' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.' by reaverfan

Beyond climate tipping points: Greenhouse gas levels exceed the stability threshold of the ice sheets
https://countercurrents.org/2019/06/beyond-climate-tipping-points-gree
nhouse-gas-levels-exceed-the-stability-threshold-of-the-ice-sheets

As the world keeps increasing its carbon emissions and exports, rising in 2018 to a record 33.1 billion tons per year, the atmospheric greenhouse gas level has now exceeded 560 ppm CO2–equivalent when methane and nitrous oxide are included, intersecting the stability threshold of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets.

The term “climate change“ is no longer appropriate since, what is happening in the atmosphere-ocean system, accelerating over the last 70 years or so, is an abrupt calamity on a geological dimension, threatening nature and human civilization. Ignoring what the science says, the powers to be are presiding over the sixth mass extinction of species, including humans.

As conveyed by leading scientists: “Climate change is now reaching the end-game, where very soon humanity must choose between taking unprecedented action, or accepting that it has been left too late and bear the consequences” Prof. Hans Joachim Schellnhuber.

“We’ve reached a point where we have a crisis, an emergency, but people don’t know that … There’s a big gap between what’s understood about global warming by the scientific community and what is known by the public and policymakers” Prof. James Hansen;

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Monday, June 24, 2019 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Denial?

Not true, Marcos.

I simply don't care in the slightest.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Why should you?

You have no conscience. You're the sociopath conservatism appeals to.

You lacked the ability to think independently, and you never will.

I don't care because there's absolutely nothing that I can do about it.

News flash, there's nothing you can either.

Feel free to drive yourself even more insane than you already have thinking about it 24/7 though. I find it hilarious to watch you go completely off the rails.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 24, 2019 11:18 AM

Off the rails?

I'm just here to inform.

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Monday, June 24, 2019 12:22 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I don't care because there's absolutely nothing that I can do about it.

News flash, there's nothing you can either.

Feel free to drive yourself even more insane than you already have thinking about it 24/7 though. I find it hilarious to watch you go completely off the rails.

6ix, follow Mike Pence's example and bitch about the price to reduce CO2 rather than claim "there's absolutely nothing that I can do about it." Then the conversation becomes about how poor you are instead of how ignorant you are. (Parenthetically, being stupid and being poor are statistically correlated.)

Interview: Vice President Mike Pence says Trump won’t make energy more expense to reduce CO2.

www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics/mike-pence-climate-crisis/index.html

TAPPER: I want to ask you a question about climate change. Do you believe, think human-induced climate emergency is a threat to the United States?

PENCE: Well, what I will tell you is that we will always follow the science on that in this administration. But what we won't do -- and the Clean Power Plan was all about that -- was hamstringing energy in this country, raising the cost of utility rates for working families across this country while other nations like China and India absolutely do nothing or make illusory promises decades down the road to deal with it.

You know, the truth of the matter is, with the advent of (cheap) natural gas, with the natural gas explosion that is developing with clean coal technology, we're seeing a significant reduction in carbon emissions all across this country.

TAPPER: But is what people are calling a climate emergency, is it a threat? Do you think it is a threat, man-made climate emergency is a threat?

PENCE: I think the answer is going to be based upon the science.

TAPPER: Well, the science says yes. I'm asking you what you think.

PENCE: I got it. Look, what the President has said, what we have said is that we're not going to raise utility rates. Remember what President Obama said?

TAPPER: It is not a threat?

PENCE: He said his climate change plan is necessarily going to cause utility rates to skyrocket, and that would force us into these green technologies.

Now you have got Democrats all running for president that are running on a Green New Deal that would break this economy.

TAPPER: OK. So you don't think it is a threat, is all I'm saying? You don't think it is a threat?

PENCE: I think we're making great progress reducing carbon emissions, America has the cleanest air and water in the world. We will continue to use market forces.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 24, 2019 12:37 PM

You never answered my question, dipshit.

How did you change the environment for the better by voting for Obama twice?

Did that vote for Hillary do anything to save the whales?

It doesn't matter that you have money, Second.

THERE'S NOT A GODDAMNED THING YOU'VE EVER DONE IN YOUR LIFE THAT HAS BENEFITED MOTHER NATURE.

Why don't you close up shop, kill the cows that are farting up our atmosphere, then swallow a huge bottle of pills and stop expelling all that CO2 yourself.

That would be your first and only positive contribution to the environment in your life.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 24, 2019 3:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Off the rails?

I'm just here to inform.

Sure. This is you NOT going off the rails and just informing ...

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Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:31 AM
Fuck off, Russian troll.

Sunday, February 24, 2019 12:58 PM
Spoken like a true Russian troll.

Monday, March 4, 2019 1:00 AM
I already beat you bloody on that point. Stop sealioning, Russian troll.

Thursday, June 13, 2019 9:40 PM
What does a Russian troll do when proven wrong? Sealioning, as seen here.

Monday, June 17, 2019 1:44 PM
Russian trolls need to be quick with the insults, and light on substance.

BTW, your last quote is HI-larious, considering you're the quickest with the insults.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 3:54 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Potentially historic and deadly early summer heat wave to roast Europe
Temperatures are expected to be 20 to 30 degrees above normal, with record highs in Austria, France, Germany and Switzerland in danger of being broken.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:44 AM

A reddit comment:

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There Is No Lifeboat8 hours ago
In light of the permafrost / subsea methane releases study last week, and the nitrous oxide releases study this week, how are we not totally 100% fucked?
Coping
As title asks. Excuse me for not linking the referenced papers, as I am on mobile and it is a tedious process in the web form.

How do we even put this back in the bottle? We are not yet seeing the warming impact of carbon releases from the 90's, let alone the 50% of total carbon emitted since the industrial revolution began, which was emitted beginning in roughly 1995. We have no practical and scalable way to sequester that carbon, and our emissions are increasing every year.

We have no way to halt the permafrost failures in the arctic. We cannot sequester that methane, nor the nitrous oxide. Both of these emissions are going to continue to accelerate for decades, until a sudden clathrate gun event, thanks to their own compounding warming effect and that of the carbon which we cannot sequester. How do we put megatonnes of methane back under a polar ice cap which no longer exists?

Short of an actual, literal, fucking magical event, we are already dead. Even if we could flip off all emissions tomorrow, globally, we've already triggered a feedback scenario sufficient to kill us - likely within the lifetime of anyone under 40. Definitely, since our own emissions are unlikely to ever cease.

Like, this isn't even the slow burn mad max scenario people like to fantasize about. This is everything gets progressively shittier globally for a decade or two, and then we all just die at once when the arctic coughs up a lung.

Fuck.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:12 AM

Cool

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 10:26 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:41 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?

When all else fails, there is the Space Sunshade.

Creating this sunshade in space was estimated to cost in excess of US$130 billion over 20 years with an estimated lifetime of 50-100 years. The mass of the Space Sunshade will total of almost 20 million tonnes and blocks 2% of the sunlight, deflecting it off into space, enough to halt global warming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_sunshade

The real cost will probably be $13 to 130 trillion, instead of $130 billion, for a 20 year project. But whatever the cost, then we get into an argument about who will pay for it. Not Jack. I could see coming to a war between America and China about who pays how much and who is in charge of the Sunshade.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?

Why does everybody keep assuming my attitude regarding this is because I'm rejecting any data?

Maybe I really do mean "cool".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 11:54 AM

Um. No. I'm not going to pay for your 13 Trillion dollar sun shade. I cleared $13k last year after taxes. $11k if you include property taxes.

Even if you taxed my net pay 100%, I would only account for 0.000000001% of your sunshade debt.

Good luck finding investors though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:04 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Um. No. I'm not going to pay for your 13 Trillion dollar sun shade. I cleared $13k last year after taxes. $11k if you include property taxes.

Even if you taxed my net pay 100%, I would only account for 0.000000001% of your sunshade debt.

Good luck finding investors though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It's not really investing so much as it is a global protection racket. If you don't pay, America (or China, depending on which actually builds and controls it) adjusts the Space Sunshade to either burn down your country in summer or freeze it in winter. If your country pays, you get mild and pleasant weather. If your country doesn't pay, too bad for you and your country -- here comes the tornadoes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:35 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why does everybody keep assuming my attitude regarding this is because I'm rejecting any data?

Maybe I really do mean "cool".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Then you're down with the destruction of the planet, along with of course, your place in it, probably during your life time?

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:12 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why does everybody keep assuming my attitude regarding this is because I'm rejecting any data?

Maybe I really do mean "cool".

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Then you're down with the destruction of the planet, along with of course, your place in it, probably during your life time?

Well... I kind of have to be, if that's really what's happening here.

It would certainly take all of the worries off of my plate, and make them all seem rather microscopic at the same time. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even need to ever get dentures if it happens as soon as 5 years from now.

I don't worry about things I have no control over. What you're discussing in this thread is something that none of us have any control over, beyond recycling. No, who you vote for doesn't amount to squat.

If the rich and powerful are going to destroy mankind and most of the wildlife along with us. Shame on them. If the damage is already so bad that there's no reversing it, then why even bother talking about it?

I recycle. My conscience is clean.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:21 PM

If I had to boil down my stance on the environment to only two words, they would be existential nihilism.

And I mean that on a species-wide level. Not just me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm not sure I buy 10 years - or 5, or 50. But when the arctic heats up to 40F above normal, and Europe is predicted to have a(nother) record-breaking heat wave, it indicates something big is going on.

I'm curious why you reject all the data Jack. Is it because not being 'A Man Completely in Charge of Your Own Destiny' ™ threatens your sobriety?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why does everybody keep assuming my attitude regarding this is because I'm rejecting any data?

Maybe I really do mean "cool".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Then you're down with the destruction of the planet, along with of course, your place in it, probably during your life time?

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well... I kind of have to be, if that's really what's happening here.

It would certainly take all of the worries off of my plate, and make them all seem rather microscopic at the same time. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't even need to ever get dentures if it happens as soon as 5 years from now.

I don't worry about things I have no control over. What you're discussing in this thread is something that none of us have any control over, beyond recycling. No, who you vote for doesn't amount to squat.

If the rich and powerful are going to destroy mankind and most of the wildlife along with us. Shame on them. If the damage is already so bad that there's no reversing it, then why even bother talking about it?

I recycle. My conscience is clean.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I understand accepting the things you have no control over. But I personally am not ready to give up the fight, even though I live in a deep, deep blue state focused on being anti-Trump and ignoring the pressing issues. So I'll continue to vote my conscience and not my tribe.

That said, if one really accepts the end of the world is nigh, one might wish to give consideration to how much you're willing to live through, and what exit plan you'll create. If the answers are 'everything', and 'it will have to carry me off through circumstance', well, at least you know.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
If I had to boil down my stance on the environment to only two words, they would be existential nihilism.

And I mean that on a species-wide level. Not just me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I guess them's the answers then!

I appreciate the conversation.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:51 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I understand accepting the things you have no control over. But I personally am not ready to give up the fight, even though I live in a deep, deep blue state focused on being anti-Trump and ignoring the pressing issues. So I'll continue to vote my conscience and not my tribe.

Aside from recycling and doing your best to conserve energy, that's all one really can do. I don't think that there is an ounce of difference in the long run between the parties, but I also know that I'm not right about everything either, which is why despite my misgivings I still vote as well.

I think one of the differences between us with this is our ages. I can't afford to be a single issue voter, even if it is something as important as this. The Democrat party if 2019 is actively against my very existence, demographically speaking. The way that some of them talk down to me on a regular basis for not actively voting against my own interests and virtue signalling loud and proud to the world that I am doing so is really all the proof anyone needs of that.

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That said, if one really accepts the end of the world is nigh, one might wish to give consideration to how much you're willing to live through, and what exit plan you'll create. If the answers are 'everything', and 'it will have to carry me off through circumstance', well, at least you know.

I accept that there is a problem. I don't know if I believe that it truly is the end of the world though... Either now or in the long term. But if it is, there isn't anything I can do about it. I accept both that I cannot do anything about it and that it will happen if that is the case.

Second likes to say "You voted for Trump. You're part of the problem". Second also likes to talk out of the other side of his head and whine about the electoral college too. My vote for President didn't matter by a magnitude of hundreds of thousands of votes in my state.

As for an "exit plan", well, as depressing a topic as that is, there's always options for that. I'd imagine it would have to be extremely bad for me to really put any thought into any of them though. Living with the physical, psychological and social consequences of my poor choices in life and trying to claw my way out of them has not been a picnic by any stretch. I'm not going to bitch about how hard and uncomfortable my day to day life is since I'm squarely to blame for all of it. I'm just pointing out the fact that in many ways I'm probably more ready for the worst than most people you know are... at least in the States.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
If I had to boil down my stance on the environment to only two words, they would be existential nihilism.

And I mean that on a species-wide level. Not just me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I guess them's the answers then!

I appreciate the conversation.

No worries.

I should probably make it clear that I'm not a nihilist to be a defeatist or to be depressing. The opposite couldn't be more true. This is my take on these particular issues because I don't know if I could function with all of the other crap I have to deal with from day to day if I obsessed over things like this that I don't have any control over.

And in the end, if these are our last days, I can't say that we're going to be missed, and nobody should shed a tear for us.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

My age definitely colors my perspective!

Also, when I was roughly 18 - 23 I was an EKG technician on the weekends and covered all the 'codes'. I calculated it out, and if I didn't see 250 or more people die, it was close to it. That has brought death into vivid reality and actual consideration.

Even if you're resigned, your body is not. It fights for one more breath, one more heartbeat. You're a helpless passenger along for the gruesome ride, all the way to the end. So I have yet to see a calm, peaceful death, without severe physical and mental anguish as basic body systems fail. As someone I know once remarked 'we treat our pets better'.

On reflection, I would rather spare myself that.

But then, on the flip side, most people have an inextinguishable desire for one more day, hour, or instant.

So while I think it's good to make concrete, specific plans for a peaceful exit, at the end, you never know if you're going to carry them out.

Well, those are some thoughts I've gleaned over my many decades.

And now, I'll move with the conversation on to more enjoyable things.

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Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:41 AM

The Human Race's Cause of Death Will Be Greed and Stupidity
Trump's Department of Agriculture buries climate-change studies because if you don't talk about it, it's not happening.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a28173165/president-tru
mp-agriculture-department-bury-climate-change-studies/

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Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:16 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just, yanno, a reminder that REAVERBOT forget to answer this question ... (as usual)

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REAVERBOT, it's not just the pesticide industry's profits that are being protected, it's farmers' (including corporate farms). Unless you've farmed - or at least gardened intensively- you wouldn't know that growing produce is a never-ending fight against pests of all kinds ... weeds, bugs, fungus, bacteria and viruses.

Our steady adavance towards Armageddon is propelled by profit. Money from those profits hold politicians hostage, that means most Democrats and most Republicans ... and btw most politicians around the world.

And you can't get people to engage in the problem because they're entranced by profit-motivated media.

Suggestions???

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So ... suggestions? Do you have a proposed solution for this madness, besides endlessly being a troll on a tiny part of the internet (Which btw isn't a solution for anything.) ?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Thursday, June 27, 2019 10:11 AM

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Friday, June 28, 2019 8:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What are you going to do about it?

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
tic tac

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Friday, June 28, 2019 11:46 PM

Marcos isn't going to do shit about it but cry.

The only two things he's programmed to do is call people names and light trashcans on fire, and neither of those actions are going to save the planet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Marcos isn't going to do shit about it but cry.

The only two things he's programmed to do is call people names and light trashcans on fire, and neither of those actions are going to save the planet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trumptards live in a cartoon world.

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Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:11 AM

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Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:18 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Marcos isn't going to do shit about it but cry.

The only two things he's programmed to do is call people names and light trashcans on fire, and neither of those actions are going to save the planet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trumptards live in a cartoon world.

Sure man. Whatever.

So what are you doing to save the world?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, July 5, 2019 4:49 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

A math equation that predicts the end of humanity

How much longer till we all die off? 760 years, give or take.

www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/28/18760585/doomsday-argument-calcula
tion-prediction-j-richard-gott

Technological optimists say we have a long, populous future ahead (and we’re still early in that glorious destiny). It’s an attractive thought. We would, of course, have to surmount all extinction threats — right up to the moment of doomsday.

The doomsday argument pulls back the curtain on technocratic optimism. It forces us to contemplate the possibility that the universe is more random than we like to think. The fact that our species is capable of a long future does not mean this is probable. It may be something that has to be earned by being smarter, wiser, more careful — and luckier — than we’ve ever had to be before.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 5, 2019 5:28 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis

Research shows a half trillion trees could be planted to capture huge amount of carbon dioxide.

Planting billions of trees across the world is by far the biggest and cheapest way to tackle the climate crisis, according to scientists, who have made the first calculation of how many more trees could be planted without encroaching on crop land or urban areas.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/04/planting-billions-trees-be
st-tackle-climate-crisis-scientists-canopy-emissions

Trees, alone, will not save us from Climate Change

We have emitted about 450 gigatonnes of carbon since the start of the Industrial Revolution. A new paper is getting a lot of attention for its claim that the earth has about 2 billion acres of land that are currently unused and could support the planting of 500 billion trees. Once the trees were grown, they’d capture about 205 gigatonnes of carbon. That sounds great, but let’s give it some context: At our current rate, we’ll add another 205 gigatonnes in less than 20 years. Unless we do something about actual emissions, we will have added at least 500 gigatonnes of additional carbon in 50 years, bringing us to total emissions of about a 1,000 gigatonnes of carbon. The trees would make only a small difference.

By all means, we should take this seriously and plant lots of trees. But don’t fool yourself into thinking this is any kind of free ticket.

More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/07/trees-will-not-save-us-from-cli
mate-change/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, July 19, 2019 12:24 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I was reminded of this song lately: In the year 2525

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Friday, July 19, 2019 12:32 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I'm going to put this is the "platform" thread, but here's my recommendation on how to tackle climate change:

Carbon tax, carbon tax, carbon tax.
Environmental restoration, including north-south corridors, forest managment to reduce fires (eg mile-wide firebreaks of thinned/burned forest land), planting more trees even in urban areas, marshland and intertidal restoration (to slow storm surges)
Carbon-capturing farming practices
Green energy production
Home and commercial building retrofitting for energy-conservation
Grid upgrade for robustness and efficiency
Cutting the military budget by at least 50% and ending our foreign interventions

Did I mention a carbon tax? It's the most automatic and even-handed way to reduce use of fossil fuels.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:22 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/beijing-smog-reaches-peak-levels-st
ifling-city-n471371?cid=par-weather-right%20module

Just another reminder of what the shit everybody buys that they don't need is doing to the environment.

The one upside of shipping all of the jobs overseas is that we don't have to see this type of shit anymore while we buy a new cell phone every year or two, and drink bottled water all day long instead of getting it out of the tap.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, July 25, 2019 6:56 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Do you remember the good old days when we had "12 years to save the planet"?

Now it seems, there's a growing consensus that the next 18 months will be critical in dealing with the global heating crisis, among other environmental challenges. The climate math is brutally clear: While the world can't be healed within the next few years, it may be fatally wounded by negligence until 2020.

www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48964736

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:57 AM

Of course it's 18 months. The rest of Trump's presidency, pretty much.

And when he gets re-elected. We'll have another 4 years until the end of the world.

Then a Democrat will be elected and everything will be fine again.

All the while, nothing at all will have changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, August 17, 2019 1:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/alaska-salmon-hot-water-trnd/ind
ex.html

The water is so hot in Alaska it's killing large numbers of salmon

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Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/8/eaax1157

White and wonderful? Microplastics prevail in snow from the Alps to the Arctic

Abstract

Microplastics (MPs) are ubiquitous, and considerable quantities prevail even in the Arctic; however, there are large knowledge gaps regarding pathways to the North. To assess whether atmospheric transport plays a role, we analyzed snow samples from ice floes in Fram Strait. For comparison, we investigated snow samples from remote (Swiss Alps) and populated (Bremen, Bavaria) European sites. MPs were identified by Fourier transform infrared imaging in 20 of 21 samples. The MP concentration of Arctic snow was significantly lower (0 to 14.4 × 103 N liter-1) than European snow (0.19 × 103 to 154 × 103 N liter-1) but still substantial. Polymer composition varied strongly, but varnish, rubber, polyethylene, and polyamide dominated overall. Most particles were in the smallest size range indicating large numbers of particles below the detection limit of 11 µm. Our data highlight that atmospheric transport and deposition can be notable pathways for MPs meriting more research.

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 2:32 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

How did you change the environment for the better by voting for Obama twice?

Obama may have done a little too much...
https://www.atr.org/nearly-4000-epa-regulations-issued-under-president
-obama

But Chump is fiddling while Rome burns.

What is Trump's view of the EPA?
During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump decried the EPA as a job-killing bureaucracy that had needlessly hamstrung the American economy with costly regulations. He vowed to "get rid of it in almost every form," leaving just "little tidbits" of environmental regulation. This view was welcomed by many hard-line conservatives and, of course, by industry. "The American people are drowning in rules and regulation promulgated by unelected bureaucrats," said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), who was one of the four Republican congressmen who sponsored a 2017 bill that would have abolished the EPA. "And the Environmental Protection Agency has become an extraordinary offender." Since his inauguration, Trump has stacked the EPA's senior leadership with officials openly hostile to the agency's original mission. His first EPA administrator, Scott Pruitt, had sued the EPA 14 times as Oklahoma's attorney general in behalf of the state's oil industry. The second, Andrew Wheeler, is a former energy industry lobbyist and lawyer. The EPA's senior deputy general counsel worked at American Petroleum Institute.

What has this new EPA done?
So far, it has abolished a total of 47 environmental regulations — and is in the process of rolling back 31 more, according to a New York Times analysis. A separate analysis, by Harvard Law School, found that such rollbacks could lead to at least 80,000 additional deaths per decade and cause respiratory problems for more than a million people.

So, yeah, voting for Obama was a better thing FOR EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.

Seems to me your ecology policy is just like your education policy "DON'T KNOW, DON'T CARE"

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:37 AM

Whatever you say, Nilbog.

Keep drinking that bottled water, buying made in China shit you don't need and using that car air conditioning while virtue signalling about the 5 minutes it took you to vote twice.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:58 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Koch Brothers’ Crucial Role in Climate-Change Denial

“Kochland” is deeply and authoritatively reported. It marshals a huge amount of information and uses it to help solve two enduring mysteries: how the Kochs got so rich, and how they used that fortune to buy off American action on climate change.

The two brothers from Wichita, Kansas built up Koch Industries, a privately owned business so profitable that together they have amassed some hundred and twenty billion dollars, a fortune larger than that of Amazon’s C.E.O., Jeff Bezos, or the Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

With the help of allies such as Vice-President Mike Pence, the politics that the Kochs stoked in 2010 became the policies that Trump enacted in 2017. Whether announcing his intention to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, placing shills from the oil and coal industries at the head of federal energy and environmental departments, or slashing taxes on corporations and the ultra-wealthy, Trump has delivered for the Kochs.

“Kochland” is important, Davies said, because it makes it clear that “you’d have a carbon tax, or something better, today, if not for the Kochs. They stopped anything from happening back when there was still time.” The book also documents how, in 2010, the company’s lobbyists spent gobs of cash and swarmed Congress as part of a multi-pronged effort to kill the first, and so far the last, serious effort to place a price on carbon pollution—the proposed “cap and trade” bill. Magnifying the Kochs’ power was their network of allied donors, anonymously funded shell groups, think tanks, academic centers, and nonprofit advocacy groups, which Koch insiders referred to as their “echo chamber.”

Others have chronicled the cap-and-trade fight well, but Leonard penetrates the inner sanctum of the Kochs’ lobbying machine, showing that, from the start, even when other parts of the company could have benefited from an embrace of alternative energy, Koch Industries regarded any compromise that might reduce fossil-fuel consumption as unacceptable. Protecting its fossil-fuel profits was, and remains, the company’s top political priority. Leonard shows that the Kochs, to achieve this end, worked to hijack the Tea Party movement and, eventually, the Republican Party itself.

Leonard quotes Philip Ellender, Koch Industries’ top lobbyist, as claiming, in 2014, that the Earth had gotten cooler in the previous eighteen years. In fact, according to NASA, eighteen of the nineteen hottest years on record have occurred in the past two decades. Yet the Koch machine bought its way into Congress and turned climate-change denial into an unchallengeable Republican talking point. Meanwhile, after the cap-and-trade bill died, the planet continued heating, and the Kochs’ net worth doubled.

More at www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/kochland-examines-how-the-koch-br
others-made-their-fortune-and-the-influence-it-bought

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 9:04 AM

"Kochland"

I bet that doesn't make it past the YouTube censors.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:55 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
"Kochland"

I bet that doesn't make it past the YouTube censors.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You didn't lose much money since you bet $0.00:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:26 PM

Well it was just because I hear so many people prounce Koch as "cock".

Cockland sounds like a gay theme park loosely related to Wishy's Cumberworld.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 19, 2019 6:48 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Even Fox News is getting on the bandwagon for the end of the world, but rather than GNP going to zero because we are all dead, it is only being cut by 10%:

Climate change will shrink 'virtually all' economies around the globe by 2100, study warns

The study, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, suggests that countries that are warm, cold, rich or poor will all see a significant loss of income if they do not abide by the 2015 Paris Agreement.

"Using a panel data set of 174 countries over the years 1960 to 2014, we find that per-capita real output growth is adversely affected by persistent changes in the temperature above or below its historical norm, but we do not obtain any statistically significant effects for changes in precipitation," the study's abstract states. "Our counterfactual analysis suggests that a persistent increase in average global temperature by 0.04°C per year, in the absence of mitigation policies, reduces world real GDP per capita by 7.22 percent by 2100."

The impact on the U.S. — which accounted for much of the research's focus to compare economic activity in hot or wet areas — would be even greater, a loss of 10.5 percent of its GDP by 2100, according to the researchers.

www.foxnews.com/science/climate-change-shrink-economies-globe-2100

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 19, 2019 8:09 PM

Oh, imagine that...

Multinational owned FOX news getting on board with multinational owned CNN and multinational owned MSNBC to terrorize the proles.

Zippy do da.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 19, 2019 11:18 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Keep drinking that bottled water, buying made in China shit you don't need and using that car air conditioning while virtue signalling about the 5 minutes it took you to vote twice.

Car air conditioning???? I'm guessing yours doesn't work in that '90's beater of yours? Getting a lovely case of swamp ass this summer??

The ironic thing here is, in BOTH of our Chevys the cat converters are tied into the function of the A/C and we just spent $2500 to replace them. Both of our vehicles running are prolly cleaner than the shit you drive.

In case you don't have a clue what a Cat does, it basically is designed to clean up all of the carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrocarbons that are emitted into the atmosphere during combustion. I never just take it for granted you know...ANYTHING, tho.

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

On August 11, 2019 Signym asked "What have Nazis DONE TO ANYONE?" That question wins first place for the Dumbest Question Ever Asked On The Internet.

Since 6ixstringjack, Signym, and Jewelstaitefan insist on calling me names in every post, I will save time by letting any visitors know they are incompetent, fascist, and brain dead by autoposting this. Ye have been warned.

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 12:29 AM

What's a matter Wishy?

4 syllable words too tough for you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 20, 2019 7:37 AM