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Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.
It was RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!!. Now it's all RACISM!! all the time!

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.

There are many real life stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe 1kiki would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?

Whatever the word, here are stories about Trump's arsonism:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067
/

Once you read the stories, you won't honestly be able to say Trump is not an arsonist. But Signym and 1kiki might, which would say everything we need to know about them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



It will say everything that three or four lunatics on a board nobody ever visits anymore needs to know about them.

Got it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It will say everything that three or four lunatics on a board nobody ever visits anymore needs to know about them.

Got it.

Do you really find this NYTimes 1619 Project story super-harmful to your vision of what America is? --> Elijah Porter’s ancestor Moses Turner was born in April 1839 in Georgia. At the time of the 1870 census, he and his wife, Sarah, had five children between 6 months and 9 years. The family lived on 265 acres valued at $750 ($14,665 in today’s dollars). Turner was an employer, and the farm produced cotton, sweet potatoes, molasses, butter and Indian corn.

By 1910 the Turners had no mortgage and were living with three daughters who worked as laborers on their farm. Turner died in 1917 and did not leave a will; his wife was the administrator of his estate.

“The way the story is always told is that we were slaves, we got free and now here we are and we didn’t make any positive contributions to America,” Porter said. “So when I am reading about Moses Turner, not only is he a landowner but he is contributing to the American economy, he knows agriculture, he is married and has children. I was really in shock because I always wanted to know my history.” Porter also found some irony in the story of Turner’s death. “The interesting thing was he died without a will,” he said. “The story of me becoming an attorney was already written before I knew about it.” -- Elijah Porter, 26, Hometown: Atlanta
Post-law-school plans: He has been hired as a corporate associate at a law firm in Mountain View, Calif., where he aims to become a partner in five years.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190821150539/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/howard-university-law-school.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:35 PM

SIGNYM

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Elijah Porter’s ancestor Moses Turner was born in April 1839 in Georgia. At the time of the 1870 census, he and his wife, Sarah, had five children between 6 months and 9 years. The family lived on 265 acres valued at $750 ($14,665 in today’s dollars). Turner was an employer, and the farm produced cotton, sweet potatoes, molasses, butter and Indian corn.

By 1910 the Turners had no mortgage and were living with three daughters who worked as laborers on their farm. Turner died in 1917 and did not leave a will; his wife was the administrator of his estate.

“The way the story is always told is that we were slaves, we got free and now here we are and we didn’t make any positive contributions to America,” Porter said. “So when I am reading about Moses Turner, not only is he a landowner but he is contributing to the American economy, he knows agriculture, he is married and has children. I was really in shock because I always wanted to know my history.” Porter also found some irony in the story of Turner’s death. “The interesting thing was he died without a will,” he said. “The story of me becoming an attorney was already written before I knew about it.” -- Elijah Porter, 26, Hometown: Atlanta
Post-law-school plans: He has been hired as a corporate associate at a law firm in Mountain View, Calif., where he aims to become a partner in five years.

This kind of self-involvement is stupid. There are hundreds of millions of untold stories of hundreds of millions of people - serfs, slaves, laborers, indigenous peoples, women, and more ... which are ignored by history because, well, history is written by the victors, who happened to be kings, generals, Founding Fathers, and such; and their factotums* who ran after them, documenting what they ate for lunch and shit at dinner. Thus, we get statements like "Peter the Great built St Petersburg" and "The Great Wall of China was built by the First Emperor of the Qin Dynasty". In reality, these men built nothing. *Including the M$M

Why do people feel compelled to get reassurance and validation from the M$M? Don't they have any common sense? Don't they have any pride? OF COURSE their ancestors helped build this nation. What do they suppose? That the farms and plantations and factories and shops and riverboats ran themselves? Sheesh.

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 11:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

Okay badly- asked question. Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 5:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Do you really find this NYTimes 1619 Project story super-harmful to your vision of what America is?



No. I don't.

It's bullshit and it's already gotten far more attention than it deserved in the first place. I'm over it. A month from now nobody will remember it either.

The more important thing is the leak of the behind closed door meeting where the NYT acknowledges everyone is over Russia and they need to shift tactics and go after Trump from a racism angle now. As if they haven't been doing that every day for the last 3 years or something.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 7:02 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

It is an easy question, and a rhetorical trap. If I had a dollar for every time somebody said to me: "I'm not racist, but . . ." followed by them saying something racist, I'd be rich. The word rich, that's another one of those vague words which people quibble over, not agreeing on what the lower boundary is, as measured in dollars. They also quibble over what is the lower boundary, the minimum thing you have to do to be called a racist. Go read the stories about Trump. He went over the line into racism forty years ago, and he keeps going again and again. But let's not use that word racism. Let's find another word.

There are many real life stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe Signym would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?

Whatever the word, here are stories about Trump's arsonism:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 1:00 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

Okay badly- asked question. Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.




Just really, really, I mean really dumb and desperate. Is this the best Trump defenders can do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different races or ethnicities should be treated differently.[1][2][3] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different races are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][1][4]

In terms of political systems (e.g., apartheid) that support the expression of prejudice or aversion in discriminatory practices or laws, racist ideology may include associated social aspects such as nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, and supremacism.

While the concepts of race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary social science, the two terms have a long history of equivalence in both popular usage and older social science literature. "Ethnicity" is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to "race": the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared ancestry or shared behavior). Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention on racial discrimination, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. The UN convention further concludes that superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous. It also declared that there is no justification for racial discrimination, anywhere, in theory or in practice.[5]

Historically, racism was a major driving force behind the Atlantic slave trade.[6] It was also a major force behind racial segregation especially in the United States in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid; 19th and 20th century racism in Western culture is particularly well documented and constitutes a reference point in studies and discourses about racism.[7] Racism has played a role in genocides such as the Holocaust, and the Armenian genocide, and colonial projects like the European colonization of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Indigenous peoples have been –and are– often subject to racist attitudes."

I suppose you'll have some klever argument refuting ^that as well.

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 2:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Just really, really, I mean really dumb and desperate. Is this the best Trump defenders can do?



Nope.

The best we can do is just sit back and watch and laugh when this fails on its own just like everything else has.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 3:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Okay badly- asked question. Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

Since there's no such thing as 'race', let's take 'race' out of the definition that was given for racism, and substitute 'giraffe', and see how the definition stands up.
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one giraffe over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different giraffe or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different giraffes or ethnicities should be treated differently.[1][2][3] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different giraffes are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][1][4]




The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.

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Sunday, August 25, 2019 4:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
But let's not use that word racism. Let's find another word.

OK. If you think the whole idea stands up without the word racism, suggest another word to use that means the same thing. (For example 'prejudice' would NOT be an adequate word because one can be prejudiced against short people.)

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Monday, August 26, 2019 12:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The traditional definition of race and ethnicity is related to biological and sociological factors respectively. Race refers to a person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye color. Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language.

An example of race is brown, white, or black skin (all from various parts of the world), while an example of ethnicity is German or Spanish ancestry (regardless of race) or Han Chinese. Your race is determined by how you look while your ethnicity is determined based on the social and cultural groups you belong to. You can have more than one ethnicities but you are said to have one race, even if it's "mixed race".

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race

Real busy right now. Back later.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 5:53 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
But let's not use that word racism. Let's find another word.

OK. If you think the whole idea stands up without the word racism, suggest another word to use that means the same thing. (For example 'prejudice' would NOT be an adequate word because one can be prejudiced against short people.)

Whiteness shall be our Word, rather than Racism, since Race is such a loaded word. I'm pretty sure Trump won't insist he is non-White, while he would get very offended by a racism accusation.

What is the future of whiteness?
www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/The-US-white-major
ity-will-soon-disappear-forever-13806738.php


The aging white population, alongside a more youthful minority population, especially in the case of Latinos, will result in the U.S. becoming a majority-minority country in around 2044.

The demographic shift in the U.S. has resulted in many whites proclaiming that they are losing their country, and that they already are or will soon become a minority group.

In her research on working-class whites in rural Louisiana, sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild observes that many whites feel frustrated and betrayed, like they are now strangers in their own land. In Trump, they saw a white man who brought them together to take their country back. Hochschild points out that at a Trump campaign rally, whites held signs with slogans such as “TRUMP: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” and “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”

The decline of the white share of the U.S. population could result in the shifting of racial boundaries to assign whiteness to some people of color so as to bolster the white numbers.

This has happened before. Groups that were initially seen as very different from whites, such as the Irish and Italians, once sought to distance themselves from blacks, and eventually were accepted as white.

In addition, although persons of Mexican origin largely identified racially as white, in the 1930 census “Mexican” was used as a racial category, at a time when there was heightened hostility against Mexicans due to their growing population size and the Great Depression.

But any future changes cannot override demography. The U.S. will never be a white country again.

And don't forget there are many stories about Trump's Whiteness:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067
/
Unfortunately, the words bigotry/racism/intolerance get used too-too often-often when a better description is the Whiteness of Trump, the Great White Hero. Only slowly did he begin to understand how to use his Whiteness to his advantage.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 26, 2019 7:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


“SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”


Voting majority, idiot. Not a racial thing.

It was said quite a bit before the elections, yanno, when all of the polls including Fox News had Clinton's chances of winning at 90% or more.

You tools are priceless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 26, 2019 7:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
“SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”


Voting majority, idiot. Not a racial thing.

It was said quite a bit before the elections, yanno, when all of the polls including Fox News had Clinton's chances of winning at 90% or more.

You tools are priceless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

There were days when Trump's probability was higher than Hillary's. But on November 6, 2016, the probability had dropped to 35% for Trump. (Election Day was Nov 8th) That is the same as playing Russian Roulette with two bullets in the 6 shooter revolver.

One thing I have noticed all my life is that many Americans believe they understand probability very well and yet they keep blowing their brains out by playing the equivalent of two bullet Russian Roulette with their own lives. They understand far less than they think they do about elections, stock market rallies, insurance policies, accidents, diseases, all kinds of random occurrences that can end their lives. Showing them what they got wrong never seems to change their minds; instead they keep insisting that I am extraordinarily lucky and they are unfortunately unlucky, when the real explanation is that they are making big mistakes that could easily be avoided, just like I avoid dangerous risks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 26, 2019 7:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
“SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”


Voting majority, idiot. Not a racial thing.

It was said quite a bit before the elections, yanno, when all of the polls including Fox News had Clinton's chances of winning at 90% or more.

You tools are priceless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

There were days when Trump's probability was higher than Hillary's. But on November 6, 2016, the probability had dropped to 35% for Trump. That is the same as playing Russian Roulette with two bullets in the 6 shooter revolver.

One thing I have noticed all my life is that many Americans believe they understand probability very well and yet they keep blowing their brains out by playing the equivalent of two bullet Russian Roulette with their own lives. They understand far less than they think they do about elections, stock market rallies, insurance policies, accidents, diseases, all kinds of random occurrences that can end their lives. Showing them what they got wrong never seems to change their minds; instead they keep insisting that I am extraordinarily lucky and they are unfortunately unlucky, when the real explanation is that they are making big mistakes that could easily be avoided, just like I avoid dangerous risks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 26, 2019 7:48 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are making the classic mistake where you think there is some kind of plan, or some inevitability, or fate, or the voters, or God, or Trump who are directing the outcomes of elections. But life, and elections, are more like being under a barrage of mortar fire where the enemy don't know where you are. Explosions are happening randomly all around you and the probability of being killed is 35%, same as what Hillary faced in 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:10 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You are making the classic mistake where you think there is some kind of plan, or some inevitability, or fate, or the voters, or God, or Trump who are directing the outcomes of elections. But life, and elections, are more like being under a barrage of mortar fire where the enemy don't know where you are. Explosions are happening randomly all around you and the probability of being killed is 35%, same as what Hillary faced in 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



What the fuck are you talking about?

You said, or your article did (we can never tell because you never make any attempt to differentiate your own words from articles in any of your posts), signs that read “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP" were racist signs.

While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.

The "silent majority" was about voters. Not about race.

Stay on topic for once, you fucking troll.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Apparently SECONDRATE, you cing to the concept of Trump's "racism" (a term you won't define) and "whiteness" (ANOTHER term you won't define) as if it was the last floating straw and you were drowning, and you keep bringing up that Atlantic article as if it said somethin real.

So, let's look at that article, again

Quote:

In the years since then, Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities.


The article alleges Trump's LONG HISTORY of "comment on issues involving..."

Ohhhhh. Trump "Commented on issues involving..."?
HOW DARE HE COMMENT ON ISSUES?

Let's start there.

SECONDRATE. YOU have a long history of commenting on issues involving... So does the NYT. So does WISHY. So does REAVERBOT.

So?

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:21 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.




You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?

Also, subtle yet important distinction: I bet more people were freaked by the idea of "President Trump" than were pissed about Clinton losing. I think that's one of his biggest attraction for some of his supporters: he freaks out the librlz.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.




You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?



I don't know why, if they were.

If they weren't, well, then the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS that the signs Second were claiming were racist were correct, weren't they?


Quote:

Also, subtle yet important distinction: I bet more people were freaked by the idea of "President Trump" than were pissed about Clinton losing. I think that's one of his biggest attraction for some of his supporters: he freaks out the librlz.


Maybe... but all I saw was a bunch of footage of college feminists screaming and crying in the streets and at Clinton's rally. It wasn't just youtubers that were whining about not having their first female president either.

Maddow couldn't stop crying about it. I do recall one reporter talking about how he didn't want to have to wake up his daughters for school in the morning and explain to them how we don't have our first female president yet.


It's not the fact that Trump won that fucked these people up in the head. It's the identity politics that run their lives and their thoughts. They took the loss as personal, and they've carried that resentment as part of who they are with them for 3 years now. And I hate to break it to them, but they've got at least 5 more years to carry that boulder if they don't get rid of it themselves.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:32 AM

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:35 AM

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:40 AM

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lol... The last one is a pretty good troll.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:44 AM

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EVERYONE WAS WRONG. THE BACKLASH BEGINS.



And it hasn't taken a single day off for almost three years.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:50 AM

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You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?



I don't know why, if they were.

If they weren't, well, then the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS that the signs Second were claiming were racist were correct, weren't they?



Huh? - that doesn't make even a little sense. Whatever.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Maybe... but all I saw was a bunch of footage of college feminists screaming and crying in the streets and at Clinton's rally. It wasn't just youtubers that were whining about not having their first female president either.

Maddow couldn't stop crying about it. I do recall one reporter talking about how he didn't want to have to wake up his daughters for school in the morning and explain to them how we don't have our first female president yet.



That's funny - I have completely different memories of Maddow from that night. I hated her show before the election, never could watch it, wondered how anyone could (she's not as funny as she thinks). But I started watching after the election because she was actually laughing afterwards with the other talking heads - there was definitely no crying. She was even excited about what the next 4 years would be like. You have to know that she knew her life had just changed for the better tv-wise. That vid you've shown is so doctored a child can see it. I gave up on her show a while ago though. Time for a change.

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It's not the fact that Trump won that fucked these people up in the head. It's the identity politics that run their lives and their thoughts. They took the loss as personal, and they've carried that resentment as part of who they are with them for 3 years now. And I hate to break it to them, but they've got at least 5 more years to carry that boulder if they don't get rid of it themselves.



Nope, you just don't get how disgusting that lying sos is. His winning is a big embarrassment for this country. It shows how many ignorant, backward @ss people live here - that is no longer something that can be glossed over or ignored.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?



I don't know why, if they were.

If they weren't, well, then the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS that the signs Second were claiming were racist were correct, weren't they?



Huh? - that doesn't make even a little sense. Whatever.




That's because you jumped into the conversation mid-way and focused on something else. Unfortunate, since it's already hard enough to get Second to stay on topic without somebody else derailing the conversation.

His post, quite a ways up there now, claimed that people holding signs that read “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP" were racist signs. This was not true. This was the "silent majority" of people who intended to (and DID) go out the voting booths and voted for Trump. It was NOT racist signs talking about a silent majority of white racists supporting Trump, as Second was trying to claim it was.

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Maybe... but all I saw was a bunch of footage of college feminists screaming and crying in the streets and at Clinton's rally. It wasn't just youtubers that were whining about not having their first female president either.

Maddow couldn't stop crying about it. I do recall one reporter talking about how he didn't want to have to wake up his daughters for school in the morning and explain to them how we don't have our first female president yet.



That's funny - I have completely different memories of Maddow from that night. I hated her show before the election, never could watch it, wondered how anyone could (she's not as funny as she thinks). But I started watching after the election because she was actually laughing afterwards with the other talking heads - there was definitely no crying. She was even excited about what the next 4 years would be like. You have to know that she knew her life had just changed for the better tv-wise. That vid you've shown is so doctored a child can see it. I gave up on her show a while ago though. Time for a change.



We'll have to agree to disagree on whether she cried or not.

I'd say it's great that you're not watching somebody who made millions of dollars pushing a harmful Russian conspiracy created out of thin air for ratings for years, but I guess that depends on who you get your news from going forward, or more importantly, how much of anybody's bullshit you buy.

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It's not the fact that Trump won that fucked these people up in the head. It's the identity politics that run their lives and their thoughts. They took the loss as personal, and they've carried that resentment as part of who they are with them for 3 years now. And I hate to break it to them, but they've got at least 5 more years to carry that boulder if they don't get rid of it themselves.



Nope, you just don't get how disgusting that lying sos is. His winning is a big embarrassment for this country. It shows how many ignorant, backward @ss people live here - that is no longer something that can be glossed over or ignored.



Your opinion is noted. It has been for years. It has not changed. You're not saying anything new.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:59 AM

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HILLARY ... BECAUSE IT'S TIME

Wow, yeah. Identity politics much?

Yanoo, the people who were convinced that Hillary was going to win were stupid. But they were convinced by the M$M, just like they were convinced by the M$M of the whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria. They should have understood that a Trump win was a real possibility. I looked at the polls, and registered Democrats were OVERSAMPLED. And the pollsters didn't even correct for the oversampling, they just tossed it all into the big hopper and let the machines spit the numbers. But you know what they say: GIGO.

Gawd, we really need to reduce this sheep-like behavior of most Americans.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 11:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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HILLARY ... BECAUSE IT'S TIME

Wow, yeah. Identity politics much?

Yanoo, the people who were convinced that Hillary was going to win were stupid. But they were convinced by the M$M, just like they were convinced by the M$M of the whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria. They should have understood that a Trump win was a real possibility. I looked at the polls, and registered Democrats were OVERSAMPLED. And the pollsters didn't even correct for the oversampling, they just tossed it all into the big hopper and let the machines spit the numbers. But you know what they say: GIGO.

Gawd, we really need to reduce this sheep-like behavior of most Americans.

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Worse than that...

I don't know if Second is going rogue here, or if he's just following more MSM bullshit that he read somewhere, but if you look at his posts this morning, he's going to try to convince you that the polls showed the race as extremely close and even had Trump up at times. This is complete horseshit. Fivethirtyeight.com and Nate Silver regularly had Trump's chances in the single digits for winning the Electoral College, based off of aggregate poll sampling. Extremely rare was the instances where he had more than 25%.

This worries me, because I don't know if Second is just lying or going crazy, or if this is a new wave of bullshit we're going to start hearing 3 years later. 3 years is a long time in the memory of the average prole. I believe that if the MSM really wanted to, they could actually convince everybody who voted for Clinton that the odds were stacked against her from the start.




And about the oversampling, I've got a few threads from three years ago and broke down exactly how the samples were made and what the projections would be if they were done properly to fit the actual demographic makeup of the areas they covered.

There certainly were a lot of lies sprinkled in with those polls.

But like I said, if it was some major MSM conspiracy to lie about this, I don't have the first idea why they did that.


Maybe they wanted Trump in after all and they were unifying his base and making sure they'd all head to the poll while at the same time making Hillary's base lazy and lethargic, confident in their win. I'm not saying that "the powers that be" made that happen. I'm just saying that's what ended up happening in the end.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 11:47 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think you're overthinking this SIX.

Let's start with SECOND, and why he posts what he posts.

SECOND is a shit-filter. He does a daily M$M sweep for ANY headline negative about Trump, Texas Republicans, the GOP in general, anyone who might have voted for Trump, and (if all else fails) Americans in general, and he posts it here. He doesn't think about what it says, whether or not it's true, or important, or even whether it contradicts the previous article that he just posted. I'm convinced that half the time he doesn't even read what he posts, because quite often there are unexploded IEDs buried in his articles, he just diligently flings shit onto the board hoping that SOME of it will stick. SECOND's posts don't reflect his opinion at all, because there is no unifying thought behind them. SECOND doesn't have an opinion he has A Mission: To Destroy The Party Of Nixon, by any means possible.

Now, why would the M$M lie about the polls before 2016? Because lying has always worked for them before. If you want a war on Afghanistan, lie about its ties to OBL. If you want a war in Iraq, lie about it's (1) ties to 9-11 and (2) WMDs. If you want a war in Syria, lie about Assad "gassing his own people", and if you want a war in Libya lie about "Qaddafi massacring his own people". If you want to lie about the state of the American economy, present endless shows and commercials in which everyone is living the life of a five-percenter, and if you want to create an enemy- or a good guy- lie about Russia, or Muslims, or our fearless FBI/CIA/DHS officers.

The M$M lies about pretty much everything, all the time. Just like SECOND, the M$M ALSO has a mission, and - it isn't to make money like some people think, or to serve as an objective disseminator of news like other people think, or to provide a responsible counterblance to government propaganda like still other people think - but to promulgate the lies on which our coprorate structure rests, including lies by the deep state.

I think they were lying about what the polls said because they were hoping to discourge potential Trump voters. And the problem was, the people who promulgated the lies were counting on them to work, and the people who received those lies believed them.

There WERE two polls that got it right, BTW. One of them was the "liberal" LATimes, I forget the other one.



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Monday, August 26, 2019 1:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You may be right. I try pretty hard these days not to slip down the rabbit hole though. Nobody listens from you from down there.


I believe that the other poll that got it right was Rasmussen.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 3:26 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Worse than that...

I don't know if Second is going rogue here, or if he's just following more MSM bullshit that he read somewhere, but if you look at his posts this morning, he's going to try to convince you that the polls showed the race as extremely close and even had Trump up at times. This is complete horseshit. Fivethirtyeight.com and Nate Silver regularly had Trump's chances in the single digits for winning the Electoral College, based off of aggregate poll sampling. Extremely rare was the instances where he had more than 25%.

You are out of your mind. On July 30, 2016, Trump had a 50.1% chance of winning. That was not that he will get 50.1% of the cast votes. It was that in the Electoral College Trump had a 50.1% of winning.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Two days before the November Election Trump had the same chance of winning the Electoral College as he had of winning a game of Russian Roulette if the revolver had 2 bullets in it and he pulled the trigger and blew Hillary's head away: 35%. That was a pretty good chance of Trump killing Hillary's political career.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 26, 2019 4:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SECOND:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

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You are making the classic mistake where you think there is some kind of plan, or some inevitability, or fate, or the voters, or God, or Trump who are directing the outcomes of elections. But life, and elections, are more like being under a barrage of mortar fire where the enemy don't know where you are. Explosions are happening randomly all around you and the probability of being killed is 35%, same as what Hillary faced in 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



What the fuck are you talking about?

You said, or your article did (we can never tell because you never make any attempt to differentiate your own words from articles in any of your posts), signs that read “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP" were racist signs.

While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.

The "silent majority" was about voters. Not about race.

Stay on topic for once, you fucking troll.

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Back to your idiocy here.

You don't get to worm your way out of it because Captain derailed the thread.

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Monday, August 26, 2019 5:40 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Back to your idiocy here.

You don't get to worm your way out of it because Captain derailed the thread.

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On one hand, voting for Trump was an opportunity to trash Obama's legacy, end Hillary Clinton's political career (she is too old to run again after losing) and to put $1 billion in tax benefits into Trump's wallet. On the other hand, if Trump loses, it is a certainty he goes back to television. Why would anybody who dislikes Democrats even a little bit not vote for Trump, despite his chances of winning being less than 50/50? The chance was never zero, so vote for Trump. The chances that Trump was an idiot and a racist were more than 50% (in my opinion 100%), despite Trump lovers thinking he is somebody extra-special, but those are very different questions, and the Senate gets a vote on that, not you, a vote the Republican Senators refuse to take because they are afraid of people like you.

I know Trump voters and they don't think about probability or certainty in a sensible fashion. A real example: I was telling people to buy Microsoft stock because Windows 3.0 was pretty darn good. They came back with that it was too risky; they might lose all their money. I told them that the worst that could happen is they break even. For Windows 3.1, I went through same arguments and they said it is too risky. Windows 3.11? Same old nonsense from these guys. Windows 95? Same-same. They passed up opportunities to make easy money because they misunderstand EVERYTHING about both probabilities and certainties.

When they finally bought Microsoft, it was December 1999, too damn late. Then it crashed, and they blame me. What a bunch of morons. They held on until they could sell at the market bottom. It is impossible to be stupider than these guys. They think Trump is smart and not a racist. They blame the M$M, the Fake News for Trump's problem. Trump is the real problem.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/stocks/msft-stock

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Monday, August 26, 2019 10:00 PM

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I think you're overthinking this SIX.

Let's start with SECOND, and why he posts what he posts.

SECOND is a shit-filter. He does a daily M$M sweep for ANY headline negative about Trump, Texas Republicans, the GOP in general, anyone who might have voted for Trump, and (if all else fails) Americans in general, and he posts it here. He doesn't think about what it says, whether or not it's true, or important, or even whether it contradicts the previous article that he just posted. I'm convinced that half the time he doesn't even read what he posts, because quite often there are unexploded IEDs buried in his articles, he just diligently flings shit onto the board hoping that SOME of it will stick. SECOND's posts don't reflect his opinion at all, because there is no unifying thought behind them. SECOND doesn't have an opinion he has A Mission: To Destroy The Party Of Nixon, by any means possible.

Now, why would the M$M lie about the polls before 2016? Because lying has always worked for them before. If you want a war on Afghanistan, lie about its ties to OBL. If you want a war in Iraq, lie about it's (1) ties to 9-11 and (2) WMDs. If you want a war in Syria, lie about Assad "gassing his own people", and if you want a war in Libya lie about "Qaddafi massacring his own people". If you want to lie about the state of the American economy, present endless shows and commercials in which everyone is living the life of a five-percenter, and if you want to create an enemy- or a good guy- lie about Russia, or Muslims, or our fearless FBI/CIA/DHS officers.

The M$M lies about pretty much everything, all the time. Just like SECOND, the M$M ALSO has a mission, and - it isn't to make money like some people think, or to serve as an objective disseminator of news like other people think, or to provide a responsible counterbalance to government propaganda like still other people think - but to promulgate the lies on which our corporate structure rests, including lies by the deep state.

I think they were lying about what the polls said because they were hoping to discourage potential Trump voters. And the problem was, the people who promulgated the lies were counting on them to work, and the people who received those lies believed them.

There WERE two polls that got it right, BTW. One of them was the "liberal" LATimes, I forget the other one.



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You may be right. I try pretty hard these days not to slip down the rabbit hole though. Nobody listens from you from down there.


I believe that the other poll that got it right was Rasmussen.

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Yeah, I agree with Signy. At the time I didn't have a lot of time to think (too consumed with work and pain) but when I look back on it there was a lot of pretty obvious poll-skewing AND misrepresentation at the time.
It came down to were the statistics wrong, or was the media wrong?


Nate Silver, who had a crap-ton of reputation on the line, got it less wrong than most of the msm in terms of percentages. But they got three solid strikes on Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, that they thought were pretty solid for Clinton. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Hillary Clinton / 71.4% // Donald Trump / 28.6%

538 prediction

result


But they put it down to multiple states with a slim margin of error.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/12/it_wasnt_the_pol
ls_that_missed_it_was_the_pundits_132333.html


And they lay the blame squarely on the pundits:
It Wasn't the Polls That Missed, It Was the Pundits

The rest of the msm put out VERY obviously skewed results. Even ** I ** saw it, as busy and fatigued as I was.

And so the question is 'why?' . That's where I agree with Signy. Lying has never failed them in the past. Even the lack of WMDs in Iraq was quickly shuffled away by 'MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!', lack of media focus on salient issues, and hocus-pocus. It comes down to the media shit-show we're treated to day by day.

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Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:09 AM

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The problem is, if they were lying, that lying is to blame for the almost insane levels of hostile attitudes when it comes to politics these days.

It's not just Democrats that were shocked. I was the only one who KNEW that Trump was going to win. If I hadn't been jobless for nearly two years at the time I would have bet on it I was so sure. But EVERYBODY who I talked to didn't believe it at all. Even those who never would have wanted Clinton to be the President in a million years.

It's not all Democrats who behave like we see people behave here. Not by a long shot. Most of them are very near the center, especially Classical Liberals, of which I would probably most comfortably label myself if I were forced to put an either/or label on myself.

But of the two percent who watch MSNBC or CNN everynight? The 10 or so percent of Democrats made up of college kids who haven't had a dose of the real world outside of their safe spaces yet?

The 2016 presidency was Hillary Clinton's birthright. It was HER time. Just watch the videos of the screaming and crying and gnashing of teeth. Why would ANYBODY be so vested in the outcome as they were on that night? We've never seen that before. I hope we never see it again.

And three years later they've only gotten louder and more viscous.

They're going to lose again in 2020. Possibly by even more than they did in 2016. Captain knows this. I think he's been red pilled. He's the only one here that seems to have had the veil lifted a bit. We still don't probably agree on much, but he's the only one who comes in here talking a bit of sense these days. If the rest of the Democrats would get on board whatever train he's gotten on and regrouped and came up with a legitimate strategy and something other than "We're Not Trump" then I think the Democrats would have a decent chance of winning in 2020. I also think that would be a good thing.

It's not good when only one party runs the whole show, especially not for an extended amount of time. But the Democrats need to purge themselves of the crazy first.

Gillette seems to have done it. It's even possible that Disney and even Hollywood in general is finally getting it. But that's because God Money stepped in and asked them WTF they were doing.

Our Government has a money printing press. They're not as quick on the uptake. It's going to take another really bad beating or two at the polls before they figure it out. And when they do lose bad in 2020, there is going to be a large change in the Democratic Party that we're seeing in 2019. I just don't know if it's going to go back to the Pelosi/Clinton style Neo-Liberal Corporatist regime, or if Cenk Uygur's Justice Democrats are going to take it over.



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Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just to get back to the medai lying for a bit ...

Even such (relatively) neutral statements like "2 million peple protest in Hong Kong" must be taken with a grain of salt. Other sources put the figure at 1/10 of that. It's not just hot topics or highly politicized issues that get lied about, it's EVERYTHING.

Let's look at what happened before the Trump election: His campiagn was spied on and - worse- was subject to a series of "dangles" by the deep state here and in Britain. Not only was Papadoupolos subject to attempted entrapment, so was Michael Flynn (By Halpern) and Don Jr (Veslenitskaya). Maria Butina was maneuvered into meeting with rich powerful men (including the Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne) with the hope that she could eventually be tied into the Trump campaign. It's a long story which I don't want to go over, but you have no idea how devious and underhanded the deep state is.


*****

M$M lies seem to have - literally- driven people crazy. (Just look @JO.) "They" know how to engage people's EMOTIONS. They have made studies and studies of it: That's what advertising is! Did you know that if you embed just five key words in a few short sentences, you can influence with something like 70% success the next word that pops up into the average person's mind?

Once people have become emotionally tied to an outcome or POV even "real life" doesn't always disengage them. It's like an addiction: people have to follow their beliefs to rock bottom, REAL rock bottom, before they can let them go. I read an interesting book quite a while ago that made that point When Society Becomes an Addict. https://www.amazon.com/Society-Becomes-Addict-Wilson-Schaef/dp/0062548
549
I think we have a lot of people addicted to a dysfunctional POV, I can't imagine what rock bottom they would have to hit before they and their beliefs part ways.



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Saturday, September 7, 2019 7:06 PM

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Quote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-06/south-africans-setting-fire-
other-african-migrants-wave-xenophobic-attacks


South Africans Setting Fire To Other African Migrants In Wave Of Xenophobic Attacks

Xenophobic violence is flaring once again in South Africa, where black South Africans are setting fire to other African migrants and attacking foreign-owned businesses.

Naaaaawwwww ... they're racist.

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 6:42 PM

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Hmmmmmm.....

Seems like educated blacks aren't on board with the NYT's woke attempt at re-writing American history.

https://quillette.com/2020/02/17/sorry-new-york-times-but-america-bega
n-in-1776
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Womp Womp.

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I hope people read your linked article. I think it's quite fact-based and illuminating.

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Friday, February 21, 2020 1:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I hope people read your linked article. I think it's quite fact-based and illuminating.




Words cannot express how much I LOVE it when (enter relevant protected class here) come out and say that the narrative is bullshit.

That seems to be happening a LOT now, doesn't it?


They're right. Succumbing to this new narrative (which they intend to teach in school soon) removes all agency from people and moves us (and an entire new generation) that much further away from a meritocracy.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



This rather long-winded article notes that the US's 'Paper of Record' the NYTimes quietly edited out 2 extremely controversial parts from its 'Project 1619' - controversial because they were historically inaccurate and poorly supported by evidence.

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Down the 1619 Project’s Memory Hole

The history of the American Revolution isn’t the only thing the New York Times is revising through its 1619 Project. The “paper of record” has also taken to quietly altering the published text of the project itself after one of its claims came under intense criticism.

When the 1619 Project went to print in August 2019 as a special edition of the New York Times Magazine, the newspaper put up an interactive version on its website. The original opening text stated:

The 1619 project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative. [emphasis added]
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The passage, and in particular its description of the year 1619 as “our true founding,” quickly became a flashpoint for controversy around the project. Critics on both the Left and Right took issue with the paper’s declared intention of displacing 1776 with the alternative date—a point that was also emphasized in the magazine feature’s graphics, showing the date of American independence crossed out and replaced by the date of the first slave ship’s arrival in Jamestown, Virginia.

For several months after the 1619 Project first launched, its creator and organizer Nikole Hannah-Jones doubled down on the claim. “I argue that 1619 is our true founding,” she tweeted the week after the project launched. “Also, look at the banner pic in my profile”—a reference to the graphic of the date 1776 crossed out with a line. It’s a claim she repeated many times over.


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But something changed as the historical controversies around the 1619 Project intensified in late 2019 and early 2020. A group of five distinguished historians took issue with Hannah-Jones’s lead essay, focusing on its historically unsupported claim that protecting slavery was a primary motive of the American revolutionaries when they broke away from Britain in 1776. Other details of the project soon came under scrutiny, revealing both errors of fact and dubious interpretations of evidence in other essays, such as Matthew Desmond’s 1619 Project piece attempting to connect American capitalism with slavery. Finally back in March, a historian who the Times recruited to fact-check Hannah-Jones’s essay revealed that she had warned the paper against publishing its claims about the motives of the American Revolution on account of their weak evidence. The 1619 Project’s editors ignored the advice.

Throughout the controversy, the line about the year 1619 being “our true founding” continued to haunt the Times. This criticism did not aim to denigrate the project’s titular date or the associated events in the history of slavery. Rather, the passage came to symbolize the Times’s blurring of historical analysis with editorial hyperbole. The announced intention of reframing the country’s origin date struck many readers across the political spectrum as an implicit repudiation of the American revolution and its underlying principles.

Rather than address this controversy directly, the Times—it now appears—decided to send it down the memory hole—the euphemized term for selectively editing inconvenient passages out of old newspaper reports in George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984. Without announcement or correction, the newspaper quietly edited out the offending passage such that it now reads:

The 1619 Project is an ongoing initiative from The New York Times Magazine that began in August 2019, the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of our national narrative.
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Discovery of this edit came about earlier this week when Nikole Hannah-Jones went on CNN to deny that she had ever sought to displace 1776 with a new founding date of 1619. She repeated the point in a now-deleted tweet: “The #1619Project does not argue that 1619 was our true founding. We know this nation marks its founding at 1776.” It was not the first time that Hannah-Jones had tried to alter her self-depiction of the project’s aims on account of the controversial line. She attempted a similar revision a few months ago during an online spat with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro.

But this time the brazen rewriting of her own arguments proved too much. Hannah-Jones’s readers scoured her own Twitter feed and public statements over the previous year, unearthing multiple instances where she had in fact announced an intention to displace 1776 with 1619.

The foremost piece of evidence against Hannah-Jones’s spin, of course, came from the opening passage of from the Times’s own website where it originally announced its aim “to reframe the country’s history” around the year “1619 as our true founding.” When readers returned to that website to cite the line however, they discovered to their surprise that it was no longer there.

The Times quietly dropped the offending passage at some point during the intervening year, although multiple screencaps of the original exist. The Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine suggests the alteration came around late December 2019, when the 1619 Project was facing an onslaught of criticism over this exact point from several distinguished historians of the American founding.

It wasn’t the only edit that the newspaper made to further conceal its previous denigration of 1776. Prompted by the discovery of the first deletion, Twitter users noticed another suspicious change to the project’s text. The print edition of the 1619 Project from August 2019 contained an introductory passage reading:

In August of 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near Point Comfort, a coastal port in the British colony of Virginia. It carried more than 20 enslaved Africans, who were sold to the colonists. America was not yet America, but this was the moment it began. No aspect of the country that would be formed here has been untouched by the 250 years of slavery that followed.
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The website version of the 1619 Project now reads:

In August of 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near Point Comfort, a coastal port in the English colony of Virginia. It carried more than 20 enslaved Africans, who were sold to the colonists. No aspect of the country that would be formed here has been untouched by the years of slavery that followed.
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This additional reference to the 1619 origin point, underlined in the original print version, is no more.

Whatever the exact occasion for the changes, the Times did not disclose its edits or how they obscured one of the most controversial claims in the entire 1619 Project. They simply made the problematic passages disappear, hoping that nobody would notice.

https://quillette.com/2020/09/19/down-the-1619-projects-memory-hole/


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Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Anybody teaching that is going to get their federal funding stripped.

Get woke, go broke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 25, 2020 9:12 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Anybody teaching that is going to get their federal funding stripped.

Get woke, go broke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trumptards prefer lies to truth.



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Friday, September 25, 2020 9:12 AM

REAVERFAN



Facebook removed three separate networks for violating our policy against foreign or government interference which is coordinated inauthentic behavior (CIB) on behalf of a foreign or government entity. These networks originated in Russia.
https://twitter.com/benimmo/status/1309206995640213504

Russia's still trying.



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Friday, September 25, 2020 9:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I still don't understand why you pretend not to love Russia.

You've got more in common with Putin than anybody else here, Comrade Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 25, 2020 10:58 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I still don't understand why you pretend not to love Russia.

You've got more in common with Putin than anybody else here, Comrade Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Wrong. Putin is a fascist. I am not. Putin is a bloody, murderous dictator. I am not. Putin is short and ugly. I am not.



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