Flynn’s guilty plea and was replaced by Judge Emmit Sullivan.
11 Sullivan issued what’s known as a Brady order to prosecutors–which ordered them to immediately turn over any exculpatory evidence to Flynn’s defense team. Flynn’s team then made a filing alleging the withholding of exculpatory evidence.
12 Flynn was given a chance to withdraw his guilty plea by Judge Sullivan but refused, and insisted to go forward with sentencing.
13 Flynn suddenly fired his lawyers for the past two years and hired Sidney Powell to lead his new legal team following special counsel Robert Mueller’s disastrous testimony to Congress. And now, the latest startling development:
14 Flynn filed to have the Mueller prosecution team replaced for having withheld exculpatory evidence, despite Sullivan having directly ordered them to hand any such evidence over months ago.

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Now, it’s not that far-fetched of an idea that the Mueller special counsel prosecutors would hide exculpatory evidence from the Flynn defense team, since they’ve just admitted to having done exactly that in another case their office has been prosecuting.

The defense team for Internet Research Agency/Concord, more popularly known as “the Russian troll farm case,” hasn’t been smooth going for the Mueller prosecutors.

First, the prosecution team got a real tongue-lashing from Judge Dabney L. Friedrich in early July, when it turned out they had no evidence whatsoever to prove their assertion that the Russian troll farms were being run by the Putin government.

Then, in a filing submitted to the court on Aug. 30, the IRA/Concord defense team alerted Judge Friedrich that the prosecutors just got around to handing them key evidence the prosecutors had for the past 18 months. The prosecution gave no explanation whatsoever as to why they hid this key evidence for more than a year.

It’s hard to see at this point how the entire IRA/Concord case isn’t tossed out.

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What would it mean for Flynn’s prosecutors to have been caught hiding exculpatory evidence from him and his lawyers, even after the presiding judge explicitly ordered them in February to hand over everything they had?

It would mean that the Flynn case is tossed out, since the prosecution team was caught engaging in gross misconduct.

Now you can see why Flynn refused to withdraw his guilty plea when Judge Sullivan gave him the opportunity to do so in late December 2018.

A withdrawal of the guilty plea or a pardon would let the Mueller prosecution team off the hook.

And they’re not getting off the hook.

Flynn hired the best lawyer he possibly could have when it comes to exposing prosecutorial misconduct. Nobody knows the crafty, corrupt, and dishonest tricks federal prosecutors use better than Powell, who actually wrote a compelling book about such matters, entitled “License to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice.”

Everything this Mueller prosecution team did in withholding exculpatory evidence from Flynn’s defense team—and continued to withhold even after Judge Sullivan specifically issued an order about it—is going to be fully exposed.

Defying a federal judge’s Brady order is a one-way ticket to not only getting fired, it’s a serious enough offense to warrant disbarment and prosecution.

If it turns out Mueller special counsel prosecutors withheld exculpatory evidence— not only in the IRA/Concord case, but also in the cases against Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Rick Gates, Roger Stone, and others—that will have a huge impact.

If they are willing to withhold exculpatory evidence in one case, why wouldn’t they do the same thing in other cases they were prosecuting? Haven’t they have already demonstrated they are willing to break the rules?

Brian Cates is a writer based in South Texas and author of “Nobody Asked For My Opinion … But Here It Is Anyway!” He can be reached on Twitter @drawandstrike.

Views expressed in this article are the opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's say that it WAS fraud and that the previous GOP candidate did cheat. That would mean that 2018 was even closer than previously recorded, or even that the Democratic candidate actually won in 2018. Maybe even by more than GOP Dan won by in the special election now.

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If that is the case, then this new election is even better news for the GOP since the vote spread was almost 4,000 votes in favor of GOP Dan.

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If the fraud was real, my point is even stronger. Maybe GOP Dan got 5 to 10 times as many votes vs the Democratic candidate than the 2018 candidate did.

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6IX:

If the fraud was real, my point is even stronger. Maybe GOP Dan got 5 to 10 times as many votes vs the Democratic candidate than the 2018 candidate did.

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Originally posted by JO753:

That gets diluted by how much effort they were able to put into it this time.

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If the Demz had a clue on how to fite the bad guyz, they woud hav sent Michelle Obama to stump for their guy. She woud hav squashed Trump like a bug!!!!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The GOP does do it. I said so in the 2020 thread and even went a bit in depth about it. It's a huge problem and it should be barred.

My point in this particular case however is that Dem Dan "outraised" GOP Dan by 2 1/2 times, nearly all of that money from DC, NY, IL and CA and almost none of it coming from people within the state.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Think about it for a second, buddy.

Let's say that it WAS fraud and that the previous GOP candidate did cheat. That would mean that 2018 was even closer than previously recorded, or even that the Democratic candidate actually won in 2018. Maybe even by more than GOP Dan won by in the special election now.

If that is the case, then this new election is even better news for the GOP since the vote spread was almost 4,000 votes in favor of GOP Dan.

If the fraud was real, my point is even stronger. Maybe GOP Dan got 5 to 10 times as many votes vs the Democratic candidate than the 2018 candidate did.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I know all about those numbers.

I'm telling you to look at the FEC receipts and see that all of Dem Dan's support was from out of state and that a large DC firm called Prism Communications was paid off by somebody to not only handle his campaign but to infuse $120,000 of cash into his coffer.

Even with all of that outside help, Dem Dan couldn't win. The only thing they got for all that energy and money wasted was to be able to paint the false narrative you're regurgitating with your 12% vs 2% statistic and completely ignoring the money behind the scenes.

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You don't seem to realize that a Dem win would have helped Dems everywhere, especially this early. Another reason why "nobody cares" is such unthinking on your part.

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How exactly would it have helped? A single seat when Democrats are nowhere near a super-majority? Especially when the 3rd District also had an election on the same night and the GOP blew the Dem candidate out of the water with very little news coverage.

I'll answer that for you. It would have allowed these "news" outlets to continue to push their narrative that the GOP is in trouble in 2020.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Looking at all of their headlines regarding the race, it seems that losing this even though the deck was heavily stacked in their favor...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Believe whatever you want though. You're only setting yourself up for another huge letdown if you don't heed my words here.

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