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Lefty website "working with" uber-lefty University to come up with "facts".

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The bill has been crafted and Trump won't sign. Does he want a different version to open the Department of Agriculture? He has not said. 6ix has been more specific than Trump on the subject.

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I've been more specific than ANYBODY ANYWHERE on the subject.

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6ix, you have been more specific than Trump, and he, a million times more than you, needs to understand the issues in complete detail. But I don't think he has done the necessary work. Possibly other voters are noticing the same about Trump:

Data from the Fox News Voter Analysis of the midterms www.foxnews.com/midterms-2018/voter-analysis indicated that a majority of voters opposed the wall in states worth nearly 400 electoral votes (270 are needed to win) including in several states where the president’s approval rating was above water in the poll, like Ohio and Florida. Even so, the wall still isn’t popular in Michigan or Pennsylvania, important battleground states. And voters in Ohio, a politically similar state, opposed the wall.
www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/upshot/trump-border-wall-polls.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'd imagine that the wall is quite a bit more popular in Michigan and Pennsylvania than your dike is anywhere else in the country, including most of Texas that isn't effected by the water.

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Democrats would immediately cave because then it would be loud and clear that the burden is 100% upon them if there was even a mere hiccup on EBT payouts.

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That verbal judo won't work for Trump. Trump discarded his leverage from the very start, by declaring for the cameras that the budget shutdown was his decision, his responsibility. When the shutdown began to hurt, Trump and his surrogates hastily tried to transfer the onus — but it was too late. Everybody knew that it was Trump’s doing, and that it was done for reasons rejected by large majorities of Americans.

Trump didn't realize how much stuff that should never be shutdown that he shutdown without thinking first.

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It's not rejected by a large majority of Americans.

Buckle in, because the shutdown isn't going anywhere.

Democrats can continue to throw a tantrum about it, or they can craft a bill specifically for EBT payouts and avoid a national disaster.

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I'd imagine that the wall is quite a bit more popular in Michigan and Pennsylvania than your dike is anywhere else in the country, including most of Texas that isn't effected by the water.

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This is NOT imaginary: a hurricane coming into Galveston Bay causing a trillion dollars in damage, which could have been prevented with the multi-billion dollar Ike Dike.
www.tamug.edu/ikedike/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Dike

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'd imagine that the wall is quite a bit more popular in Michigan and Pennsylvania than your dike is anywhere else in the country, including most of Texas that isn't effected by the water.

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This is NOT imaginary: a hurricane coming into Galveston Bay causing a trillion dollars in damage, which could have been prevented with the multi-billion dollar Ike Dike.
www.tamug.edu/ikedike/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Dike

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Pretty amusing that you don't see the striking parallels.

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Not sure I understand why second does not apply the same remedy to Flood of Water as he does to Flood of Illegal Aliens.
He doesn't need a dike like he doesn't need a Wall.
He needs to just get outside during the middle of the hurricane, and merely shovel water uphill. Should work just as well to stop all flooding.
Now that we can visualize his solution, it seems pretty obvious his Dike should be at the bottom of the list of spending priorities.

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Not sure I understand why second does not apply the same remedy to Flood of Water as he does to Flood of Illegal Aliens.
He doesn't need a dike like he doesn't need a Wall.
He needs to just get outside during the middle of the hurricane, and merely shovel water uphill. Should work just as well to stop all flooding.
Now that we can visualize his solution, it seems pretty obvious his Dike should be at the bottom of the list of spending priorities.

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There are 22 million illegal aliens already living in America. If Trump would brutally scoop them up and dump them out of the country, he would not need more Wall than he already has because new illegal aliens would be frightened of Trump's brutal America. On the other hand, Trump cannot intimidate a hurricane, unlike an illegal alien, to stay out of the country.

(My Republican competitors in the business use illegal aliens. I'm perfectly comfortable with Trump locking up my competitors for hiring illegal aliens at the very same time as they support Trump's Wall.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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You know that's not going to happen. Under Trump or anyone else. My entire life they've been saying "we've got to do something about illegal immigration" and they've done nothing.

Any arguments saying "there is a better solution" are null and void.

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You know that's not going to happen. Under Trump or anyone else. My entire life they've been saying "we've got to do something about illegal immigration" and they've done nothing.

Any arguments saying "there is a better solution" are null and void.

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The Democratic Party is not for throwing the aliens out. That's the Republican Party's position. It is the GOP that told you they will solve this problem, not the Democrats.

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(I've got an idea for Trump that will work at least as well as a government shutdown: he should take hostages and threaten to kill them unless the Democrats give Trump $5.7 billion. Trump will show those Democrats that he will do whatever it takes to fund a Wall.)

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And now Congress has decided to take a Recess for the next week.

Is that what you voted for? Go to Washington to not do anything, and then after successfully accomplishing this goal, run away from the Office to continue doing nothing, while their voters are twisting in the wind.

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And now Congress has decided to take a Recess for the next week.

Is that what you voted for? Go to Washington to not do anything, and then after successfully accomplishing this goal, run away from the Office to continue doing nothing, while their voters are twisting in the wind.

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Bullshit. Every Democrat and their mother swear up and down that they will do something about illegal immigrants. Especially now that the wall is going to be built and they swear that they're going to do something about it... just not the wall.

Do you even read any of the articles you post when you're trying to prove your ill informed points?

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(I've got an idea for Trump that will work at least as well as a government shutdown: he should take hostages and threaten to kill them unless the Democrats give Trump $5.7 billion. Trump will show those Democrats that he will do whatever it takes to fund a Wall.)

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Not clever or funny.

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Bullshit. Every Democrat and their mother swear up and down that they will do something about illegal immigrants. Especially now that the wall is going to be built and they swear that they're going to do something about it... just not the wall.

Do you even read any of the articles you post when you're trying to prove your ill informed points?

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Bullshit on your bullshit. The GOP rejects the entire immigration platform of the Democratic Party. The two are so far apart they can't even see the other's position.
https://democrats.org/about/party-platform/#broken-immigration

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(I've got an idea for Trump that will work at least as well as a government shutdown: he should take hostages and threaten to kill them unless the Democrats give Trump $5.7 billion. Trump will show those Democrats that he will do whatever it takes to fund a Wall.)

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Shutting down the government is called hostage taking. My suggestion just makes that plain.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Yeah. The Democrat position on immigrants is let them all in, but pretend that we're not going to let them all in.


Shutting down the government is not even remotely close to hostage taking.

You claim to have been in Vietnam. I'm calling bullshit on that too.

You're a retard.

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And now we've completed a 14th day of Government Shutdown. How exciting.

If Dems would return to their positions of 10 years ago, the whole Wall would be funded already, and the Shutdown would have never happened.

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I hear that Stretch Pelosi proclaimed that she will not allow Congressional Democraps to have enough seating to attend Trump's State of the Union.
And then Trump wrote her a letter cancelling her Government expensed travel arrangements on her Party Trip to Egypt & Belgium, while she continues to keep the Government Shut Down, now for 17 days. Trump pointed out if her trip was important while she was keeping the Government Shutdown, she could travel commercial, like the common folk she has put out of work.

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Trump can stop his pain without a deal. He won't get a deal because he personally pissed off Nancy. Trump forgot he had voluntarily placed his balls in her nutcracker where she can crush him effortlessly. He can get both balls back with his signature reopening the government. He shut it down all by himself and he can start it back up in two seconds without Nancy's help. She knows it and that is why she is not giving him a Wall. She will watch Trump squirm in pain until he finally figures out how to free himself with just his signature.

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He's in quicksand and the more he struggles there further down he goes - it's a beautiful thing. Dems couldn't have come up with something so perfect. Thank you Dump!

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I hear that Stretch Pelosi proclaimed that she will not allow Congressional Democraps to have enough seating to attend Trump's State of the Union.
And then Trump wrote her a letter cancelling her Government expensed travel arrangements on her Party Trip to Egypt & Belgium, while she continues to keep the Government Shut Down, now for 17 days. Trump pointed out if her trip was important while she was keeping the Government Shutdown, she could travel commercial, like the common folk she has put out of work.

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I hear that Stretch Pelosi proclaimed that she will not allow Congressional Democraps to have enough seating to attend Trump's State of the Union.
And then Trump wrote her a letter cancelling her Government expensed travel arrangements on her Party Trip to Egypt & Belgium, while she continues to keep the Government Shut Down, now for 17 days. Trump pointed out if her trip was important while she was keeping the Government Shutdown, she could travel commercial, like the common folk she has put out of work.

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Now we've completed 18 days of Shutdown, and Stretch Pelosi is whining about paying for her flights around the world.

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I hear that Stretch Pelosi proclaimed that she will not allow Congressional Democraps to have enough seating to attend Trump's State of the Union.
And then Trump wrote her a letter cancelling her Government expensed travel arrangements on her Party Trip to Egypt & Belgium, while she continues to keep the Government Shut Down, now for 17 days. Trump pointed out if her trip was important while she was keeping the Government Shutdown, she could travel commercial, like the common folk she has put out of work.

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Now we've completed 18 days of Shutdown, and Stretch Pelosi is whining about paying for her flights around the world.

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I did find that rather amusing.

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Still a bargain. None of the wasteful Democrap spending and pork can hold a candle.

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She's probably got Alzheimer's by now. It just might work.

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The best part about her being told she's have to fund the trip herself is that they were informed at the airport when they were all suited up and ready to go.

I don't know how true it is, but I heard that she was handed her bags back in the airport with a note from Trump.

Would be priceless to see a video of the look on her face when that happened.

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Well, when she decided to Shut Down the Government, including non-essential inter-Governmental message traffic, what did she expect?

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She's probably got Alzheimer's by now. It just might work.

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When Trump "negotiates", one of his steps was to cancel Pelosi's flight on a military plane. Then he publicized her plans to the World's terrorists, just in case she switched to a commercial flight. Since Pelosi is next in line for the Presidency, after V.P. Mike Pence, she is a major target for death and knew Trump was calling for her assassination. What is Trump thinking he is doing? To negotiate successfully, Trump must be polite, give Pelosi something other than what the Federal Courts have already given her. That death threat from Trump means he does not want a deal. This is all a show for his Trump voters who, you know, hate Pelosi. But his responsibility is to run a government, not put on a TV show.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Trump has signed a bill guaranteeing back pay for federal workers who have been furloughed. They get paid without working for the pay.

www.barrons.com/articles/government-shutdown-cost-51547665457

The partial shutdown of the US government, the longest, hit another milestone. It is likely become more expensive for taxpayers than the thing at the center of it, Pres. Donald Trump's demand for funding for a Wall.

Trump signed legislation promising back pay for federal workers once the shutdown ends. That bill sailed through Congress. Federal workers didn't ask for the shut down, after all, and so won't be expected to suffer for it beyond the cash squeeze many are experiencing on held up wages.

Reality for taxpayers, however is that they are now guaranteed to pay government wages for services they won't receive. That money is essentially squandered. After the 2013 government shut down that affected roughly as many workers as the current one, 800,000, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the cost in back wages at $2 billion plus 500 million for benefits for 16 days.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Must be nice to work in the public sector. Not only do you get paid to do a shit job every day, but apparently you get paid when you don't even go to work now too.

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Must be nice to work in the public sector. Not only do you get paid to do a shit job every day, but apparently you get paid when you don't even go to work now too.

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Take your complaint to Trump. He signed the bill. I would not have paid, but then I would not have shutdown the government while I negotiated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Must be nice to work in the public sector. Not only do you get paid to do a shit job every day, but apparently you get paid when you don't even go to work now too.

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Take your complaint to Trump. He signed the bill. I would not have paid, but then I would not have shutdown the government while I negotiated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sure thing. Let me get to my Batphone. I'll let you know what he says.

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Must be nice to work in the public sector. Not only do you get paid to do a shit job every day, but apparently you get paid when you don't even go to work now too.

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Take your complaint to Trump. He signed the bill. I would not have paid, but then I would not have shutdown the government while I negotiated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sure thing. Let me get to my Batphone. I'll let you know what he says.

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That needs explanation: I would not shutdown the government because I can do two things at once: run a business and negotiate with a hostile woman. Apparently, Trump can't do both. No, I have not been divorced from a hostile woman, but I would not shutdown part of my business while I was in the middle of a divorce.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Kind of funny when you think about it.

Trump married into the divorce. lol

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Kind of funny when you think about it.

Trump married into the divorce. lol

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Seriously, Trump is not being practical. His negotiating technique is terrible: if he wants something from a woman, Nancy Pelosi, he should be polite to her. Give her gifts, maybe. And beyond that, Trump only has a limited amount of time and money for negotiations, despite Trump saying he could be shut down for years, because every hour he is shutdown costs $millions. I'm thinking Trump didn't calculate those extra costs beforehand. A GOP Senator will have to remind him prior to the 2020 election that the Trump Wall is much more expensive than the asking price of $5.7 billion.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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She's no different than a male politician. No reason to give her gifts because she has a vagina.

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