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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We've seen it a half-dozen times already: A group of peple gets so riled about about a particular issue ... joining the EU (or not) ... the official national language ... the right to hold demonstrations ... treason as free speech ... that they're willing to tear down their own democratic institutions and overthrow a democratically-elected government ... in order to get their own way.

Usually, if you look into it, this disaffected faction has considerable help from the outside: NGOs providing publication, internet, and other media support; and even more inimical "help" such as money to organize riots and hire provocateurs etc.

But two news items, aired one after the other (Russiagate, Venezuela), alerted me to the suspicion that we may be seeing the same thing here. Not a coincidental similarity but an actual operation, run by the same people who "regime change" elsewhere for a living.

How else to account for the involvement of the FBI, CIA, and NSA? How else to account for the near-universal willingness of the media to spread outright lies?

I know that at one time I said that the banksters and other oligarchs were running out of foreign nations to plunder, and that the USA would become a target some day. I assumed that would be in the form of some sort of national bankruptcy
and IMF-imposed "austerity" program. I didn't expect our political institutions to be attacked, but I suppose that in order to plunder a nation you must first render it helpless and unable to mount a credible response.

Is that what's going on?

"The blood and the guts of average Americans are being used to grease the axles of a terrible, errible machine"

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We've seen it a half-dozen times already: A group of peple gets so riled about about a particular issue ... joining the EU (or not) ... the official national language ... the right to hold demonstrations ... treason as free speech ... that they're willing to tear down their own democratic institutions and overthrow a democratically-elected government ... in order to get their own way.

Usually, if you look into it, this disaffected faction has considerable help from the outside: NGOs providing publication, internet, and other media support; and even more inimical "help" such as money to organize riots and hire provocateurs etc.

But two news items, aired one after the other (Russiagate, Venezuela), alerted me to the suspicion that we may be seeing the same thing here. Not a coincidental similarity but an actual operation, run by the same people who "regime change" elsewhere for a living.

How else to account for the involvement of the FBI, CIA, and NSA? How else to account for the near-universal willingness of the media to spread outright lies?

I know that at one time I said that the banksters and other oligarchs were running out of foreign nations to plunder, and that the USA would become a target some day. I assumed that would be in the form of some sort of national bankruptcy
and IMF-imposed "austerity" program. I didn't expect our political institutions to be attacked, but I suppose that in order to plunder a nation you must first render it helpless and unable to mount a credible response.

Is that what's going on?

"The blood and the guts of average Americans are being used to grease the axles of a terrible, errible machine"

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Hilarious - I forget how funny you can be.

BTW - what's an "errible" machine?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We've seen it a half-dozen times already: A group of peple gets so riled about about a particular issue ... joining the EU (or not) ... the official national language ... the right to hold demonstrations ... treason as free speech ... that they're willing to tear down their own democratic institutions and overthrow a democratically-elected government ... in order to get their own way.

Usually, if you look into it, this disaffected faction has considerable help from the outside: NGOs providing publication, internet, and other media support; and even more inimical "help" such as money to organize riots and hire provocateurs etc.

But two news items, aired one after the other (Russiagate, Venezuela), alerted me to the suspicion that we may be seeing the same thing here. Not a coincidental similarity but an actual operation, run by the same people who "regime change" elsewhere for a living.

How else to account for the involvement of the FBI, CIA, and NSA? How else to account for the near-universal willingness of the media to spread outright lies?

I know that at one time I said that the banksters and other oligarchs were running out of foreign nations to plunder, and that the USA would become a target some day. I assumed that would be in the form of some sort of national bankruptcy
and IMF-imposed "austerity" program. I didn't expect our political institutions to be attacked, but I suppose that in order to plunder a nation you must first render it helpless and unable to mount a credible response.

Is that what's going on?

"The blood and the guts of average Americans are being used to grease the axles of a terrible, errible machine"

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