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Consider how bizarre the history of the 1940s would seem if America had attacked China in retaliation for Pearl Harbor.
Sunday, November 4, 2018 10:06 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:The circumstances surrounding our Iraq War demonstrate this, certainly ranking it among the strangest military conflicts of modern times. The 2001 attacks in America were quickly ascribed to the radical Islamists of al-Qaeda, whose bitterest enemy in the Middle East had always been Saddam Hussein’s secular Baathist regime in Iraq. Yet through misleading public statements, false press leaks, and even forged evidence such as the “yellowcake” documents, the Bush administration and its neoconservative allies utilized the compliant American media to persuade our citizens that Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs posed a deadly national threat and required elimination by war and invasion. Indeed, for several years national polls showed that a large majority of conservatives and Republicans actually believed that Saddam was the mastermind behind 9/11 and the Iraq War was being fought as retribution. Consider how bizarre the history of the 1940s would seem if America had attacked China in retaliation for Pearl Harbor. ... Prominent journalists across the liberal and conservative spectrum eagerly published the most ridiculous lies and distortions passed on to them by anonymous sources, and stampeded Congress down the path to war. The result was what my late friend Lt. Gen. Bill Odom rightly called the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history.” American forces suffered tens of thousands of needless deaths and injuries, while our country took a huge step toward national bankruptcy. Economics Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz and others have estimated that with interest the total long-term cost of our two recent wars may reach as high as $5 or $6 trillion, or as much as $50,000 per American household, mostly still unpaid. ... But no one involved in the debacle ultimately suffered any serious consequences, and most of the same prominent politicians and highly paid media figures who were responsible remain just as prominent and highly paid today. For most Americans, reality is whatever our media organs tell us, and since these have largely ignored the facts and adverse consequences of our wars in recent years, the American people have similarly forgotten. ... Author James Bovard has described our society as an “attention deficit democracy,” and the speed with which important events are forgotten once the media loses interest might surprise George Orwell.
Monday, November 5, 2018 9:57 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, November 5, 2018 11:02 AM
Monday, November 5, 2018 11:11 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: If the majority of voters were not easy to fool, they would have noticed Bush’s failure to find WMDs, they would not forgive him, and they would not reelect him. But if you expect the newspapers and politicians to do the majority voters’ thinking for them, you don’t know the newspaper business or politics.- SECOND
Monday, November 5, 2018 11:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: If the majority of voters were not easy to fool, they would have noticed Bush’s failure to find WMDs, they would not forgive him, and they would not reelect him. But if you expect the newspapers and politicians to do the majority voters’ thinking for them, you don’t know the newspaper business or politics.- SECOND And yet, when I tell people to look at a WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES and NOT TO TRUST ANY ONE OF THEM I'm called a "Russian troll". So, are you a "Russian troll" too, SECOND? "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Monday, November 5, 2018 1:23 PM
Quote: Most Americans I know are acting as if they have amnesia for all major events more than a month week day hour ago.
Quote:Signym, I remember what you wrote over many years. What you wrote Signym is who you are.
Monday, November 5, 2018 1:29 PM
REAVERFAN
Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:33 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, November 6, 2018 9:32 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM:And yet, when I tell people to look at a WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES and NOT TO TRUST ANY ONE OF THEM I'm called a "Russian troll".
Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And yet, when I tell people to look at a WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES and NOT TO TRUST ANY ONE OF THEM I'm called a "Russian troll".
Quote:Originally posted by GEEBERS: Sorry, hon, that ain't why! Especially funny coming from The Mouth of ZeroHedge - "WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES" my @ss.
Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 AM
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