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Seattle Has Figured Out How to End the War on Drugs
Sunday, August 25, 2019 12:10 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Sunday, August 25, 2019 5:03 PM
THG
Sunday, August 25, 2019 10:10 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, August 26, 2019 10:43 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, August 26, 2019 10:51 AM
Monday, August 26, 2019 11:09 AM
Monday, August 26, 2019 11:23 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Seattle Has Figured Out How to End the War on Drugs
Monday, August 26, 2019 11:31 AM
Monday, August 26, 2019 11:44 AM
Quote: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Legalizing or at least decriminalizing marijuana is a great start.
Monday, August 26, 2019 12:04 PM
Monday, August 26, 2019 12:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Legalizing or at least decriminalizing marijuana is a great start. I've changed my mind lol, maybe neutering chronic (non medical excuse people) that use weed would be a great place to start.
Monday, August 26, 2019 12:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Legalizing or at least decriminalizing marijuana is a great start. I've changed my mind lol, maybe neutering chronic (non medical excuse people) that use weed would be a great place to start. Stay fascist, wonderful. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, August 26, 2019 12:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Legalizing or at least decriminalizing marijuana is a great start. I've changed my mind lol, maybe neutering chronic (non medical excuse people) that use weed would be a great place to start. Stay fascist, wonderful. Do Right, Be Right. :) Yeah, did you ever notice that WISHY's posts almost always talk about killing, or nuking, or frying, or eradicating, or castrating? Just a bundle of love, that one is. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY
Monday, August 26, 2019 12:51 PM
Monday, August 26, 2019 10:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Because they're all bad people, or people who don't think the right way...
Monday, August 26, 2019 11:33 PM
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 2:39 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:18 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I never said I had all the answers. I am a firm believer that you should be able to do anything you want to do in a free country as long as you're not harming others or unnecessarily inconveniencing them. Though the non-violent offenders aren't doing the former, they're certainly doing the latter in Seattle. What I do know is that the US Prison system is slave labor, and corporations make big profits off of it. It's not designed to rehabilitate anybody, and quite the contrary, it turns non-violent people who were just misguided into hardened criminals when they do get out. Most of them end up back inside.
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:41 PM
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 4:43 PM
Quote: http://www.ushistory.org/tour/eastern-state-penitentiary.htm A group met at the home of Benjamin Franklin and created the world's first "penitentiary." ... Of all of the radical innovations born in this era, American democracy was, of course, the most influential. The second major intellectual export was prison design and reform. ... Eastern State Penitentiary broke sharply with the prisons of its day, abandoning corporal punishment and ill treatment. This massive new structure, opened in 1829, became one of the most expensive American buildings of its day and soon the most famous prison in the world. The Penitentiary would not simply punish, but move the criminal toward spiritual reflection and change. The method was a Quaker-inspired system of isolation from other prisoners, with labor. The early system was strict. To prevent distraction, knowledge of the building, and even mild interaction with guards, inmates were hooded whenever they were outside their cells. But the proponents of the system believed strongly that the criminals, exposed, in silence, to thoughts of their behavior and the ugliness of their crimes, would become genuinely penitent. Thus the new word, penitentiary.
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I never said I had all the answers. I am a firm believer that you should be able to do anything you want to do in a free country as long as you're not harming others or unnecessarily inconveniencing them. Though the non-violent offenders aren't doing the former, they're certainly doing the latter in Seattle. What I do know is that the US Prison system is slave labor, and corporations make big profits off of it. It's not designed to rehabilitate anybody, and quite the contrary, it turns non-violent people who were just misguided into hardened criminals when they do get out. Most of them end up back inside.Many folk had heard rumor that the Prison System was designed for the purpose of Punishing miscreants who decided to violate the Laws with the known Punishment of incarceration. Funny how that sounds like it makes sense. It punishes as it was intended to punish. So, the giant secret of ending the War on Drugs is to.....STOP ENFORCING THE LAW!!!! Funny, this sounds much like the Libtard solution of lawlessness - err, actually, it is the same!
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 8:38 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:35 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Yeah, we need to do better. More of this and less jail stuff. Not working. Also, don't do drugs.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Kind of funny finding an issue where the only people on one side are Wishy and JSF. I didn't think that was possible.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Kind of funny finding an issue where the only people on one side are Wishy and JSF. I didn't think that was possible. Really? He thinks Overdose Island is a good idea too? I think we SHOULD stop wasting resources on jails and rehabs..... and instead give every hard core drug addict an option to go to an island stocked to the brim with every drug you can think of. Free food, free booze... All they have to do is fill out a will and a waiver of liability (and be on birth control) and we let them party hardy. Idiots remove themselves from the equation, naturally. They get what they want, and we get a more orderly and less diseased population. WIN, WIN!
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: I've changed my mind lol, maybe neutering chronic (non medical excuse people) that use weed would be a great place to start. Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Stay fascist, wonderful.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: I've changed my mind lol, maybe neutering chronic (non medical excuse people) that use weed would be a great place to start. Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Stay fascist, wonderful. You people are probably the most gullible people I've ever seen. You haven't the slightest clue when you are being trolled and when you aren't. It's a MILE OF FUN
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I knew a guy who's uncle used to say that they should put all the gays on gay island and let them all get aids and fuck each other to death. That's exactly who you sound like right now.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I knew a guy who's uncle used to say that they should put all the gays on gay island and let them all get aids and fuck each other to death. That's exactly who you sound like right now. False Equivalency. The end goal of being gay is NOT to die, it's to be fabulous and get laid....a LOT. The end goal of drug addiction to be high as much as possible. Every drug addict knows death is a possibility EVERY time they get high.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I know a few gay guys who would argue you about the being fabulous part as well as the insinuation that they are into promiscuous sex or have a desire to have sex more than a normal heterosexual would. But what else should I expect from a virtue signalling backwoods Indiana person who's never actually met a gay person and learned everything they know about gay people from watching The Birdcage. And... you're concurrently running a new thread where you're throwing weed users in with all other hard drug users. Nobody who smokes weed ever goes into it knowing that death is a possibility because nobody has ever died from smoking weed in the history of smoking weed.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: We never know who we're talking to on any given night, Sybil.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 4:21 AM
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:46 AM
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:55 AM
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week, It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:22 PM
Quote:A 2017 report issued by the Bureau of Justice Statistics used self-report survey data from inmates to assess the prevalence of mental health problems among prisoners and jail inmates. They found that 14% of prisoners and 25% of jail inmates had past 30-day serious psychological distress, compared to 5% of the general population. In addition, 37% of prisoners and 44% of jail inmates had a history of a mental health problem. ... Researchers commonly cite deinstitutionalization, or the emptying of state mental hospitals in the mid-twentieth century, as a direct cause of the rise of mentally ill people in prisons.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week, It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized. I missed how locking people up for petty drug use equals, "we're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted." You'll have to explain that. Elsewhere > great to see 2 big pharmas Perdue and J&J paying the price for their part in Opioid addiction. That's another major part of the a better solution. Hit 'em in the wallet and they'll think twice.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 3:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's funny because I saw three videos in a row about the homeless drug=addicted in Seattel, and the people that they interviewed were fed up with the petty crime, trash, feces, needles etc that the drug-addicted (and mentally ill) leave behind. One of the videos, the lpngest one, cites several people who have had dozens - and in one case over a HUNDRED - "encounters" with the SPD for things like petty theft, threatening passersby etc, only to be returned to/left on the street to do the same thing all over again the next hour, day, or week, It seems to me that while "jail" per se is not a reasonable response, some sort of involuntary treatment is required, and possible "harm reduction" housing. We're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted that we forget about the freedom of everyone else to walk the streets and not be harrassed,or to live in their homes and not be buglarized. I missed how locking people up for petty drug use equals, "we're so worried about the freedoms of the mentally ill and drug addicted." You'll have to explain that. Elsewhere > great to see 2 big pharmas Perdue and J&J paying the price for their part in Opioid addiction. That's another major part of the a better solution. Hit 'em in the wallet and they'll think twice. I might be wrong here or misreading things, but I think we've finally found some common ground that we're just about 100% in agreement with each other here Captain. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 5:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: There is no testing for weed that is legitimate, so they won't be able to test for driving while high since you could have smoked 3 weeks ago and you will still come up dirty. Allergic reactions to weed don't count. Peanuts are great. People die from peanuts. All of those studies about people driving high and killing somebody are flawed. Those people were also drunk or on another substance at the same time. You're an idiot.
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 6:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Maybe so. Prison/jail time is not a solution. It doesn't cure addiction..
Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: There is no testing for weed that is legitimate, so they won't be able to test for driving while high since you could have smoked 3 weeks ago and you will still come up dirty. Allergic reactions to weed don't count. Peanuts are great. People die from peanuts. All of those studies about people driving high and killing somebody are flawed. Those people were also drunk or on another substance at the same time. You're an idiot. I see every study that doesn't say weed is the best thing ever you are still disagreeing with out of hand, just like Chump does with "fake news", and because science is haaaarrrrd, man I'm sure the families of the two people who died would say they counted, but then again, YOU ARE A NARCISSIST so no one else counts in your world. And, I'm guessing you don't know this, but people who drive high quite frequently admit to driving high BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGH. Yes, your own words may be used against you....SURPRISE! I'm STILL less of an idiot THAN YOU. I've never been high and I've never even been drunk. Never needed to be... That makes me five wasted years smarter than you or kiki
Thursday, August 29, 2019 1:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why is it always about "who is better" with you? You like to call everybody else a narcissist all the time, but you really seem to think that you're the best thing ever and you really seem to enjoy getting into pissing contests everyday. Just sayin'
Thursday, August 29, 2019 4:33 AM
Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nobody here wants you around anymore.
Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Can't get through a single post without trying to speak "for everyone".
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: I'm sure the families of the two people who died would say they counted, but then again, YOU ARE A NARCISSIST so no one else counts in your world.
Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:51 AM
Quote: Seattle courthouse drowning in waste, but cleaning it up would be… racist? When two Seattle, Washington judges asked the local authorities to clean up garbage and human waste from the homeless camp outside their courthouse, one council member worried that power-washing the sidewalks might be racist. The King County courthouse in downtown Seattle is located near the social service centers and several homeless shelters. A tent city has sprung up in the little park outside. There have been several assaults on courthouse employees, and even two attacks on jurors In May and June, leading to citizens summoned for jury duty to voice concerns about their safety. Judges Laura Inveen and Jim Rogers, backed by King County Sheriff John Urquhart, asked the county to do something about it, the Seattle Times reported last month. Among their requests was a daily power-wash of the sidewalks, which “reek of urine and excrement.” Council member Larry Gossett, however, objected because power-washing “brought back images of the use of hoses against civil-rights activists,” according to the Times. Seattle is trying to figure out how to clean poop off their streets but A Democrat Councilman doesn’t like the idea of using a pressure washer hose because it reminds him of hoses used against civil rights activists... You can’t make this stuff up. Insane. https://t.co/fxqdvmRYa2 — Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) August 27, 2019 High-pressure water hoses were used by police in Birmingham, Alabama against civil rights protesters back in 1963. They have also been used to wash sidewalks in most American cities on a daily basis ever since, without being accused of racism. But this is 2019, when everything is racist – the New York Times says so – and anyone who doesn’t call it out is assumed to be an enabler, according to the rules of the “woke” cancel culture. So, the sidewalks of Seattle must remain covered in human waste, lest someone get offended. Also on rt.com Complaints soar as San Francisco drowns in human waste While it was conservative pundits who brought up this month-old item from the local crime blotter to national attention, calling it a perfect illustration of “peak liberalism,” the notion that garbage and excrement somehow represent social justice ought to be offensive to pretty much everyone. “Gossett’s concern here is nothing short of insane,” wrote Kat Timpf in National Review. “What else are you going to do — not wash them? Because I really, really reject the idea that leaving sidewalks covered with human bodily waste is the less offensive move in this (or any) situation.” Timpf was not alone in that sentiment, as legions of social media users had a field day with the councilman’s claim. Would using water hoses to put out fires be racist? Or tying a boat to a dock, since that involves making a noose? Make sure you don’t use brooms, either, because that would be offensive to witches! “This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard,” one commenter wrote on Twitter. “And they will all wonder how Trump was re-elected,” added another.
Quote: A 2017 peer-reviewed study found that drug users assigned to LEAD were 58 percent less likely to be rearrested, compared with a control group. Participants were also almost twice as likely to have housing as they had been before entering LEAD, and 46 percent more likely to be employed or getting job training... ... outside the courthouse in downtown Seattle where Satterberg has his offices, drug users continue to be homeless and feed their habits. You’ve got a guy shooting heroin on the street...
Thursday, August 29, 2019 11:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Maybe so. Prison/jail time is not a solution. It doesn't cure addiction.. It's not supposed to. It's supposed to keep them from shitting ALL OVER THE STREETS and leaving used needles everywhere and limit the spread of diseases which are at epidemic levels on the west coast right now.
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: Not to mention the crime that comes with an untamed population of drug addicts. I'm sorry they have a disease, but allowing them to inflict the rest of the population with their filth isn't fair and isn't the answer, either.
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: NOT taking them to jail causes its own problems.
Thursday, August 29, 2019 12:20 PM
Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Can't get through a single post without trying to speak "for everyone".
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