' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.' by reaverfan

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

When aliens are trying to figure out why humanity vanished, there will probably be a school of thought among xenoarcheologists that argues that our species was basically headed in the right direction until climate change forced us to choose on a global level between narrow self-interest and long-term planetary viability. Assuming those aliens read Slate, I invite them to consider the following seven minutes of The Daily Show:

The Daily Show Shows Why Humanity Is Doomed
https://slate.com/culture/2019/02/trevor-noah-sex-crime-roundup-epstei
n-kraft-trump-kelly-pope-church-all-of-it-basically.html
Human beings have spent a lot of time amusing ourselves with optical illusions, the places where we can see the blind spots left by the ad-hoc design of senses. We haven’t spent nearly as much time wondering if the ad-hoc design of our moral senses are steering the planet towards doom, which, in our defense, is a much less amusing proposition. But watch Trevor Noah run down a laundry list of atrocities, ending with a montage of Patriots fans who, faced with the choice between either acknowledging their responsibilities to other human beings or enjoying a football game a little more, enthusiastically opt for the football game. When it comes to measuring other people’s suffering against even the tiniest personal gain, our brains just don’t work right.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 8:26 AM

Nobody watches The Daily Show in 2019.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 8:45 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody watches The Daily Show in 2019.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ixStringJack, did you read this?

Quote:
Human beings have spent a lot of time amusing ourselves with optical illusions, the places where we can see the blind spots left by the ad-hoc design of senses. We haven’t spent nearly as much time wondering if the ad-hoc design of our moral senses are steering the planet towards doom . . .

The optical illusion is this one:

Long ago, way back in 2015, “the dress” became a polarizing viral behemoth. Like the Capulets and Montagues, the masses were split into two camps — those who looked at the dress and saw blue and black and the others who saw gold and white. They could not see eye to eye and frantically sought to understand why they saw one set of colors while others did not. Even the notoriously nonpartisan Taylor Swift broke her media silence to enter into the fray, siding with team #blackandblue.

Now, scientists say there’s a definitive explanation for the discrepancy, despite the fact that the dress is confirmed to be black and blue (nice work, Taylor).

In a new paper published in the Journal of Vision, New York University neuroscientist Pascal Wallisch, Ph.D., explains that the way a person perceives the color of the dress comes down to how they assume it is illuminated. He discovered that if people assumed the dress was lit by artificial light, they tended to think it was black and blue. However, if people believed the dress was just shadowed in natural light, they thought it was gold and white.

“Shadows are blue, so we mentally subtract the blue light in order to view the image, which then appears in bright colors — gold and white,” Wallisch explained in a statement. “However, artificial light tends to be yellowish, so if we see it brightened in this fashion, we factor out this color, leaving us with a dress that we see as a black and blue.”

Wallisch came to this conclusion after surveying 13,000 study participants who claimed to have previously seen a photo of the infamous dress about how they thought it was illuminated. Wallisch found that people who thought the dress was in a shadow were more likely to think it was gold and white.

The next part of the study was figuring out exactly why that correlation occurred. Participants were asked a variety questions about their demographic factors, such as their age and gender, and whether or not they were early risers or night owls. Interestingly, Wallisch discovered that people who preferred going to bed early and felt best in the mornings were also more likely to think the dress was white and gold. He also found that people over the age of 65 were more likely to see black and blue, though the morning/night person divide was the more influential factor.

More at www.inverse.com/article/30103-the-dress-black-blue-white-gold-illusion
-neuroscience or www.businessinsider.com/color-of-the-blue-and-black-dress-science-2015
-2

As a scientist, I would have asked: Vote for Trump or Hillary? You can tell a great deal about the accuracy of eyeballs by asking that question. (And their hearing, too.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:30 AM

EPA Adopts Fringe Science Claim That Small Doses of Pollution Are Healthy
https://www.ecowatch.com/epa-pollution-heath-2629720153.html?fbclid=Iw
AR2ma95KWkqUa6zYk7curMSU6-T3tsc_r1-9t4D-qcG87s3IyzcuppHxZ9g

Regulatory capture works.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:51 AM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
There have been many thoughtful posts in this very thread about global warming, and certainly this is a topic worthy of intelligent input. But you refuse to discuss the topic in an intelligent way. The water is right in front of you, the problem is that no one can make you drink it.

Just as there is NO having intelligent discussions with my brainwashedly religious family members about religion, there is no intelligent discussions with people here who seek to manipulate. Nothing gets past those two brain cells stuck in Narcissistic Agenda mode. I'm better off talking to the dog.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 11:57 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I don't disappear, I give up. There's no point.

Amen. I keep hoping for somewhere to go for intelligent discussions. Don't think they exist on the planet anymore, though.

Wish I knew enough about computers to start my own events discussion site.

Yeah. It's a shame that you grew up in Nilbog, IN and have an IQ of 30.

The internet was a much better place when people of your caliber weren't able to get online. It's a shame that people like me had to go and dumb everything down to the point that people like you can use it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Amen.

Once upon a time I was caught unawares regarding the redefinition of "computers." For decades I had explained to those who asked how computers worked, how they were built, etc. At some point I realized they were not asking about computers, which are the hardware. They were asking about the software, the fluid apps and programs flowing within the hardware, but confusing it with the actual computer. After that, I remembered to first clarify if they were asking about the hardware, the software, or the difference between the 2.
BungBetty is still in the confused stage.

Like Scotty using a mouse as a microphone to speak at the computer.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:06 PM

The Climate Change Paper So Depressing It's Sending People to Therapy
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vbwpdb/the-climate-change-paper-so-
depressing-its-sending-people-to-therapy?utm_source=reddit.com

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:25 PM

The Age of Catastrophism
Why Forces Welcoming Economic, Social, and Planatery Collapse Are Rising Around the Globe
https://eand.co/the-age-of-catastrophism-dcd462749c61

An interesting thing about it all, though, is that none of these collapses are what you might call. The planet isn’t melting down because a giant meteor struck it. The global economy isn’t flatlining because the harvest failed. Politics isn’t coming apart because a band of aliens shot particle beams at entire cities. Instead, what’s genuinely bizarre, weird, and gruesome, about this age of collapse is that all its collapses— every single one — are self-inflicted. They’re the products of human choice and thought and action.

If that doesn’t strike you as strange, think about the causes of previous collapses. Plague, flood, famine, pestilence. The old biblical punishments. Societies thought themselves accursed by the gods — such was the uncertain hand of fate. But our age is different. All these many forms of collapse are things that were made by us.

And yet by us, and I don’t mean you and me. I mean people I’ve come to call the catastrophists. The catastrophists are a rising force in the world. They are people who seem to welcome collapse. Who yearn and long for it. Who pine for it ardently like a long lost first love. I don’t mean that in a poetic way, but in a lethally real one. Catastrophists are people who vote for, sign up for, applaud, cheer — or worse yet, lead their societies towards collapse. The lunatics, my friends, are runnning the whole hospital.

Let’s do a few examples of catastrophists.

In America, there’s the GOP. This is a political party that’s so ignorant, so foolish, so backwards, that while the entire rest of the rich world invested in social scale public goods, like hospitals, schools, retirement, and childcare, sending everyone else’s quality of life rocketing upwards, the GOP championed something like Somalia on the Atlantic. Every man for himself?—?there shouldn’t be any such thing as government, because heaven forbid anyone should pay taxes. I guess those roads and schools built themselves, but I digress.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The Climate Change Paper So Depressing It's Sending People to Therapy
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vbwpdb/the-climate-change-paper-so-
depressing-its-sending-people-to-therapy?utm_source=reddit.com

You should follow them there. You clearly need it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 1, 2019 7:07 PM

Methane in the atmosphere is surging, and that’s got scientists worried
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/la-sci-sn-met
hane-atmosphere-accelerating-20190301-story.html

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Friday, March 1, 2019 8:02 PM

Oops. I just farted.

.......

Sorry.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:00 AM

Becoming Greta: ‘Invisible Girl’ to Global Climate Activist, With Bumps Along the Way
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/climate/greta-thunburg.html

“It’s sometimes annoying when people say, ‘Oh you children, you young people are the hope. You will save the world’” she said, after several grown-ups had told her just that. “I think it would be helpful if you could help us just a little bit.”

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Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

How do you get people to pay attention when they're so distracted by advertising, entertainment, and the circus which has been our media for the past 30 years?

I dunno.

People aren't used to thinking about BIG things. One million, one trillion ... it all sounds the same. That's why people can spend $60,000 on a car and then fret about spending $60 for dinner. We're like some primitives who dont count beyond "one two three many"; diffcult to proportion big things.

People REALLY aren't used to detecting and projecting trends. For most people, they think things will always be basically the same. And people are especially incapable of predicting hyperbolic/ non=linear change.

People's life-span is short, and memories are even shorter, it seems. But I remember whne I was young things were different ... we hadn't fished out/trashed up the ocean yet, or cut down most of the old\growth forests. I have a hard time making dear daughter understand that there was no plastic packaging when I was young.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
A Troubling Discovery in the Deepest Ocean Trenches

In the Mariana Trench, the lowest point in any ocean, every tiny animal tested had plastic pollution hiding in its gut.
Ed Yong

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/02/deepest-ocean-tren
ches-animals-eat-plastic/583657/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Saturday, March 2, 2019 9:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Just as there is NO having intelligent discussions with my brainwashedly religious family members about religion, there is no intelligent discussions with people here who seek to manipulate. Nothing gets past those two brain cells stuck in Narcissistic Agenda mode. I'm better off talking to the dog.

You might want to try and demonstrate that you are at least capable of a LITTLE intelligent discussion. Because all you've posted so far are off-topic personal insults. And looking at your posts, I'd think that people who you try and demean as having only two neurons have at least one more neuron than you.

tic tac

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Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I don't think global warming is a 'human' greed problem, nor is 'human' greed the solution. And it's not about wanting to preserve a good lifestyle. Nor is it a problem of money. Denmark, which is obviously a modern money economy with one of the highest standards of living in the world, reduced it CO2 emissions from 57.5 mmt in 2000 to 36.5 mmt in 2017. https://www.statista.com/statistics/449517/co2-emissions-denmark/

And it's not a 'population' problem. Despite having only 4% of the world's population in 2017, http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/, the US contributed 14% of CO2 emissions https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/04/interactive-chart-explains-worlds-top
-10-emitters-and-how-theyve-changed.

It's not a problem of US political parties either, since US global warming rampaged on over the decades, no matter who was in charge of the WH or Congress.

Nor is it a problem of mass perception or will. Global warming is popularly polled as the top threat by more countries than anything else internationaaly http://www.pewglobal.org/2019/02/10/climate-change-still-seen-as-the-t
op-global-threat-but-cyberattacks-a-rising-concern/ and by the vast majority of people in the US https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/global-warming-polls-pri
orities/.

The problem is that most people are obviously not living in a democracy, no matter what the CIA World Factbook says. Think about it. Would people freely choose the way they're living today if they had a real option to do something else? The reality is that despite our pretenses of being a country of, by, and for people, the people are powerless pawns.

BTW, the answer doesn't involve invoking the ego of the 1% either. We're not even people to them, and they don't give a crap what we think.

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 12:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Becoming Greta: ‘Invisible Girl’ to Global Climate Activist, With Bumps Along the Way
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/climate/greta-thunburg.html

“It’s sometimes annoying when people say, ‘Oh you children, you young people are the hope. You will save the world’” she said, after several grown-ups had told her just that. “I think it would be helpful if you could help us just a little bit.”

Self quote.

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 7:54 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Other presidents have attacked policy initiatives, but not science

New efforts by President Trump and his staff to question or undermine the established science of climate change have created a widening rift between the White House on one side, and scientific facts, government agencies, and some leading figures in the president’s own party on the other.

The president’s senior advisers are exploring the idea of creating a panel aimed at questioning the National Climate Assessment. According to a White House memo, the group would include William Happer, a Princeton physicist who has asserted that carbon dioxide — a greenhouse gas that scientists say is trapping heat and warming the planet — is beneficial to humanity.

The climate assessment, a sweeping report issued by the White House itself in November, concluded decisively that the burning of fossil fuels was warming the atmosphere, leading to a raft of harmful effects across the United States and the world.

And Mr. Trump announced last week on Twitter that he would nominate Kelly Knight Craft to be his ambassador to the United Nations. Ms. Craft said in a 2017 television interview that, on the issue of climate change, she believes there are “scientists on both sides that are accurate.” Ms. Craft's husband, Joseph W. Craft III, is a billionaire coal magnate from Kentucky.

“There is no precedent for something like this,” said Douglas Brinkley, a historian who has written books on five former United States presidents. “Other presidents have attacked policy initiatives, but not science.”

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2019/03/02/with-climate-science-on-th
e-march-an-isolated-trump-hunkers-down/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 8:00 AM

Why would you attack science.

Science is awesome!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 8:21 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why would you attack science.

Science is awesome!

Why not attack science? If you are in the coal business, you would want to politicize the science as much as possible, maximizing the public's confusion, in order to maximize the amount of coal sold to power plants that are kept open by Trump. And you'd pick a coal lobbyist to regulate pollution from coal burning: Andrew Wheeler, a former coal industry lobbyist, was confirmed as EPA Administrator on February 28, 2019.

Employment in coal mining peaked in the U.S. in 1923, at 862,536. Remember that big coal-mining comeback promised by Trump? Well, employment in the sector did go up by 400 jobs in November to an estimated 53,200, although in the grand scheme of things, even the 2,500 coal-mining jobs added since Trump took office really don’t amount to much.
www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-11/trump-s-coal-comeback-wi
ll-keep-falling-short

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What did democrats do to address global warming?

Just look at CO2 emissions over the decades. The person who actually reduced emissions was dumbya - by crashing the economy.

No democrat has made one bit of difference.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:57 PM

The Koch Brothers Are Very Proud of Getting Republicans to Destroy the Environment
https://earther.gizmodo.com/the-koch-brothers-are-very-proud-of-gettin
g-republicans-1823325220

Donald Trump Is Actively Trying to Destroy the Planet
https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trump-is-actively-trying-to-d
estroy-the-planet/

Trump administration wants to reclassify leaking nuclear waste to avoid cleaning it up, say officials
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nuclear-waste-trump-
radioactive-washington-state-hanford-atomic-bombs-a8719021.html

I'm not saying they've done enough, but the Dems aren't the ones deregulating all the polluting industries and installing climate deniers in the EPA. That's your party.

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Sunday, March 3, 2019 6:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

No democrat has made one bit of difference.

eta: I'll give you that democrats pay better lip service.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Monday, March 4, 2019 12:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
No democrat has made one bit of difference.

eta: I'll give you that democrats pay better lip service.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

STFU, you lying troll. I owned you.

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Monday, March 4, 2019 12:42 AM

"Give up the fight with evolution. It wins. The story about a human misstep in history, the imaginary point at which we could have taken a different route, is a pointless mental exercise. We are right where we were headed all along."
http://www.catherineingram.com/facingextinction/

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Monday, March 4, 2019 12:46 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
more name-calling and empty claims of victory

Do YOU see any democrat-driven reductions? I don't.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Monday, March 4, 2019 1:00 AM

I already beat you bloody on that point. Stop sealioning, Russian troll.

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Monday, March 4, 2019 1:18 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oh, I'm sure democrats whine more and opine more - but what have they actually accomplished?

Do YOU see any democrat-driven reductions? I don't.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Monday, March 4, 2019 8:12 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh, I'm sure democrats whine more and opine more - but what have they actually accomplished?

Do YOU see any democrat-driven reductions? I don't.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

Hello to all Russian trolls. The repeal fulfills a promise President Trump made to eradicate his predecessor’s environmental legacy:

78 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules
-reversed.html

E.P.A. Announces Repeal of Major Obama-Era Carbon Emissions Rule
www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 4, 2019 8:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hello to all Russian trolls.

Uh oh.

Looks like maybe Second drank the kool-aid finally too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 4, 2019 8:50 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hello to all Russian trolls.

Uh oh.

Looks like maybe Second drank the kool-aid finally too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I hope you are unaware that 1kiki's signature is And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

It is a Russian tactic to spread the notion/claim that both sides in American politics are equally bad.
www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2018/10/03/458841/ori
gins-russias-broad-political-assault-united-states/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 4, 2019 9:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
"Give up the fight with evolution. It wins. The story about a human misstep in history, the imaginary point at which we could have taken a different route, is a pointless mental exercise. We are right where we were headed all along."
http://www.catherineingram.com/facingextinction/

This may be the best essay I've read on the topic.

She's a little off on the Yellow Vest protests, but that's a minor quibble. It shows the how and why.

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Monday, March 4, 2019 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hello to all Russian trolls.

Uh oh.

Looks like maybe Second drank the kool-aid finally too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I hope you are unaware that 1kiki's signature is And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

It is a Russian tactic to spread the notion/claim that both sides in American politics are equally bad.
www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2018/10/03/458841/ori
gins-russias-broad-political-assault-united-states/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

They are.

I'm not Russian.

I was also saying so when GWB was in office. Back when nobody cared about Russia.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 4, 2019 11:55 AM

The Shells of Wild Sea Butterflies Are Already Dissolving
This long-predicted outcome of ocean acidification experiments has started showing up in the wild.
https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/the-shells-of-wild-sea-butterflies-
are-already-dissolving/

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Monday, March 4, 2019 12:00 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm not Russian.

I was also saying so when GWB was in office. Back when nobody cared about Russia.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You expect too much from government. I found an explanation of why people have such ridiculously oversized, impractical expectations of what politicians can do but not about what they can do for themselves. They are too easy on themselves and too hard on politicians: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=10709
78#1070978

I forgot to mention that when Bush was governor of Texas, he was already a liar and that he would destroy his Texas National Guard service records using his power as governor. It was no surprise he would lie about Iraq's non-existing WMDs. It was definitely no surprise that when he was warned about the possibility of a 9/11 attack he would say, “All right, you’ve covered your ass now” and then he did nothing because he is fundamentally good-for-nothing. The next GOP President would be lazier and more dishonest, making Bush look good in comparison, but both Bush and Trump were climate change deniers while in the White House.
http://econbrowser.com/archives/2017/01/when-last-a-president-ignored-
an-intelligence-briefing

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 4, 2019 1:03 PM

Endangered orangutans 'doomed to extinction' as Chinese-built hydro dam set to rip through habitat - The Tapanuli orangutan was discovered in 2017 and fewer than 800 are believed to exist
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/orangutans-endangered-hydro-
dam-habitat-a8806676.html?utm_source=reddit.com

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Monday, March 4, 2019 1:43 PM

Heatwaves sweeping oceans ‘like wildfires’, scientists reveal
Extreme temperatures destroy kelp, seagrass and corals – with alarming impacts for humanity
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/04/heatwaves-sweeping
-oceans-like-wildfires-scientists-reveal?

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:02 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

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Originally posted by second:
I hope you are unaware that 1kiki's signature is And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

It is a Russian tactic to spread the notion/claim that both sides in American politics are equally bad.
www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2018/10/03/458841/ori
gins-russias-broad-political-assault-united-states/

Perhaps you can point to those wondrous greenhouse-gas reductions the democrats accomplished.

But, you obviously CAN'T show how the democrats actually DID something - no matter how minimal - to irl, yanno, fix the problem..

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:21 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

btw, I sort-of agree with shf - I think we're probably toast. And a long time ago I said my goodbyes to the wonderful earth I used to know. Even if we survive, nothing is going to be as beautiful and generous as it was. Or as Monbiot said, 'goodbye kind earth'.

I just am extremely irritated by our resident idiots who think that Trump caused the entire global warming problem all by himself in just the last 2 years. REALLY? What kind of an idiotic nutcase do you have to be to think that?

Unless you understand that the entire political structure - that's BOTH parties, in case anyone is wondering - is shackled to our current economic structure and its elite - nothing is going to get fixed. Changing the face of the figurehead will accomplish zero.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:29 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

I just am extremely irritated by our resident idiots who think that Trump caused the entire global warming problem all by himself in just the last 2 years. REALLY? What kind of an idiotic nutcase do you have to be to think that?

Unless you understand that the entire political structure - that's BOTH parties, in case anyone is wondering - is shackled to our current economic structure and its elite - nothing is going to get fixed. Changing the face of the figurehead will accomplish zero.

Trump promised to his voters, not to "our current economic structure", to eradicate Obama’s environmental legacy. He delivered on his promises to his voters:

78 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules
-reversed.html

E.P.A. Announces Repeal of Major Obama-Era Carbon Emissions Rule
www.nytimes.com/2017/10/09/climate/clean-power-plan.html

Trump’s Paris Agreement withdrawal announcement
https://climateanalytics.org/briefings/fact-check-trumps-paris-agreeme
nt-withdrawal-announcement/

Rue, you disappeared for 8 years. Why did you decide to come back now? Your previous post was February 28, 2011. http://fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=6022 And why are you posting 1kiki's graphics and repeating 1kiki's arguments? Two people, rue/1kiki, repeating the same falsehoods about Democrats being the same as Republicans doesn't make it true.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:42 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

I just am extremely irritated by our resident idiots who think that Trump caused the entire global warming problem all by himself in just the last 2 years. REALLY? What kind of an idiotic nutcase do you have to be to think that?

What kind of an idiotic nutcase would say someone here said: "Trump caused the entire global warming problem all by himself in just the last 2 years." Any names?

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:44 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Rue, you disappeared for 8 years. Why did you decide to come back now? Your previous post was February 28, 2011. http://fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=6022 And why are you posting 1kiki's graphics and repeating 1kiki's arguments? Two people, rue/1kiki, repeating the same falsehoods about Democrats being the same as Republicans doesn't make it true.

They are one and the same. They also share the inability to read a chart - I guess math is hard for them.

I suspect from Kiki's latest posts that her agitation scheme & pimpin' for Donnie 2020 has shifted into high gear.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 12:55 PM

Earth's fine. You can all stop worrying.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:24 PM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Why did you decide to come back now?"

new os new browser new (old) email address new software - which is why I was offline for a few weeks as 1kiki and came back under my new (old) email address as rue

I would have created a new account under 1kiki but was locked in to my old persona by the new (old) email address

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:40 PM

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"Trump promised to his voters, not to "our current economic structure", to eradicate Obama’s environmental legacy."

Well, THIS is a bit inscrutable.

But what WAS Obama’s environmental legacy, anyway? I see dubya's inadvertent contribution to reducing greenhouse gas emissions (by crashing the economy) - but Obama's? Close to status quo.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-02/documents/us-ghg-in
ventory-2019-chapter-2-trends.pdf

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 2:21 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"Trump promised to his voters, not to "our current economic structure", to eradicate Obama’s environmental legacy."

Well, THIS is a bit inscrutable.

But what WAS Obama’s environmental legacy, anyway? I see dubya's inadvertent contribution to reducing greenhouse gas emissions (by crashing the economy) - but Obama's? Close to status quo.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2019-02/documents/us-ghg-in
ventory-2019-chapter-2-trends.pdf

You are not even trying. Remember this? Trump’s Paris Agreement withdrawal announcement
https://climateanalytics.org/briefings/fact-check-trumps-paris-agreeme
nt-withdrawal-announcement/

Nobody else in the World withdrew from that Agreement. Only Trump. Staying in the Agreement does not magically win the war against climate change, as Obama well knew because the GOP was preventing every change to national policy it can. Trump takes it to the next level, he doesn't even believe there is such a thing as climate change. His withdrawal from the Agreement does guarantee the U.S. government will not be fighting that war. He is a conscientious objector to war, he has a medical deferment because of his bone spurs. Places like California must fight the war without Washington DC help. Or DC money. Trump will not sign a spending bill that includes money to fight climate change.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 3:58 PM

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Paris Agreement

Quote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-did-us-agree-to-paris-climate-dea
l-2017-5
In December 2015 ...

nearly at the end of two terms in office

Quote:
... Obama signed an executive order confirming the US's adoption of the agreement, but he didn't submit it to Congress for approval. That's how Trump is able to "cancel" the US's commitment to the accord.

So Obama didn't REALLY commit the US to the accord. 'Cause, yanno - executive order.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 7:15 PM

Congress is still controlled by Koch puppets. Climate deniers.

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Tuesday, March 5, 2019 9:18 PM