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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:16 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:18 PM
Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:20 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:10 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC So, you got nothing. NEXT ...? - SIGNY No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell. So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up. And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY Apparently nothing relevant to post.= SIGNY Who's your primary care giver, btw?= CC
Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:33 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And these are the issues the NYimes say are a DIRECT consequence SOLELY caused by slavery: Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race By Jeneen Interlandi https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todayspaper/2019/08/18/todays-new-york-times
Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:48 AM
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And in 2019 we have black doctors and everybody goes to the same hospitals. But wouldn't ya know it? No free healthcare. What a load of horseshit. If you're going to tow that line, my only words to you are "fuck you, racist." Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Something not worth reading.
Quote: It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by second: Something not worth reading. fify The NYTimes had goals for their project. They stated their goals very explicitly. They may or may not have achieved those goals (ideals) in their writings (imperfect realizations). Nobody needs to look at the imperfect realizations to try and reverse engineer what the ideals might have been, since they explicitly stated their project ideals.Quote: It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are. Those are their explicitly stated goals. SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals, and has spent maybe a half-dozen lengthy posts trying to avoid directly addressing the NYTimes' explicitly stated goals.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba". I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry. Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba". I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry. Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie. Do Right, Be Right. :)Focus, 6ix. Less about you and more about the NYTimes, please. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:I really don't see the draw of knowing where you came from anyhow, or at the very least it's not as if you're not in good company if you don't. If you gave me a map that didn't have country names on it, I could probably point out about half of the countries of my "supposed" ancestry. There are a lot of them.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:45 AM
Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already. You're an idiot. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already. Do Right, Be Right. :)1kiki posted 6 times the same words on this page and the previous one. It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes and that 1kiki did not read the 1619 Project stories. Signym actually said she didn't read the stories, but 1kiki has not admitted that, quite yet. As for 6ix's reading? Who knows what 6ix comprehends or, alternatively, misconstrues? Not even 6ix knows how confused he is inside his skull. But there are strange things coming out of his mouth and keyboard. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:05 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism. And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why don't you reply to the previous post I made? Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject. You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them. Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism. And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole. None of them being valid claims. All of them easily debunked.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:41 AM
Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: 1kiki, you are completely unable to read the NYTimes 1619 Project stories.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes ...
Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:38 PM
Quote: It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: WHERE are those links? SECOND in particular posts tons of crap; I'm not about to go wading thru his last 300 posts ... or your last 50 ... just to find the one that might be relevant. Not gonna google it either. This is YOUR ax that you've been grinding for months now. If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why don't you reply to the previous post I made? Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject. You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them. Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything. Do Right, Be Right. :)There is an "artist" who sells "paintings" on the corner. When I'm at the light, I never talk to him nor buy his "paintings" because he is out of his mind. My rule is to not engage with people who might break your windshield with the big rock the "artist" keeps handy to prevent his "paintings" (probably done with his own excrement) from blowing away. 6ix, you and Signym and 1kiki paint pictures with your excrement. I only roll down my window and talk to you because I'm far, far away from you nutjobs. But I not gonna engage with your "art" nor am I gonna critique it. Here is the corner. The "artist" is not there because he was probably in the custody of the Baytown police: https://goo.gl/maps/9KvoXKPFwYYK9tjn6 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, August 23, 2019 3:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
Friday, August 23, 2019 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And what am I discussing? The NYTimes' STATED GOALS. Quote: It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are. And what would YOUR REPLIES TO ME be addressing if you were actually discussing my posts instead of trolling me? Quote: It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:24 AM
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Of course it was tongue in cheek. He was a massive troll before he was elected, and he's trolled the Democratic party into ripping itself apart. The Democratic party will never be the same after he gets re-elected in 2020. Who wrote that piece you lifted there? It was actually funny. Especially the bit about buying a sign written in shit. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:56 AM
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign. I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain! You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, August 23, 2019 11:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?
Friday, August 23, 2019 11:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign. I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain! You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead. Do Right, Be Right. :)I was checking just now to see what Trump is writing on cardboard signs with his excrement: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h This despite the Fake News and Polls! Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump THANK YOU! #MAGA https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164862120447664128 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h The Economy is strong and good, whereas the rest of the world is not doing so well. Despite this the Fake News Media, together with their Partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to convince people that we are in, or will soon be going into, a Recession. They are ... willing to lose their wealth, or a big part of it, just for the possibility of winning the Election. But it won't work because I always find a way to win, especially for the people! The greatest political movement in the history of our Country will have another big win in 2020! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164861053433499648 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h 94% Approval Rating within the Republican Party. Thank you! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164852076930879493
Friday, August 23, 2019 12:22 PM
Friday, August 23, 2019 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Like, for example, ABOUT THE TOPIC. I HAVE YET TO SEE A LINK TO ANY ARTICLE THAT YOU THINK MAKES A COMPELLING CASE THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST. Do you not have any?
Friday, August 23, 2019 12:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: It's a political movement alright.
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:46 PM
Quote:...discussed the role President Trump’s [PRESUMED]racist rhetoric
Quote: has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior.
Quote: It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.
Quote: First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate that anti-immigrant sentiment, racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump.
Quote:Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.
Quote:Even more alarmingly, there is a clear correlation between Trump campaign events and incidents of prejudiced violence. FBI data show that since Trump’s election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins. It was the second-largest uptick in hate crimes in the 25 years for which data are available, second only to the spike after September 11, 2001. Though hate crimes are typically most frequent in the summer, in 2016 they peaked in the fourth quarter (October-December). This new, higher rate of hate crimes continued throughout 2017.
Quote:The association between Trump and hate crimes is not limited to the election itself. Another study, based on data collected by the Anti-Defamation League, shows that counties that hosted a Trump campaign rally in 2016 saw hate crime rates more than double compared to similar counties that did not host a rally.
Quote:The data analysis discussed above has centered on correlations;
Quote: they are suggestive of a link between Trump and racist attitudes and behavior, but do not actually demonstrate that one leads to the other.
Quote:However, there is also causal evidence to point to. In experiments, being exposed to Trump’s rhetoric actually increases expressions of prejudice. In a 2017 survey, researchers randomly exposed some respondents to racist comments by the president, such as: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Friday, August 23, 2019 8:47 PM
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:25 PM
Quote:"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST. So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:50 PM
Quote: I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST. So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.- SIGNY Does a lynching count as racist?
Friday, August 23, 2019 9:54 PM
Quote:Again, is "Mexico" a race? No, it is not. MEXICO is a nation with a lot of problems including massive poverty, unemployment, corruption, and the takeover of large regions by drug barons. MEXICO, as nation, could have a potentially large interest in exporting its most dissatisfied people, because it acts as a pressure relief valve for problems which the MEXCIAN GOVERNMENT seems unable to fix. The statement is about MEXICO and the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT and its policies of (potentially) ecouraging migration to reduce its own internal costs. Now, I'm going to go out on a limb, and suggest that Mexico's institutional failures at all levels of government, which have persisted - not for years or decades, but GENERATIONS - must have had a corrosive effect on Mexican society and Mexican people: the lack of confidence in the justice system, the acceptance of small forms of corruption, bribery and theft at every level*, the hopelessness that government can be meaningfully reformed and drug lords brought down, lack of confidence in meritocracy. So the impression that I get of illegal migrants is that they see the USA as a great opportunity to make a living, but don't see their responsibility in keeping the system working. As long as they pay their "bribe" to TPTB - as a source of cheap flexible labor - their breaking immigration laws should be overlooked. * My boss used to go with his church group to Mexico to help build orphanages, but they learned to keep the goods meant for the children - clothes, toothpaste, things like that - locked up because otherwise the orphanage workers would steal them. I knew a couple who used to drive all the way thru Mexico south, but kept "spare" batteries in the trunk in order to be allowed to pass through various (legal and illegal) checkpoints along the route.
Friday, August 23, 2019 11:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” It really pisses me off when people have access to the full quote and then post HIGHLY selected and rearranged tidbits without posting a link to the entire quote. Because the only reason to do that is to lie - and make getting caught on it difficult. Here is the ENTIRE quote, with the link http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/ . Quote:"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."
Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump is a loose cannon. He reacts viscerally and unwisely to scenes that are heinous, which is why he had missiles fired on Syria when he saw pictures of dead kids, and why he banished dozens of Russian diplomats when shown (false btw) pictures of "poisoned children and dead ducks" in Salisbury, location of the Skripal poisonings. He hasn't apologized for that, either. Are those instances racist? You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not. BTW, I know that there is STILL racism in the USA. There's even reverse racism. A lot of prejudice flowing in all directions. All that means is that we have not achieved equality and meritocracy, and constantly crying "racism! racism!" and demanding reparations and guilt over something we had no hand in isn't going to get us where we need to go.
Saturday, August 24, 2019 12:24 PM
Quote: You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.= SIGNY Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans
Quote: Hispanics more broadly
Quote: Muslims
Quote:, Jews
Quote:immigrants
Quote:, women
Quote: and people with disabilities
Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:18 PM
Quote:Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:16 PM Originally posted by captaincrunch: Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not a race Not a race Not a race Not a race Not a race.
Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I don't think Signym read the National Geographic, which says: "There's No Scientific Basis for Race — It's a Made-Up Label"
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not a unicorn Not a unicorn Not a unicorn Not a unicorn Not a unicorn.
Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.
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