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Trump's Budget
Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:18 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: New report today from BEA. This is for the Quarter ending with June. Updating some figures. This data does appear to be listed under Calendar Year Quarters as opposed to Fiscal Year Quarters elsewhere. Yes, this is Table.1.1.5 (use the Modify button to adjust dates) at this link: https://bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm? Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm Guess I need to specify Table 1.1.5. This GDP data is from BEA News Release Archives. Current-Dollar GDP. I noticed a trend among the BEA data. The figures from BEA do not match other info. But they make monthly reports, each Quarter has an Advanced Estimate, then 2nd Estimate, then 3rd Estimate, before the final figure. FY2015Q1, Cal YRQ4 17,710.7 17,701.3 17,703.7 17,703.7 --07.0 FY2015Q2, Cal YRQ1 17,710.0 17,665.0 17,693.3 17,649.3 --60.7 FY2015Q3, Cal YRQ2 17,840.5 17,902.0 17,913.7 17,913.7 +73.2 FY2015Q4, Cal YRQ3 18,034.8 18,064.7 18,060.2 18,060.2 +25.4 FY2016Q1, Cal YRQ4 18,128.2 18,148.4 18,164.8 18,164.8 +36.6 FY2016Q2, Cal YRQ1 18,221.1 18,229.5 18,230.1 18,281.6 +60.5 FY2016Q3, Cal YRQ2 18,437.6 18,436.5 18,450.1 18,450.1 +12.5 FY2016Q4, Cal YRQ3 18,651.2 18,657.9 18,675.3 18,675.3 +24.1 FY2017Q1, Cal YRQ4 18,860.8 18,855.5 18,869.4 18,905.5 +44.7 FY2017Q2, Cal YRQ1 19,007.3 19,027.6 19,027.1 19,057.7 +50.4 FY2017Q3, Cal YRQ2 19,226.7 19,246.7 19,250.0 19.250.0 +23.3 FY2017Q4, Cal YRQ3 19,495.5 19,509.0 19,500.6 19,500.6 +05.1 FY2018Q1, Cal YRQ4 19,738.9 19,736.5 19,754.1 19,754.1 +15.2 FY2018Q2, Cal YRQ1 19,965.3 19,956.8 19,960.1 (19963.3)-2.0 FY2018Q3, Cal YRQ1(20334.2) gain 370.9 Now placing equivalent figures in parentheses, following 27 July 2018 revisions. Quote: Display stabilization row: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXX FY2000 Q1 09926.1 Q2 10031.0 Q3 10278.3 Q4 10357.4 FY 10148.2 FY2001 Q1 10472.3 Q2 10508.1 Q3 10638.4 Q4 10639.5 FY 10564.6 FY2002 Q1 10701.3 Q2 10834.4 Q3 10924.8 Q4 11037.1 FY 10876.9 FY2003 Q1 11103.8 Q2 11230.1 Q3 11370.7 Q4 11625.1 FY 11332.4 FY2004 Q1 11816.7 Q2 11988.4 Q3 12181.4 Q4 12367.7 FY 12088.6 FY2005 Q1 12562.2 Q2 12813.7 Q3 12974.1 Q4 13205.4 FY 12888.9 FY2006 Q1 13381.6 Q2 13648.9 Q3 13799.8 Q4 13908.5 FY 13684.7 FY2007 Q1 14066.4 Q2 14233.2 Q3 14422.3 Q4 14569.7 FY 14322.9 FY2008 Q1 14685.3 Q2 14668.4 Q3 14813.0 Q4 14843.0 FY 14752.4 FY2009 Q1 14549.9 Q2 14383.9 Q3 14340.4 Q4 14384.1 FY 14414.6 FY2010 Q1 14566.5 Q2 14681.1 Q3 14888.6 Q4 15057.7 FY 14798.5 FY2011 Q1 15230.2 Q2 15238.4 Q3 15460.9 Q4 15587.1 FY 15379.1 FY2012 Q1 15785.3 Q2 15973.9 Q3 16121.9 Q4 16227.9 FY 16027.2 FY2013 Q1 16297.7 Q2 16475.4 Q3 16541.4 Q4 16749.3 FY 16515.9 FY2014 Q1 16999.9 Q2 17031.3 Q3 17320.9 Q4 17622.3 FY 17243.6 FY2015 Q1 17735.9 Q2 17874.7 Q3 18093.2 Q4 18227.7 FY 17982.9 FY2016 Q1 18287.2 Q2 18325.2 Q3 18538.0 Q4 18729.1 FY 18469.9 FY2017 Q1 18905.5 Q2 19057.7 Q3 19250.0 Q4 19500.6 FY 19178.4 FY2018 Q1 19754.1 Q2 est3 19960.1 trending FY 20101 - 4.9% FY2018 Q1 19754.1 Q2(19963.3)Q3(20324.8) (advanced est) Calendar Year 2017 GDP was 19,391 according to CBO. $19,390.6 from above.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm Guess I need to specify Table 1.1.5. This GDP data is from BEA News Release Archives. Current-Dollar GDP. I noticed a trend among the BEA data. The figures from BEA do not match other info. But they make monthly reports, each Quarter has an Advanced Estimate, then 2nd Estimate, then 3rd Estimate, before the final figure.
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Quote:Quote: This data meshes well. Taking the average of the 4 FY Quarters produces the FY figure listed by Treasury, except for FY 2017. This is because each quarter has the data multiplied by 4, to present as a full year's rate. Something to note: Obama constantly projected that he would generate repeated increases to GDP of over $1 Trillion from one year to the next. Yet Obamanomics never allowed growth like that to occur. Not one single year did the GDP grow by $1 Trillion. Not during Obamanomics, nor ever before. But Trump is on pace to accomplish this feat, in only his very first full year - even though Obama's overly optimistic predictions did not identify it would be possible this soon. Peak Quarters of growth: (including all-time Top 10 prior to Trump) 361.5 FY2018 Q3 (new data) 322.9 FY2014 Q3 294.0 FY2014 Q4 271.6 FY2006 Q2 254.4 FY2003 Q4 250.9 FY2015 Q3 244.8 FY2000 Q3 243.7 FY2018 Q1 238.9 FY2005 Q2 234.4 FY2014 Q1 232.9 FY2005 Q4 231.6 FY2016 Q3 229.0 FY2017 Q4 Quote: 301.4 FY2014 Q4 289.6 FY2014 Q3 267.3 FY2006 Q2 254.4 FY2003 Q4 253.5 FY2018 Q1 251.5 FY2005 Q2 250.6 FY2014 Q1 250.6 FY2017 Q4 247.3 FY2000 Q3 231.3 FY2005 Q3 218.5 FY2015 Q3 212.8 FY2016 Q3 Clearly, 2nd Quarters are a tough nut to crack. So here are top Q2s: 267.3 FY2006 Q2 251.5 FY2005 Q2 209.2 FY2018 Q2 (new data) 188.6 FY2012 Q2 183.4 FY2017 Q2 (new data) 177.7 FY2013 Q2 171.7 FY2004 Q2 166.8 FY2007 Q2 152.2 FY2017 Q2 With revised data of July 2018: 271.6 FY2006 Q2 238.9 FY2005 Q2 223.3 FY2012 Q2 210.7 FY2013 Q2 209.2 FY2018 Q2 183.4 FY2017 Q2 171.4 FY2007 Q2 150.9 FY2004 Q2 Quote: Trump is color coded Orange. Bush is color coded Green. Peak 4 Quarter cycles of growth: 1,0434.4 FY2017Q4 - 18Q3 (est) (new data) 878.4 FY2017Q3 - 18Q2 (new data) 871.1 FY2014Q1-4 (new data) 867.5 FY2014Q3 - 15Q2 852.6 FY2017Q2 - 18Q1 842.6 FY2005Q3 - 06Q2 841.1 FY2004Q3 - 05Q2 839.8 FY2005Q4 - 06Q3 839.6 FY2005Q1-4 814.4 FY2018Q1-3 - only first 3 Quarters. 809.9 FY2005Q2 - 06Q1 801.0 FY2004Q4 - 05Q3 796.1 FY2003Q4 - 04Q3 795.5 FY2014Q3 - 15Q3 788.5 FY2017Q1-4 787.9 FY2013Q3 - 14Q3 753.5 FY2016Q3 - 17Q2 753.1 FY2004Q2 - 05Q1 736.7 FY2003Q3 - 04Q2 736.0 FY2004Q1-4 734.0 FY2011Q3 - 12Q2 724.6 FY2006Q1-4 724.2 FY2013Q2 - 14Q1 718.4 FY2016Q4 - 17Q3 704.9 FY2006Q2 - 07Q1 Quote: 902.4 FY2017Q3 - 18Q2 (est3) 873.0 FY2014Q1-4 848.6 FY2017Q2 - 18Q1 843.4 FY2014Q3 - 15Q2 837.7 FY2005Q1-4 825.3 FY2004Q3 - 05Q2 819.4 FY2005Q2 - 06Q1 810.7 FY2003Q4 - 04Q3 792.7 FY2004Q4 - 05Q3 779.5 FY2013Q4 - 14Q3 772.3 FY2014Q4 - 15Q3 771.5 FY2017Q1-4 758.3 FY2003Q3 - 04Q2 745.4 FY2004Q2 - 05Q1 742.6 FY2004Q1-4 736.0 FY2014Q2 - 15Q1 735.5 FY2011Q3 - 12Q2 735.2 FY2005Q3 - 06Q2 732.5 FY2016Q3 - 17Q2 713.0 FY2003Q2 - 04Q1 712.0 FY2016Q4 - 17Q3 So far, every single 4-Quarter cycle which has ended with Trump has been above $710 Billion GDP growth, all 5 Quarters to date. Of Obama's 32 Quarters, only 6 did so well. Of Bush's 32 Quarters, 10 did so well, when the GDP was a smaller size and before Obamanomics had devalued the U.S. Dollar. Next GDP report is 29 August. So it looks clear that Trump is the only President to accomplish more than $900 Billion of GDP Growth in any 4-Quarter period. And he did it in only his very first full 4 Quarters. Apparently some here claim that this must be attributed to Bush43 - but most reasonable people can see that is fallacy. Well, today all the numbers changed, so they won't mesh with the previous data. Seems they recalculated current dollars. Regardless, we can still see that this past Quarter is the highest growth figure, ever. And the 4-Quarter cycle is the first ever to top $1 Trillion. Plus, the Quarterly increase is double what most have predicted.One thing resonates at this point: having the data posted like so far in this thread can be important, because now all of that source data is erased, as far as the Internet is concerned, it never existed.
Quote: This data meshes well. Taking the average of the 4 FY Quarters produces the FY figure listed by Treasury, except for FY 2017. This is because each quarter has the data multiplied by 4, to present as a full year's rate. Something to note: Obama constantly projected that he would generate repeated increases to GDP of over $1 Trillion from one year to the next. Yet Obamanomics never allowed growth like that to occur. Not one single year did the GDP grow by $1 Trillion. Not during Obamanomics, nor ever before. But Trump is on pace to accomplish this feat, in only his very first full year - even though Obama's overly optimistic predictions did not identify it would be possible this soon. Peak Quarters of growth: (including all-time Top 10 prior to Trump)
Quote: 301.4 FY2014 Q4 289.6 FY2014 Q3 267.3 FY2006 Q2 254.4 FY2003 Q4 253.5 FY2018 Q1 251.5 FY2005 Q2 250.6 FY2014 Q1 250.6 FY2017 Q4 247.3 FY2000 Q3 231.3 FY2005 Q3 218.5 FY2015 Q3 212.8 FY2016 Q3 Clearly, 2nd Quarters are a tough nut to crack. So here are top Q2s: 267.3 FY2006 Q2 251.5 FY2005 Q2 209.2 FY2018 Q2 (new data) 188.6 FY2012 Q2 183.4 FY2017 Q2 (new data) 177.7 FY2013 Q2 171.7 FY2004 Q2 166.8 FY2007 Q2 152.2 FY2017 Q2
Quote: Trump is color coded Orange. Bush is color coded Green. Peak 4 Quarter cycles of growth:
Quote: 902.4 FY2017Q3 - 18Q2 (est3) 873.0 FY2014Q1-4 848.6 FY2017Q2 - 18Q1 843.4 FY2014Q3 - 15Q2 837.7 FY2005Q1-4 825.3 FY2004Q3 - 05Q2 819.4 FY2005Q2 - 06Q1 810.7 FY2003Q4 - 04Q3 792.7 FY2004Q4 - 05Q3 779.5 FY2013Q4 - 14Q3 772.3 FY2014Q4 - 15Q3 771.5 FY2017Q1-4 758.3 FY2003Q3 - 04Q2 745.4 FY2004Q2 - 05Q1 742.6 FY2004Q1-4 736.0 FY2014Q2 - 15Q1 735.5 FY2011Q3 - 12Q2 735.2 FY2005Q3 - 06Q2 732.5 FY2016Q3 - 17Q2 713.0 FY2003Q2 - 04Q1 712.0 FY2016Q4 - 17Q3 So far, every single 4-Quarter cycle which has ended with Trump has been above $710 Billion GDP growth, all 5 Quarters to date. Of Obama's 32 Quarters, only 6 did so well. Of Bush's 32 Quarters, 10 did so well, when the GDP was a smaller size and before Obamanomics had devalued the U.S. Dollar. Next GDP report is 29 August. So it looks clear that Trump is the only President to accomplish more than $900 Billion of GDP Growth in any 4-Quarter period. And he did it in only his very first full 4 Quarters. Apparently some here claim that this must be attributed to Bush43 - but most reasonable people can see that is fallacy. Well, today all the numbers changed, so they won't mesh with the previous data. Seems they recalculated current dollars. Regardless, we can still see that this past Quarter is the highest growth figure, ever. And the 4-Quarter cycle is the first ever to top $1 Trillion. Plus, the Quarterly increase is double what most have predicted.
Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:18 AM
Thursday, September 13, 2018 11:49 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 11:06 AM
THG
Monday, September 24, 2018 11:38 AM
REAVERFAN
Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:10 PM
Tuesday, October 9, 2018 10:48 PM
Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Today CBO released its Analysis of Trump's FY2019 Federal Budget. To reconcile it's prior projections with Reality it had to begrudgingly increase the Revenues, decrease the Outlays, Deficit, and Debt, and increase the GDP - at least for FY2018. And these revisions are compared to the delusions they persisted with as of LAST MONTH, or 7 weeks ago. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53884 The CBO report is from April 2018, which was delayed from January due to the legislation passed in November 2017, February, March 2018. It only includes non-legislative factors up to mid-February. It is https://www.cbo.gov/publication/53651 For comparison, I'll post on the same Table as Trump's projections.
Quote: In the left section, Trump's Budget, compared to Obama projections: The Revenue projections are reduced from the exaggerated amounts Obama assumed. Deficits upcoming are increased due to more realistic projections. For 2017 the figures were updated from Obama's base projections and last year corrections. Trump's GDP is revised up, and Expenditures are revised down. Trump's Budget accumulates $8.632 Trillion in Deficits by 2028. Indicating the Federal Debt would add about $13 Trillion in that period. Which holds true to historical practice. Democrats always exaggerate or overestimate Revenues and downplay or underestimate Expenditures, and Conservative Republicans always underestimate Revenue projections and overestimate Expenditure projections (but Democrats then find some pork to fill in the difference). In the middle section, the CBO projections: The Liberal biased practices of the CBO bloat the Expenditures, and undervalue the Revenues and long-term GDP, thus exaggerate the Deficits. The GDP in the short term is more because even the Liberal bias was unable to deny the reality of Trump's Fiscal Policies and subsequent GDP growth. The CBO projections bloat the accumulative Deficits to $13.888 Trillion by 2028. Indicating the Federal Debt would add about $20 Trillion in that period - practically doubling from it's current level. Which would exaggerate by $7 Trillion what Trump's Budget projected, or about 150% The section to the right is the CBO Analysis of Trump's Budget. The CBO Analysis projects $11.033 Trillion accumulated Deficits by 2028. Indicating the Federal Debt would add about $16 Trillion in that period. Which trims off about $4 Trillion of their own exaggeration from only 7 weeks before - more than half of their bloated figures. Because the numbers from BEA are not used in the President's Federal Budget during this century, the relevant figures had to be interpolated. For this reason the 20,029 would be replaced by 20,103. An increase of $74 Billion for 2018. I will attempt to revise the data with this new data bump, using a linear increase to GDP. Then a corresponding change to Revenue. And a corresponding change to the reduction in Debt Service.
Quote: This GDP bump results in a projected reduction of $1.246 Trillion in the Federal Debt during the 11 years from 2018-2028. And I will also show a revised table using a continued increase in GDP, not to exceed the peak growth rate of 2006-2018.
Quote: This method of GDP projection results in a total of $2.032 Trillion less Federal Debt thru the years 2018-2028. Well, that link at the top of this post does not correlate to the data from any of the past 2 dozen Budget statements. But it does provide link to source data at BEA, which includes the report from 27 April, showing that Personal Taxes at the end of March 2018 (Tax Reform Rates) is about the same as the end of August 2017 (Obamanomics Tax Rates).
Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: In another thread, some moron is yakking about how Debt Growth under Obamanomics is so much bestest and gooder than anybody else. So I'll try to post some facts here, changing data columns from a prior post. I keep Forgetting how convoluted, twisted, and fabricated the figures are regarding the Federal Debt. So I will lay out some more data, for reference. This helps show that, although the Rock-The-Vote Democraps doubled the Deficit in FY2008, Obama still only inherited a Debt about 2/3 of the GDP, and then was able to, in a few short years, push the Federal Debt over the GDP by 2012, and grew the excess to more than $1 Trillion over the GDP. Once upon a time, reasonable people explained that a Debt larger than GDP was not a sustainable situation, and then Obamanomics took us there. And then after FY2012 ended, he was reelected to make the Economy even worse. While simultaneously bloating the Debt even further. Obviously, CBO uses Libtard projection practices, so score any reasonable Budget with less Revenue, more Outlays, more Deficit, and lower GDP. CBO scores delusional Libtard Budgets with exaggerated Revenue and GDP, and overly optimisticly low Outlays and Deficit.
Quote: It looks fairly clear that the Spending Spree was kicked off with the Rock-The-Vote Democrap FY2008 Budget. And then it was a runaway with Obama.
Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:33 AM
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Friday, October 26, 2018 12:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: This is a repost from 18 May, with Budget Deficit, Actual Deficit, Federal Debt, and GDP. The Excess column is the amount the Debt exceeds the GDP. I keep Forgetting how convoluted, twisted, and fabricated the figures are regarding the Federal Debt. The Gross Federal Debt, the Public Federal Debt, and the annual Deficits of the Federal Budgets do not add up, even when all are on the Fiscal Year cycle. OMB, CBO, Treasury, BEA, use different data, often not meshing. So I will lay out some more data, for reference. This helps show that, although the Rock-The-Vote Democraps doubled the Deficit in FY2008, Obama still only inherited a Debt about 2/3 of the GDP, and then was able to, in a few short years, push the Federal Debt over the GDP by 2012, and grew the excess to more than $1 Trillion over the GDP. Once upon a time, reasonable people explained that a Debt larger than GDP was not a sustainable situation, and then Obamanomics took us there. And then after FY2012 ended, he was reelected to make the Economy even worse. While simultaneously bloating the Debt even further. Obviously, CBO uses Libtard projection practices, so score any reasonable Budget with less Revenue, more Outlays, more Deficit, and lower GDP. CBO scores delusional Libtard Budgets with exaggerated Revenue and GDP, and overly optimisticly low Outlays and Deficit. Federal Debt data is from U.S. Treasury. Using Gross Federal Debt. For the section to the right, the columns are FY Increase to the Federal Debt (aka THE REAL FEDERAL DEFICIT), FY Gross Federal Debt, FY National GDP, the amount the Debt Exceeds the GDP. For reference, here is the CBO Historical Budget data:
Quote:Once I add in FY2018 figures, we should see that with Deficit growth slowing, GDP growth exploding, the Excess will be well under $1 Trillion for the first time since Obama raced to get there. Compared to the Brink of Economic Nightmare Horror that Obama brought us to, this now shows promise, hope, a light at the end of the tunnel, and a reversal of the path we were on. Obama's trajectory has been Trumped.
Thursday, November 8, 2018 2:48 AM
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Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:38 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Word on the street is they're talking about layoffs where I work. It would explain the poisonous attitude around my work that just came out of the blue. I'm not really worried about it because the store would have to close for them to get rid of me. Besides, at what I make it wouldn't take much to find a comparable job somewhere else. I do hope they're just rumors though. I quite like the job now that I've set myself up like I have. Really don't want to spend another year somewhere else doing it all again from scratch. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, November 14, 2018 12:36 AM
Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Word on the street is they're talking about layoffs where I work. It would explain the poisonous attitude around my work that just came out of the blue. I'm not really worried about it because the store would have to close for them to get rid of me. Besides, at what I make it wouldn't take much to find a comparable job somewhere else. I do hope they're just rumors though. I quite like the job now that I've set myself up like I have. Really don't want to spend another year somewhere else doing it all again from scratch. Do Right, Be Right. :)Well, they gotta prep for that Market drop that you just voted for.
Wednesday, November 28, 2018 4:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: This data does appear to be listed under Calendar Year Quarters as opposed to Fiscal Year Quarters elsewhere. Yes, this is Table.1.1.5 (use the Modify button to adjust dates) at this link: https://bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm? This GDP data is from BEA News Release Archives. Current-Dollar GDP. I noticed a trend among the BEA data. The figures from BEA do not match other info. But they make monthly reports, each Quarter has an Advanced Estimate, then 2nd Estimate, then 3rd Estimate, before the final figure.
Quote: This data meshes well. Taking the average of the 4 FY Quarters produces the FY figure listed by Treasury, except for FY 2017. This is because each quarter has the data multiplied by 4, to present as a full year's rate. Something to note: Obama constantly projected that he would generate repeated increases to GDP of over $1 Trillion from one year to the next. Yet Obamanomics never allowed growth like that to occur. Not one single year did the GDP grow by $1 Trillion. Not during Obamanomics, nor ever before. But Trump is on pace to accomplish this feat, in only his very first full year - even though Obama's overly optimistic predictions did not identify it would be possible this soon.
Quote: So far, every single 4-Quarter cycle which has ended with Trump has been above $710 Billion GDP growth, all 7 Quarters to date. Of Obama's 32 Quarters, only 6 did so well. Of Bush's 32 Quarters, 11 did so well, when the GDP was a smaller size and before Obamanomics had devalued the U.S. Dollar. So it looks clear that Trump is the only President to accomplish more than $900 Billion of GDP Growth in any 4-Quarter period. And he did it in only his very first full 4 Quarters. Apparently some here claim that this must be attributed to Bush43 - but most reasonable people can see that is fallacy. Regardless, we can still see that this past Quarter is the highest growth figure, ever. And the 4-Quarter cycle is the first and second ever to top $1 Trillion. Plus, the Quarterly increase is double what most have predicted.
Monday, December 24, 2018 2:24 PM
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Wednesday, February 6, 2019 5:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The GDP Update from BEA was scheduled to be released yesterday, but has been delayed due to Pelosi's Government Shutdown.
Friday, February 8, 2019 3:36 AM
Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:15 PM
Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Updated with today's FY GDP figure: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: This is a repost from 18 May, with Budget Deficit, Actual Deficit, Federal Debt, and GDP. The Excess column is the amount the Debt exceeds the GDP. I keep Forgetting how convoluted, twisted, and fabricated the figures are regarding the Federal Debt. The Gross Federal Debt, the Public Federal Debt, and the annual Deficits of the Federal Budgets do not add up, even when all are on the Fiscal Year cycle. OMB, CBO, Treasury, BEA, use different data, often not meshing. So I will lay out some more data, for reference. This helps show that, although the Rock-The-Vote Democraps doubled the Deficit in FY2008, Obama still only inherited a Debt about 2/3 of the GDP, and then was able to, in a few short years, push the Federal Debt over the GDP by 2012, and grew the excess to more than $1 Trillion over the GDP. Once upon a time, reasonable people explained that a Debt larger than GDP was not a sustainable situation, and then Obamanomics took us there. And then after FY2012 ended, he was reelected to make the Economy even worse. While simultaneously bloating the Debt even further. Obviously, CBO uses Libtard projection practices, so score any reasonable Budget with less Revenue, more Outlays, more Deficit, and lower GDP. CBO scores delusional Libtard Budgets with exaggerated Revenue and GDP, and overly optimisticly low Outlays and Deficit. Federal Debt data is from U.S. Treasury. Using Gross Federal Debt. For the section to the right, the columns are FY Increase to the Federal Debt (aka THE REAL FEDERAL DEFICIT), FY Gross Federal Debt, FY National GDP, the amount the Debt Exceeds the GDP. For reference, here is the CBO Historical Budget data: FscYr Revenues Outlays FedDeficit || DebtInc Fedrl Debt FY NatGDP Excess (EST) $ 3,328 B $ 4,110 B $ 782 B || $~ 782 B $~ 20,988 $20,210.9B $~777 B 2017 $3316.2B $3981.6B $665.4B || $666.2B $20,205.7 $19,177.2B 1028.5B 2016 $3268.0B $3852.6B $584.7B || 1419.4B $19,539.5 $18,469.9B 1069.6B 2015 $3249.9B $3688.4B $438.5B || $325.6B $18,120.1 $17,982.9B $137.2B 2014 $3021.5B $3506.1B $484.6B || 1075.1B $17,794.5 $17,243.6B $550.9B 2013 $2775.1B $3454.6B $679.5B || $668.5B $16,719.4 $16,515.9B $203.5B 2012 $2450.0B $3536.9B 1087.0B || 1286.7B $16,050.9 $16,027.2B $023.7B 2011 $2303.5B $3603.1B 1299.6B || 1235.4B $14,764.2 $15,379.2B 2010 $2162.7B $3457.1B 1294.4B || 1652.9B $13,528.8 $14,798.5B 2009 $2105.0B $3517.7B 1412.7B || 1889.8B $11,875.9 $14,414.6B 2008 $2524.0B $2982.5B $458.6B || 1035.4B $09,986.1 $14,752.4B 2007 $2568.0B $2728.7B $160.7B || $499.3B $08,950.7 $14,322.9B 2006 $2406.9B $2655.1B $248.2B || $546.1B $08,451.4 $13,684.7B 2005 $2153.6B $2472.0B $318.3B || $550.6B $07,905.3 $12,888.9B 2004 $1880.1B $2292.8B $412.7B || $594.7B $07,354.7 $12,088.6B 2003 $1782.3B $2159.9B $377.6B || $561.6B $06,760.0 $11,332.4B 2002 $1853.6B $2010.9B $157.8B || $428.5B $06,198.4 $10,876.9B 2001 $1991.1B $1862.8B +128.2B || $141.2B $05,769.9 $10,564.6B 2000 $2025.2B $1789.0B +236.2B || $023.2B $05,628.7 $10,148.2B 1999 $1827.5B $1701.8B +125.6B || $127.3B $05,605.5 $09,510.5B 1998 $1721.7B $1652.5B +069.3B || $109.0B $05,478.2 $08,954.8B 1997 $1579.2B $1601.1B $021.9B || $187.7B $05,369.2 $08,483.2B 1996 $1453.1B $1560.5B $107.4B || $260.9B $05,181.5 $07,978.3B 1995 $1351.8B $1515.7B $164.0B || $277.3B $04,920.6 $07,583.4B Display stabilization row: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Tuesday, February 12, 2019 11:27 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Bump for Sigs, who thinks that 8 years of Clinton increasing the Gross Federal Debt EVERY SINGLE YEAR should be defined as "Reducing Federal Debt."
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Bump for Sigs, who thinks that 8 years of Clinton increasing the Gross Federal Debt EVERY SINGLE YEAR should be defined as "Reducing Federal Debt."You are wrong. The Federal Debt decreased during Clinton’s best year (2000) at the rate of minus 2%. The Compounded Annual Rate of Change of Federal Debt was increasing by 17.88% per year during Reagan’s worst year (1984). The years before and after his worst were 17.85% and 17.01%.
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Your campaign to remind us that you are numerical illiterate is strong, particularly after I just posted the figures. From 1995 to 1996 the Gross Federal Debt went from $7.583 Trillion to $7.978 Trillion. That is an increase, except to Libtards. For 1997 the Debt increased to $8.483 Trillion. For 1998 the Debt increased to $8.954 Trillion. For 1999 the Debt increased to $9.510 Trillion. For 2000 the Debt increased to $10.148 Trillion. Clinton made Federal Debt History in 2000 by pushing it over the $10 Trillion mark for the first time ever. Clinton left Office in 2001. For 2001 the Debt increased to $10.564 Trillion. How stupid is second? This is beyond merely gullible, this is Libtardism in the extreme.
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:28 AM
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't even have to look to know that Second is right about this... or at least his numbers are closer. When I started paying attention to the Debt Clock it was well over $6 Trillion and that was early in GWB's administration. The wheels didn't really come off until after 9/11 and the obscene increases in military spending that have never once tapered off in any meaningful fashion since. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:51 AM
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yeah. I remember I got my full $300. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:17 PM
Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: So you believe the Federal Debt in your Fairy Tale is only little over half of the actual Gross Federal Debt? CBO just released their updated Gross Federal Debt figures at the end of last month. Maybe you think they are lying, and you prefer the Fairy Libtard Tales?
Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't even have to look to know that Second is right about this... or at least his numbers are closer. When I started paying attention to the Debt Clock it was well over $6 Trillion and that was early in GWB's administration. The wheels didn't really come off until after 9/11 and the obscene increases in military spending that have never once tapered off in any meaningful fashion since. Do Right, Be Right. :)So you believe the Federal Debt in your Fairy Tale is only little over half of the actual Gross Federal Debt? CBO just released their updated Gross Federal Debt figures at the end of last month. Maybe you think they are lying, and you prefer the Fairy Libtard Tales?
Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:11 PM
Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Or are you just gullible enough to change what you believe from day to day depending upon the prevailing wind? I thought you said you were good with numbers, not as illiterate as second.
Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:49 PM
Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:02 PM
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Saturday, March 2, 2019 2:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Trump's Tax Reform finally allowed Voters for High Taxes to pay their Fair Share, by reducing their deductible amounts of the High Taxes that they vote to have. So now MSM is reporting that this is "harmful" to these High Tax Lovers. A thought occurs to me. California has been flirting with the idea of seceding, or splitting into 2 States. I wonder if New York has discussed divorcing itself from NYC.
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