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Monday, September 24, 2018 2:25 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: The perv weights in G and it's the women who is lying according to Jack. No surprise there. "Dr. Ford passed a lie detector test and asked for an FBI investigation," Cummings tweeted. "Will Judge Kavanaugh do the same?"
Quote:Originally posted by THG: The perv weights in G and it's the women who is lying according to Jack. No surprise there.
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:55 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Modern polygraf tests are 99.6% accurate. They shoud get Dan Ribakof (the guy hoo duz the tests for Steve Wilcos) on the case.
Quote: "Proponents will say the test is about 90 percent accurate. Critics will say it's about 70 percent accurate," said Frank Horvath of the American Polygraph Association. "Many people refer to polygraph tests as lie detector tests, and that's a bit of a misnomer. "There is no test that can detect lies. … The process in which the questions are asked and the sequence of the questions may affect how a person reacts," Horvath said. "Since the process is not perfect, that could lead to the possibility of error, and that's why there's problems when trying to get them in the courts."
Monday, September 24, 2018 3:26 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Crazy, angry delusional victims. This place has it's share. It would surprise me to find out our local trolls aren't complicit in harassing people online. T
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Crazy, angry delusional victims. This place has it's share. It would surprise me to find out our local trolls aren't complicit in harassing people online. T
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:06 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Not doing a proper investigation iz going to be another collosal mistake by the GoP. McConnel haz the power to push Kavenaugh thru So he will. Then wut do you think Ford will be forst to do? She will file a complaint in Maryland, wich haz no time limit on this kind uv crime. So the GoP will hav the distinction uv having a Supreme Court Justis under inditement for attemted rape. & likely more charjez will stem from the investigation. Evry time i see Grassleys stoopid smirking fase on TV my hand goez into slap mode. Pleez sumbudy slap him so i dont haf to! MaN, this smart fone typing iz a pain inthe ass.
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Crazy, angry delusional victims. This place has it's share. It would surprise me to find out our local trolls aren't complicit in harassing people online. T Spare me. You actively engage in harassing people online every day.
Monday, September 24, 2018 6:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I give everything 50/50. Always.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The fact that you are 100% convinced that it happened I find laughable, but not at all surprising.
Monday, September 24, 2018 8:22 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, September 24, 2018 8:43 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:From there I take into consideration the facts surrounding something. This reeks of a political hit job, especially since it came up right before he was going to be sworn in, and only weeks before the mid-term elections.
Quote:The likelyhood that this could ever be proven or disproven before the election is almost 0%.
Monday, September 24, 2018 9:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: My take, my argument is that this is too important to rush through. An investigation, as in the Thomas/Anita Hill case, would take a few days to a week. As delaying tactics go (I know you'll go there) this is mild compared to what the GOP did in Obama's final months of service. We had 8 justices for nearly a year that presided over cases. So, my question is: What's the rush? SGG
Monday, September 24, 2018 9:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: My take, my argument is that this is too important to rush through. An investigation, as in the Thomas/Anita Hill case, would take a few days to a week. As delaying tactics go (I know you'll go there) this is mild compared to what the GOP did in Obama's final months of service. We had 8 justices for nearly a year that presided over cases. So, my question is: What's the rush? SGGThe rush is that Republicans have a 31% chance of losing control of the Senate, and losing their chance to place Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court, after the 2018 election. I am fairly sure that the Democratic Senators, if in a majority, will force Trump to chose a "better" Justice for the Court. Better meaning that the Justice has not written that a President can't be indicted, can't be subpoenaed. Oh, "better" also means Trump cannot pardon himself and "better" means the Justice can explain how he paid for his multi-million dollar house and his gambling debts and a whole lot of other things Kavanaugh paid for with some unknown benefactor's money. Kavanaugh owes some mystery persons a debt that he could repay once he is on the Supreme Court. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=midterms-header The Many Mysteries of Brett Kavanaugh’s Finances. Who made the down payment on his house? How did he come up with $92,000 in country club fees? www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/the-many-mysteries-of-brett-kavanaughs-finances/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, September 24, 2018 10:36 AM
THG
Monday, September 24, 2018 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yeah Second, there's a lot of shady stuff that Kavanaugh has been associated with that Democrats have questions about. Of course, knowing the source, the person responsible for his nomination, it doesn't surprise me that questionable goings on surround him like a heavy fog in a storm. I would not put it past him that he's hiding his past so as to gain the high court seat. Trumpsters don't care one wit about such things and cry and moan that Dems are playing politics. Well now, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black! McConnell and the scumbag prince couldn't care less about normal regular order, but they do care about making themselves rich off the backs of regular folk. SGG
Monday, September 24, 2018 11:42 AM
REAVERFAN
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:39 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol You people are ridiculous. I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are.
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol You people are ridiculous. I'm glad that nobody in real life is as goofy as you are. Looks like their is going to be a third women coming forward. Oops...Michael Avenatti appears to be her lawyer. T
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:57 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:58 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 12:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: I think G is going to have a bone to pick with you Jack don't you? T
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: "Normies?"
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: "Normies?" The people who aren't being paid through taxpayer dollars to rip this country apart. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Fourth Kavanaugh Accuser Comes Forward, Is Speaking to Authorities in Maryland: Report The floodgates are opening. https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/brett-kavanaugh-fourth-accuser-maryland]
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:39 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The left made a mistake with this Ramirez story. It isn't just how embarrassingly flimsy it is; she was inebriated; took six days to find memories; everyone denies it. But it strongly suggests the Ford delay demands were about cooking this up. Destroys credibility all around.
Quote:The Times interviewed dozens to corroborate 2nd allegation against Kavanaugh and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ramirez told ex-classmates she couldn't be certain Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:44 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: One of the things I notice ... more than most people, I think ... is the timing of events and stories. The fact that these allegations only came up at the end of the formal hearing and are being strung out like a striptease makes me think that they're all being orchestrated by the Democratic Party. As it turns out, everyone at the party that Ford claims to have attended (she can't even remember the place or the year) denies that it ever took place. As far as the Ramirez story is concerned, everyone who was supposedly there denies it, too. Per the WSJ's Kimberly Strassel ...
Quote:The left made a mistake with this Ramirez story. It isn't just how embarrassingly flimsy it is; she was inebriated; took six days to find memories; everyone denies it. But it strongly suggests the Ford delay demands were about cooking this up. Destroys credibility all around. https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1044059108549156864
Quote: ... and Peter Baker from the NYT
Quote:The Times interviewed dozens to corroborate 2nd allegation against Kavanaugh and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ramirez told ex-classmates she couldn't be certain Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1044193688392486912
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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:54 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 1:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sig and kiki show they are as dumb as Jack. They're still trying to make the case this is anything other than what it is. That Kavanaugh is a creep and serial sex offender. Trolls will be trolls. T
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:00 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:01 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:07 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Because god forbid this be formally, officially investigated, to determine the facts based on evidence.
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Does anyone else think this if funny? I think this is funny. tick tock T
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:20 PM
Quote:I agree the timing is suspicious. But that's no reason to avoid a formal FBI investigation (assuming the FBI can be trusted to be apolitical). If an investigation concluded there was no corroborating evidence for ANY of these claims, it would help expose this effort as a democrat-orchestrated political lynching. If OTOH, the investigation found corroborating evidence, then Kavanaugh would be exposed as unfit. Either way, the truth would out, or at least more of it than there is now. - KIKI
Quote:That's something I've noticed about you and your fellow nut-jobs - you all seem to run from evidence like vampires run from sunlight.- KIKI
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:22 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 2:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sig your post concerning this topic is incredibly juvenile, hateful and childness in nature. Bravo troll... T
Monday, September 24, 2018 3:14 PM
Quote:The Decision Not to Call in the FBI Is Looking Worse and Worse When Christine Blasey Ford publicly alleged that the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school, the White House immediately rejected calls for an FBI investigation. It refused to treat Ford’s claim as a “vetting” issue and instead committed to a fully political defense of the nomination. This was a fateful mistake, which the Republican leadership seems poised to repeat now that more allegations against Kavanaugh have surfaced. Senator Chuck Grassley, the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has indicated that he will examine the new questions in the same fashion as the old, with an offer of closed-door interviews or a public hearing. The Republican rush to confirm Kavanaugh backfired. How can the White House counsel’s office prepare Kavanaugh for a defense without an independent examination of the facts? The White House has not reviewed in detail what Ford has to say, instead relying on the letter Ford wrote to Senator Dianne Feinstein and the short statements from the other witnesses she has identified. In the case of the new accuser, Deborah Ramirez, all anyone has for now is reporting in The New Yorker and other publications. If and when a Senate hearing actually takes place, it will be far less informative than it might have been. Granted, it will provide an opportunity for Kavanaugh, Ford, and perhaps other accusers to present their position publicly and allow senators to weigh their conflicting accounts. But a Senate hearing is not a forum for rigorous fact-finding. Lawmakers are not uniformly suited to the role of professional interrogators and, in the absence of an independent, baseline investigative record, they will stage what may turn out to be mostly a spectacle for television. It’s not terribly surprising that, in the absence of a thorough investigation, Kavanaugh’s allies have tried to fill the void, but these efforts have so far been calamitously counterproductive. I refer, of course, to Ed Whelan’s “mistaken identity” argument, which he outlined on Twitter. Whelan has since deleted the tweets, apologized, and taken a leave of absence from the Ethics and Public Policy Center, but the story won’t end there. At their first opportunity, Democratic senators will ask Kavanaugh what he knew of this badly misconceived and executed undercover operation. The magical-thinking defenses of Brett Kavanaugh Yet another consequence of the White House’s abandonment of the background investigative process is the possibility that even if Kavanaugh is confirmed, others will pursue what the FBI has not. There’s already been some discussion among Democrats of an impeachment proceeding if they regain control of the House. Others have suggested a referral in the Ford matter to Maryland criminal-enforcement authorities. The cost to the Supreme Court in either case is incalculable. An FBI investigation would not necessarily deter outraged Democrats or accusers from going in these directions, but the White House’s absolute refusal to authorize independent fact-finding has only fueled the demands for a credible resolution somewhere, now or later. The White House, Grassley, and other top Republicans may believe that by spurning standard background investigative procedures they’re avoiding a delay. Their top priority has been speed. But the consequences of not ordering an FBI investigation are worse than a postponement, and the accumulating mass of charges and denials may produce more delay than an expedited FBI review. Over the period that the White House and Judiciary Committee majority have been jousting over the terms and conditions of the public hearing, the FBI could have already done much of what needs to be done — such as conducting some if not all of the interviews of the individuals identified as potential eyewitnesses. The GOP response to the Kavanaugh allegations sends an unmistakable message to women. Sometimes the best politics is fully consistent with good government. With the emergence of new allegations, the White House could change course and order a high priority, fast-paced but responsible investigation, or once again push ahead, leaving the outstanding factual questions to the ceaseless war of words between the opposing camps. The latter route would be unfair to Ford and other women who may wish to be heard, but also disastrous for Kavanaugh, the White House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court. We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/the-fbi-isnt-investigating-the-kavanaugh-allegations/571147/
Monday, September 24, 2018 3:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: "Normies?" The people who aren't being paid through taxpayer dollars to rip this country apart. Do Right, Be Right. :)Nazis use that word to describe actual normal people.
Monday, September 24, 2018 3:21 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:27 PM
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:42 PM
Quote:My first post in this thread was dead on. - THUGR
Quote:I find the tactics that the Dems are using to delay and obstruct the process quite inventive, considering that they don't have the vote. Aside from the constant shouting from the gallery, the Dems have managed to ... Demand endless reams of paperwork from Kavanaugh's history in the Bush WH, Delay allegations of sexual misconduct until VERY late in the process, Then demand a public hearing, And then change their stance and demand a "full FBI investigation" as soon as a public hearing was acceded to. Now, I have no idea whether the allegations are true or false. (But if we were to follow THUGR's stance of letting Clinton's bygones be bygones, I suppose we could let this 30-year old allegation also be lost in the mists of history. Right?) But I'd be willing to bet SOME dollars that if you were to look into this professor's activities, you'd find her working with Democratic Senators in the past six months or so, working out the timing and tactics for maximum effect. BRAVO!
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:46 PM
Quote:FACT CHECK: Can The Senate Enlist The FBI To Reopen A Kavanaugh Investigation? ANSWER: The short answer - No.
Quote:The long answer: Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said on Wednesday that she thinks the committee must look into the allegations by Christine Blasey Ford, who says Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her three decades ago. Kavanaugh Accuser's Classmate: 'That It Happened Or Not, I Have No Idea' Politics Kavanaugh Accuser's Classmate: 'That It Happened Or Not, I Have No Idea' Specifically, Collins told a Maine radio station that she believes in the Senate's responsibility to vet nominees for high office. If it needs more support, it should have it, she said. "If we need additional help from the FBI, we could ask for it — the committee could ask for [it]," she said. Collins is an important player because she and a handful of other borderline senators could make the difference in the final vote on Kavanaugh in the Senate. But she doesn't belong to the Judiciary Committee. Even if she did, it doesn't have the authority to give an assignment to an executive branch agency such as the FBI. How might that have to work? Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, could ask President Trump to instruct the FBI to become involved. The bureau reports to him in the organizational structure of the government, and for these purposes acts as a kind of "contractor" for the White House, as former FBI assistant director Ron Hosko told NPR. "If the White House were to ask the FBI to reopen its file and go conduct the investigation, the FBI could do that," he said. "I think they could do it swiftly, effectively and report back within days." Politics Listen To The Interview With Ex-FBI Assistant Director Hosko That is what happened in 1991 when an attorney named Anita Hill brought allegations about sexual harassment against her former colleague Clarence Thomas, who was under consideration for a seat on the Supreme Court. Then-Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., asked then-President George H.W. Bush to involve the FBI in looking into Hill's accusations. Bush — a Republican who had nominated Thomas and wanted to confirm him — agreed. The FBI went to work questioning Hill and others, and ultimately the Judiciary Committee convened hearings at which she and Thomas appeared. Kavanaugh Allegations Recall 1991's Supreme Court Scandal, With Key Differences Politics Kavanaugh Allegations Recall 1991's Supreme Court Scandal, With Key Differences What has the FBI done so far? The FBI conducted a background check on Kavanaugh as part of the White House's review process of vetting him for the Supreme Court. Over the course of his career in the federal government, he's undergone a total of six background checks. Trump Says He Wants To Hear From Kavanaugh's Accuser Politics Trump Says He Wants To Hear From Kavanaugh's Accuser In July, Ford sent a letter to the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., in which she raised her allegations against Kavanaugh. Feinstein referred Ford's letter to the FBI on Sept. 12. The bureau then sent it to the White House to be added to Kavanaugh's background check file. White House counsel Don McGahn sent that updated file to the Judiciary committee the same day. Why did Feinstein wait so long? Why didn't any of this come up at Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing? That isn't clear. What Feinstein has said is that Ford asked her to keep the letter confidential. Then when a news report surfaced about the story, Feinstein said she decided to go public. Her colleagues and Republicans both have criticized her for the way she has handled this situation. So will Grassley ask Trump to bring the FBI back in now? So far he hasn't. Why not? Grassley says the right way to investigate Ford's case is with a hearing or an interview in which she tells her story and Kavanaugh then has the ability to respond. The Judiciary Committee reportedly also has volunteered to send investigators to Palo Alto, Calif., where Ford lives, to talk with her there outside the view of TV cameras. Anita Hill's Challenge To Clarence Thomas: A Tale Of 2 Lives And 3 Elections History Anita Hill's Challenge To Clarence Thomas: A Tale Of 2 Lives And 3 Elections What does Ford's camp say? Ford's lawyer, Deborah Katz, wrote to the Judiciary Committee that Ford would be willing to testify on "terms that are fair and which ensure her safety." All the same, Ford's "strong preference," Katz wrote, is for the committee to permit a "full investigation prior to her testimony." The text of Ford's letter was obtained by NPR; it was first reported on Thursday by The New York Times. A number of Democratic senators signed a letter to Trump on Thursday asking him to direct the FBI to investigate Ford's allegation. "We urge you to reconsider your decision and ask the FBI to take appropriate action in response to the claims that have been made, so that Judge Kavanaugh's nomination can be considered by the Senate in a manner that is both consistent with past practices and fair to the parties involved and the American people," the lawmakers wrote. The letter was signed by Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Kamala Harris of California, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, Doug Jones of Alabama, Tom Udall of New Mexico, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada. The Senate Judiciary Committee, meanwhile, used a thread on Twitter to detail the steps it is taking to investigate Ford's story.
Monday, September 24, 2018 4:47 PM
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Monday, September 24, 2018 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Soyboy can kiss my ass.
Monday, September 24, 2018 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Third Brett Kavanaugh Accuser to Go Public in Next 48 Hours, Lawyer Says Natasha Korecki will go public with more details of sexual misconduct accusations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in an on-camera interview within the next 48 hours. https://www.thewrap.com/third-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-to-go-public-in-next-48-hours-lawyer-michael-avenatti/
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