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Fascistic immigration policy continues to kill kids
Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:28 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: So far, all we're doing is creating desperate exploitable people and then importing them into the USA for the corporations' convenience. - SIGNY We're doing more than that. We're creating desperate exploitable citizens who are in competition with cheaper foreign labor, automation and all of the illegals we take into the country. Then to top that all off, we gimp our own people by not even bothering to teach them the Metric System in their formative years. Dollars to donuts that 95% or more of the people sitting in "concentration camps" right now know how to use the Metric System and have been using it all of their lives. - SIX Yup - the f*cking metric system! That's the real problem! = GSTRING Wow, GSTTRING, it looks like you missed a whole triple ice cream banana split and focused on the cherry on top! Well, you DO know the old saying, right? When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Quote: So far, all we're doing is creating desperate exploitable people and then importing them into the USA for the corporations' convenience. - SIGNY We're doing more than that. We're creating desperate exploitable citizens who are in competition with cheaper foreign labor, automation and all of the illegals we take into the country. Then to top that all off, we gimp our own people by not even bothering to teach them the Metric System in their formative years. Dollars to donuts that 95% or more of the people sitting in "concentration camps" right now know how to use the Metric System and have been using it all of their lives. - SIX Yup - the f*cking metric system! That's the real problem! = GSTRING
Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:49 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? - CC Not really. IF you had read my post about what I want for this nation, the answer is ... only legitimate political asylum-seekers.- SIGNY You mean... legal immigrants? Like I just said? -CC
Quote:Unless of course, you don't want that as well. - CC Well, give the man a gold star! IF we manage to stop interfering everywhere in the world, we can stop feeling responsible for all of the damage that we've done. (Yes, I know ... there are some people who still naively believe that we're on some sort of fucking worldwide mission of mercy. HAHAHAHA!!!) - SIGNY- Wait, so you really don't want any immigration allowed to this country? Close the borders for good? (except "legitimate political asylum-seekers," whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).- CC
Quote: We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,- SIGNY When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.- CC
Quote: nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.- SIGNY We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people. When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.- CC
Quote:Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system! - SIGNY Maybe we should make them emigrate! That would solve the problem! When you think the solution to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum,
Quote: you lose all credibility.- CC
Quote:WHY for god's sake do we think we can, or should, take care of "everyone else"? - SIGNY Who is "we?" The phony big bad you're trying to create?- CC
Quote:IF we can manage to solve OUR problems ... and so far, we haven't done such a bang-up job, have we? ... THEN we might have a clue how to solve someone else's. So far, all we're doing is creating desperate exploitable people and then importing them into the USA for the corporations' convenience. - SIGNY How many immigrants have become successful, valuable US citizens that you/other citizens have benefitted from having in this country?- CC
Quote: Don't you employ non-native nannies?- GSTTRING
Quote: Uh-huh.- CC
Quote: Do you buy produce of any kind... on and on. You don't even know how.
Quote:This post of yours has no substance, all recycled BS. You're not really thinking, just typing the usual crud.-GSTRING
Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:25 PM
REAVERFAN
Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:03 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: ... why people are so desperate and willing to endure extreme conditions, even death, to come here ...
Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: "legitimate political asylum-seekers" whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).
Quote: A refugee is a person outside his or her country of nationality who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her country of nationality because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. An asylee is a person who meets the definition of refugee and is already present in the United States or is seeking admission at a port of entry. Refugees are required to apply for Lawful Permanent Resident (“green card”) status one year after being admitted, and asylees may apply for green card status one year after their grant of asylum.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people. When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system!
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: Maybe we should make them emigrate! THAT WOULD SOLVE the problem! When you think the SOLUTION to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum, you lose all credibility.
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: How many immigrants
Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: Filing under: ... running up her post count.
Monday, July 1, 2019 5:07 AM
Quote:US Government Tops All for Creating Refugees Eric Zuesse June 30, 2019 On June 19th, Statistica headlined “Number of forcibly displaced people reaches new high”, and when one looks at the data, one finds an even bigger story which stands behind those numbers: This new report from the United Nations documents Statistica’s headline, and it proves that America’s regime-change operations have actually created around half of the world’s refugees. It proves that America’s penchant for invading and trying to overthrow the governments that its billionaires want to replace (“regime-change”) has been by far the biggest of all single causes of refugees worldwide, vastly higher than any other government. Regardless of how bad those other governments might possibly be, the US regime is far worse — at least as being the cause, the creator, of the world’s refugee problems. Consider the countries that the US regime has recently regime-changed or attempted to: The US regime invaded Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq in 2003, Syria in 2012-2019, and has been applying, in order to overthrow the Government of Venezuela, strangulating economic sanctions. All of those four target-countries (Syria, Venezuela, Iraq, and Afghanistan) lead the list of nations that are bleeding the most refugees. The US regime’s “regime-change” operations abroad are therefore certainly the leading cause of the world’s refugee-crisis. That’s the big news in the new UN report, though it is news that the report itself ignores. The biggest of these crises in 2018 were Syria and Venezuela, which were the US regime’s most recent regime-change operations. But Afghanistan and Iraq are also among the top bleeders of refugees — even now, over 15 years after the US regime had invaded them. On 26 January 2019, Britain’s Independent headlined “Venezuela crisis: Former UN rapporteur says US sanctions are killing citizens: ‘Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns’” ...
Monday, July 1, 2019 7:03 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But, I knew that already. And now, you do too.
Monday, July 1, 2019 9:28 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? - CC Not really. IF you had read my post about what I want for this nation, the answer is ... only legitimate political asylum-seekers.- SIGNY You mean... legal immigrants? Like I just said? -CCI mean people who meet the criteria for political asylum, which is a much narrower category than today's "legal" immigrants since we have a quota-based allowance for family re-unification, special skills, and people requesting asylum NOT for political reasons etc. Do you know how many immigrants out system allows LEGALLY? Of course not! You're just spouting generalities which lack subtance! Our system allows 675,000 LEGAL immigrants into this country every year. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/how-united-states-immigration-system-works https://immigrationroad.com/visa-bulletin/immigrant-visa-annual-limit-and-cap.php I would drop that to less than half. Quote:Unless of course, you don't want that as well. - CC Well, give the man a gold star! IF we manage to stop interfering everywhere in the world, we can stop feeling responsible for all of the damage that we've done. (Yes, I know ... there are some people who still naively believe that we're on some sort of fucking worldwide mission of mercy. HAHAHAHA!!!) - SIGNY- Wait, so you really don't want any immigration allowed to this country? Close the borders for good? (except "legitimate political asylum-seekers," whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting).- CC See above Quote: We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,- SIGNY When you speak in such broad generalizations you lose credibility.- CC We do not have the means to solve the world's problems. Name one world problem that we can solve. Lack of infrastructure in the southern hemisphere? Political corruption? Poverty? Tyranny? Inequality? Climate shift? Overfishing? Plastic pollution? Heck, we can't even solve something relatively limited, like polio or malaria! I suppose we DO have the capacity to solve overpopulation if we set of strategically-placed nuclear bombs ... I'll give you that one! Quote: nor do we have the means to take in an infinite number of impoverished people.- SIGNY We're not trying to take in an infinite number of people. When you speak nonsense and make sh*t up you lose all credibility.- CC Okay, an "indefinite" number. So, be specific: What's a good number for YOU? A million? Two million? Twenty million? More? Less? Quote:Hell, we can't even take care of our own homeless, mentally ill, unemployed, sick people who've been squeezed out of our ever-so-gracious system! - SIGNY Maybe we should make them emigrate! That would solve the problem! When you think the solution to such enormous problems are a couple of pithy sentences on a forum, Like you just wrote?Quote: you lose all credibility.- CC Hmm... well, I've written more than "a couple" of pithy sentences, but YOU refused to read them! Importantly, I traced our moral culpability for the current immigration crisis all the way back to over a century of repeatedly invading, destabilizing, and overthrowing nascent democratic movements to our south, movements which were attempting land reform, education, higher wages, independent foreign and economic policy etc. We've ALWAYS been on the side of our banks, our corporations, and their internal elites and their military juntas, and this didn't happen just once but over and over, and is still happening today (Venezuela, Cuba, Honduras - thank you Hillary Clinton for that one! ... Brazil ...) As such, we have thwarted each nation's natural political and economic development and have a huge responsibility for how they are today. Of course, we have no idea how things would have turned out without our meddling, maybe better, maybe worse, but at least WE wouldn't be in the chain of events. So the FIRST thing we need to do is STOP MEDDLING IN THEIR INTERNAL POLITICS. Quote:WHY for god's sake do we think we can, or should, take care of "everyone else"? - SIGNY Who is "we?" The phony big bad you're trying to create?- CC If you listen to most of the DNC candidates, and a lot of our Democratic politicians in CA, Texas, New Mexico, and New York City, that's exactly what "we" should be doing. Our fearless leader, for example, Gavin Newsom, thinks we (Californians) should be footing the medical bills for illegal aliens here in CA, and this will be funded by taxes in citizens. Now if THAT isn't showing preference for illegals over citizens, I don;t knwo what is. Quote:IF we can manage to solve OUR problems ... and so far, we haven't done such a bang-up job, have we? ... THEN we might have a clue how to solve someone else's. So far, all we're doing is creating desperate exploitable people and then importing them into the USA for the corporations' convenience. - SIGNY How many immigrants have become successful, valuable US citizens that you/other citizens have benefitted from having in this country?- CC What percent? I dunno, YOU tell ME. Illegal aliens take in a larger percentage of goernment help than citiznes. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/census-confirms-63-percent-of-non-citizens-on-welfare-4-6-million-households Quote: Don't you employ non-native nannies?- GSTTRING Yanno, when you keep on throwing this ad-hominum up, in spite of the fact that I have addressed it at length many times, that tells me you're just a tool. I have NEVER hired an illegal alien housekkeeper or gardener or workman. I insist on not only seeing a driver's license and a Social Security card (which I check on e-Verify) but (for our nannies) native-English speaking skills and car insurance. I pay Social Security and unemployment. My current gardener was a homless citizen when I first employed him (he's now, fortunately, in assisted housing) I don't go to Home Depot to pick up day laborers. Quote: Uh-huh.- CC Uh uh. So, yanno, fuck you. Get it right next time and stop being such a dick. Quote: Do you buy produce of any kind... on and on. You don't even know how. I don't know "how" ? I don't know "how" what? I can't stop agribusiness from hiring illegls, THAT'S MY OBJECTION. I don't want to buy stuff produced by $1/hr stoop labor. I buy a lot of my produce from farmer's market, and I'm willing to pay more for food that's produced using legal, union labor. Quote:This post of yours has no substance, all recycled BS. You're not really thinking, just typing the usual crud.-GSTRING Yanno, when you make general comments like that, you lose all credibility. You CLEARLY don't know anything about the immigration process, or the economic problems that illegal immigrants cause workers here in this country, or crazy infrastrucural demands (housing, water, schools, healthcare, transportation) that a few extra million people can place on a city, or the dysfunctional policies that're being promoted by most Democratic candidates and many Democratic politicians. I've been extremely specific. I know the numbers, I know the facts. You? You just type surious generalities and when you ARE specific (like your repeated accusation that I hire illegals) you're just plain wrong, or you're just plain lying. When you have something SPECIFIC to say ... oh, like how many immigrant YOU would take in, and what the criteria would be for admitting them, and how you would stem the flow, and resolve the initial cause of mass migrations, and eliminate our moral culpability, and how you would either fold illegals into our economic system without causing employment disclocation or deport them over time ... well then, please feel free to post something useful!
Quote: Don't you employ non-native nannies? Yanno, when you keep on throwing this ad-hominum up, in spite of the fact that I have addressed it at length many times, that tells me you're just a tool. I have NEVER hired an illegal alien housekkeeper or gardener or workman... - SIGFORBRAINS
Monday, July 1, 2019 12:20 PM
Quote:Don't you employ non-native nannies?- GSTRING Yanno, when you keep on throwing this ad-hominum up, in spite of the fact that I have addressed it at length many times, that tells me you're just a tool. I have NEVER hired an illegal alien housekkeeper or gardener or workman... - SIGNY Where does it it say I said illegal? - GSTRING
Quote:Another diarrhea post from Lysherassov. You CLEARLY don't know anything about the immigration process, you just think you do.- GSTRING
Monday, July 1, 2019 3:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: OK, GSTRING, let me answer this question as you asked it: NO, I HAVE NEVER HIRED A NON-NATIVE NANNY.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: My DAD was an immigrant. My HUSBAND is an immigrant. I worked with immigrants from all over the world, so once again - and with all due respect - fuck off.
Monday, July 1, 2019 5:18 PM
Monday, July 1, 2019 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Well, at least you acknowledge you were full of sh*t for saying I said "illegal." It's always so hard to get you to own your own cock-ups.
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Monday, July 1, 2019 8:38 PM
Quote:roughly 9,500 members from across the country
Quote:In one exchange, group members responded with indifference and wisecracks to the post of a news story about a 16-year-old Guatemalan migrant who died in May while in custody at a Border Patrol station in Weslaco, Texas. One member posted a GIF of Elmo with the quote, “Oh well.” Another responded with an image and the words “If he dies, he dies.”
Quote:several recent discussions in the 10-15 Facebook group
Quote:Several of the postings reviewed by ProPublica refer to the planned visit by members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus
Quote:three agents who appear to have participated in the online chats
Quote:posts target Ocasio-Cortez. One includes ... Another is a photo
Quote:seems to be a pervasive culture of cruelty aimed at immigrants within CBP. This isn’t just a few rogue agents or ‘bad apples.’
Monday, July 1, 2019 8:43 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by CEREALMUSH: "legitimate political asylum-seekers" whoever that is. I'm sure the definition of that will be interesting). Here's the generic definition from Homeland Security:Quote: A refugee is a person outside his or her country of nationality who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her country of nationality because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. An asylee is a person who meets the definition of refugee and is already present in the United States or is seeking admission at a port of entry. Refugees are required to apply for Lawful Permanent Resident (“green card”) status one year after being admitted, and asylees may apply for green card status one year after their grant of asylum. Are you following so far? There's some big words in there. (*BTW, I hope you've noticed there's no spot for economic refugees.) Take that definition and change it to this "on account of ... political opinion." Clear enough? Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: We do not have the means to solve the world's problems,
Monday, July 1, 2019 8:48 PM
Monday, July 1, 2019 8:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: One of the problems with Trump's "solution" is it's all stick and no carrot.-CC HAHAHAHAHA!!!! It's a truism that if you want to "stop" ppl from doing something, you punish them. If you want people to "do" something, you reward them. How in god's name do you set up a "reward" system that stops people from illegally crossing the border? Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? Unless of course, you don't want that as well. Don't freak - that will never happen with this admin. They don't want ANY immigrants from Mexico on down either, so you're "safe."
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: One of the problems with Trump's "solution" is it's all stick and no carrot.-CC HAHAHAHAHA!!!! It's a truism that if you want to "stop" ppl from doing something, you punish them. If you want people to "do" something, you reward them. How in god's name do you set up a "reward" system that stops people from illegally crossing the border?
Quote: One of the problems with Trump's "solution" is it's all stick and no carrot.-CC
Monday, July 1, 2019 11:17 PM
Monday, July 1, 2019 11:23 PM
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:53 PM
Quote:Well, pismo inadvertantly implied a good question. Although not dealt with here, because another point was focused on. How many Illegal Aliens have become successful, valuable US citizens that you/other citizens have benefitted from having in this country?
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 4:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Pictures reveal that AOC was NOT crying over the facilities at a port of entry, she was crying while facing an empty parking lot. While wearing a $600 watch OH THE ANGUISH! OH THE INHUMANITY! Can you say photo-op (fake news)? Sure you can!
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 4:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Well, pismo inadvertantly implied a good question. Although not dealt with here, because another point was focused on. How many Illegal Aliens have become successful, valuable US citizens that you/other citizens have benefitted from having in this country? Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerte both came to mind, but when I looked them up they were both born in the USA.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: One of the problems with Trump's "solution" is it's all stick and no carrot.-CC HAHAHAHAHA!!!! It's a truism that if you want to "stop" ppl from doing something, you punish them. If you want people to "do" something, you reward them. How in god's name do you set up a "reward" system that stops people from illegally crossing the border? Another Einstein checks in. I dunno, geenius, just off the top of my head maybe you use the carrot to get people to legally cross the border? That's what you want, right? Unless of course, you don't want that as well. Don't freak - that will never happen with this admin. They don't want ANY immigrants from Mexico on down either, so you're "safe."Are you insane? You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America? Can you name one single country in the world that does NOT have people waiting in line to enter America? America admitted 1.18 Legal Immigrants in 2016. There were 10.7 Million Illegal Aliens in America in 2016 - apparently 52% of them from Mexico. This is down from 12.2% in 2007, since the Rock-The-Vote Recession sent the Mexicans back home in droves. In 2010 and 2011, almost 400,000 Deportations were performed, and total of 2.5 million from 2009-2015. I don't see any shortage of folk wanting to enter America. Somebody mentioned 675,000 Legal Immigrants last year. If true, that is more than the current populations of Wyoming, and Vermont, and also the 2010 population of North Dakota.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America?
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: While wearing a $600 watch
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:19 PM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: While wearing a $600 watch You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse!
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Pictures reveal that AOC was NOT crying over the facilities at a port of entry, she was crying while facing an empty parking lot. While wearing a $600 watch Can you say photo-op (fake news)? Sure you can!
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:26 PM
Quote: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aoc-empty-parking-lot/ The roadway leading to the encampment was closed off to news media and protesters. “Obviously,” he said, “there weren’t kids two feet away.”
Quote:The so-called empty parking lot was in fact a roadway leading towards the Tornillo Border Patrol station
Quote:Aguirre said. “Her watch — OK she has a new watch.
Quote:She finally got to the fence and right BEYOND that road
Quote:WAY to the left, was the [migrant tent city] camp, and it represented something that made her emotional,” Aguirre told us.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:15 PM
Quote:You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse!
Quote:No? That doesn't bother you?
Quote:Liar or Hypocrite?
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse! OMG!!! I'm outraged! It's butt-fucking ugly! Quote:No? That doesn't bother you? Holy crap! YES, it bothers me! It's the worst pile of architectural go se ever. Quote:Liar or Hypocrite?
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 8:35 AM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 10:09 AM
Quote:You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse!- CC OMG!!! I'm outraged! It's butt-fucking ugly!- SIGNY No? That doesn't bother you?- CC Holy crap! YES, it bothers me! It's the worst pile of architectural go se ever.-SIGNY Liar or Hypocrite? - CC Are you asking me if AOC is liar or hypocrite? Why choose? Both, maybe? SIGNY You rationalize obvious double standards with such ease. Like a seasoned pro. :wink- CC
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Hey butthead ... did you finally get some advice on internet libel? Then maybe you should know that in light of your LONG HISTORY of defaming me (and other people around here) your nudge-nudge-wink-wink insinuations aren't going to help you.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You can't seem to separate my criticism of AOC from a defense of Trump. My beef with AOC is that she's an idiot pretending to be a socialist. I think her proposed policies mostly suck and won't solve the wealth gap.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The stats have not been collected for 2019, and I expect that thanks to a surge of entrants at the border which approximately tripled the number of entrants for a month (b4 Trump threatened Mexico with tariffs if they din't stop "passing thru" central America migrants to the USA border) there wll be more deaths in custody/at the border for 2019, but on a per person basis, the record is about the same. Any death under USA custody is one too many, but let's be realistic about this: Trump is no worse than Obama. You're just bitching because, yanno, Trump!
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:36 PM
Quote:Your long history of threatening me ...
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:40 PM
Quote: You took a cheap shot at AOC (who I could give a rats pa-tooty about) for wearing a $600 watch
Quote: but you give Trump a pass
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: You took a cheap shot at AOC (who I could give a rats pa-tooty about) for wearing a $600 watch And pretending to be a socialist
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Don't spout that nonsense about one death is too many. The majority of American voters don't care about 1 death or 1 million deaths. They don't care. They never have. They never will. Changing Presidents does not change that prisons and jails throughout the US are continuously plagued by surges in mortality rates due to varying degrees of underfunding, understaffing, negligence and a system inadequately in place to address serious mental healthcare and medical issues of individuals caught within the system. It is the American way. Fly the flag on the 4th of July, tomorrow. That, the majority of voters care about. Prisoner deaths? Not so much.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: You took a cheap shot at AOC (who I could give a rats pa-tooty about) for wearing a $600 watch And pretending to be a socialist You really want me to believe that you're bent up about AOC "pretending to be a socialist???" Thanks for the funny.
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You must really be outraged over Trump's golden penthouse!- CC OMG!!! I'm outraged! It's butt-fucking ugly!- SIGNY No? That doesn't bother you?- CC Holy crap! YES, it bothers me! It's the worst pile of architectural go se ever.-SIGNY Liar or Hypocrite? - CC Are you asking me if AOC is liar or hypocrite? Why choose? Both, maybe? SIGNY You rationalize obvious double standards with such ease. Like a seasoned pro. :wink- CC Hey butthead ... did you finally get some advice on internet libel? Then maybe you should know that in light of your LONG HISTORY of defaming me (and other people around here) your nudge-nudge-wink-wink insinuations aren't going to help you. You can't seem to separate my criticism of AOC from a defense of Trump. My beef with AOC is that she's an idiot pretending to be a socialist. I think her proposed policies mostly suck and won't solve the wealth gap. But yanno, this doesn't have to be an either-or choice! I can be critical of both her AND Trump, right? I only agree with Trump on three things, remember? That's a pretty limited palette of things to agree on! Now, I happen to think that they're necessary to fixing what ails us ... necessary but not sufficient ... so he got my vote on those three things ... but I'm not claiming to support him in everything, or to think that he's a nice person. Now, IN REALITY, it is a widely acknowledged FACT that deaths in custody UNDER OBAMA were about the same as deaths in custody under Trump so far. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/immigrant-deaths-under-trump-on-par-with-obama-numbers-dhs There were more deaths at the border UNDER OBAMA than under Trump, so far. https://www.koat.com/article/border-deaths-under-obama-vs-trump/25687975 Those pictures of kids in cages were taken UNDER OBAMA. The stats have not been collected for 2019, and I expect that thanks to a surge of entrants at the border which approximately tripled the number of entrants for a month (b4 Trump threatened Mexico with tariffs if they din't stop "passing thru" central America migrants to the USA border) there wll be more deaths in custody/at the border for 2019, but on a per person basis, the record is about the same. Any death under USA custody is one too many, but let's be realistic about this: Trump is no worse than Obama. You're just bitching because, yanno, Trump!
Friday, July 5, 2019 5:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America?/b]Clearly the dumbest poster FFF.net has ever had. Or one of Kiki's puppets.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: You think a carrot is needed to get people to want to enter America?/b]
Monday, July 15, 2019 11:10 AM
Quote:Trump Ends Asylum Protections For Most Migrants At US-Mexico Border In what we suspect will be immediately greeted by an avalanche of "we're a nation of (legal) immigrants" and calls of 'racism' and 'hitler', AP reports that the Trump administration on Monday moved to end asylum protections for most Central American migrants. According to a new rule published in the Federal Register, asylum seekers who pass through another country first will be ineligible for asylum at the U.S. southern border. The rule, expected to go into effect Tuesday, also applies to children who have crossed the border alone. AP does note, however, that there are some exceptions: If someone has been trafficked, if the country the migrant passed through did not sign one of the major international treaties that govern how refugees are managed (though most Western countries have signed them)... or if an asylum-seeker sought protection in a country but was denied, then a migrant could still apply for U.S. asylum. The new rule also will apply to the initial asylum screening, known as a "credible fear" interview, at which migrants must prove they have credible fears of returning to their home country. It applies to migrants who are arriving to the U.S., not those who are already in the country. By way of background, things have escalated quite dramatically in the last decade: During the budget year for 2009, there were 35,811 asylum claims, and 8,384 were granted. During 2018 budget year, there were 162,060 claims filed, and 13,168 were granted.
Quote:Immigration courts are backlogged by more than 800,000 cases, meaning many people won't have their asylum claims heard for years despite move judges being hired. As AP notes, the policy is almost certain to face a legal challenge, and we suspect some judge somewhere in California is already drafting the order to strike down this policy, so don't hold your breath for any further slowdown in illegal border crossings.
Monday, July 15, 2019 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: An awful lot of people making specious claims Quote:Immigration courts are backlogged by more than 800,000 cases, meaning many people won't have their asylum claims heard for years despite move judges being hired. As AP notes, the policy is almost certain to face a legal challenge, and we suspect some judge somewhere in California is already drafting the order to strike down this policy, so don't hold your breath for any further slowdown in illegal border crossings.
Monday, July 15, 2019 1:06 PM
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Monday, July 15, 2019 1:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This new regulation was published in the Federal Register, which means it's official.
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