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Trump is a very sick man.

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You call someone a "very sick man" because he formed a snap emotional judgment about someone's guilt or innocence, and refused to change his mind when real evidence came to light? Gee .... who does that remind me of ...?

In any case, WTH does that have to do with the fact that the security agencies, foreign nations, and former Obama officials conspired to unseat an elected President, with the full cooperation of the "free" press?

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Trump is a very sick man.

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You call someone a "very sick man" because he formed a snap emotional judgment about someone's guilt or innocence, and refused to change his mind when real evidence came to light? Gee .... who does that remind me of ...?

In any case, WTH does that have to do with the fact that the security agencies, foreign nations, and former Obama officials conspired to unseat an elected President, with the full cooperation of the "free" press?

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Trump is a very sick man. Did you see the “Central Park Five” story on CBS yesterday morning? The five black 14- and 15-year-old boys — now 44- and 45-year-old men — falsely accused and convicted of raping a jogger in 1989?

At the time, Trump ran full-page ads (“BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY”)
"They should be forced to suffer. I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyze them or understand them, I am looking to punish them." Trump is a very sick man.

As you’ll see when you watch, if anyone should have gone to jail . . . other than the actual rapist, of course (who would later confess and whose DNA was the only DNA that fit the crime) . . . it should have been the police, not those entirely innocent boys.

Yet, faced with indisputable evidence that they had been falsely convicted and imprisoned, candidate Trump in 2016 showed no remorse for having suggested they be killed — indeed, he continued to maintain they were guilty.

Trump is a very sick man. https://andrewtobias.com/malignant-narcissism/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Ahhhh...

So this is the new tactic.

Maybe this one will work out better than the other 100 you've tried against Trump?

Good Luck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Ahhhh...

So this is the new tactic.

Maybe this one will work out better than the other 100 you've tried against Trump?

Good Luck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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This is old news, along with Trump's bankruptcies, divorces, tax cheating, sexual practices, his threats to sue everybody over the littlest things, etc. People were asking before he was elected if it was sensible to let a mentally deranged man like Trump to have the nuclear codes. But the majority of the electoral college voted that this concern was not disqualifying.

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Well. I think that answers the question.

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lol

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Ahhhh...

So this is the new tactic.

Maybe this one will work out better than the other 100 you've tried against Trump?

Good Luck.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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This is old news, along with Trump's bankruptcies, divorces, tax cheating, sexual practices, his threats to sue everybody over the littlest things, etc. People were asking before he was elected if it was sensible to let a mentally deranged man like Trump to have the nuclear codes. But the majority of the electoral college voted that this concern was not disqualifying.

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SECONDRATE got tired of his soapbox in the For Democrats Only and Mueller Investagation [sic] Is Over because nobody was interested in his monomaniacal ranting, so he decided to threadjack THIS one.

May I make a suggestion? Let's not respond to SECONDRATE's obvious attempts to derail the topic. I know, I'm guilty of it, but I'm going to stop.

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SECONDRATE got tired of his soapbox in the For Democrats Only and Mueller Investagation [sic] Is Over because nobody was interested in his monomaniacal ranting, so he decided to threadjack THIS one.

May I make a suggestion? Let's not respond to SECONDRATE's obvious attempts to derail the topic. I know, I'm guilty of it, but I'm going to stop.

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I created this thread as a place to put all of that information (which will be revealed soon, I think) about the conspiracy against Trump and all who participated in it.

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Barr taps U.S. attorney in Connecticut to investigate origins of Russia probe

Attorney General William P. Barr has tapped John H. Durham, the U.S. attorney for the District of Connecticut, to investigate the origins of the special counsel’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Barr picked Durham in recent weeks to work on the review, which is designed to ensure the U.S. government’s “intelligence collection activities” related to the Trump campaign were “lawful and appropriate,” a person familiar with the decision said.

Barr had confirmed the review publicly, though the person leading it was not previously known. Durham’s selection was first reported by the New York Times.

Durham was confirmed as a U.S. attorney in February 2018 and had previously earned a reputation as a dogged career prosecutor tapped by previous attorneys general for other high-profile roles.

In 1999, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed Durham to investigate law enforcement corruption in Boston, and more recently, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. called on him to investigate the treatment of CIA detainees and the destruction of videotapes.

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Barr taps U.S. attorney in Connecticut to investigate origins of Russia probe

Attorney General William P. Barr has tapped John H. Durham, the U.S. attorney for the District of Connecticut, to investigate the origins of the special counsel’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Barr picked Durham in recent weeks to work on the review, which is designed to ensure the U.S. government’s “intelligence collection activities” related to the Trump campaign were “lawful and appropriate,” a person familiar with the decision said.

Barr had confirmed the review publicly, though the person leading it was not previously known. Durham’s selection was first reported by the New York Times.

Durham was confirmed as a U.S. attorney in February 2018 and had previously earned a reputation as a dogged career prosecutor tapped by previous attorneys general for other high-profile roles.

In 1999, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed Durham to investigate law enforcement corruption in Boston, and more recently, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. called on him to investigate the treatment of CIA detainees and the destruction of videotapes.

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they just can't say it and still get reelected.- SECONDRATE

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So, in other words ...

Trump is more popular than establishment Republicans with the Republican base AND with independent voters, AND ...

It IS a secret plot because "they just can't say it", AND ...

They, and you, have no problem with the deep state employing extra-legal means to get rid of an elected President, AND ...

Therefore they, and you, hate democracy and our democratic institutions because you're Ok with overturning the results if you don't like them.

Does that just about say it all?

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"Steele dossier was prepared in Britain"

Noose tightens around Steele, as US State Department exposes UK spy's "political ties"

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they just can't say it and still get reelected.- SECONDRATE

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So, in other words ...

Trump is more popular than establishment Republicans with the Republican base AND with independent voters, AND ...

It IS a secret plot because "they just can't say it", AND ...

They, and you, have no problem with the deep state employing extra-legal means to get rid of an elected President, AND ...

Therefore they, and you, hate democracy and our democratic institutions because you're Ok with overturning the results if you don't like them.

Does that just about say it all?

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they just can't say it and still get reelected.- SECONDRATE

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So, in other words ...

Trump is more popular than establishment Republicans with the Republican base AND with independent voters, AND ...

It IS a secret plot because "they just can't say it", AND ...

They, and you, have no problem with the deep state employing extra-legal means to get rid of an elected President, AND ...

Therefore they, and you, hate democracy and our democratic institutions because you're Ok with overturning the results if you don't like them.

Does that just about say it all?

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The Trump voters don't get a vote in the House of Representatives. Your romantic notion that we ever lived in a Democracy where the Trump voters decide impeachment is incorrect:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/congress-subpoena-fight-tr
ump-impeachment-mueller-john-roberts.html

The House, without calling a single witness or demanding a single document, could impeach the president based on the current record alone. There is little doubt that Volume II of the Mueller report, even as redacted, suffices to prove multiple acts of obstruction of justice. More than 800 former federal prosecutors — myself included — have signed on to a letter explaining how the Mueller report proves an indictable case of obstruction. Coupled with the allegations of complicity in campaign finance crimes against “Individual 1” in the Southern District of New York, as well as Trump’s resistance to House subpoenas — which was an impeachment count against President Richard Nixon — the current record is more than sufficient to draft a formidable bill of impeachment.

The House would then designate a subset of its members to serve as “managers” in the impeachment process. The managers are basically the president’s prosecutors. They present the evidence to the Senate, select the witnesses they wish to call, choose the documents they wish to submit, and make opening and final arguments in support of conviction.

Once the managers are chosen, the case would move to the Senate. And under the Senate rules that have governed all impeachment proceedings since 1986, there is a speedy and efficient vehicle for holding exactly the kind of hearings that House Democrats have been seeking.

Crucially, a Senate impeachment trial could not get mired in multiple layers of district court and appellate court litigation. Under Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 of the Constitution, “when the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.” As the “Presiding Officer,” under Senate impeachment Rule V, the chief justice has the power “to make and issue … all orders, mandates, writs, and precepts authorized by these rules or by the Senate.” The chief justice likewise has full authority to “direct all the forms of proceedings while the Senate is sitting for the purpose of trying an impeachment, and all forms during the trial not otherwise specially provided for.” According to the Senate rules, it is the chief justice as presiding officer who gets to “rule on all questions of evidence including, but not limited to, questions of relevancy, materiality, and redundancy of evidence and incidental questions.” And while Rule VII permits a member of the Senate to demand a Senate vote on the chief’s rulings, it is difficult to imagine even Mitch McConnell seeking to overrule Chief Justice John Roberts. Indeed, no senator challenged a single ruling by Chief Justice William Rehnquist during the Bill Clinton impeachment trial.

Whatever then happens for any given witness or exhibit, the chief’s rulings are apt to be prompt and efficient. There would be no reams of legal briefing, no extended oral arguments, no endless appeals. The parties would cut right to the chase, and the substance of the Mueller report allegations — not to mention the role of Individual 1 in providing hush money on the eve of the 2016 election — would play out on live TV.

I'd love to see it happen. I'd love to see all the Trump voters, and especially senile old fool Trump, foaming at the mouth angry about it being unconstitutional or undemocratic or illegal or witch-hunting or whatever Trump wants to call it. Maybe he will use all those words. I really want to see how crazy with anger Trump can get.

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So how's that whole "Don't Feed The Trolls" thing working out? Jus' askin'.

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second: when were you, personally, ever a Federal Prosecutor?

It used to be that Federal Prosecutors were supposed to be sane.

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I created this thread as a place to put all of that information (which will be revealed soon, I think) about the conspiracy against Trump and all who participated in it.

I created a separate thread because there are already multiple posts in multiple threads about social media, M$M, the Clintons, Obama, the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ, holdover employees and appointees, foreign governments (not Russian)... it was a wide-ranging conspiracy and in order to understand the full scope, the articles need to be gathered in one thread, and not scattered among many.

THIS IS NOT a defense of Trump. Please don't bring your whines and bitches about Trump and RUSSIA!!!! here! You have a gazillion threads to obssess in; this is something else.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Ruh Roh, Comey!

I can't remember where we left off on Comey. Was he a good guy or a bad guy the last time anybody bothered talking about him?

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Ruh Roh, Comey!

I can't remember where we left off on Comey. Was he a good guy or a bad guy the last time anybody bothered talking about him?

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Comey is the guy who called Hillary an un-indicted criminal on three different occasions before the election. The final time he pulled that publicity stunt was only days before the election when he said he would reopen the investigation into Hillary if she was elected. Only after the election did Comey claim he didn't think calling Hillary a criminal would make any difference to the voters. Except if fewer than 80,000 voters switched their votes, Hillary would have won the Electoral College. She won the popular vote by 3,000,000.

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey be fired.
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767

Donald Trump will be president thanks to 80,000 people in three states
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be
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Clinton's 2.1% margin of victory ranks third among defeated candidates, according to statistics from US Elections Atlas. Andrew Jackson won by more than 10% in 1824 but was denied the presidency, which went to John Quincy Adams. In 1876, Samuel Tilden received 3% more votes than Rutherford B. Hayes, who eventually triumphed by one electoral vote.
www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-v
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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So... bad guy, eh?

Ruh Roh, Comey.

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So... bad guy, eh?

Ruh Roh, Comey.

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Bad in the same way Malcolm Reynolds is bad for quickness at killing people who get in his way. For Mal, the gun is always the first tool he goes for to solve his problems. But Mal will always be a real charmer and the hero on Firefly!

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey be fired.
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39866767
"I cannot defend the Director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of Secretary Clinton's emails, and I do not understand his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken. Almost everyone agrees that the Director made serious mistakes; it is one of the few issues that unites people of diverse perspectives."

Mal makes the same kind of mistakes as Comey, but when Mal does it, people end up dead rather than unelected.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Oh... come on now. I'm sure at least one person got suicided when Hillary wasn't elected.

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Ruh Roh, Comey!

I can't remember where we left off on Comey. Was he a good guy or a bad guy the last time anybody bothered talking about him?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Ruh Roh, Comey!

I can't remember where we left off on Comey. Was he a good guy or a bad guy the last time anybody bothered talking about him?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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James Baker - the Obama FBI's top attorney (general counsel) said on Friday that he was skeptical about the Steele dossier, and "concerned" about its veracity when the agency received it prior to the 2016 US election, according to the Daily Caller's Chuck Ross.

"It was more information that we viewed, that I viewed, skeptically from the outset, and I was concerned about it and had a jaundiced eye, or looked at it with a jaundiced eye right from the outset," Baker told MSNBC's Chuck Todd, adding "Steele was and had been a source that we thought was reliable. He’s reporting all this information. It looks alarming. We took it seriously, but we tried to vet it."

The dossier - a collection of memos compiled by an ex-British spy funded by Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign and the DNC - was used by the FBI to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to spy on Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Steele alleged that Page provided the Trump campaign a Kremlin backchannel during the election.

Baker also told Todd that he thinks the FISA warrants against Page would have been granted without the dossier, and took a pregnant pause when asked if the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants on other people - saying "I don’t think I should comment on that, I’m not sure what else the government has confirmed," and adding "I don’t want to confirm or deny anything about other potential FISA applications."

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Obama's Top FBI Lawyer Distances Himself From Steele Dossier As DOJ Investigation Looms


James Baker - the Obama FBI's top attorney (general counsel) said on Friday that he was skeptical about the Steele dossier, and "concerned" about its veracity when the agency received it prior to the 2016 US election, according to the Daily Caller's Chuck Ross.

"It was more information that we viewed, that I viewed, skeptically from the outset, and I was concerned about it and had a jaundiced eye, or looked at it with a jaundiced eye right from the outset," Baker told MSNBC's Chuck Todd, adding "Steele was and had been a source that we thought was reliable. He’s reporting all this information. It looks alarming. We took it seriously, but we tried to vet it."

The dossier - a collection of memos compiled by an ex-British spy funded by Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign and the DNC - was used by the FBI to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to spy on Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Steele alleged that Page provided the Trump campaign a Kremlin backchannel during the election.

Baker also told Todd that he thinks the FISA warrants against Page would have been granted without the dossier, and took a pregnant pause when asked if the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants on other people - saying "I don’t think I should comment on that, I’m not sure what else the government has confirmed," and adding "I don’t want to confirm or deny anything about other potential FISA applications."

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Well... If they were applied for, they were approved. You could count on one hand the amount of FISA warrants that were actually turned down since the court's creation. It's an unconstitutional rubber-stamping outfit.

If nothing else, I'm glad that this whole fiasco has brought the FISA court to the public's attention. All it is, is a court that will provide warrants that can not be legally obtained through any other court in the US.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Well... If they were applied for, they were approved. You could count on one hand the amount of FISA warrants that were actually turned down since the court's creation. It's an unconstitutional rubber-stamping outfit.

If nothing else, I'm glad that this whole fiasco has brought the FISA court to the public's attention. All it is, is a court that will provide warrants that can not be legally obtained through any other court in the US.

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Do you have facts to back up that claim? How many FISC Applications have been presented? How many FISA Warrants have been approved? How many denied/declined?

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DINA TEMPLE-RASTON, BYLINE: The criticism of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is simple: that it's a rubber stamp, and that the government always gets what it wants. And here's a number that seem to support that: 1,856. That's the number of applications presented to the court by the government last year. And it's also the number that the court approved: 100 percent success. ~Quote, Circa 2013

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Question: What percentage of FISA warrants are approved?

Answer: Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

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