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Pictures of a woman and two children, cycled ENDLESSLY through the M$M echo-chamber. But what about all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents? Not in the "free press" news??

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NBC News Reporter Admits Migrant Caravan Predominantly Men

After a photo of a migrant woman sprinting away from a tear gas cannister with her two young children in tow went viral over the weekend, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of their mainstream media cohort swiftly condemned the Trump Administration for yet another brutal crackdown on harmless migrant families that are only trying to escape persecution and violence by seeking asylum in the US.

Of course, their reporting almost universally ignored an attack on border patrol agents in Arizona - the first incident of violence against US law enforcement by a member of the one of the migrant caravans heading toward the southern border from Honduras and Guatemala. They also ignored the fact - highlighted by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen - that the majority of the migrants camping out in Tijuana as they await an opportunity to cross into the US are young men. But that the mainstream media ignored this is hardly surprising: After all, this fact doesn't fit with the narrative that the caravan is chiefly comprised of desperate single mothers and their children, who are simply trying to escape violence in their home countries.

And she said hundreds of convicted criminals including rapists and child abusers are known to be among the 'predominantly male' convoy of Central Americans who have set up camp in Tijuana, waiting to cross into California.

'It appears in some cases that the limited number of women and children in the caravan are being used by the organizers as “human shields” when they confront law enforcement,' Nielsen said in a statement posted on Facebook.

President Donald Trump claimed Monday evening in Mississippi that some of the adults trying to cross the border illegally aren't related to the children who accompany them. He called them 'grabbers.'

Nielsen also increased DHS's count of known convicts in the 'organized' caravan, saying: 'This is serious.'

'[A]t this point we have confirmed that there are over 600 convicted criminals traveling with the caravan flow,' she said. 'This includes individuals known to law enforcement for assault, battery, drug crimes, burglary, rape, child abuse and more.'

While many reporters immediately sought to discredit that count - after all, numbers released by the Trump administration can't be trusted, right? - one NBC reported traveled to Tijuana to try and verify it for himself.

And guess what he found?

That's right. NBC reporter Gadi Schwartz revealed in a tweet on Monday that there are more than three times as many men as there are women traveling with the caravan that's currently camped out near the US border.

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These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas. Women and children who left their lives behind -- seeking peace and asylum -- were met with violence and fear. That’s not my America. We’re a land of refuge. Of hope. Of freedom. And we will not stand for this.

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Oh, I just have to beat to death a little bit more the ridiculous idea that our M$M represents some sort of "objective truth"

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Ok GSTRING, how is "the M$M" playing the tear-gassing at the border?

HINT: Think of the women and children!! *SOB!*

Pictures of a woman and two children, cycled ENDLESSLY through the M$M echo-chamber. But what about all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents? Not in the "free press" news??

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And guess what he found?

That's right. NBC reporter Gadi Schwartz revealed in a tweet on Monday that there are more than three times as many men as there are women traveling with the caravan that's currently camped out near the US border.

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The fact that the caravan isn't what's portrayed in the M$M hasn't stopped our idiot governor-elect, Gavin Newsom, from spewing

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These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas. Women and children who left their lives behind -- seeking peace and asylum -- were met with violence and fear. That’s not my America. We’re a land of refuge. Of hope. Of freedom. And we will not stand for this.

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What a stupid ass.

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Sorry, I can't link to a tv show.

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Lazy or misleading?

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A thing I seem to know very little about: the simple truth.

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Geezus Krist, your ignorance of how our press works is almost immeasurable... it is so naive. No wonder you think there's big Dark Hand behind it all. Like so many Dumpers, you fill in your lack of understanding with conspiracies instead of facts, instead of actual knowledge of how things work. It's so bad you would increase your understanding just by watching a bad movie about the press.

Hint: Their main job is to sell papers/magazines/eyeballs.

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I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.

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But wouldn't the image of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through be so much MORE compelling and capture so many more eyeballs? After all, fear sells!

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You seem intent on ignoring the M$M robust history of pushing government-sponsored lies, not teeny tiny little white ones but big fat juicy ones. And not once, but over and over and over again.

Shit, every "intervention" that we ever promulgated began with a blizzard of lies, and the bigger and more costly the "intervention" the bigger the blizzard. Now, tell me that that was all an "accident!" or a "coincidence" or the M$M's desire to "capture eyeballs".

And they're doing it right now, not just about the poor poor migrants/ think of the women and children! but also about RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! and now Assange/ Manafort/ RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!.

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I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.

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Yeah, sure.
Where?
On the M$M?
I doubt it. So .... CITES AND LINKS PLEASE.

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But wouldn't the image of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through be so much MORE compelling and capture so many more eyeballs? After all, fear sells!

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Here's another example of what you don't understand about MSM. In the short time slots they have they have to tell the story as quickly as possible - visuals have to read well and quickly. Sometimes it's not the whole story (often even) but bottom line, it has to be compelling and understandable. You say you saw images "of masses of young men breaking the wall and crawling through." What wall, which wall? I saw a lot of images of men scrambling and running around and I think the Mexican army or police (unsure) trying to hold them at bay, and smoke or tear gas. It was chaos to my eye - I couldn't tell if they were miles from the border or right there. So you have that visual calamity and chaos versus the single frozen image of the mother wearing a Disney t-shirt with 2 kids in diapers crying and tear gas in the background. Which one is going to hit people fastest? Which one is the Drama?
You may not like or agree with the MSM (I don't necessarily either) and you may not understand why they do what they do, but hoping it would be different doesn't change it. If instead you try to understand why they operate the way they do, from their perspective - that's a much better way to actually make sense of their actions as opposed to seeing the boogey man behind every image.
Ask yourself: What would they get from The Deep State if they're all just taking orders? It's not Russia! No one's going to get poisoned. Not yet anyway. Jim Acosta is close! And how would you get them all to follow? It would be a better Pulitzer sized scoop to report about The Deep State trying to rig the news. Sorry, toots, it's flawed, it's not always right, it needs to be better, but it's the best we've got and thank god we have them.

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You seem intent on ignoring the M$M robust history of pushing government-sponsored lies, not teeny tiny little white ones but big fat juicy ones. And not once, but over and over and over again.

Shit, every "intervention" that we ever promulgated began with a blizzard of lies, and the bigger and more costly the "intervention" the bigger the blizzard. Now, tell me that that was all an "accident!" or a "coincidence" or the M$M's desire to "capture eyeballs".

And they're doing it right now, not just about the poor poor migrants/ think of the women and children! but also about RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! and now Assange/ Manafort/ RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA!.

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You're overreacting or lying - I get bored with you exaggerating "every..." or reaching back in history, or talking about Russia so much. Pass.

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I actually saw quite a bit of footage of those confrontations with "all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents" Once again, you are simply uniformed or just playing ignorant for effect.

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Yeah, sure.
Where?
On the M$M?
I doubt it. So .... CITES AND LINKS PLEASE.

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"Footage" means "tv." Have you figured out how to link to a tv segment that has already aired? Lemme know and I'll do that next time.
I watch about 15 minutes of cnn some mornings to see if anything has happened, big weather, disasters, Putin has died, etc. they have an extensive world wide network of sources so they are one of the first to know if stuff has happened. I always take their reporting with a grain of salt. I sure as hell don't listen to NPR for anything except book reviews!

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Ok GSTRING, how is "the M$M" playing the tear-gassing at the border?

HINT: Think of the women and children!! *SOB!*

‘These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas.’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/26/these-children-are-ba
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NYTimes article about Reuters Photojournalist's Photo of Children Fleeing Tear Gas at Border in Mexico

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/world/americas/tear-gas-migrant-chi
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More later

Fake border crisis, real tear gas on children: Today's talker
It never should have come to this, to scenes of women and children running from tear gas fired by U.S. border agents.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/11/26/fake-border-crisis-r
eal-tear-gas-children-talker/2114107002/

Photographer Reveals Story Behind Viral Photo of Diapered, Barefoot Migrant Children Fleeing Tear Gas
https://people.com/politics/photographer-reveals-story-behind-images-m
igrant-children-diapers-fleeing-tear-gas-border/

Story behind photo of migrant mom, children running away from tear gas
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tear-gas-photo-of-migrant-mom-children-us
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Trump defends use of 'very safe' tear gas on migrant children
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-tear-gas-migr
ants-20181126-story.html

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Pictures of a woman and two children, cycled ENDLESSLY through the M$M echo-chamber. But what about all the OTHER people, and the videos of "refugees" breaking though the border wall and throwing rocks at USA agents? Not in the "free press" news??

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Nearly Two Thirds of Non-Citizen Households on Welfare

Another day, another revelation as the great fleecing of the U.S. taxpayer continues unabated. A Center for Immigration Studies review* of U.S. Census Bureau data reveals a stunning 63% of households in the U.S. headed by non-citizens are on some form of welfare. That’s just shy of two out of every three proving to be a burden to the American people. So much for the lie that massive immigration enriches our nation.
Dead Weight

The information CIS uncovered is infuriating in a number of ways. The 63% figure is almost twice the rate of native-headed American households that use welfare, which is a disturbingly high 35% as it is. But non-citizen households (45%) also utilize food programs at a much higher rate than natives (21%), and disproportionately tap into Medicaid programs as well (50% vs. 23%).

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The most telling statistic in the review, however, is that welfare use rises among non-citizens the longer they are in our country.

“Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent,” CIS discovered.

Rather than serving as a temporary safety net, our welfare programs are proving to be a lifestyle staple for non-citizens sponging off the American taxpayer. Of course, many of these non-citizens do work, but they are low-skilled Hispanics from Central America laboring at poverty-level jobs. A 2015 CIS report found that 67% of households headed by immigrant farm workers are on public assistance of some form. Swollen-eyed Big Ag industrial farmers crying out about the need to find workers willing to do “the jobs Americans won’t do” are in fact having their cheap payrolls subsidized by the welfare programs of this nation.

Bitter Factors

At a time when native-born Americans are working long hours with less vacation time and fewer benefits, we are being forced to carry the millstone of foreign squatters on our backs. Massive immigration has led to overcrowded cities and towns, aggravating traffic congestion that leads to an even more draining daily commute for Americans just so we can we have the privilege of having our wages heavily taxed to financially support the very same invaders who are making our work day more exhausting. This is madness.

Immigrants also suppress wages, especially for low-skilled workers, so that 35% figure of natives utilizing some form of welfare may be so high in part due to the fact that the non-citizens abusing our welfare programs are also making it impossible for a portion of our citizen population to find decent-paying jobs. Thus non-native interlopers are increasing the welfare burden beyond just what they actively take for themselves.

The Trump administration’s Department of Homeland Security has released a draft proposal to prevent immigration by those who are likely to be a public burden on the American people. This new CIS report overwhelmingly confirms the urgent need for such a policy. Anyone opposing this sane safeguard through hollow accusations of “racism” or self-serving pleas for cheap labor is an enemy to the American working man and woman. And we will remember them for it.

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63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
Compared to 35% of native households

By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on December 2, 2018
Steven A. Camarota is the director of research and Karen Zeigler is a demographer at the Center.

New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) shows welfare use by households headed by non-citizens is very high. The desire to reduce these rates among future immigrants is the primary justification for the rule change. Immigrant advocacy groups are right to worry that the high welfare use of non-citizens may impact the ability of some to receive green cards, though the actual impacts of the rules are unclear because they do not include all the benefits non-citizens receive on behalf of their children and many welfare programs are not included in the new rules. As welfare participation varies dramatically by education level, significantly reducing future welfare use rates would require public charge rules that take into consideration education levels and resulting income and likely welfare use.

Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.

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Among the findings:

In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because:
1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify;
2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children;
3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly,
4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth....

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Nearly Two Thirds of Non-Citizen Households on Welfare

Another day, another revelation as the great fleecing of the U.S. taxpayer continues unabated. A Center for Immigration Studies review* of U.S. Census Bureau data reveals a stunning 63% of households in the U.S. headed by non-citizens are on some form of welfare. That’s just shy of two out of every three proving to be a burden to the American people. So much for the lie that massive immigration enriches our nation.
Dead Weight

The information CIS uncovered is infuriating in a number of ways. The 63% figure is almost twice the rate of native-headed American households that use welfare, which is a disturbingly high 35% as it is. But non-citizen households (45%) also utilize food programs at a much higher rate than natives (21%), and disproportionately tap into Medicaid programs as well (50% vs. 23%).

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The most telling statistic in the review, however, is that welfare use rises among non-citizens the longer they are in our country.

“Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent,” CIS discovered.

Rather than serving as a temporary safety net, our welfare programs are proving to be a lifestyle staple for non-citizens sponging off the American taxpayer. Of course, many of these non-citizens do work, but they are low-skilled Hispanics from Central America laboring at poverty-level jobs. A 2015 CIS report found that 67% of households headed by immigrant farm workers are on public assistance of some form. Swollen-eyed Big Ag industrial farmers crying out about the need to find workers willing to do “the jobs Americans won’t do” are in fact having their cheap payrolls subsidized by the welfare programs of this nation.

Bitter Factors

At a time when native-born Americans are working long hours with less vacation time and fewer benefits, we are being forced to carry the millstone of foreign squatters on our backs. Massive immigration has led to overcrowded cities and towns, aggravating traffic congestion that leads to an even more draining daily commute for Americans just so we can we have the privilege of having our wages heavily taxed to financially support the very same invaders who are making our work day more exhausting. This is madness.

Immigrants also suppress wages, especially for low-skilled workers, so that 35% figure of natives utilizing some form of welfare may be so high in part due to the fact that the non-citizens abusing our welfare programs are also making it impossible for a portion of our citizen population to find decent-paying jobs. Thus non-native interlopers are increasing the welfare burden beyond just what they actively take for themselves.

The Trump administration’s Department of Homeland Security has released a draft proposal to prevent immigration by those who are likely to be a public burden on the American people. This new CIS report overwhelmingly confirms the urgent need for such a policy. Anyone opposing this sane safeguard through hollow accusations of “racism” or self-serving pleas for cheap labor is an enemy to the American working man and woman. And we will remember them for it.

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https://www.libertynation.com/nearly-two-thirds-of-non-citizen-househo
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*The original report of the study is here:

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63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs
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By Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler on December 2, 2018
Steven A. Camarota is the director of research and Karen Zeigler is a demographer at the Center.

New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) shows welfare use by households headed by non-citizens is very high. The desire to reduce these rates among future immigrants is the primary justification for the rule change. Immigrant advocacy groups are right to worry that the high welfare use of non-citizens may impact the ability of some to receive green cards, though the actual impacts of the rules are unclear because they do not include all the benefits non-citizens receive on behalf of their children and many welfare programs are not included in the new rules. As welfare participation varies dramatically by education level, significantly reducing future welfare use rates would require public charge rules that take into consideration education levels and resulting income and likely welfare use.

Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.

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Among the findings:

In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because:
1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify;
2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children;
3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly,
4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth....

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MORE AT https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Pro
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This bodes ill for California!

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Why is it not a high priority of his enforcement efforts?

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Uh puhleez!

Can you say "sanctuary state"?
"Blue state"?

Sure you can!

California doesn't WANT Trump's "help". Hell, if I were Prezdent, I wouldn't help California either! I'd just let California stew in it's own politically-correct juices and watch it slowly go broke as it tries to "help" millions of illegal aliens who aren't adding to the tax base! Seriously. Stupid decisions should have consequences ... why should I expect Trump to save us from ourselves? Because we'd be so grateful?

If illegal immigration is such a boon for the economy (as you claim) then CA will be the living experiment. We will fall or rise based on our "reading" of reality, and other people can learn from our success or failure.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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This bodes ill for California!

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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What is Trump doing about California? Why is it not a high priority of his enforcement efforts?

It is Trump’s duty to enforce immigration laws for employees AND employers, but he is not doing the employer part his duty. I am amazed that Trump voters in California do not get angry at Trump for that failure.

Obviously illegal immigrants are not the only ones breaking the law when it comes to their employment in the United States. Employers that use them (whether it be for cheaper labor, or any other purpose) are also likely breaking the law, especially if they know that they are employing someone without an authorization to live and work in the United States. The relevant legislation is the Immigration and Nationality Act, and in particular Section 274A that deals with "The Unlawful Employment of Aliens." If every single business in the U.S. complied with this law and refused to employ illegal immigrants, there likely would not be any illegal immigration into the country, as very few people willingly move to a place where they would have no income.
www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2017/07/13/how-to-deal-with-employe
r-compliance-and-u-s-immigration-law/

California would be the perfect place for Trump to easily carry out his duty because the illegal immigrant workers are concentrated in California. Why is Trump failing to perform his duty in California? How does he convince Trump voters not to be angry at him? The California governor can’t stop Trump, but Trump has stopped Trump from enthusiastically enforcing the law against employers of illegal aliens.

Nearly one in ten California workers is an undocumented immigrant. California’s labor force includes about 1.75 million undocumented immigrants. This is the second-highest statewide concentration of undocumented workers (9.0%) in the US after Nevada (10.4%). Undocumented immigrants work disproportionately in agriculture, construction, and manufacturing.

In 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population.
www.ppic.org/publication/undocumented-immigrants-in-california/

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Here is a reference to 10 million undocumented immigrants. Is there another category of Illegal Aliens?
For all of these who vote, which California encourages, they are Illegal Votes, which Trump has accurately pointed out.
And they all voted for Hilliary, Newsom, Beto.
When Trump ends Federal Funding to Sanctuary Cities, he will be starting to address the immigration problem. Until then, The Wall is another avenue to pursue.

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"Texas is waiting for Trump to send agents to arrest the millions of Mexicans living here. When is Trump sending those agents? "

Really? You got a link for that? Or is that just more of your bull-shit trolling?

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Trump does not brag about how many long term resident illegal aliens he has removed from Texas. He does not even publish numbers, maybe because it would look bad that he sent more Troops to the Texas border than the number of long term residents he deported. But we can't know how many he deported because he won't publish the numbers nor will he publish his plan for removing the 11 million illegal aliens living in America. What is his plan? Does anyone have a plan? Where is it? When does it finish? How fast will it deport illegal aliens? Nobody knows because Trump hasn't given anybody any deadlines or threatened to fired them if he doesn't have a plan this year. Maybe next year Trump will actually get around to finally doing his job.

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Still waiting for you to find that link that supports your claim, bullshitter.


"Texas is waiting for Trump to send agents to arrest the millions of Mexicans living here. When is Trump sending those agents? "

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He made such a fool of himself there. They owned his ass.

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Central American Migrants Demand Trump Pay $50K Each To Go Home

Two groups of Central American migrants delivered a list of demands to the US Consulate in Tijuana in Tuesday, with one group demanding to be let into the United States, or be paid $50,000 each to go home, according to the San Diego Union Tribune.
A group of about 50 migrants walked from the Mexico Immigration office to the U.S. Consulate office to deliver a letter asking U.S. officials to speed up the asylum process.

The first group demanding action, numbering about 100, arrived at the U.S. Consulate at about 11 am Tuesday. The migrants said they were asking that the Trump Administration pay them $50,000 each or allow them into the U.S.
When asked how the group came up with the $50,000 figure, organizer Alfonso Guerrero Ulloa of Honduras, said they chose that number as a group. -SD Union Tribune https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me
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"It may seem like a lot of money to you," said Ulloa. "But it is a small sum compared to everything the United States has stolen from Honduras," referencing American intervention in Central America.

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I have posted with just about every post related to immigration reform is that we HAVE to stop meddling in the politics and economies of our neighbors south of the border because it creates a moral responsibility for us to "solve" the problems that we created (or can be argued that we created).

This is one of the reasons why illegal immigrants really DO feel "entitled" to a share of the USA economy, and one of the unstated reasons that cause liberals to buy into a sense of guilt. (But rather than SOLVING the problem, they want to "help the poor" that they themselves created.)

If you want to see evidence of this ...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, please don't pretend that you know anything about the topic!

The USA imposed crippling economic sanctions and then paid a disgruntled portion of the population to topple Allende because ... copper. IMB. Ford. CIA.

We overthrew the Colombian government of Panama because ... canal. And then invaded Panama because .... canal.

We sanctioned Venezuela several times over because ... oil.

We intervened in Nicaragua in 1909, occupied from 1912 to 1923 because ... banks ... canal ...

We're STILL "intervening" in Central and South America!

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Originally posted by second:
Nobody walks to or from the USA and Chile, Colombia, Venezuela, Panama.

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Is that something we can agree on? - SIGNY

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND - you rail bitterly and endlessly about your fellow Americans and how easily they're stampeded into stupid wars, and yet you yourself can't even commit to an non-interventionist statement.

Why is that? Are you a hypocrite? Are you afraid of agreeing with me because you might be bullied here? Worried you might get a taste of your own medicine? Do you have snakes in your head, where your thoughts meet each other coming and going?
I mean, seriously, what's the deal?

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What would it mean in terms of the real world for me to declare I was non-interventionist? - SECOND

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What would it mean in terms of the real world for me to declare I was non-interventionist? - SECOND

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About as much as it means to the world that you constantly plaster the board with your hatred of Trump, Texas Republicans, Republicans, and Americans in general. And yet, that hasn't stopped your endless spewage!

So just because it IS so meaningless... why not do it? It means nothing, it has no consequences in the real world, it would put you on the right side of YOUR OWN stated POV ... why all this wiggling?

It looks to me like sheer cowardice, but maybe there's something else at play. Maybe it's just too much like your former religion. Maybe you really WANT illegal immigration. Whatever it is, I just can't find a righteous motive behind your evasion.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You constantly plaster the board with your hatred of Trump, Texas Republicans, Republicans, and Americans in general. And yet, that hasn't stopped your endless spewage!

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It looks to me like sheer cowardice, but maybe there's something else at play. Maybe it's just too much like your former religion. Maybe you really WANT illegal immigration. Whatever it is, I just can't find a righteous motive behind your evasion.- SIGNY

What? I have change to please you?- SECOND

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I CANNOT DO AS I PLEASE?

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That sounds very un-American. Are you sure you are not a Russian troll? -SECOND

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Can you prove you are a Californian who voted in the most recent election?- SECOND

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

2) I've got endless chafing from you and others here for my POV, INCLUDING the libel of being a Russian troll, which you repeat again right here! What, you're going to beat me over the head until I please YOU??? Are you sure YOU'RE American? Can't stand/ don't like free speech? Sounds pretty Russian to me!

I can prove I'm a Californian. But I'll save that for court.

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Can you prove you are a Californian who voted in the most recent election?- SECOND

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I can prove I'm a Californian. But I'll save that for court.

Of course, NOBODY can "prove" that they voted in any particular election since the vote is supposed to be by "secret ballot"

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Federal election documents don't have to be kept longer than 22 months ...

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ICE Deports 256,000 Aliens in FY18, but 560,000 Fugitives Remain
By Charlotte Cuthbertson


WASHINGTON— Representing a 13 percent increase over last year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed more than 256,000 aliens to their home countries in fiscal 2018, according to a report published on Dec. 14.

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"No Wall In Any Form": Govt Shutdown Odds Explode Amid Trump-Schumer Standoff

With a potential government shutdown just days away, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (NY) dug in on Sunday, telling Meet The Press that President Trump is "not going to get the wall in any form."

Last Tuesday Trump, Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) clashed over Trump's $5 billion demand for border wall funding in an awkwardly televised argument in the Oval Office, prompting Schumer to later declare on the Senate Floor: "I want to be crystal clear. There will be no additional appropriations to pay for the border wall. It’s done."

The New York Democrat echoed his comments on Meet The Press Sunday, telling host Chuck Todd that Trump doesn't have the votes in the House or the Senate - saying that the president is having a "temper tantrum" over the wall.

"They do not have the votes to pass the president’s proposal — $5 billion or whatever it is for the wall," said Pelosi at a recent news conference. "So … if nothing is going to change in that regard, I don’t know why we just don’t proceed to keep government open so that people can be home for the holidays."

Meanwhile, the odds of a shutdown spiked to 58% on PredictIt, nearly double what it was 24 hours ago.

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