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Voter Fraud Proven
Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:49 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:53 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:02 PM
Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:44 PM
SIGNYM
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Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:01 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I heard Investors Business Daily Editorial Page has a story. I invite anybody to provide a linky. State of Texas study showed that over 95,000 non-citizens were registered to vote, and over 58,000 of those non-citizens have Illegally Voted in at least one recent Election. This means that Libtards define "none" and "never" as 58,000 - just in one State, a Red State.
Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: So.... I had some time to think about this. Keep in mind that until I know for sure that there actually were 95,000 people in Texas that were non-citizens that were registered, this is just spitballing theories. You've got 95,000 people registered to vote, who had no business being registered. In light of that, only roughly 61% of them chose to actually vote in any elections. Why would that be? Why would somebody in Texas who was living there illegally make the conscious decision sit at a DMV (or whichever government building they'd need to go without getting a licenses) and sit there for a few hours, likely sweating bullets the whole time, to obtain illegal voter registration that could potentially putting at risk themselves and their families to deportation to get a registration card that they wouldn't even use after the fact? Now, why would 37,000 people do this? They were risking having ICE break down their doors and round up their family for deportation, just to be able to vote. No... I don't imagine that's how it went down at all. I'd bet a lot of these people weren't even aware that they were registered to vote, and it's possible that among the 37,000 that didn't vote there are quite a few who had explicitly said they didn't want to be signed up for it but were signed up anyhow when they were signing forms that they didn't read. It's no secret that there are places out there that are very illegal immigrant friendly. Sometimes they're so bold about it as to label the entire area sanctuary cities. My theory here is that somebody was helping these people cross the border, and when they got here they were set up for everything from housing, to an under the table job, government benefits, being registered to vote and then being Highly encouraged to go out and do so. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if 37,000 people who didn't vote are regularly being harassed or even threatened now by the people who set them up. It's just a theory, sure. But I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:13 AM
Quote: As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification. Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.
Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Have you left your brain somewhere in the cold?
Quote:Have you not heard of Motor Voter Registration? Libtards desperate for Dem Voters have worked every bribe, plea, fraudulent ploy to give out fraudulent Registrations, like handing out candy. Have you seen any kids sweating bullets when they get Free candy, whether they speak English or not?
Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:25 AM
Quote:It's just a theory,
Quote:I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining.
Thursday, January 31, 2019 5:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:It's just a theory, sure. But...a good one! Quote:I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining. Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?). They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails. Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering: This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done? SGG
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Just an FYI, SGG, in case you didn't know. I'm not sure which state you vote in, but your example of needing an ID to vote is not at all a requirement in quite a few states. That's part of the argument here. https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state Quote: As of January 2, 2019, 35 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification; the remainder accepted other forms of identification. Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards. Interestingly enough, Texas is one of the states that require a photo ID, so it is perplexing how this could happen without somebody going through an extreme effort to make it happen. All the more reason for me to believe that these 95,000 people did not make an individual effort to get registered and that there is an organization behind it.... assuming of course the news story isn't fake news. Can I at least take it that you support a requirement for a legal photo identification to vote given your response? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not sure if your tongue is welded into your cheek, but at least your brain seems engaged, as opposed to 6ix.
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Here, I posted this to a response to JSF. Perhaps this may shed some light on the topic. Remember now, the following is government information garnered by the state of Texas, which is conducting or has conducted the voter fraud investigation, so it cannot be "fake" news:
Quote:And, to answer your question. Yes, I believe the way to go is either driver's license or some sort of voter ID with picture to reduce, if not nullify, voter fraud; thereby shutting up those who scream bloody murder and cry "wolf" about voter fraud. But I have some other suggestions that will put this to bed: 1. each state should be responsible to make it as easy as possible to obtain said photo ID. 2. each state should hold elections to vote in a Board of Elections Chairman that will oversee the voting process as a whole. No partisan appointees, but strictly chosen by the people. This prevents or reduces wrongdoing by elected officials or non-citizens. The Board of Elections Chairman will run independent of any party. 3. We should also vote for a national BoE Chairman who will run and verify the election boards across the country, reporting only to the DoJ. 4. All convicted criminals shall register with the BoE in their state, once released, and shall be informed of their voting rights and eligibility. They must be informed and sign a declaration, along with their probation officer, that they have so been informed. Said form to be filed with their state of residence, a copy going to the National office of the BoE (Board of Elections) 5. All investigations by any state AG shall be filed with both the state BoE and national office. I may think of more. Of course, that's wishful thinking, none of this will occur. It just makes too much common sense. SGG
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:19 AM
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:It's just a theory, sure. But...a good one! Quote:I think it holds a lot more water than the idea of nearly 100,000 people living here illegally deciding to make an individual decision to potentially throw themselves and their own families into the lion's den by taking a trip to the DMV to illegally obtain voter registration that they had no legal business obtaining. Again, good point. Let's take it a step further, shall we? They would have to fool the DMV (gather up really good fake documents, like those folks from Trump's Golf Club. Those poor bastards that Trump hired to oversee his business were surely taken advantage of by those lying scumbag illegals. Didn't they realize that eventually they would be found out?). They would have to fool the election board, imagine the egg on their faces when the AG/SoS comes a'calling and find that they too (election board) were flim-flammed by those sneaky illegals. Then, at the voting polls, get past the election officials who are trained to ensure that the voting process runs smooth. Those "non-citizens" are very clever to do all that. But they got caught, so justice prevails. Here's another state that has had some trouble with voter fraud or voter tampering: This is terrible, poor North Carolina voters. What, if anything, can be done? SGG
Thursday, January 31, 2019 6:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh... and in addition, given the recent stories about American Indian reservation problems with voting, I have another idea that I hadn't mentioned a few years ago since it hadn't come up. Given that (allegedly) most American Indians in the U.S. do not have street addresses and use a P.O. Box for their residence on their reservations, something needs to be done about that as well. In any and all cases where the above is true, their Drivers Licenses (assuming they drive) or their state ID cards should have an address field that states the reservation they live on, the name of the post office, followed by their personal P.O. Box number at the post office. These ID's should be 100% valid and accepted at the voting booths across any state where they apply. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:05 AM
Quote:One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more).
Quote:I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair.
Thursday, January 31, 2019 1:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Another good point. Quote:One thing I suggested that's not in your list is that anybody who is a legal citizen that qualifies for and is receiving food stamps should be able to get a State ID absolutely for free for voting purposes as well. This would immediately put to bed a lot of the claims that voter ID laws are racist if you took out the financial responsibility of getting a valid photo ID (especially considering they can cost $30 or more). Yes, it makes sense. But don't they have their info on those food stamps card already? Just curious. But yeah, they should be given some sort of ID when they register for food stamps. Free, as part of the process. Quote:I want something like this to be enacted, and I'd like to see that it gets done the right way so nobody can bitch that it wasn't fair. This is what I'm saying. To stop the bitching, from all sides, the above would make it fair. Agreed. SGG
Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:44 PM
REAVERFAN
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Friday, February 1, 2019 5:42 AM
Quote: when they obtained a driver's license or ID card, provided the Texas Department of Public Safety with documentation (like a green card) showing they were not citizens, though legal U.S. residents. The state compared those names and Social Security numbers with the state voter rolls. So, some if not all of these suspect residents could have subsequently been naturalized ...
Friday, February 1, 2019 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I look forward to seeing more information on how this was done. I don't see "weak match" as being a problem with this study, tho ... I think that issue is a red herring (so to speak). The fundamental flaw in the original ID papers is the problem, because it sounds to me like a driver's license is all you need to register in Texas, and driver's license ID requirements aren't up to voter registration requirements. Unless I'm missing something, the problem seems pretty straightforward.
Friday, February 1, 2019 9:25 AM
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Friday, February 1, 2019 12:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: I know that bots like REAVERBOT rely entirely on falsehoods and half truths to spew their America-destroying propaganda. REAVERBOT does this for a living, and we all gotta eat, right? REAVERBOT, why should I - or anyone- trust a single word that you post when you keep spewing obvious lies (defamation) over and over ... and over and over? I KNOW WHO I AM, and you constantly calling me a "Russian troll" just makes me mentally junk-toss anything that you post, because you're either vastly deluded or so friggin' biased that you choose not to tell the truth. Once you've totally undermined your own credibility, anything else is just garbage. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Friday, February 1, 2019 2:41 PM
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Friday, February 1, 2019 8:00 PM
Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:10 AM
Quote: Pennsylvania admits to 11,000 noncitizens registered to vote A top Pennsylvania lawmaker called on the state Wednesday to immediately expunge the names of 11,198 noncitizens whom the state confirmed are registered to vote, despite not being eligible. State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Republican and former chairman of a House government oversight panel, said the administration of Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat, belatedly acknowledged the large number of noncitizens in communications over the past two months. “I believe that we need to take action and have those people removed immediately from the rolls,” Mr. Metcalfe told The Washington Times. “They were never eligible to vote.” Just days earlier, officials in Texas announced they had found nearly 100,000 noncitizens on the state’s voter rolls. The numbers, while not yet evidence of massive voter fraud that President Trump said marred the popular vote in the 2016 election, are nonetheless higher than the almost-zero levels of voting mischief that the president’s critics have suggested. Some of those Trump opponents don’t believe the latest numbers, particularly in Texas, where Hispanic activists sued to stop a potential purge of the noncitizen names that the state identified. “It’s clear that the right-wing elements in Texas government are trying to rig the system to keep power and disenfranchise 95,000 American citizens,” said Domingo Garcia, national president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. “There is no voter fraud in Texas. It’s a lie repeated time and again to suppress minority voters, and we’re going to fight hard against it.” Texas Secretary of State David Whitley used state driver’s license records, which include immigration status, and compared those with voter rolls. He found that about 95,000 people whom the state says weren’t citizens were among the 16 million registered voters. Of those, about 58,000 had voted at some point since 1996. State officials followed a similar process in Pennsylvania after admitting that a glitch in state motor vehicle bureau computers allowed noncitizens to register to vote easily. They, too, matched driver’s license records with voter rolls and came up with nearly 11,200 names. The state did not release the names to Mr. Metcalfe or to Rep. Garth Everett, a Republican and chairman of the House State Government Committee, so they weren’t able to figure out how many had cast ballots. Contacted by The Washington Times, the Pennsylvania Department of State did not provide a comment on its numbers. Voter integrity advocates said the findings undermine arguments that there is no problem. “Demonstrating, much less discussing, noncitizen voting activity is the worst form of heresy one can commit for left-wing groups,” said Logan Churchwell, director of communications and research at the Public Interest Legal Foundation, which is involved in lawsuits in Pennsylvania and Texas to try to pry loose voter data. He and other advocates said states need to act. “It is the tip of the iceberg,” Tom Fitton, director of the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, told The Times. “This shows the urgent need for citizenship verification for voting. The Department of Justice should follow up with a national investigation.” No state requires proof of citizenship to register to vote. A U.S. District Court judge last year struck down a law championed by then-Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to require citizenship documentation. Kansas took the ruling to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Texas, however, will take some verification steps in the future. The secretary of state every month will compare newly registered voters with federal immigration records at the Department of Homeland Security. “This carries the benefit of being a report plus a reform,” Mr. Churchwell said. “This wasn’t a one-off research project. Texas will be actively screening for existing potential noncitizen registrants on a monthly basis, which is something we’ve long pushed for.” A coalition of 13 liberal groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, has challenged Mr. Whitley’s methodology and called his findings suspect. They said that since driver’s licenses are issued every six years in Texas, the person could have become a citizen after the immigration status was submitted to the Department of Public Safety. The League of United Latin American Citizens says in its lawsuit that more than 50,000 Texans are naturalized each year and that most of them vote in their first election. To account for that, Mr. Whitley created a process for election boards to notify each of the 95,000 names and ask them to verify whether they are citizens and should remain on the rolls. In Pennsylvania, the state’s Democrat-led administration has been less enthusiastic about confronting the issue. After an earlier estimate put the number of noncitizens on state voting rolls at 100,000, Mr. Metcalfe made a right-to-know request under state law for the voter information. He was preparing to get the information early last year when the Wolf administration objected and went to court to try to keep it secret. The state Commonwealth Court, an appellate panel, scheduled a hearing for last month — after the November elections. Just a week before the court hearing, the Wolf administration withdrew its appeal and announced that it would turn over the information. Mr. Metcalfe said the timing was suspicious. “This governor has been an obstructionist in revealing this information to the citizens, and thereby I believe a participant in allowing this fraudulent activity to occur because it benefits him and his party,” the lawmaker said. Mr. Trump tried to spark a national debate over voter fraud in 2017 and even created a presidential commission to calculate hard numbers. Plagued by mismanagement, uncooperative states and myriad lawsuits, the panel disbanded early last year. The noncitizen debate reached the national level in 2014 when Jesse T. Richman, a professor at Old Dominion University, and two colleagues began publishing estimates of thousands and perhaps millions of illegal voters. Mr. Richman based his numbers on the comprehensive Cooperative Congressional Election Study conducted by YouGov polling and a consortium of colleges. It is one of the few polls that attempts to find noncitizen voters. The consortium’s professors dismissed Mr. Richman’s work. After whittling down their own polling, they determined that, statistically, “zero” illegal immigrants vote in U.S. elections. They have allies at the liberal Brennan Center. Two scholars wrote in 2017: “Like voter fraud generally, non-citizen voting is incredibly rare. Simply put, we already know that ineligible non-citizens do not vote in American elections — including the 2016 election — except at negligible rates.” The National Hispanic Survey, conducted in 2013 by Republican pollster John McLaughlin, found that 13 percent of noncitizen Hispanic respondents said they were registered to vote. James D. Agresti, who directs research at the Just Facts nonprofit, applied the 13 percent figure to the 2010 census, which found that 11.8 million noncitizen Hispanics were living in the U.S. Mr. Agresti calculated that the number of illegally registered Hispanics could range from 800,000 to 2.2 million.
Saturday, February 2, 2019 11:34 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:What happened to REAVERSHIT? Downgraded from biological to badly written software. So - go ahead. Call me a Russian troll AGAIN. It only demonstrates how limited you are. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Saturday, February 2, 2019 3:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Thank you for demonstrating your limited programming, again, REAVERBOT. Please ask for an upgrade next time because "Russian troll" seems to be the only thing you post. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:48 PM
Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I see what Texas did, and it has nothing to do with partial matches. They crossed two data bases (drivers license and voter rolls) without trying to time-match the info. In other words, if someone had a driver's license from six years ago, they crossed that with current voter rolls. It's a good way to flag for inconsistencies - a screening test, if you will. Screening tests SHOULD have false positives and (hopefully) no false negatives in order to be valid. But those inconsistencies need to be followed up with updated information. Presumably those flagged registrations are being checked against ANOTHER database ... I have no idea which one ... to further winnow the results.
Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:54 PM
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THG
Monday, February 4, 2019 7:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: OMG!!! They're reviewing voter registrations!!! Isn't that, like, the PURPOSE of the State Secretary? I would be concerned if the review led to actual unfair roll purges, but not a review itself. The ACLU has gone off the deep end. Of, as libtards like to say ... If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind a little review. BTW, I noticed that you're avoiding the Pennsylvania case like the plague. Is that because the review was done by a Democrat, and found 11,000 non-citizen registrants? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
Monday, February 4, 2019 8:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: ACLU: We’re suing Texas for rolling out an error-ridden voter purge program that flagged tens of thousands of registered voters for review — despite officials knowing that the list included naturalized citizens who are eligible to vote. https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1092461439820972037 You want to know what will be proven?
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