If you're wondering why Russia died and is replaced with Muh Racisim... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And these are the issues the NYimes say are a DIRECT consequence SOLELY caused by slavery:

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One
By Nikole Hannah-Jones

American Capitalism Is Brutal. You Can Trace That to the Plantation.
By Matthew Desmond

How Segregation Caused Your Traffic Jam
By Kevin M. Kruse

Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
By Jeneen Interlandi

What the Reactionary Politics of 2019 Owe to the Politics of Slavery
By Jamelle Bouie

How False Beliefs in Physical Racial Difference Still Live in Medicine Today
By Linda Villarosa

Why Is Everyone Always Stealing Black Music?
By Wesley Morris

The Barbaric History of Sugar in America
By Khalil Gibran Muhammad

Why American Prisons Owe Their Cruelty to Slavery
By Bryan Stevenson

How America’s Vast Racial Wealth Gap Grew: By Plunder
By Trymaine Lee

https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todayspaper/2019/08/18/todays-new-york-t
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Wednesday, August 21, 2019 6:20 PM

Gross.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:10 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY

Apparently nothing relevant to post.= SIGNY

Who's your primary care giver, btw?= CC

And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.

Yanno, I don't get it. I'm finally ready to read some of your posts in detail, word by word, which provides what YOU think is the best example of Trump's racism ... something you've been bitching about for a couple of months now ... and yet you insist on posting exactly what you usually post: lies, ad hominems, strawmen, red herrings, anything but the topic ar hand.

It's almost as if you're intent on proving my point for me: that you have no evidence of Trump's "racism", just a whole lotta "feelz" about it. Now, I do recall someone posting a link, it may have been SECOND, about Trump's supposed racism, but I have no idea where it is or what it says. All I'm asking for is one link, not a dissertation on the topic. Is it too much to come up with? Apparently yes!

BTW I have not read the NYT stories either. I''ve got a lot going on and not enuf time to read paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit. I think they're just more deflection. If SCOND only knew how little anyone reads his posts, maybe he'd stop splattering the board with propaganda.

So how about it, SECOND? How about posting something that might actually be read?

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:33 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And these are the issues the NYimes say are a DIRECT consequence SOLELY caused by slavery:

Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race
By Jeneen Interlandi

https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todayspaper/2019/08/18/todays-new-york-t
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Let's pick one of those stories that Trump-voters find extremely offensive. Maybe a long quote will show or give a hint what is making those Trump-voter heads explode. The story has got something to do with the nation’s first federal health care program, which just so happened to serve freedmen after the Civil War. From the beginning, white legislators argued it would breed dependence. Today, we know how much Trump-voters hate Obamacare. Funny how they got started hating in the 19th Century.

Why Doesn’t America Have Universal Health Care? One Word: Race

https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000805/www.nytimes.com/interactive
/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html

The smallpox virus hopscotched across the post-Civil War South, invading the makeshift camps where many thousands of newly freed African-Americans had taken refuge but leaving surrounding white communities comparatively unscathed. This pattern of affliction was no mystery: In the late 1860s, doctors had yet to discover viruses, but they knew that poor nutrition made people more susceptible to illness and that poor sanitation contributed to the spread of disease. They also knew that quarantine and vaccination could stop an outbreak in its tracks; they had used those very tools to prevent a smallpox outbreak from ravaging the Union Army.

Smallpox was not the only health disparity facing the newly emancipated, who at the close of the Civil War faced a considerably higher mortality rate than that of whites. Despite their urgent pleas for assistance, white leaders were deeply ambivalent about intervening. They worried about black epidemics spilling into their own communities and wanted the formerly enslaved to be healthy enough to return to plantation work. But they also feared that free and healthy African-Americans would upend the racial hierarchy, the historian Jim Downs writes in his 2012 book, “Sick From Freedom.”

Federal policy, he notes, reflected white ambivalence at every turn. Congress established the medical division of the Freedmen’s Bureau — the nation’s first federal health care program — to address the health crisis, but officials deployed just 120 or so doctors across the war-torn South, then ignored those doctors’ pleas for personnel and equipment. They erected more than 40 hospitals but prematurely shuttered most of them.

White legislators argued that free assistance of any kind would breed dependence and that when it came to black infirmity, hard labor was a better salve than white medicine. As the death toll rose, they developed a new theory: Blacks were so ill suited to freedom that the entire race was going extinct. “No charitable black scheme can wash out the color of the Negro, change his inferior nature or save him from his inevitable fate,” an Ohio congressman said.

One of the most eloquent rejoinders to the theory of black extinction came from Rebecca Lee Crumpler, the nation’s first black female doctor. Crumpler was born free and trained and practiced in Boston. At the close of the war, she joined the Freedmen’s Bureau and worked in the freed people’s communities of Virginia. In 1883, she published one of the first treatises on the burden of disease in black communities. “They seem to forget there is a cause for every ailment,” she wrote. “And that it may be in their power to remove it.”

In the decades following Reconstruction, the former slave states came to wield enormous congressional power through a voting bloc that was uniformly segregationist and overwhelmingly Democratic. That bloc preserved the nation’s racial stratification by securing local control of federal programs under a mantra of “states’ rights” and, in some cases, by adding qualifications directly to federal laws with discriminatory intent.

As the Columbia University historian Ira Katznelson and others have documented, it was largely at the behest of Southern Democrats that farm and domestic workers — more than half the nation’s black work force at the time — were excluded from New Deal policies, including the Social Security and Wagner Acts of 1935 (the Wagner Act ensured the right of workers to collective bargaining), and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set a minimum wage and established the eight-hour workday. The same voting bloc ensured states controlled crucial programs like Aid to Dependent Children and the 1944 Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill, allowing state leaders to effectively exclude black people.

In 1945, when President Truman called on Congress to expand the nation’s hospital system as part of a larger health care plan, Southern Democrats obtained key concessions that shaped the American medical landscape for decades to come. The Hill-Burton Act provided federal grants for hospital construction to communities in need, giving funding priority to rural areas (many of them in the South). But it also ensured that states controlled the disbursement of funds and could segregate resulting facilities.

Professional societies like the American Medical Association barred black doctors; medical schools excluded black students, and most hospitals and health clinics segregated black patients. Federal health care policy was designed, both implicitly and explicitly, to exclude black Americans. As a result, they faced an array of inequities — including statistically shorter, sicker lives than their white counterparts. What’s more, access to good medical care was predicated on a system of employer-based insurance that was inherently difficult for black Americans to get. “They were denied most of the jobs that offered coverage,” says David Barton Smith, an emeritus historian of health care policy at Temple University. “And even when some of them got health insurance, as the Pullman porters did, they couldn’t make use of white facilities.”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000805/www.nytimes.com/interactive
/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:48 AM

And in 2019 we have black doctors and everybody goes to the same hospitals.

But wouldn't ya know it? No free healthcare.

What a load of horseshit.

If you're going to tow that line, my only words to you are "fuck you, racist."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:01 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And in 2019 we have black doctors and everybody goes to the same hospitals.

But wouldn't ya know it? No free healthcare.

What a load of horseshit.

If you're going to tow that line, my only words to you are "fuck you, racist."

Do Right, Be Right. :)

One hundred and fifty years after the freed people of the South first petitioned the government for basic medical care, the United States remains the only high-income country in the world where such care is not guaranteed to every citizen.

In 2010, the Affordable Care Act brought health insurance to nearly 20 million previously uninsured adults. The biggest beneficiaries of this boon were people of color, many of whom obtained coverage through the law’s Medicaid expansion. That coverage contributed to a measurable decrease in some racial health disparities, but the success was neither as enduring nor as widespread as it might have been. Several states, most of them in the former Confederacy, refused to participate in Medicaid expansion. And several are still trying to make access to the program contingent on onerous new work requirements. The results of both policies have been unequivocal. States that expanded Medicaid saw a drop in disease-related deaths, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. The states that did not expand Medicaid? Death rates increased.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:15 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by second:
Something not worth reading.

fify

The NYTimes had goals for their project.

They stated their goals very explicitly.

They may or may not have achieved those goals (ideals) in their writings (imperfect realizations).

Nobody needs to look at the imperfect realizations to try and reverse engineer what the ideals might have been, since they explicitly stated their project ideals.

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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

Those are their explicitly stated goals.

SECOND is completely unable to address those NYTimes explicitly stated goals, and has spent maybe a half-dozen lengthy posts trying to avoid directly addressing those NYTimes' explicitly stated goals.

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:28 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals.

1kiki, you are completely unable to read the NYTimes 1619 Project stories. Maybe you should try the Internet Archives, which avoids having to log into the NYTimes? Start here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000807/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

In order to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation

A couple of years before he was convicted of securities fraud, Martin Shkreli was the chief executive of a pharmaceutical company that acquired the rights to Daraprim, a lifesaving antiparasitic drug. Previously the drug cost $13.50 a pill, but in Shkreli’s hands, the price quickly increased by a factor of 56, to $750 a pill. At a health care conference, Shkreli told the audience that he should have raised the price even higher. “No one wants to say it, no one’s proud of it,” he explained. “But this is a capitalist society, a capitalist system and capitalist rules.”

This is a capitalist society. It’s a fatalistic mantra that seems to get repeated to anyone who questions why America can’t be more fair or equal. But around the world, there are many types of capitalist societies, ranging from liberating to exploitative, protective to abusive, democratic to unregulated. When Americans declare that “we live in a capitalist society” — as a real estate mogul told The Miami Herald last year when explaining his feelings about small-business owners being evicted from their Little Haiti storefronts — what they’re often defending is our nation’s peculiarly brutal economy. “Low-road capitalism,” the University of Wisconsin-Madison sociologist Joel Rogers has called it. In a capitalist society that goes low, wages are depressed as businesses compete over the price, not the quality, of goods; so-called unskilled workers are typically incentivized through punishments, not promotions; inequality reigns and poverty spreads. In the United States, the richest 1 percent of Americans own 40 percent of the country’s wealth, while a larger share of working-age people (18-65) live in poverty than in any other nation belonging to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (O.E.C.D.).

Or consider worker rights in different capitalist nations. In Iceland, 90 percent of wage and salaried workers belong to trade unions authorized to fight for living wages and fair working conditions. Thirty-four percent of Italian workers are unionized, as are 26 percent of Canadian workers. Only 10 percent of American wage and salaried workers carry union cards. The O.E.C.D. scores nations along a number of indicators, such as how countries regulate temporary work arrangements. Scores run from 5 (“very strict”) to 1 (“very loose”). Brazil scores 4.1 and Thailand, 3.7, signaling toothy regulations on temp work. Further down the list are Norway (3.4), India (2.5) and Japan (1.3). The United States scored 0.3, tied for second to last place with Malaysia. How easy is it to fire workers? Countries like Indonesia (4.1) and Portugal (3) have strong rules about severance pay and reasons for dismissal. Those rules relax somewhat in places like Denmark (2.1) and Mexico (1.9). They virtually disappear in the United States, ranked dead last out of 71 nations with a score of 0.5.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20190820000807/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Something not worth reading.
fify

The NYTimes had goals for their project.

They stated their goals very explicitly.

They may or may not have achieved those goals (ideals) in their writings (imperfect realizations).

Nobody needs to look at the imperfect realizations to try and reverse engineer what the ideals might have been, since they explicitly stated their project ideals.
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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE foundingand placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

Those are their explicitly stated goals.

SECOND is completely unable to address the NYTimes explicitly stated goals, and has spent maybe a half-dozen lengthy posts trying to avoid directly addressing the NYTimes' explicitly stated goals.

This.

And...

I really don't see the draw of knowing where you came from anyhow, or at the very least it's not as if you're not in good company if you don't. If you gave me a map that didn't have country names on it, I could probably point out about half of the countries of my "supposed" ancestry. There are a lot of them.

A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".

I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.

Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:42 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".

I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.

Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Focus, 6ix. Less about you and more about the NYTimes, please.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

A story my old man has told me about when he was a kid and a bunch of the old Degos on my Grandpa's side got together and had a big family reunion is that he was introduced to an oldschool Wop the family called "Uncle Goomba" and all Goomba had to say after being introduced to my Dad was "He doesn't look Italian". To which my father (internally) replied, "Fuck you, Goomba".

I wouldn't be able to point out half of the flags of my ancestry.

Most of the "Italian" food that I've eaten in my life is a lie and was made here in the USA. Spaghetti and Meatballs? Italians never ate their meatballs with spaghetti until they came to the US. Spaghetti and Meatballs is the Taco Bell of Italian food. Even the simplest Italian dish is a lie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Focus, 6ix. Less about you and more about the NYTimes, please.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

It's relevant.

I've got to read some bullshit about some kid not being able to point out on a map where they came from for a class project. I'm just telling my story.

Is my story not valid because I'm a white male? Is that the point you're trying to make?

Oh, and BTW...

You neglected to quote the lead in paragraph that ties the relevancy. I'm sure that was by design. It's something the NYT and WaPo do all the time. It's called Lying by Structure.

Here it is in case it already slipped down your memory gorge.

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I really don't see the draw of knowing where you came from anyhow, or at the very least it's not as if you're not in good company if you don't. If you gave me a map that didn't have country names on it, I could probably point out about half of the countries of my "supposed" ancestry. There are a lot of them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:45 AM

And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:58 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.

You're an idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1kiki posted 6 times the same words on this page and the previous one. It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes and that 1kiki did not read the 1619 Project stories. Signym actually said she didn't read the stories, but 1kiki has not admitted that, quite yet. As for 6ix's reading? Who knows what 6ix comprehends or, alternatively, misconstrues? Not even 6ix knows how confused he is inside his skull. But there are strange things coming out of his mouth and keyboard. The same is true of Trump's tweets: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164520903725723648

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you're the one who can't focus on the main goal of the project, which was explicitly stated by the NYT, and which Kiki has posted for you no less than half a dozen times already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
1kiki posted 6 times the same words on this page and the previous one. It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes and that 1kiki did not read the 1619 Project stories. Signym actually said she didn't read the stories, but 1kiki has not admitted that, quite yet. As for 6ix's reading? Who knows what 6ix comprehends or, alternatively, misconstrues? Not even 6ix knows how confused he is inside his skull. But there are strange things coming out of his mouth and keyboard.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?

Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.

You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.

Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:05 AM

... stay crunchy...

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And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.

And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:19 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.

And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.

None of them being valid claims.

All of them easily debunked.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:32 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?

Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.

You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.

Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

There is an "artist" who sells "paintings" on the corner. When I'm at the light, I never talk to him nor buy his "paintings" because he is out of his mind. My rule is to not engage with people who might break your windshield with the big rock the "artist" keeps handy to prevent his "paintings" (probably done with his own excrement) from blowing away. 6ix, you and Signym and 1kiki paint pictures with your excrement. I only roll down my window and talk to you because I'm far, far away from you nutjobs. But I not gonna engage with your "art" nor am I gonna critique it.

Here is the corner. The "artist" is not there because he was probably in the custody of the Baytown police: https://goo.gl/maps/9KvoXKPFwYYK9tjn6

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:20 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.

And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.

None of them being valid claims.

All of them easily debunked.

You don't remember either? I even remember some of the stupid sh*t you posted on that thread. Pretty much like all of your posts lately, "lol" " Wha!" "No it isn't!"
If either of you were really interested in Trump's racism you could do a google search and find days worth. Since you haven't it's reeeaaaalll obvious you're both just happy to be assholes. Aim high!

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 11:41 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And still ... not a single link to any article about Trump's racism.

And still... we already posted links. And further still, we know you're just being an @sshole.

WHERE are those links? SECOND in particular posts tons of crap; I'm not about to go wading thru his last 300 posts ... or your last 50 ... just to find the one that might be relevant.

Not gonna google it either. This is YOUR ax that you've been grinding for months now. If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:33 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you are completely unable to read the NYTimes 1619 Project stories.

They're irrelevant to a discussion of the NYTimes' STATED GOALS. And a discussion of the NYTimes' STATED GOALS is one you've avoided mightily with a non-stop stream of irrelevancies, lies, strawman arguments, and ad hominems.

tic tac

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by second:
It is pretty obvious that 1kiki wants to make a point which completely misunderstands the points made by the NYTimes ...

I misunderstand the points made by the NYTimes by quoting their STATED GOALS exact and entire? I'd like you to please explain how that's possible.

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 1:38 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And what am I discussing? The NYTimes' STATED GOALS.

Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

And what would YOUR REPLIES TO ME be addressing if you were actually discussing my posts instead of trolling me?

Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:16 PM

... stay crunchy...

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WHERE are those links? SECOND in particular posts tons of crap; I'm not about to go wading thru his last 300 posts ... or your last 50 ... just to find the one that might be relevant.

Not gonna google it either. This is YOUR ax that you've been grinding for months now. If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.

Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.

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Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:52 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Why don't you reply to the previous post I made?

Because you don't have anything valid to say on the subject.

You are boring, predictable and the definition of trite. You don't engage anybody in conversation and have a years-long pattern of quoting people then posting irrelevant articles in reply to them.

Nobody cares one whit what you have to say about anything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
There is an "artist" who sells "paintings" on the corner. When I'm at the light, I never talk to him nor buy his "paintings" because he is out of his mind. My rule is to not engage with people who might break your windshield with the big rock the "artist" keeps handy to prevent his "paintings" (probably done with his own excrement) from blowing away. 6ix, you and Signym and 1kiki paint pictures with your excrement. I only roll down my window and talk to you because I'm far, far away from you nutjobs. But I not gonna engage with your "art" nor am I gonna critique it.

Here is the corner. The "artist" is not there because he was probably in the custody of the Baytown police: https://goo.gl/maps/9KvoXKPFwYYK9tjn6

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Nobody here is going to throw rocks at you, pussy.

Spare me your bullshit. We already know that the only reason you post here is to listen to yourself talk. God knows you don't actually do any work or have any hobbies.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 23, 2019 3:16 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.

I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?

Your history inspires no confidence that you'll actually return to this thread with anything, or even return at all. And that this will be yet another disappearing act when facts don't support you.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And what am I discussing? The NYTimes' STATED GOALS.
Quote:
It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

And what would YOUR REPLIES TO ME be addressing if you were actually discussing my posts instead of trolling me?
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It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

You are kind of repeating yourself, even from paragraph to paragraph. That crazy person standing on the corner in Baytown I mentioned yesterday? Well, I went by the corner and he had a sign for sell, which read: "Trump #1! Trump #1!" repeating the same thought twice on one piece of card board. Most likely he meant Trump's "I am the chosen one." If I had stopped to talk, the crazy man might have explained that what Trump and he really meant was:

Trump's "chosen one" aside was likely tongue-in-cheek, not a sincere profession of any belief in his own messianic status. Separately, in a series of tweets, Trump quoted a radio host who claimed Jewish people in Israel admired the U.S. president so greatly that it was as though Trump were the King of Israel or the second coming of Christ. Trump never himself articulated any such belief.

But the traffic light changed too quickly. I was out of there before the crazy man could expound on the subtle meaning of his sign, which he would sell to you for a negotiated price, if you were the kind of person who buys signs written in human excrement.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-second-coming-king-israel/

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:24 AM

Of course it was tongue in cheek. He was a massive troll before he was elected, and he's trolled the Democratic party into ripping itself apart. The Democratic party will never be the same after he gets re-elected in 2020.

Who wrote that piece you lifted there? It was actually funny. Especially the bit about buying a sign written in shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:26 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If anyone has read a lot of articles about Trump's racism, it would be you, SECOND, WISHY, and REAVERBOT. Yanno, I waded thru a few of the ones you posted already ... how bulding a wall is "racist" and how keeping people from failed states out of the USA is "racist" and how wealthy people who originally express tolerant views of other cultures change their attitude when exposed to Spanish-speaking people ... spare me the crap. Find me the gem that YOU found which demonstrates Trumo's "racism". Whittle your complaint down and re-post the link(s) here. There was one in particular that I recall reading the title ... supposedly contained many instances (presumably in list form) of the instances of Trump's racism. If you think that is particularly compelling please bring it forward. Make your best argument, take your best shot. I want to see what's out there, and you people should know. But leave the crap outside 'cause I feel like Ive been there and done that already.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.
I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?

Your history inspires no confidence that you'll actually return to this thread with anything, or even return at all. And that this will be yet another disappearing act when facts don't support you.

Are tired of waiting? Wait no more:

Trump's racial rhetoric has inspired a conversion experience among some conservative white commentators like Joe Scarborough and Max Boot.

Boot wrote after Trump's racist tweets: "It is as blatant example of racism and xenophobia as we have seen in our politics in my lifetime... I am ashamed to have spent most of my life as a Republican."

That conversion has trickled down to many ordinary white Americans. According to one poll, racial prejudice has actually declined because Trump's racially inflammatory rhetoric has "pushed the majority of white Americans in the opposite direction."

In this way Trump has taken away one of the most effective weapons used by racists -- plausible deniability, Kevin Kruse, historian, said.

"Racist policies work better when they don't seem to be racist," Kruse said. "If you could give voters in the middle some plausible deniability that this isn't about race -- 'I don't believe in segregation, I believe in neighborhood schools; it's not voter suppression, it's voter integrity' -- If you put a more positive spin on it, it invites more people in who don't see this policy as racist.

"Once the veneer comes off, a lot of people in the middle will shy away," he added. "Trump has taken away the veneer."

More at www.cnn.com/2019/08/23/us/trump-obama-change-blake/index.html

“I disagreed with Obama. But what Trump has done makes those differences insignificant” by Joe Scarborough
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-presidency-will-be-hailed-as-tr
ansformative-trumps-will-be-viewed-with-scorn/2019/03/19/c4ba3742-4a7c-11e9-9663-00ac73f49662_story.html?noredirect=on

100 years from now, Donald Trump’s presidency will be viewed with the same scorn that followed the Dred Scott decision. Like that pre-Civil War Supreme Court case, Trump will forever be condemned as a racial reprobate whose words and actions inspired white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

Max Boot, Jackie Robinson, and the racism problem in the Republican Party.
Max Boot could have had an awakening decades ago — if he’d listened to black conservatives.
www.vox.com/2018/10/12/17955400/max-boot-trump-conservatism-gop-goldwa
ter

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course it was tongue in cheek. He was a massive troll before he was elected, and he's trolled the Democratic party into ripping itself apart. The Democratic party will never be the same after he gets re-elected in 2020.

Who wrote that piece you lifted there? It was actually funny. Especially the bit about buying a sign written in shit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That was all my writing, except for the part Snopes wrote www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-second-coming-king-israel/
Did Donald Trump Call Himself the ‘Second Coming of God,’ the ‘Chosen One’ or the ‘King of Israel’?

That crazy person I wrote about with the sign "Trump #1!" That happened, yesterday. It might be a dried out brown marker pen rather than excrement he is writing with, but I'm not gonna buy one of his signs to find out. The crazy person is probably not homeless; there are many RV parks close to that corner. To repeat myself, the crazy person selling Trump signs and 6ix, Signym, and 1kiki are all cut from the same bolt of cloth, in my opinion. It is the pattern printed on the cloth, not the design of the clothes made from the cloth, that marks the similarity of those four people. What is the pattern on the cloth? It is a message: "I need your complete attention to this important public announcement about my affiliation with the GOP!"
https://goo.gl/maps/YkwEtr9euRvBt3Nr8

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:56 AM

lol

When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.

I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!

You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 23, 2019 9:08 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.

I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!

You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I was checking just now to see what Trump is writing on cardboard signs with his excrement:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
This despite the Fake News and Polls!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
THANK YOU! #MAGA
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164862120447664128

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
The Economy is strong and good, whereas the rest of the world is not doing so well. Despite this the Fake News Media, together with their Partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to convince people that we are in, or will soon be going into, a Recession. They are ... willing to lose their wealth, or a big part of it, just for the possibility of winning the Election. But it won't work because I always find a way to win, especially for the people! The greatest political movement in the history of our Country will have another big win in 2020!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164861053433499648

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
94% Approval Rating within the Republican Party. Thank you!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164852076930879493

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Friday, August 23, 2019 11:27 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I was interested in an answer, too, but ... how long do you think it takes to read a magazine?

You 3? More than 6 months would be my first guess.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 11:29 AM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

When the economy gets bad enough that I can't afford a sharpie and I have to start writing my protest signs with my own shit, I'll give you a call and give you a second chance to own your very own shit written sign.

I am the chosen one! I am king shit on turd mountain!

You're going to want to save that sign, Second. It'll be worth a fortune when I'm dead.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I was checking just now to see what Trump is writing on cardboard signs with his excrement:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
This despite the Fake News and Polls!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
THANK YOU! #MAGA
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164862120447664128

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
The Economy is strong and good, whereas the rest of the world is not doing so well. Despite this the Fake News Media, together with their Partner, the Democrat Party, are working overtime to convince people that we are in, or will soon be going into, a Recession. They are ... willing to lose their wealth, or a big part of it, just for the possibility of winning the Election. But it won't work because I always find a way to win, especially for the people! The greatest political movement in the history of our Country will have another big win in 2020!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164861053433499648

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 2h
94% Approval Rating within the Republican Party. Thank you!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164852076930879493

It's a political movement alright.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 12:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND, you are avoiding the NYT's STATED GOALS about their "1619" project like the plague. Let ne give you an example of what YOU'RE doing but reframing it in a way that you might understand:

Let's say that FOX NEWS has a STATED GOAL of increasing white birthrate, and in order to do that, they've decided to publish a series of stories. The stories themselves aren't inimical, but they DO have a point and an effect. Let's say someone .... CC ... keeps telling you that FOX is trying to increase white birthrates. You OTOH keep posting about Fuffy Bunny Makes a Good Mommy and Mommy Makes Room for One More and The Problem of Only Children. Kinda disigenuous on your part, wouldn't you say? Who do you think isn't going to notice that you're completely avoiding the topic, but instead intent on repeating the propaganda?

Also, I think you've got "shit on the brain" because I keep accusing you of throwing a lot of shit against the wall to see what sticks. Well, it's not sticking but it does STINK. So instead of posting streams and streams of shit ... the equivalent of internet diarrhea ... why don't you start being a little thoughtful about what you post?

Like, for example, ABOUT THE TOPIC. I HAVE YET TO SEE A LINK TO ANY ARTICLE THAT YOU THINK MAKES A COMPELLING CASE THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST. Do you not have any?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, August 23, 2019 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Like, for example, ABOUT THE TOPIC. I HAVE YET TO SEE A LINK TO ANY ARTICLE THAT YOU THINK MAKES A COMPELLING CASE THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST. Do you not have any?

Trump and racism: What do the data say?
www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-
data-say/

Unfortunately, there is little reason to expect this research to have much impact on public attitudes; increasingly, partisanship skews what Americans think qualifies as racist. But there is no excuse for avoiding clear, accurate descriptions of American political dynamics. When the data show that President Trump’s support stems from racist and sexist beliefs, and that his election emboldened Americans to engage in racist behavior, it is the responsibility of social scientists and other political observers to say so.

The Brookings Cafeteria podcast last week discussed the role President Trump’s racist rhetoric has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior. It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

It's a political movement alright.

Trump dumped more of his bowel movements on twitter today:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 1h
As usual, the Fed did NOTHING! It is incredible that they can "speak" without knowing or asking what I am doing, which will be announced shortly. We have a very strong dollar and a very weak Fed. I will work "brilliantly" with both, and the U.S. will do great.......My only question is, who is our bigger enemy. Jay Powell or Chairman Xi?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914610836783104

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ¦ 1 h
Our Country has lost, stupidly, Trillions of Dollars with China over many years.
They have stolen our Intellectual Property at a rate of Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year, & they want to continue. I won't let that happen! We don't need China and, frankly, would be far........better off without them. The vast amounts of money made and stolen by China from the United States, year after year, for decades, will and must STOP. Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing......your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China's Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States. Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE,........all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn't. Our Economy, because of our gains in the last 2 1/2 years, is MUCH larger than that of China. We will keep it that way!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914959131848705

What is Trump eating? I only ask because this strange stuff is coming out of him. We know only because he tweets it, being so proud of his colorful excrement, which is chock-full of undigested chunks from Fox News he has consumed.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:46 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

From SECOND'S link

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...discussed the role President Trump’s [PRESUMED]racist rhetoric

Trump has tweeted a lot of things but none of it, as far as I know, is "racist". First of all, I reject the notion that referencing anyone's nation of origin, religion, or language is "racist". "Race" is what you were unchangeably born with. Language, nationality, religion, ethics, food choices, preferred music, political leanings are all potentially subject to choice. If I were to say that hating burritos is "racist", does that make any sense? ...

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has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior.

What "associations"?

Quote:
It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.

If Trump has not tweeted racist tweets, then he has not encouraged racism.

Quote:
First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate that anti-immigrant sentiment, racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump.

Here they lump a whole bunch of things together including (you will note) ANTI IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT. It's possible to be anti-immigrant, especialy anti-ILLEGAL immigrant, without being racist. The people I know who voted for Trump were, themselves, immigrants, coming from Mexico (2), Taiwan(2), China(1), Japan(1), Myanmar(1), Armenia(1), and Hungary(1). The author deliberately muddies the waters by not picking ut how much support Trumo got for his anti-illegal immigration stance versus "racism" per se. Also, almost all of these people were technically trained with college degrees in the sciences.

Quote:
Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.

And anti-immigration POV? What about that?

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Even more alarmingly, there is a clear correlation between Trump campaign events and incidents of prejudiced violence. FBI data show that since Trump’s election there has been an anomalous spike in hate crimes concentrated in counties where Trump won by larger margins. It was the second-largest uptick in hate crimes in the 25 years for which data are available, second only to the spike after September 11, 2001. Though hate crimes are typically most frequent in the summer, in 2016 they peaked in the fourth quarter (October-December). This new, higher rate of hate crimes continued throughout 2017.

And Antifa violence in counties where Trump did especially poorly? Does that mean that Hillary or the DNC is responsible for that, too?

Quote:
The association between Trump and hate crimes is not limited to the election itself. Another study, based on data collected by the Anti-Defamation League, shows that counties that hosted a Trump campaign rally in 2016 saw hate crime rates more than double compared to similar counties that did not host a rally.

I think I'd like to see that data. Since the number of "hate crimes" is generally low, the error bar on this correlation may reduce it to meaninglessness.

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The data analysis discussed above has centered on correlations;

There is a problem with using correlations to indicate causality. If A is correlated with B, it could be that A causes B (Trump causes hate crimes), B causes A, A nd B are both caused by C (Trump campaigned in counties that were especially destitute) or it's just a coincidence.

Quote:
they are suggestive of a link between Trump and racist attitudes and behavior, but do not actually demonstrate that one leads to the other.

What I posted.

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However, there is also causal evidence to point to. In experiments, being exposed to Trump’s rhetoric actually increases expressions of prejudice. In a 2017 survey, researchers randomly exposed some respondents to racist comments by the president, such as:

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Again, is "Mexico" a race? No, it is not. MEXICO is a nation with a lot of problems including massive poverty, unemployment, corruption, and the takeover of large regions by drug barons. MEXICO, as nation, could have a potentially large interest in exporting its most dissatisfied people, because it acts as a pressure relief valve for problems which the MEXCIAN GOVERNMENT seems unable to fix. The statement is about MEXICO and the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT and its policies of (potentially) ecouraging migration to reduce its own internal costs.

Now, I'm going to go out on a limb, and suggest that Mexico's institutional failures at all levels of government, which have persisted - not for years or decades, but GENERATIONS - must have had a corrosive effect on Mexican society and Mexican people: the lack of confidence in the justice system, the acceptance of small forms of corruption, bribery and theft at every level*, the hopelessness that government can be meaningfully reformed and drug lords brought down, lack of confidence in meritocracy. So the impression that I get of illegal migrants is that they see the USA as a great opportunity to make a living, but don't see their responsibility in keeping the system working. As long as they pay their "bribe" to TPTB - as a source of cheap flexible labor - their breaking immigration laws should be overlooked.

* My boss used to go with his church group to Mexico to help build orphanages, but they learned to keep the goods meant for the children - clothes, toothpaste, things like that - locked up because otherwise the orphanage workers would steal them. I knew a couple who used to drive all the way thru Mexico south, but kept "spare" batteries in the trunk in order to be allowed to pass through various (legal and illegal) checkpoints along the route.

The para then goes on to say that statements such as the one they quote "encourage expression of prejudice". "Prejudice" is a pretty broad term. Do they mean: Statements against illegal immigrants? Against Mexicans? Against Hispanics? RACIAL prejudice?

This is a lot like the RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria: Take a bunch of lightly related events, jumble them up, and try to tie them together with a narrative that, at its heart, has no "there" there.

I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST.

So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, August 23, 2019 8:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.

How much is a 'little time'? ... because I've read a couple of magazines since you posted.

And I'm still hoping that you'll post your examples of how Trump is a racist.

If you've been delving into this as deeply as you say you did for all the time you claim you did, you should have the information right at your fingertips.

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Friday, August 23, 2019 9:25 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

It really pisses me off when people have access to the full quote and then post HIGHLY selected and rearranged tidbits without posting a link to the entire quote.

Because the only reason to do that is to lie - and make getting caught on it difficult.

Here is the ENTIRE quote, with the link http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/ .

Quote:
"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."

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Friday, August 23, 2019 9:35 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST.

So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.

Does a lynching count as racist? It does, but probably not in your opinion, unless Trump put the noose around their neck with his own hands: "More than a decade after the exoneration of five black and Latino teens accused of raping a woman in Central Park, President Donald Trump indicated on Tuesday that he still doesn’t accept their innocence. Nor does he think he owes them an apology for publicly calling for their executions."
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18684217/trump-central-park-
5-netflix

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 23, 2019 9:50 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:

I'm still waiting for Trump's statements that are RACIST.
So far, a lot of shit thrown against the wall.- SIGNY

Does a lynching count as racist?

Where was the lynching? There wasn't one.

Trump is a loose cannon. He reacts viscerally and unwisely to scenes that are heinous, which is why he had missiles fired on Syria when he saw pictures of dead kids, and why he banished dozens of Russian diplomats when shown (false btw) pictures of "poisoned children and dead ducks" in Salisbury, location of the Skripal poisonings. He hasn't apologized for that, either. Are those instances racist?

You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.

BTW, I know that there is STILL racism in the USA. There's even reverse racism. A lot of prejudice flowing in all directions. All that means is that we have not achieved equality and meritocracy, and constantly crying "racism! racism!" and demanding reparations and guilt over something we had no hand in isn't going to get us where we need to go.

It's all just a giant shit show. Yanno, what SECOND specializes in

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, August 23, 2019 9:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I just wanted to point out the addition that I made to my previous post, in italics

Quote:
Again, is "Mexico" a race? No, it is not. MEXICO is a nation with a lot of problems including massive poverty, unemployment, corruption, and the takeover of large regions by drug barons. MEXICO, as nation, could have a potentially large interest in exporting its most dissatisfied people, because it acts as a pressure relief valve for problems which the MEXCIAN GOVERNMENT seems unable to fix. The statement is about MEXICO and the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT and its policies of (potentially) ecouraging migration to reduce its own internal costs.

Now, I'm going to go out on a limb, and suggest that Mexico's institutional failures at all levels of government, which have persisted - not for years or decades, but GENERATIONS - must have had a corrosive effect on Mexican society and Mexican people: the lack of confidence in the justice system, the acceptance of small forms of corruption, bribery and theft at every level*, the hopelessness that government can be meaningfully reformed and drug lords brought down, lack of confidence in meritocracy. So the impression that I get of illegal migrants is that they see the USA as a great opportunity to make a living, but don't see their responsibility in keeping the system working. As long as they pay their "bribe" to TPTB - as a source of cheap flexible labor - their breaking immigration laws should be overlooked.

* My boss used to go with his church group to Mexico to help build orphanages, but they learned to keep the goods meant for the children - clothes, toothpaste, things like that - locked up because otherwise the orphanage workers would steal them. I knew a couple who used to drive all the way thru Mexico south, but kept "spare" batteries in the trunk in order to be allowed to pass through various (legal and illegal) checkpoints along the route.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Friday, August 23, 2019 11:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems… They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

It really pisses me off when people have access to the full quote and then post HIGHLY selected and rearranged tidbits without posting a link to the entire quote.

Because the only reason to do that is to lie - and make getting caught on it difficult.

Here is the ENTIRE quote, with the link http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/ .

Quote:
"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."

Lying by Omission and Lying by Structure is what the MSM specializes in.

You'll almost always find the truth in any article though, since Lying by Structure is the easiest path since the truth is in the article but is after the article title and the first paragraph that nobody reads past.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 7:45 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Trump is a loose cannon. He reacts viscerally and unwisely to scenes that are heinous, which is why he had missiles fired on Syria when he saw pictures of dead kids, and why he banished dozens of Russian diplomats when shown (false btw) pictures of "poisoned children and dead ducks" in Salisbury, location of the Skripal poisonings. He hasn't apologized for that, either. Are those instances racist?

You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.

BTW, I know that there is STILL racism in the USA. There's even reverse racism. A lot of prejudice flowing in all directions. All that means is that we have not achieved equality and meritocracy, and constantly crying "racism! racism!" and demanding reparations and guilt over something we had no hand in isn't going to get us where we need to go.

Trump's racism and intolerance have always been in evidence; only slowly did he begin to understand how to use them to his advantage.

Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities. His statements have been reflected in his behavior—from public acts (placing ads calling for the execution of five young black and Latino men accused of rape, who were later shown to be innocent) to private preferences (“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker). Trump emerged as a political force owing to his full-throated embrace of “birtherism,” the false charge that the nation’s first black president, Barack Obama, was not born in the United States.

Instances of bigotry involving Donald Trump span more than four decades. The Atlantic interviewed a range of people with knowledge of several of those episodes.

More at www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067/

America’s always trying to find this gotcha moment that shows Donald Trump is racist — you know, let’s find this one big thing. Let’s look for that one time when he burned a cross in someone’s yard so we can now finally say it. People refuse to see the bread crumbs that are already in front of you, leading you to grandma’s house.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 12:24 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:

You keep trying to shoehorn everything as "racist". It's not.= SIGNY

Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans

Mexicans aren't a race

Quote:
Hispanics more broadly

not a race

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Muslims

Not a race

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, Jews

Not a race

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immigrants

Not a race

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, women

Not a race

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and people with disabilities

Not a race.

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:16 PM

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Ok, ok! Damn! Take it easy! I didn't realize it meant that much to you. Give me a little time to find the thread and I'll post it up pronto - read a magazine in the meantime.

Still waiting here, "captain".

Your alleged reply that was going to need 'a little time' and be 'pronto' is starting to look like your usual disappearing act when facts don't go your way.

But you can still give yourself an extension and say it'll take longer! Or you can redeem yourself and admit you don't have anything! Whichever is honest is good.

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world,

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 3:01 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race.

I don't think Signym read the National Geographic, which says: "There's No Scientific Basis for Race — It's a Made-Up Label"
www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-afri
ca/

I don't think Signym is referencing "Philosophers say there is no such thing as race. But there is racism."
https://theconversation.com/racism-is-real-race-is-not-a-philosophers-
perspective-82504

There are many stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe Signym would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?
Here are the stories about Trump's arsonism: www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
067/

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Saturday, August 24, 2019 5:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race
Not a race.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I don't think Signym read the National Geographic, which says: "There's No Scientific Basis for Race — It's a Made-Up Label"

That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.

Let's change it around:

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn
Not a unicorn.

is NOT the same as saying there are unicorns.

ETA: I'll even give you an example of how that could work.
I say there are no unicorns.
You say there are. You describe them to me a looking like a white horse with a twisted, linear horn coming out of its forehead. Then to prove to me they exist, you point to a hippo and say - unicorn!
And I say - not a unicorn.

IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR CLAIM, to say that a hippo is not a unicorn is not the same as saying there are unicorns.

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.
It was RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!!. Now it's all RACISM!! all the time!

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