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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just don't really understand the objection of Sanctuary Cities to helping more Illegal Aliens.
Their whole purpose in being Sanctuary Cities is to protect and shelter Criminals from Law Enforcement, so why are they objecting to doing it more?

Just hypocrites, virtue signalling, or something else?

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Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

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For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

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For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem. Not to mention it's petty and spiteful - qualities we might expect in a 5 year old, but not a US president. So, there's that.

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Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

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For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem.

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Originally posted by rue:
For some reason, sanctuary cities and states are critical of Trump's plan.

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For one, like so many of Trump's ideas, it doesn't actually solve the problem.

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Why doesn't it solve the problem?
Democraps get what they want. They get more Criminals raping and killing their children, more Illegal Alien Drunk Drivers killing or maiming their families. And the reasonable folk don't need to be burdened in this way.
Even though some Illegal Aliens murder multiple US Citizens, there are plenty more Illegal Aliens to replace the Democrap children, so the Democrap Voter base still increases.

Win Win for everybody, right?

And the Legal Immigrants, contributing to our society and communities, can locate to reasonable areas and vote for Patriotic candidates.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If signed it does become CA law. Maybe that's no big deal to you. As a Californian, it's a big deal to me. I personally resent my $$ going to coddle illegal aliens. Yanno - what part of illegal do people not understand?

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Trump’s decision to kill DACA — never mind the attempt to obscure things with that meaningless delay — is, first and foremost, a moral obscenity: throwing out 800,000 young people who are Americans in every way that matters, who have done nothing wrong, basically for racial reasons. But it’s also worth noting that Jeff Sessions just tried to sell it with junk economics, claiming that the Dreamers are taking American jobs. No, they aren’t, even if we leave aside the question of who’s an American. DACA is very much a boon to the rest of the U.S. population, and killing it will make everyone worse off.

To see why, first note that whatever you think about the economics of less-educated immigrants — most of the evidence suggests that they don’t depress wages, but that’s another discussion — none of it applies to DREAMers. . . .

There is no upside whatever to this cruelty, unless you just want to have fewer people with brown skin and Hispanic surnames around. Which is, of course, what this is really all about.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/the-very-bad-economics-of
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I checked just now: Republicans are Happy Trump ended DACA, but they're less sure about deporting DREAMers. That suggests "illegal alien" is a fluid concept with them.
www.npr.org/2017/09/17/551392700/republicans-are-happy-trump-ended-dac
a-they-re-less-sure-about-deporting-dreamer

Trump says Jump. His Supporters ask, How high? In the Trump era, Republicans have been revising their views on right and wrong. Are their moral convictions writ in stone? Apparently not.
www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opinion/trump-republicans.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/california-1st-state-offer-health-insura
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Yup. Paul Krugman has always been a dumb asshole.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
That must be the most insipid idea I've heard in a very long time. Not sure if I've ever even heard it before, even from the most rabidly clueless Libtards.

I would support the opposite concept, beautifully outlined by Heinlein. No voting rights until you've served in the military. IIRC, no citizenship until earned by that service, either. So no holding Federal Public Office, either.

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Yeah. I never heard it before. I just thought of it when I was replying to your post. I'd say maybe I shouldn't have said anything to put any ideas in anybodies heads, but I'm sure if I thought of it that somebody else has already thought of it too.

This is the left today. After thinking about it, doesn't it seem exactly like something they would eventually try to push through? I can't tell you how many times I hear that I shouldn't have any opinions since I didn't go to college by lefties who can't get a real job with that liberal arts degree, can't budget and are in debt up to their eyeballs.


I was actually thinking about Starship Troopers when I thought of this idea. In that movie you had basic rights and protections in whatever their government was, but you weren't actually a Citizen with full rights unless you served in the military.

I don't know if I like that idea any better.

I do think that a lot of people are unqualified to vote for a variety of reasons, but who am I to make that distinction? Would I trust anybody else with that job?

I don't agree with any of the wars we've been in during my lifetime, and nobody here would call me anything close to a Liberal. Forcing me to join the military to be able to vote would mean throwing away my own principals to participate in something that is largely a waste of time anyhow.

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Voting, we might even say, is the next to last refuge of the politically impotent. ~Neil Postman, "Amusing Ourselves To Death"

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In that instance, I would just forfeit my right to vote rather than serve in the military. The problem is that it wouldn't just end with voting. I'm sure if that were pushed through it wouldn't be long before other rights lost when you're a felon were stripped from people who didn't serve such as the right to bear arms.

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