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I suggest that you choose your words more carefully in the future.

Particularly when it comes to things like this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The question for Mueller has always been whether Russia interfered in an election (it did), whether Trump benefited (he did), and whether he tried to stymie the investigation into this concern (he did). All of that was laid bare on Wednesday for anyone who was listening. Trump campaign members were exchanging polling data with Russian intelligence operatives and hosting meetings at Trump Tower in order to obtain “dirt” on Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Trump was lying about all the Russia contacts before he was even caught lying about it.

Mueller was originally charged with investigating Russian efforts to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. Only later was he tasked with figuring out whether the president had obstructed justice by impeding that investigation. The whole point of this sad affair — lost entirely on a Law & Order nation intent on seeing either Trump in handcuffs or exonerated — was that Russia hacked an election, that it is right now hacking the next election, and that this is a threat to national security and representative democracy. On this one point, Mueller was emphatic: “They’re doing it as we sit here, and they expect to do it in the next campaign.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The question for Mueller has always been whether Russia interfered in an election- SECOND
No evidence. -SIGNY
Tons of evidence, so much evidence the evidence has evidence.- CC

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whether Trump benefited - SECOND
No - SIGNY
He so totally benefitted. He won after all. My gawd he owes Russia biggly!- CC

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and whether he tried to stymie the investigation into this concern - SECOND
Nope. But, yanno, keep convincing yourself.- SIGNY
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Anyone in this thread ( or the USA, for that matter ) who offers a micron of credibility to Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler truly is a witless fool and a useful idiot.

Mueller showed the world this is undeniably a scam investigation and that the REAL criminals are now being sought after via the I.G.

Clinton committed perjury as a sitting President. He was stripped of his law license.

Trump literally did nothing wrong or criminal, at all.

Only 5 1/2 more years y'all.

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Why did he lie about wanting to build a tower in Moscow? Just curious.

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Mueller made it clear that his largest concern is with Russia’s extraordinary effort to disrupt U.S. democratic processes. As he put it, “The Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.”

On one of the rare occasions when he went beyond his role as a lawyer, he said this:

"Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. And as I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American."

In his report and testimony, Mueller depicts the Trump campaign not as conspiring or coordinating with Russia, but as enthusiastically welcoming its efforts.

Republicans in the Senate have twice in 24 hours blocked the advancement of bills aimed at strengthening election security just hours after former special counsel Robert Mueller warned of the continued threat that foreign powers interfering in US election

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Mueller made it clear that his largest concern is with Russia’s extraordinary effort to disrupt U.S. democratic processes. As he put it, “The Russian government interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion.”

On one of the rare occasions when he went beyond his role as a lawyer, he said this:

"Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government’s effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious. And as I said on May 29, this deserves the attention of every American."

In his report and testimony, Mueller depicts the Trump campaign not as conspiring or coordinating with Russia, but as enthusiastically welcoming its efforts.

Republicans in the Senate have twice in 24 hours blocked the advancement of bills aimed at strengthening election security just hours after former special counsel Robert Mueller warned of the continued threat that foreign powers interfering in US election

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The question for Mueller has always been whether Russia interfered in an election- SECOND
No evidence. -SIGNY
Tons of evidence, so much evidence the evidence has evidence.- CC

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whether Trump benefited - SECOND
No - SIGNY
He so totally benefitted. He won after all. My gawd he owes Russia biggly!- CC

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If there was no "help" then there was no "benefit". Show me where the Russian "helped" Trump. BE SPECIFIC. quotes and links please

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and whether he tried to stymie the investigation into this concern - SECOND
Nope. But, yanno, keep convincing yourself.- SIGNY
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BE SPECIFIC. what did Trump do? When did he do it? Quotes and links please

You're so used to handwaving and thinking in generalties that you've forgotten there is a REAL real world out there. I want to see actual helpful quotes from this troll farm that occurred BEFORE the election (not afterwards), evidence of their impact (yanno, like in hundreds of thousands of votes), evidence that this so-called troll farm was getting its orders from the Kremlin (and wasn't just a marketing click-bait operation), real evidence that "Russia" gave Assange the DNC emails, not the say-so of some DNC-hired contractor, etc. Something solid, not the vapor that you usually spew. Draw those dots, makes those links. Make the best case that you can. Do some real internet resarch for a change, and not just passing the same gas that Rachel Madcow passed every day for years. Go! Fetch!

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Brutal. In so many ways.

Russia 1, US 0

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The question for Mueller has always been whether Russia interfered in an election- SECOND
No evidence. -SIGNY
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whether Trump benefited - SECOND
No - SIGNY
He so totally benefitted. He won after all. My gawd he owes Russia biggly!- CC

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and whether he tried to stymie the investigation into this concern - SECOND
Nope. But, yanno, keep convincing yourself.- SIGNY
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BE SPECIFIC. what did Trump do? When did he do it? Quotes and links please

You're so used to handwaving and thinking in generalties that you've forgotten there is a REAL real world out there. I want to see actual helpful quotes from this troll farm that occurred BEFORE the election (not afterwards), evidence of their impact (yanno, like in hundreds of thousands of votes), evidence that this so-called troll farm was getting its orders from the Kremlin (and wasn't just a marketing click-bait operation), real evidence that "Russia" gave Assange the DNC emails, not the say-so of some DNC-hired contractor, etc. Something solid, not the vapor that you usually spew. Draw those dots, makes those links. Make the best case that you can. Do some real internet resarch for a change, and not just passing the same gas that Rachel Madcow passed every day for years. Go! Fetch!

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You don't even know when you're being mocked. Here's your response to second's well reasoned, linked post was:

"No, No, Nope" and now we can add "bullshit." Prove you're right - quotes, links, cites, fetch!

Instead, no links, no cites, not even a weakly argued point of view or broken logic as we've come to expect.
Remember, for you to be believed, you are asking us to believe that you think, "Russia would never try to hack our country" is true.

Maybe you're not a Russian Troll? Maybe you're just a Russian Clown?

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Why did he lie about wanting to build a tower in Moscow? Just curious.

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I want to know if you are honestly stupid enough to believe that Sigs and Kiki are Russian, or if you're just a dick.

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I want to know if you are honestly stupid enough to believe that Sigs and Kiki are Russian, or if you're just a dick.

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You are definitely mostly just a dick lately, no question on that. I chalk it up to your current situation - such is life.

Stupid? Are you stupid enough to think anyone here REALLY thinks those 2 are actual Russian agents? I've also spoken on that same question before, but you don't read or don't remember or are just being a dick again.
No question they are definitely trolls with a POV that aligns very closely to what an actual RT (ha!) would have. You make the call.

Here's a question for you that you will probably not answer: are you stupid enough to think Russia wouldn't try and hack our election again? Or our infrastructure, power plants etc.? I think most Trump fan wanks would answer like AU did, "Don't care," which is truly amazing. Head meet sand.

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The question for Mueller has always been whether Russia interfered in an election- SECOND
No evidence. -SIGNY
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whether Trump benefited - SECOND
No - SIGNY
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Nope. But, yanno, keep convincing yourself.- SIGNY
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BE SPECIFIC. what did Trump do? When did he do it? Quotes and links please

You're so used to handwaving and thinking in generalties that you've forgotten there is a REAL real world out there. I want to see actual helpful quotes from this troll farm that occurred BEFORE the election (not afterwards), evidence of their impact (yanno, like in hundreds of thousands of votes), evidence that this so-called troll farm was getting its orders from the Kremlin (and wasn't just a marketing click-bait operation), real evidence that "Russia" gave Assange the DNC emails, not the say-so of some DNC-hired contractor, etc. Something solid, not the vapor that you usually spew. Draw those dots, makes those links. Make the best case that you can. Do some real internet resarch for a change, and not just passing the same gas that Rachel Madcow passed every day for years. Go! Fetch!

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You don't even know when you're being mocked. Here's your response to second's well reasoned, linked post was:

"No, No, Nope" and now we can add "bullshit." Prove you're right - quotes, links, cites, fetch!

Instead, no links, no cites, not even a weakly argued point of view or broken logic as we've come to expect.
Remember, for you to be believed, you are asking us to believe that you think, "Russia would never try to hack our country" is true.

Maybe you're not a Russian Troll? Maybe you're just a Russian Clown?

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4) There is an organization called the "Internet Research Agency" which was credited with "helping" Trump through social media. However, most of their content is ambiguous, equivocal, not related to either Trump OR Hillary, and much of it was posted AFTER the election.

5) This IRA troll-farm was claimed by Mueller to be directly linked to the Kremlin. However, there is NO evidence to back that up; the evidence is SO paltry that the presiding judge in the case forbade Mueller by court order from even insinuating that there was ANY connection to Putin. Eventually this will be decided in court. Are you going to claim that the presiding judge is a Russian troll too?

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6) Russia supposedly had access to various election databases and in some instances could have altered the data, BUT DIDN'T.

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I'm not going to argue this with idiots anymore.

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Oh btw ... you belatedly admitting that you don't believe that I'm a Russian puts you even MORE firmly on the hook for defamation. Because if you KNEW I wasn't a paid Russian troll, which you have certainly called me often enough, then not only does that mean you called me something which was untrue, you called me something which YOU KNEW to be untrue, which is malicious. Okay, I do know you're a troll - fer shur.

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1) The DNC/Podesta emails were "hacked" by "Russia". This was reported by Crowdstrike, a DNC-paid anti-Russian organization with NO independent examination of the servers by the FBI. There were numerous files, terrabytes of data, and yet the NSA didn't manage to capture a single packet of that data moving online overseas.

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https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says-democratic-party-wouldnt-let-ag
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FBI Says the Democratic Party Wouldn't Let Agents See the Hacked Email Servers
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alimwatkins/the-fbi-never-asked-f
or-access-to-hacked-computer-servers#.su1OoNAqJx
The FBI Never Asked For Access To Hacked Computer Servers
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dn
c.html
The D.N.C. immediately hired CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm, to scan its computers, identify the intruders and build a new computer and telephone system from scratch. Within a day, CrowdStrike confirmed that the intrusion had originated in Russia, Mr. Sussmann said.
The D.N.C. executives and their lawyer had their first formal meeting with senior F.B.I. officials in mid-June ... Among the early requests at that meeting, according to participants: that the federal government make a quick “attribution” formally blaming actors with ties to Russian government for the attack ... (NOTE: THE DNC REQUESTED THAT THE FBI MAKE A QUICK ATTRIBUTION TO RUSSIA, despite the fact that the FBI never examined the servers directly, but instead relied on the Crowdstrike report for all their information.)

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2) A person named Guccifer2.0 claimed to have the files, and some Russian_based formatting marks were found in his files.

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What a bore. Skipping 1-3 because it's pure deflection.

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Marcos, Second and Wishy have gone off the deep end and have become hard supporters of censorship, violence, murder and hate.

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And he keeps chipping off the few good parts that remain. I hope that fugger has heart attack and dies on the golf course after shooting his worst round of golf. If I believed in god I'd pray for that every day.

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You keep not answering my simple questions. I'll narrow it to one to make it easy:

Do you really think Putin didn't and isn't going to f*ck with our elections? You try and present yourself as someone who knows a thing or 2 about computers but you seem incredibly, ridiculously, unbelievably naive about this stuff.

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Second in particular has called for an assassination of Trump. Then this morning he told me that I should murder my old boss and steal everything he owns. This is at least the 6th time he's called for Trump's assassination, and even T is on the record here denouncing Seconds words. This is also the second time that he has told me that I should murder my old boss.

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Ok, that is a tad harsh. Thankfully I know you're just busting his chops in the typical man-to-man RWED way. Least you could do is add a wink emoji!

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Guys like Ratcliffe, 6ix, and Trump need their asses beaten for what they are and how they live their lives.

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4) There is an organization called the "Internet Research Agency" which was credited with "helping" Trump through social media. However, most of their content is ambiguous, equivocal, not related to either Trump OR Hillary, and much of it was posted AFTER the election.

5) This IRA troll-farm was claimed by Mueller to be directly linked to the Kremlin. However, there is NO evidence to back that up; the evidence is SO paltry that the presiding judge in the case forbade Mueller by court order from even insinuating that there was ANY connection to Putin. Eventually this will be decided in court. Are you going to claim that the presiding judge is a Russian troll too?- SIGNY

cites, links, quotes, fetch!

Aww, did you not read the indictment? The one that says, "starting as early as 2014..." Go! Find it!

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6) Russia supposedly had access to various election databases and in some instances could have altered the data, BUT DIDN'T.- SIGNY

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Just how dead is the RussiaGate story — and how brain-dead are the House Democratic Committee chairmen, Nadler (Judiciary Committee) and Schiff (Intelligence Committee) to haul RussiaGate’s front-man, Robert Mueller back into the spotlight where the next thing to roll over and die will be Mr. Mueller’s evanescent reputation? The entrapment operation that was the Special Counsel’s covert mission has turned out to be Mr. Mueller own personal booby-trap, prompting the question: is it possible that he’s just not very bright?

Though Mr. Mueller’s final report asserted that the Russian government interfered in “a sweeping and systemic fashion” to influence the 2016 election, the 450-page great tome contains zero evidence to support that claim, and the discrepancy was actually noticed by federal judge Dabney Friedrich who is presiding over the case against the alleged Russian Facebook trolls that was one of the two tent-poles in the RussiaGate fantasy. The case is now blowing up in Robert Mueller’s face.

In early 2018, Mr. Mueller sold a DC grand jury on producing indictments against a Russian outfit called the Internet Research Agency and its parent company Concord Management, owned by Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin for the so-called election meddling. The indictment was celebrated as a huge coup at the time by the likes of CNN and The New York Times, styled as a silver bullet in the heart of the Trump presidency. But the indicted parties were all in Russia, and could not be extradited, and there was zero expectation that any actual trial would ever take place — leaving Mueller & Co. off-the-hook for proving their allegations.

To the great surprise of Mr. Mueller and his “team,” Mr. Prigozhin hired some American lawyers to defend his company in court. Smooth move. It automatically triggered the discovery process, by which the accused is entitled to see the evidence that prosecutors hold. It turned out that Mr. Mueller’s team had no evidence that the Russian government was involved with the Facebook pranks. This annoyed Judge Friedrich, who ordered Mr. Mueller and his lawyers to desist making public statements about Concord and IRA’s alleged “sweeping and systemic” collusion with Russia, and threatened legal sanctions if they did.

Judge Friedrich’s rulings were unsealed in early July, after Messers Nadler and Schiff had already scheduled Mr. Mueller’s testimony before their committees. And now they’re stuck with him. The only purpose of his appearance was to repeat and reinforce the narrative that the Russian government interfered in the election, which he is now forbidden to do, at least in connection to the Concord and IRA’s activities. But the other tentpole of the two-year-plus inquisition has also collapsed: the allegation that Russian intel hacked the DNC servers. It’s now a matter of public record that the DNC servers were never examined by federal officials. They were purportedly scrutinized by a DNC contractor called CrowdStrike, co-founded by Russian Dimitri Alperovitch, an adversary of Vladimir Putin, active in US-based anti-Putin lobbying and PR. CrowdStrike’s “draft” report on their review of the server was laughably incomplete, and the Mueller team’s lawyers took no steps to validate it.

It would be interesting to hear Robert Mueller’s explanation for how come US computer forensic experts were never dispatched to take possession of the DNC servers. Surely a ranking member on either House committee would have to ask him that, along with many other embarrassing questions about the stupendously sloppy and disingenuous work of the Special Counsel’s team. It was only one glaring omission among many.

The whole affair now takes on tragic contours of Shakespearean dimensions. The Attorney General, Mr. Barr, is said to be an “old friend” of Mr. Mueller. They clashed pretty publicly after the release of Mr. Mueller’s long-awaited final report. Mr. Barr must at least be dismayed by the bad faith and deliberate deceit in his old friend’s final report, and he really has to do something about it. The entire Mueller episode smacks of prosecutorial misconduct. In retrospect, it can only be explained as a desperate act undertaken by foolishly overconfident political activists. If Mr. Mueller thought he was being enlisted to play an historically heroic role to help get rid of an elected president detested by the Establishment, then he made the blunder of a lifetime. It was not the first blunder of his long career, but it was the final and fatal one. It is not out of the question that Mr. Mueller himself may eventually be the one indicted and convicted of real crimes against the people of the United States.

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4) There is an organization called the "Internet Research Agency" which was credited with "helping" Trump through social media. However, most of their content is ambiguous, equivocal, not related to either Trump OR Hillary, and much of it was posted AFTER the election.

5) This IRA troll-farm was claimed by Mueller to be directly linked to the Kremlin. However, there is NO evidence to back that up; the evidence is SO paltry that the presiding judge in the case forbade Mueller by court order from even insinuating that there was ANY connection to Putin. Eventually this will be decided in court. Are you going to claim that the presiding judge is a Russian troll too?- SIGNY

cites, links, quotes, fetch!

Aww, did you not read the indictment? The one that says, "starting as early as 2014..." Go! Find it!

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I don't have to read the indictment, a judge read it for me and she said it was a lottacrap, and forbade Mueller from continuing to (falsely) claim that this social media marketing agency had links to the Kremlin.

In fact, the Mueller team has bobbled the indictment from the get-go, because (1) they made it all up because (2) they never expected anyone to defend one of their targets in court.

The whole sad mis-handled mess started on Feb 2018 when Mueller indicted the IRA and its parent/affiliate companies Concorde Mgt and Concorde Catering

In April 2018, Concorde lawyers showed up in court requesting copies of the "evidence" against it ("discovery process"), which caused Meuller to ask for a delay on the idea that the indicted entities had not been properly served. The judge refused the delay.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/judge-hands-small-defeat-to-mu
eller-team-in-russian-troll-farm-case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
election-case-delay-570627

In November 2018 the same judge asked the Mueller team to "clarify" it's allegations against Concorde et al, because there is no statute covering the indictment
https://osociety.org/2018/10/21/judge-orders-mueller-to-prove-russian-
company-meddled-in-election/

In July of this year (2019) the same judge found that Mueller's constant reference to concorde's (unproven) Kremlin links to be "prejudicial" and ordered Mueller to stop talking about them
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/in-major-blow-to-mueller-fede
ral-judge-rebukes-mueller-and-doj-for-falsely-claiming-russian-bot-farm-linked-to-russian-government/

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4) There is an organization called the "Internet Research Agency" which was credited with "helping" Trump through social media. However, most of their content is ambiguous, equivocal, not related to either Trump OR Hillary, and much of it was posted AFTER the election.

5) This IRA troll-farm was claimed by Mueller to be directly linked to the Kremlin. However, there is NO evidence to back that up; the evidence is SO paltry that the presiding judge in the case forbade Mueller by court order from even insinuating that there was ANY connection to Putin. Eventually this will be decided in court. Are you going to claim that the presiding judge is a Russian troll too?- SIGNY

cites, links, quotes, fetch! Aww, did you not read the indictment? The one that says, "starting as early as 2014..." Go! Find it! - CC

I don't have to read the indictment, a judge read it for me and she said it was a lottacrap, and forbade Mueller from continuing to (falsely) claim that this social media marketing agency had links to the Kremlin.

In fact, the Mueller team has bobbled the indictment from the get-go, because (1) they made it all up because (2) they never expected anyone to defend one of their targets in court.

The whole sad mis-handled mess started on Feb 2018 when Mueller indicted the IRA and its parent/affiliate companies Concorde Mgt and Concorde Catering

In April 2018, Concorde lawyers showed up in court requesting copies of the "evidence" against it ("discovery process"), which caused Meuller to ask for a delay on the idea that the indicted entities had not been properly served. The judge refused the delay.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/judge-hands-small-defeat-to-mu
eller-team-in-russian-troll-farm-case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
election-case-delay-570627

In November 2018 the same judge asked the Mueller team to "clarify" it's allegations against Concorde et al, because there is no statute covering the indictment
https://osociety.org/2018/10/21/judge-orders-mueller-to-prove-russian-
company-meddled-in-election/

In July of this year (2019) the same judge found that Mueller's constant reference to concorde's (unproven) Kremlin links to be "prejudicial" and ordered Mueller to stop talking about them
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/in-major-blow-to-mueller-fede
ral-judge-rebukes-mueller-and-doj-for-falsely-claiming-russian-bot-farm-linked-to-russian-government/
- SIGNY

Which has nothing to do with whether Russia hacked our 2016 election. You might as well be describing ferret husbandry. The lengths you will go to to absolve the Russian government of any involvement... amazing

Do you think Putin had no idea what the IRA was up to?- CC

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6) Russia supposedly had access to various election databases and in some instances could have altered the data, BUT DIDN'T.- SIGNY

And you know this how? - CC

NPR- SIGNY

You're suggesting NPR knows better than all of the US national intel agencies? - CC

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Do you think Russia will try and hack/influence/obstruct the 2020 election?- CC

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The AP count gives a glimpse, even if incomplete, into how often civilians are mistakenly hit by drone strikes, at a time when the Trump administration has dramatically ramped up the use of armed drones. It has carried out 176 strikes during its nearly two years in office, compared to the 154 strikes during the entire eight years of the Obama administration, according to a count by the AP and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

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I don't have to read the indictment, a judge read it for me and she said it was a lottacrap, and forbade Mueller from continuing to (falsely) claim that this social media marketing agency had links to the Kremlin.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In fact, the Mueller team has bobbled the indictment from the get-go, because (1) they made it all up because (2) they never expected anyone to defend one of their targets in court.

The whole sad mis-handled mess started on Feb 2018 when Mueller indicted the IRA and its parent/affiliate companies Concorde Mgt and Concorde Catering

In April 2018, Concorde lawyers showed up in court requesting copies of the "evidence" against it ("discovery process"), which caused Meuller to ask for a delay on the idea that the indicted entities had not been properly served. The judge refused the delay.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/judge-hands-small-defeat-to-mu
eller-team-in-russian-troll-farm-case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
election-case-delay-570627

In November 2018 the same judge asked the Mueller team to "clarify" it's allegations against Concorde et al, because there is no statute covering the indictment
https://osociety.org/2018/10/21/judge-orders-mueller-to-prove-russian-
company-meddled-in-election/

In July of this year (2019) the same judge found that Mueller's constant reference to concorde's (unproven) Kremlin links to be "prejudicial" and ordered Mueller to stop talking about them
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/in-major-blow-to-mueller-fede
ral-judge-rebukes-mueller-and-doj-for-falsely-claiming-russian-bot-farm-linked-to-russian-government/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not up to ME to decide whether the IRA was getting its orders from the Kremlin, the "evidence" (what little there was of it) was redacted BUT THERE IS A COURT CASE GOING ON OVER THAT VERY ISSUE, and the people deciding guilty or not will be able to see ALL of the evidence and make a decision based on that. This is like MH17: I'm willing to let the full investigation play out because what choice do I have, really? Make up my mind on the basis of nothing?

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Breaking News - you still didn't answer whether you thought Russia tried to hack the 2016 presidential campaign - it's a yes or not question:- CC

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WHICH I ALREADY ANSWERED, LIKE, A YEAR AGO.

I think the biggest effect on the election was Comey's on-again, off-again investigation of Hillary's State Department emails. So NO, Russia had nothing to do with that.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Changing electoral databases: NOPE. I'm not sure that Russia even accessed any of them, considering the blizzard of lies that has been spewed by the M$M this might just be another one. But the media has ALSO repeated, since this first emerged as an item over a year ago, that no changes were detected. It wouldn't surprise me if Russia wanted to do a little vote projection and went on an information-gathering campaign, but I see no evidence so far that it affected anything.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to look at foreign powers who really DID try and affect our election, look at the UK (MI6), Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the (former) Ukraine government.

However, since everyone is busy looking in the Russia direction, expect the usual suspects (other foreign governments) and some unusual ones (big tech companies) to meddle.

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I don't have to read the indictment, a judge read it for me and she said it was a lottacrap, and forbade Mueller from continuing to (falsely) claim that this social media marketing agency had links to the Kremlin.- SIGNY

Easily debunked - you'd have to be a very slow child to think Putin didn't have a hand in what the IRA was up to. NO ONE would take it on themselves in Putin's Russia to act as they did without express approval from Stinker.- CC

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In fact, the Mueller team has bobbled the indictment from the get-go, because (1) they made it all up because (2) they never expected anyone to defend one of their targets in court.
The whole sad mis-handled mess started on Feb 2018 when Mueller indicted the IRA and its parent/affiliate companies Concorde Mgt and Concorde Catering

In April 2018, Concorde lawyers showed up in court requesting copies of the "evidence" against it ("discovery process"), which caused Meuller to ask for a delay on the idea that the indicted entities had not been properly served. The judge refused the delay.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/judge-hands-small-defeat-to-mu
eller-team-in-russian-troll-farm-case
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
election-case-delay-570627

In November 2018 the same judge asked the Mueller team to "clarify" it's allegations against Concorde et al, because there is no statute covering the indictment
https://osociety.org/2018/10/21/judge-orders-mueller-to-prove-russian-
company-meddled-in-election/

In July of this year (2019) the same judge found that Mueller's constant reference to concorde's (unproven) Kremlin links to be "prejudicial" and ordered Mueller to stop talking about them
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/in-major-blow-to-mueller-fede
ral-judge-rebukes-mueller-and-doj-for-falsely-claiming-russian-bot-farm-linked-to-russian-government/
- SIGNY

All of that text sure looks impressive! I'll give you that... I'll also give you:
Easily debunked. You should have read the articles you posted:
"Mueller's team asked for a delay on Friday because it was unclear whether the firm had formally accepted the court summons for the case, but U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich, an appointee of President Trump, denied that request in a brief order Saturday. No explanation was given for the decision"

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not up to ME to decide whether the IRA was getting its orders from the Kremlin, the "evidence" (what little there was of it) was redacted BUT THERE IS A COURT CASE GOING ON OVER THAT VERY ISSUE, and the people deciding guilty or not will be able to see ALL of the evidence and make a decision based on that. This is like MH17: I'm willing to let the full investigation play out because what choice do I have, really? Make up my mind on the basis of nothing?- SIGNY

Come on, you love to guess about these things, but now you want to wait???- CC

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After the 2016 election, the Russian trolls did not stop their work — and on Instagram they actually stepped it up.

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Breaking News - you still didn't answer whether you thought Russia tried to hack the 2016 presidential campaign - it's a yes or not question:- CC

WHICH I ALREADY ANSWERED, LIKE, A YEAR AGO.

I think the biggest effect on the election was Comey's on-again, off-again investigation of Hillary's State Department emails. So NO, Russia had nothing to do with that.- SIGNY

So, YES, they tried,

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just not a huge influence in your opinion. And to be fair, it really didn't need to be much - what did they say? MI, PA, and WI? Just 3 states made the difference...?

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Changing electoral databases: NOPE. I'm not sure that Russia even accessed any of them, considering the blizzard of lies that has been spewed by the M$M this might just be another one. But the media has ALSO repeated, since this first emerged as an item over a year ago, that no changes were detected. It wouldn't surprise me if Russia wanted to do a little vote projection and went on an information-gathering campaign, but I see no evidence so far that it affected anything.- SIGNY

How would you , sitting in your posh ranch home in Simi Vally, have any clue whether Russian intrusions made a difference? I have no idea other than what the 17 different US Intel agencies keep saying. - CC

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If you want to look at foreign powers who really DID try and affect our election, look at the UK (MI6), Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the (former) Ukraine government.
However, since everyone is busy looking in the Russia direction, expect the usual suspects (other foreign governments) and some unusual ones (big tech companies) to meddle.- SIGNY

Interesting how you point the finger TWICE at essentially everyone else but Russia. -

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On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week.

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On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
election-case-delay-570627


The purported reason for the requested delay was that Mueller's team was concerned that the defendants hadn't been properly served.

As it turns out, once THAT reason was rejected, the Mueller team asked for ANOTHER delay, this time for the reason that they needed more time to gather the evidence. THAT delay, which was also requested by the defendent's lawyers, was granted.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/05/23/mueller-delay-russia-trial/

Seems to me that the evidence should have already been prepared. How does it look when a proseccutor gets to trial and has to ask for a halt because they don't have their ducks in a row?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But it sure served as a good excuse to censor the internet! So, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, Bob Mueller!

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